Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

No, they had done the 100th (which was 'Vegas' if I'm not mistaken). It was because all the fun things the SG1 cast got to do with the 200th ep that the cast were joking around about what they would be doing.
None of tptb told them it would never happen, even though they already knew it at the time.
But again, I only heard this through the con scuttlebutt... I never actually read it anywhere myself.

oh okay so i was going through the old posts from 2007 and i can believe i missed out on the live forum coverage of lifeline i guess i too busy re watching. cause for me that was the beginning of the end. I mean sure there were good episodes (Adrift, Lifeline, Reunion (which for some reason im considering along with First Strike like a 4-Part Episode) TMC, BMSR, The Kindred Parts 1 and 2) but other than that every episode was Okay.

[JamesKirk6179]

new to the site son got me hooked on atlantis so i decided to check out the forum he always on.

[Southern Red]

Elizabeth was captured in Lifeline, which was the second episode of Season 4. Larrin was introduced in Travelers, which was the fifth episode of Season 4. But supposedly according to Joe Mallozzi, "several weeks" passed between Lifeline and the next episode, Reunion, and no doubt a few more weeks may have passed between the end of Reunion, through Doppelganger, to the beginning of Travelers.

As for John "falling for" Larrin, I don't think he did. I think he was just playing the game to try to get the upper hand on Larrin in the situation he was in. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.



We have a saying here: In JoeF We Trust.

Considering all the women they hooked John up with in S2 right in front of Elizabeth, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they bring in a "love interest" shortly after she's gone. That's just the boys being the boys again. Since they never thought of Sparky in that way, they wouldn't worry about it later.

I was including the chemistry between Joe and Torri as part of that "three years of history" I mentioned earlier.

As for SGA continuing if Brad Wright and Rob Cooper stayed in... Maybe, maybe not. Brad and Rob were still technically showrunners at the time the decision was made to reduce Weir to recurring for Season 4, so some of the responsibility for that mess rightfully belongs on their shoulders. And from all accounts, it sounds like BW was apparently the one driving the decision to cancel SGA in favor of bringing in SGU.

This theory that BW and RCC would have made it so much better and given us Sparky doesn't make sense to me. These are the guys who conceived the whole concept of the show. They are the ones who cast Teyla as a "potential love interest" for John which was mostly her original purpose. Even though they handed the show over to JM and PM in the last two seasons they still stayed close and gave them notes on all the scripts. I doubt much was done without their approval. If you think RCC was the least bit leaning toward Sparky, just watch Doppelganger and you'll see where he was going. That ep was filmed first in S4 and was written before they found out RL was pregnant. IMHO it contains huge foreshadowing of where they planned for S4 to go. Thank the stars above that things changed.

Hm.. I doodled a picture of Elizabeth earlier and I actually feel like drawing some Sparky stuff now. Would it be weird if it was anime-ish style, though? I'm not amazing at drawing realistic people. D:



Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I'm REALLY bad with remembering what happened in lots of episodes, let a lone their titles. And I'll go with your explanation of the situation with Larrin.




That's awesome.



*supersqueal* Yay! I never get tired of seeing that.

Have fun on vacation!



Wow, I'm really in the dark about all the stuff that goes on with Stargate. xD So, Brad and Rob left the show for some reason? Sorry if that's way-old news.

Brad and Rob, like I said above, never really left. They stopped working on the show on a daily basis to do the SG-1 movies and develop SGU but were very much on top of things. Mallozzi's blog gave hints all along the way that they still had final say in a lot.

No, they had done the 100th (which was 'Vegas' if I'm not mistaken). It was because all the fun things the SG1 cast got to do with the 200th ep that the cast were joking around about what they would be doing.
None of tptb told them it would never happen, even though they already knew it at the time.
But again, I only heard this through the con scuttlebutt... I never actually read it anywhere myself.

EatG was the 100th to air. Vegas was the 100th that was filmed and that was after they wrapped EatG. According to the commentaries TPTB had known for months that the show was canceled but chose not to tell the cast. They were filming Brainstorm and I think Infection when the news was delivered. I know the main cast was split up at the time. So when EatG was filmed they all knew.

new to the site son got me hooked on atlantis so i decided to check out the forum he always on.

Welcome. If you love Sparky this is your place.

[KrisRussel]

new to the site son got me hooked on atlantis so i decided to check out the forum he always on.

Welcome! Grab a Mojito, join into the fun and stay away from the mints.

This theory that BW and RCC would have made it so much better and given us Sparky doesn't make sense to me. These are the guys who conceived the whole concept of the show. They are the ones who cast Teyla as a "potential love interest" for John which was mostly her original purpose. Even though they handed the show over to JM and PM in the last two seasons they still stayed close and gave them notes on all the scripts. I doubt much was done without their approval. If you think RCC was the least bit leaning toward Sparky, just watch Doppelganger and you'll see where he was going. That ep was filmed first in S4 and was written before they found out RL was pregnant. IMHO it contains huge foreshadowing of where they planned for S4 to go. Thank the stars above that things changed.

But then again, before they knew RL was pregnant, they were planning a storyline with Rodney and Katie becoming parents. Now that is something that I would have loved to see happening
Rodney trying to adjust to fatherhood
*giggles*
Would have been hilarious if you ask me...

EatG was the 100th to air. Vegas was the 100th that was filmed and that was after they wrapped EatG. According to the commentaries TPTB had known for months that the show was canceled but chose not to tell the cast. They were filming Brainstorm and I think Infection when the news was delivered. I know the main cast was split up at the time. So when EatG was filmed they all knew.

Knew Vegas had something to do with 100
And it doesn't really matter when the actors were told. What does matter is that tptb knew months before the actors did and that totally blows.
No wonder Joe (who's most outspoken about it) and the others are pissed off.

[Erin87]

Hm.. I doodled a picture of Elizabeth earlier and I actually feel like drawing some Sparky stuff now. Would it be weird if it was anime-ish style, though? I'm not amazing at drawing realistic people. D:

Definitely not weird. Can we see?

That's awesome.

Yup. It's even on our money.

Spoiler:

[pkprd869]

Hello folks. Well, I saw Houseboat for the first time yesterday. I don't know if it's a chick flick, but it has Carey Grant so I say no. The scene where Raquel Welch has pizza inspired this little diddy.

Spoiler:

Pizza War

John Sheppard, Elizabeth Weir, Teyla, Ronon, and Rodney McKay found themselves walking the streets of Colorado with some rare free time. The I.O.A. recalled them back to Earth after another Wraith attack on Atlantis. Once the usual brow-beating and bureaucratic nonsense ended, the group decided to unwind before heading back to Atlantis.

“So we’ve covered beer, football, and Ferris Wheels. Now for another Earth delicacy; pizza,” John Sheppard explained to Teyla and Ronon.

“What is pizza?” Teyla asked.

“Delicacy, hardly. It’s dough, cheese, tomato sauce, and some other stuff thrown together,” Rodney explained.

“Just long as it has meat,” Ronon grumbled in hunger.

“Don’t worry Ronon. Pizza is very filling,” Elizabeth stated.

The group of friends walked for another few minutes until they stopped in front of two buildings. One read “Malizzio’s Chicago Stuffed Pizza Pizzeria” above the door and the other had “Franco’s New York Pizza” in the window.

“What’s the difference between Chicago and New York pizza?” Ronon inquired with an air of indifference.

“Hm, well New York pizza is a thin crust, made with tomato sauce, and has a layer of cheese and ‘meat’ on top.” Rodney made the rabbit ear quotes to mock Ronon’s early comment about meat. “Chicago pizza is made inside out I guess you could say. The crust in thicker and flaky, there is a real thick layer of cheese and meat, and tomato sauce on top. Some people call it deep dish because it’s about two inches thick” Rodney finished his examination on pizza.

“So... which one is better?” Teyla asked trying to comprehend the intricacies of pizza making.

“I like them both. I guess we’ll just have to try each one,” the scientist in McKay came out.

“Where do we start?” irritation coming out in Ronon’s voice.

John and Elizabeth had been quiet during the pizza dissertation by Rodney. John gave Elizabeth a lop-sided grin and Elizabeth playfully raised her brow and grinned in response. John headed to “Franco’s” and Elizabeth went towards “Malizzio’s”

“What are you doing?” John shrugged in surprise at Elizabeth.
“Me? I’m going for the best pizza,” Elizabeth shot John a cocky look.

“Hey, I thought we had an understanding back there,” John’s voice took on a whiny tone as he returned to the rest of the group.

“I though so too” Elizabeth joined John, Telya, Ronon, and Rodney.

“You like that goofy Chicago pizza? Really...” John’s brow furrowed in disbelief.

“I wouldn’t call it ‘goofy’. Since it’s actual pizza,” Elizabeth crossed her arms to ready herself for the debate to come.

“You can’t even eat it with your hands. Pizza isn’t supposed to require a knife and fork,” John made hand motions to correspond with what he was saying.

“People eat with a knife and fork. Folding pizza, now that is strange. Do you see anyone fold say... french fries? Or maybe hotdogs? How about donuts?” Elizabeth countered.

“So. Everybody else makes pizza with the sauce on the bottom and the toppings on top. Because they’re called toppings,” John was becoming passionate about defending his pizza.

“If everybody else does it must be okay. Your pizza ‘trying to be one of the cool kids’? By stuffing the pizza you get more cheese and meat. That’s what makes it better,” Elizabeth matched John’s intensity over pizza.

“But you just said everybody uses a knife and fork for other food. So by that rationale, my New York pizza is better because it’s different,” John put on a cocky smirk believing he trapped Elizabeth.

“Nice try John Sheppard. The point of that part of the discussion was to show that folding pizza is pointless. There’s no need to fold french fries, hot dogs, and donuts,” Elizabeth tilted her head and raised her after seeing John’s smirk disappear.

“Hey, you’re not even from Chicago,” John fired.

“And you’re not from New York,” Elizabeth shot back.

The two tried to the other down until John decided to speak.

“Well... New York pizza is just better,” John put his hands on his hip and placed a triumphant smile on his face.

“Please. I know I win if you’re resorting to that sophomoric tactic,” Elizabeth laughed.

“Sophomoric?” John repeated while his face contorted in confused.

“Google it later,” Elizabeth tried to hide her giggles at John’s face. “How about we settle this. We’ll bring pizza for Ronon, Telya, and Rodney to try. Which ever one they like more wins,” Elizabeth felt satisfied she put John Sheppard in his place.

“Fine,” John agreed.

“Fine,” Elizabeth mimicked John.

Ronon, Teyla, and Rodney watched the John and Elizabeth go into their respective pizzerias. Seeing their bosses argue over something as trivial had the group stunned and quiet. Ronon finally broke the awkward silence.

“Did that remind anyone else of their parents?” Ronon asked. Rodney and Teyla looked and what another and nodded in agreement with their friend.

“Oh, look. An ‘Outback’. Let’s get some steak,” Rodney led the Teyla and Ronon away leaving John and Elizabeth to their pizza war.

[Erin87]

new to the site son got me hooked on atlantis so i decided to check out the forum he always on.

Hi!

Hello folks. Well, I saw Houseboat for the first time yesterday. I don't know if it's a chick flick, but it has Carey Grant so I say no. The scene where Raquel Welch has pizza inspired this little diddy.

Spoiler:

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Ha! I love that. Very funny. Love Ronon's line at the end.

[Southern Red]

Welcome! Grab a Mojito, join into the fun and stay away from the mints.



But then again, before they knew RL was pregnant, they were planning a storyline with Rodney and Katie becoming parents. Now that is something that I would have loved to see happening
Rodney trying to adjust to fatherhood
*giggles*
Would have been hilarious if you ask me...



Knew Vegas had something to do with 100
And it doesn't really matter when the actors were told. What does matter is that tptb knew months before the actors did and that totally blows.
No wonder Joe (who's most outspoken about it) and the others are pissed off.

Hello folks. Well, I saw Houseboat for the first time yesterday. I don't know if it's a chick flick, but it has Carey Grant so I say no. The scene where Raquel Welch has pizza inspired this little diddy.

Spoiler:

Pizza War

John Sheppard, Elizabeth Weir, Teyla, Ronon, and Rodney McKay found themselves walking the streets of Colorado with some rare free time. The I.O.A. recalled them back to Earth after another Wraith attack on Atlantis. Once the usual brow-beating and bureaucratic nonsense ended, the group decided to unwind before heading back to Atlantis.

“So we’ve covered beer, football, and Ferris Wheels. Now for another Earth delicacy; pizza,” John Sheppard explained to Teyla and Ronon.

“What is pizza?” Teyla asked.

“Delicacy, hardly. It’s dough, cheese, tomato sauce, and some other stuff thrown together,” Rodney explained.

“Just long as it has meat,” Ronon grumbled in hunger.

“Don’t worry Ronon. Pizza is very filling,” Elizabeth stated.

The group of friends walked for another few minutes until they stopped in front of two buildings. One read “Malizzio’s Chicago Stuffed Pizza Pizzeria” above the door and the other had “Franco’s New York Pizza” in the window.

“What’s the difference between Chicago and New York pizza?” Ronon inquired with an air of indifference.

“Hm, well New York pizza is a thin crust, made with tomato sauce, and has a layer of cheese and ‘meat’ on top.” Rodney made the rabbit ear quotes to mock Ronon’s early comment about meat. “Chicago pizza is made inside out I guess you could say. The crust in thicker and flaky, there is a real thick layer of cheese and meat, and tomato sauce on top. Some people call it deep dish because it’s about two inches thick” Rodney finished his examination on pizza.

“So... which one is better?” Teyla asked trying to comprehend the intricacies of pizza making.

“I like them both. I guess we’ll just have to try each one,” the scientist in McKay came out.

“Where do we start?” irritation coming out in Ronon’s voice.

John and Elizabeth had been quiet during the pizza dissertation by Rodney. John gave Elizabeth a lop-sided grin and Elizabeth playfully raised her brow and grinned in response. John headed to “Franco’s” and Elizabeth went towards “Malizzio’s”

“What are you doing?” John shrugged in surprise at Elizabeth.
“Me? I’m going for the best pizza,” Elizabeth shot John a cocky look.

“Hey, I thought we had an understanding back there,” John’s voice took on a whiny tone as he returned to the rest of the group.

“I though so too” Elizabeth joined John, Telya, Ronon, and Rodney.

“You like that goofy Chicago pizza? Really...” John’s brow furrowed in disbelief.

“I wouldn’t call it ‘goofy’. Since it’s actual pizza,” Elizabeth crossed her arms to ready herself for the debate to come.

“You can’t even eat it with your hands. Pizza isn’t supposed to require a knife and fork,” John made hand motions to correspond with what he was saying.

“People eat with a knife and fork. Folding pizza, now that is strange. Do you see anyone fold say... french fries? Or maybe hotdogs? How about donuts?” Elizabeth countered.

“So. Everybody else makes pizza with the sauce on the bottom and the toppings on top. Because they’re called toppings,” John was becoming passionate about defending his pizza.

“If everybody else does it must be okay. Your pizza ‘trying to be one of the cool kids’? By stuffing the pizza you get more cheese and meat. That’s what makes it better,” Elizabeth matched John’s intensity over pizza.

“But you just said everybody uses a knife and fork for other food. So by that rationale, my New York pizza is better because it’s different,” John put on a cocky smirk believing he trapped Elizabeth.

“Nice try John Sheppard. The point of that part of the discussion was to show that folding pizza is pointless. There’s no need to fold french fries, hot dogs, and donuts,” Elizabeth tilted her head and raised her after seeing John’s smirk disappear.

“Hey, you’re not even from Chicago,” John fired.

“And you’re not from New York,” Elizabeth shot back.

The two tried to the other down until John decided to speak.

“Well... New York pizza is just better,” John put his hands on his hip and placed a triumphant smile on his face.

“Please. I know I win if you’re resorting to that sophomoric tactic,” Elizabeth laughed.

“Sophomoric?” John repeated while his face contorted in confused.

“Google it later,” Elizabeth tried to hide her giggles at John’s face. “How about we settle this. We’ll bring pizza for Ronon, Telya, and Rodney to try. Which ever one they like more wins,” Elizabeth felt satisfied she put John Sheppard in his place.

“Fine,” John agreed.

“Fine,” Elizabeth mimicked John.

Ronon, Teyla, and Rodney watched the John and Elizabeth go into their respective pizzerias. Seeing their bosses argue over something as trivial had the group stunned and quiet. Ronon finally broke the awkward silence.

“Did that remind anyone else of their parents?” Ronon asked. Rodney and Teyla looked and what another and nodded in agreement with their friend.

“Oh, look. An ‘Outback’. Let’s get some steak,” Rodney led the Teyla and Ronon away leaving John and Elizabeth to their pizza war.

Your fic made my mouth water. Ummm, pizzzzaaaa! And I only eat thin pizza when I'm dieting. Sorry John. You are so totally wrong there is no word to describe how wrong you are.

[Eri13]

Have a good vacay, Anuna!

I don't know who is 'directly' to blame for the decision to deep-six Elizabeth, but I think we can all pretty much agree that the Show Runners all had to have a hand in it, because decisions like that aren't 'fly-by-night'. I blame them all, even if some were 'nicer' towards Weir/Sparky/Shepard. In the end, no one came out and said "I didn't agree with letting Elizabeth go" and until someone does, I weigh their guilt equally.

But I'm glad for the nuances of things that writers, directors and actors wove into her goodbye stuff, to allow us fans to salvage something positive (the impact of Elizabeth's loss on certain people) from a horrible situation.

[Southern Red]

Have a good vacay, Anuna!

I don't know who is 'directly' to blame for the decision to deep-six Elizabeth, but I think we can all pretty much agree that the Show Runners all had to have a hand in it, because decisions like that aren't 'fly-by-night'. I blame them all, even if some were 'nicer' towards Weir/Sparky/Shepard. In the end, no one came out and said "I didn't agree with letting Elizabeth go" and until someone does, I weigh their guilt equally.

But I'm glad for the nuances of things that writers, directors and actors wove into her goodbye stuff, to allow us fans to salvage something positive (the impact of Elizabeth's loss on certain people) from a horrible situation.

ITA and we wouldn't even have had the little mention of her after Lifeline except for JF. It makes you wonder how many battles he lost, if that tiny little victory was the only one he won. Didn't he say at a con that they had stopped listening to him long ago? And he also said he argued for more screen time for Ronon and Teyla. I guess that didn't work out so well.

[Scary Kitty]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Canon Monday! Well, not that canon is exactly 'happy' for us right now, but you get the idea...

Welcome to JamesKirk6179! Enjoy your stay, and don't mind what Kris says about the mints, they're fine.

pkprd869, your Pizza War fic was hilarious! Mmmm... pizza...

I wonder what other food-related rivalries John and Elizabeth might have... best hot dogs (Chicago vs. New York), best Philly cheese steak (Geno's vs. Pat's), best clam chowder (New England vs. Manhattan)... LOL!

Hm.. I doodled a picture of Elizabeth earlier and I actually feel like drawing some Sparky stuff now. Would it be weird if it was anime-ish style, though? I'm not amazing at drawing realistic people. D:

That's not weird at all! Like Kris said, there's quite a bit of anime-style SGA and Sparky artwork out there.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I'm REALLY bad with remembering what happened in lots of episodes, let a lone their titles. And I'll go with your explanation of the situation with Larrin.

Hee! Makes the most sense from a Sparky-centric worldview, so, hey, why not?

*grins* I love that picture. And it is Sparky, cause Phoebus must have known there was more going on between John and Liz for her to choose John.
Maybe it was only going on subconsciously, but she did see it. And she knew John would cave in if Elizabeth asked him to do this.
I read somewhere (don't remember where) that they claim Phoebus choose John because he was a worthy opponent.
Aren't we always told that Ronon and even Teyla are better fighters than John? So if she only choose John to have a worthy opponent, than why didn't she choose Ronon?
Just saying...

Word! There has to be something more to it!

I so don't get why reality is so freakishly popular...
Don't we get enough reality from life as it is?
Most reality shows are completely fake and scripted anyway (especially wrestling) and also why is there "sport" and "horror" on the SCIENCE-FICTION channel?
Sorry for the ramble... it's just something that's been making me *headdesk*-ing for a long time now...

I guess it's the 'watching a trainwreck' quality to reality TV that makes it popular with the uneducated masses that don't know any better. And yes, it's really, really irritating. There's nothing good to watch on TV anymore!

Considering all the women they hooked John up with in S2 right in front of Elizabeth, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they bring in a "love interest" shortly after she's gone. That's just the boys being the boys again. Since they never thought of Sparky in that way, they wouldn't worry about it later.

*snorts* Yep. Same old, same old.

This theory that BW and RCC would have made it so much better and given us Sparky doesn't make sense to me. These are the guys who conceived the whole concept of the show. They are the ones who cast Teyla as a "potential love interest" for John which was mostly her original purpose. Even though they handed the show over to JM and PM in the last two seasons they still stayed close and gave them notes on all the scripts. I doubt much was done without their approval. If you think RCC was the least bit leaning toward Sparky, just watch Doppelganger and you'll see where he was going. That ep was filmed first in S4 and was written before they found out RL was pregnant. IMHO it contains huge foreshadowing of where they planned for S4 to go. Thank the stars above that things changed.

Yeah, the 'BW & RCC are better' theory doesn't make sense to me either. They certainly made plenty of their own mistakes even before they handed over the reigns. Reconnecting Atlantis with Earth after only one season? Bringing back the Replicators after that storyline had already been played to death on SG-1? Made of fail!

EatG was the 100th to air. Vegas was the 100th that was filmed and that was after they wrapped EatG. According to the commentaries TPTB had known for months that the show was canceled but chose not to tell the cast. They were filming Brainstorm and I think Infection when the news was delivered. I know the main cast was split up at the time. So when EatG was filmed they all knew.

Knew Vegas had something to do with 100
And it doesn't really matter when the actors were told. What does matter is that tptb knew months before the actors did and that totally blows.
No wonder Joe (who's most outspoken about it) and the others are pissed off.

Very much like how TPTW waited until the last minute to dump the news on Torri's head that she was being fired. It's kinda sad, but I remember thinking at the time about what might happen the next time TPTW decided to dump someone from the cast... turns out they dumped everyone.

I don't know who is 'directly' to blame for the decision to deep-six Elizabeth, but I think we can all pretty much agree that the Show Runners all had to have a hand in it, because decisions like that aren't 'fly-by-night'. I blame them all, even if some were 'nicer' towards Weir/Sparky/Shepard. In the end, no one came out and said "I didn't agree with letting Elizabeth go" and until someone does, I weigh their guilt equally.

Exactly. And they'll probably never admit they screwed up, even if everything crashes and burns around their ears.

But I'm glad for the nuances of things that writers, directors and actors wove into her goodbye stuff, to allow us fans to salvage something positive (the impact of Elizabeth's loss on certain people) from a horrible situation.

Me too. And it's good fodder for fanfic!

ITA and we wouldn't even have had the little mention of her after Lifeline except for JF. It makes you wonder how many battles he lost, if that tiny little victory was the only one he won. Didn't he say at a con that they had stopped listening to him long ago? And he also said he argued for more screen time for Ronon and Teyla. I guess that didn't work out so well.

It certainly makes me wonder. And wish that JoeF had staged a coup'd'etat and taken over the front office as showrunner himself. With everything he's said publicly about the whole mess, I can't help but think Seasons 4 and 5 would've been far better off with him in charge.

[Probie]

has anyone seen this vid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IET6vOBnT0Q man its pretty dark or the video artist tried to make it dark.

Yes I saw this and I like it because of the vid and the song.

new to the site son got me hooked on atlantis so i decided to check out the forum he always on.

Welcome here!

Hello folks. Well, I saw Houseboat for the first time yesterday. I don't know if it's a chick flick, but it has Carey Grant so I say no. The scene where Raquel Welch has pizza inspired this little diddy.

Spoiler:

Pizza War

John Sheppard, Elizabeth Weir, Teyla, Ronon, and Rodney McKay found themselves walking the streets of Colorado with some rare free time. The I.O.A. recalled them back to Earth after another Wraith attack on Atlantis. Once the usual brow-beating and bureaucratic nonsense ended, the group decided to unwind before heading back to Atlantis.

“So we’ve covered beer, football, and Ferris Wheels. Now for another Earth delicacy; pizza,” John Sheppard explained to Teyla and Ronon.

“What is pizza?” Teyla asked.

“Delicacy, hardly. It’s dough, cheese, tomato sauce, and some other stuff thrown together,” Rodney explained.

“Just long as it has meat,” Ronon grumbled in hunger.

“Don’t worry Ronon. Pizza is very filling,” Elizabeth stated.

The group of friends walked for another few minutes until they stopped in front of two buildings. One read “Malizzio’s Chicago Stuffed Pizza Pizzeria” above the door and the other had “Franco’s New York Pizza” in the window.

“What’s the difference between Chicago and New York pizza?” Ronon inquired with an air of indifference.

“Hm, well New York pizza is a thin crust, made with tomato sauce, and has a layer of cheese and ‘meat’ on top.” Rodney made the rabbit ear quotes to mock Ronon’s early comment about meat. “Chicago pizza is made inside out I guess you could say. The crust in thicker and flaky, there is a real thick layer of cheese and meat, and tomato sauce on top. Some people call it deep dish because it’s about two inches thick” Rodney finished his examination on pizza.

“So... which one is better?” Teyla asked trying to comprehend the intricacies of pizza making.

“I like them both. I guess we’ll just have to try each one,” the scientist in McKay came out.

“Where do we start?” irritation coming out in Ronon’s voice.

John and Elizabeth had been quiet during the pizza dissertation by Rodney. John gave Elizabeth a lop-sided grin and Elizabeth playfully raised her brow and grinned in response. John headed to “Franco’s” and Elizabeth went towards “Malizzio’s”

“What are you doing?” John shrugged in surprise at Elizabeth.
“Me? I’m going for the best pizza,” Elizabeth shot John a cocky look.

“Hey, I thought we had an understanding back there,” John’s voice took on a whiny tone as he returned to the rest of the group.

“I though so too” Elizabeth joined John, Telya, Ronon, and Rodney.

“You like that goofy Chicago pizza? Really...” John’s brow furrowed in disbelief.

“I wouldn’t call it ‘goofy’. Since it’s actual pizza,” Elizabeth crossed her arms to ready herself for the debate to come.

“You can’t even eat it with your hands. Pizza isn’t supposed to require a knife and fork,” John made hand motions to correspond with what he was saying.

“People eat with a knife and fork. Folding pizza, now that is strange. Do you see anyone fold say... french fries? Or maybe hotdogs? How about donuts?” Elizabeth countered.

“So. Everybody else makes pizza with the sauce on the bottom and the toppings on top. Because they’re called toppings,” John was becoming passionate about defending his pizza.

“If everybody else does it must be okay. Your pizza ‘trying to be one of the cool kids’? By stuffing the pizza you get more cheese and meat. That’s what makes it better,” Elizabeth matched John’s intensity over pizza.

“But you just said everybody uses a knife and fork for other food. So by that rationale, my New York pizza is better because it’s different,” John put on a cocky smirk believing he trapped Elizabeth.

“Nice try John Sheppard. The point of that part of the discussion was to show that folding pizza is pointless. There’s no need to fold french fries, hot dogs, and donuts,” Elizabeth tilted her head and raised her after seeing John’s smirk disappear.

“Hey, you’re not even from Chicago,” John fired.

“And you’re not from New York,” Elizabeth shot back.

The two tried to the other down until John decided to speak.

“Well... New York pizza is just better,” John put his hands on his hip and placed a triumphant smile on his face.

“Please. I know I win if you’re resorting to that sophomoric tactic,” Elizabeth laughed.

“Sophomoric?” John repeated while his face contorted in confused.

“Google it later,” Elizabeth tried to hide her giggles at John’s face. “How about we settle this. We’ll bring pizza for Ronon, Telya, and Rodney to try. Which ever one they like more wins,” Elizabeth felt satisfied she put John Sheppard in his place.

“Fine,” John agreed.

“Fine,” Elizabeth mimicked John.

Ronon, Teyla, and Rodney watched the John and Elizabeth go into their respective pizzerias. Seeing their bosses argue over something as trivial had the group stunned and quiet. Ronon finally broke the awkward silence.

“Did that remind anyone else of their parents?” Ronon asked. Rodney and Teyla looked and what another and nodded in agreement with their friend.

“Oh, look. An ‘Outback’. Let’s get some steak,” Rodney led the Teyla and Ronon away leaving John and Elizabeth to their pizza war.

Excellent!

[Probie]

a new day, a new drawing (and not a report I know...lol)
I get bored at my job so I tried to improve myself. Here is a drawing of Elizabeth. I hope it looks like her. I could not do it properly because my boss would have killed me if he saw me and I have to work a "little". So I take 50min to do this in a small paper. Well I am a bit ashamed because my lines are not straight. I'll try to rework it and put colors. But tell me if it looks like her or if I must abandon forever the drawing. lol

Spoiler:

Let me your comments please.

I did a small drawing (just the head) of John and Sam and Elizabeth. I can't show you this because I laugh when I see what I did.lol

[Southern Red]

a new day, a new drawing (and not a report I know...lol)
I get bored at my job so I tried to improve myself. Here is a drawing of Elizabeth. I hope it looks like her. I could not do it properly because my boss would have killed me if he saw me and I have to work a "little". So I take 50min to do this in a small paper. Well I am a bit ashamed because my lines are not straight. I'll try to rework it and put colors. But tell me if it looks like her or if I must abandon forever the drawing. lol

Spoiler:

Let me your comments please.

I did a small drawing (just the head) of John and Sam and Elizabeth. I can't show you this because I laugh when I see what I did.lol

I think it looks very much like her. I would have known her anywhere.

Are you guys watching our post count?

[Janet Fraiser]

Snipped a few things for length, sorry! Also, SouthernRed, do you know if I'm allowed to snag a couple of the banners on the save Elizabeth Weir website? I noticed your name there, but I didn't know if the stuff made their was for public use. I'd love to use one for my signature.

*grins* I love that picture. And it is Sparky, cause Phoebus must have known there was more going on between John and Liz for her to choose John.
Maybe it was only going on subconsciously, but she did see it. And she knew John would cave in if Elizabeth asked him to do this.
I read somewhere (don't remember where) that they claim Phoebus choose John because he was a worthy opponent.
Aren't we always told that Ronon and even Teyla are better fighters than John? So if she only choose John to have a worthy opponent, than why didn't she choose Ronon?
Just saying...


Of course it's not weird... There's some Sparky anime already out there, so no worries about that. Sparky is Sparky no matter what style


I heard there were still talks and jokes about what would happen during the 200th episode and during the 6th season only days before the cast finally heard the show got axed. No wonder they were surprised.
I had that same situation on one of my previous jobs. Boss calls me in his office on a friday afternoon. "You don't have to come in on monday anymore."
I was completely baffled. Especially when I found out all my colleagues knew and yet during the day they were still making plans with me for next week.
I felt betrayed in a way, so I can totally relate with the SGA cast on being left in the dark and finding out as the last ones...
It sucks.

Oooh, I love that idea about Pheobus choosing John because he's her most worthy opponent. Doesn't all the passion you see on screen between John and Elizabeth show that off nicely?

Considering all the women they hooked John up with in S2 right in front of Elizabeth, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they bring in a "love interest" shortly after she's gone. That's just the boys being the boys again. Since they never thought of Sparky in that way, they wouldn't worry about it later.


This theory that BW and RCC would have made it so much better and given us Sparky doesn't make sense to me. These are the guys who conceived the whole concept of the show. They are the ones who cast Teyla as a "potential love interest" for John which was mostly her original purpose. Even though they handed the show over to JM and PM in the last two seasons they still stayed close and gave them notes on all the scripts. I doubt much was done without their approval. If you think RCC was the least bit leaning toward Sparky, just watch Doppelganger and you'll see where he was going. That ep was filmed first in S4 and was written before they found out RL was pregnant. IMHO it contains huge foreshadowing of where they planned for S4 to go. Thank the stars above that things changed.


Brad and Rob, like I said above, never really left. They stopped working on the show on a daily basis to do the SG-1 movies and develop SGU but were very much on top of things. Mallozzi's blog gave hints all along the way that they still had final say in a lot.


EatG was the 100th to air. Vegas was the 100th that was filmed and that was after they wrapped EatG. According to the commentaries TPTB had known for months that the show was canceled but chose not to tell the cast. They were filming Brainstorm and I think Infection when the news was delivered. I know the main cast was split up at the time. So when EatG was filmed they all knew.

Hm, I don't even remember what happened in Doppelganger, but now I'll check.

Ah, so since Brad and Rob never really left, I can still blame them for what happened with Sparky. And I never knew they were thinking of making Teyla as potential love interest for John. x_X IMHO, just kinda proves that they thought any woman John came into contact with would immediately fall for him and they could make a story around that. *cough* Larrin *cough* Sorry, these are just my not-very-in-depth ramblings...

But then again, before they knew RL was pregnant, they were planning a storyline with Rodney and Katie becoming parents. Now that is something that I would have loved to see happening
Rodney trying to adjust to fatherhood
*giggles*
Would have been hilarious if you ask me...

OMG, I would have loved to see that! Aw, I miss Katie.

Definitely not weird. Can we see?



Yup. It's even on our money.

Spoiler:

I'd love to post them, but my probie status keeps me from having an album. ):

Hello folks. Well, I saw Houseboat for the first time yesterday. I don't know if it's a chick flick, but it has Carey Grant so I say no. The scene where Raquel Welch has pizza inspired this little diddy.

Spoiler:

Pizza War

John Sheppard, Elizabeth Weir, Teyla, Ronon, and Rodney McKay found themselves walking the streets of Colorado with some rare free time. The I.O.A. recalled them back to Earth after another Wraith attack on Atlantis. Once the usual brow-beating and bureaucratic nonsense ended, the group decided to unwind before heading back to Atlantis.

“So we’ve covered beer, football, and Ferris Wheels. Now for another Earth delicacy; pizza,” John Sheppard explained to Teyla and Ronon.

“What is pizza?” Teyla asked.

“Delicacy, hardly. It’s dough, cheese, tomato sauce, and some other stuff thrown together,” Rodney explained.

“Just long as it has meat,” Ronon grumbled in hunger.

“Don’t worry Ronon. Pizza is very filling,” Elizabeth stated.

The group of friends walked for another few minutes until they stopped in front of two buildings. One read “Malizzio’s Chicago Stuffed Pizza Pizzeria” above the door and the other had “Franco’s New York Pizza” in the window.

“What’s the difference between Chicago and New York pizza?” Ronon inquired with an air of indifference.

“Hm, well New York pizza is a thin crust, made with tomato sauce, and has a layer of cheese and ‘meat’ on top.” Rodney made the rabbit ear quotes to mock Ronon’s early comment about meat. “Chicago pizza is made inside out I guess you could say. The crust in thicker and flaky, there is a real thick layer of cheese and meat, and tomato sauce on top. Some people call it deep dish because it’s about two inches thick” Rodney finished his examination on pizza.

“So... which one is better?” Teyla asked trying to comprehend the intricacies of pizza making.

“I like them both. I guess we’ll just have to try each one,” the scientist in McKay came out.

“Where do we start?” irritation coming out in Ronon’s voice.

John and Elizabeth had been quiet during the pizza dissertation by Rodney. John gave Elizabeth a lop-sided grin and Elizabeth playfully raised her brow and grinned in response. John headed to “Franco’s” and Elizabeth went towards “Malizzio’s”

“What are you doing?” John shrugged in surprise at Elizabeth.
“Me? I’m going for the best pizza,” Elizabeth shot John a cocky look.

“Hey, I thought we had an understanding back there,” John’s voice took on a whiny tone as he returned to the rest of the group.

“I though so too” Elizabeth joined John, Telya, Ronon, and Rodney.

“You like that goofy Chicago pizza? Really...” John’s brow furrowed in disbelief.

“I wouldn’t call it ‘goofy’. Since it’s actual pizza,” Elizabeth crossed her arms to ready herself for the debate to come.

“You can’t even eat it with your hands. Pizza isn’t supposed to require a knife and fork,” John made hand motions to correspond with what he was saying.

“People eat with a knife and fork. Folding pizza, now that is strange. Do you see anyone fold say... french fries? Or maybe hotdogs? How about donuts?” Elizabeth countered.

“So. Everybody else makes pizza with the sauce on the bottom and the toppings on top. Because they’re called toppings,” John was becoming passionate about defending his pizza.

“If everybody else does it must be okay. Your pizza ‘trying to be one of the cool kids’? By stuffing the pizza you get more cheese and meat. That’s what makes it better,” Elizabeth matched John’s intensity over pizza.

“But you just said everybody uses a knife and fork for other food. So by that rationale, my New York pizza is better because it’s different,” John put on a cocky smirk believing he trapped Elizabeth.

“Nice try John Sheppard. The point of that part of the discussion was to show that folding pizza is pointless. There’s no need to fold french fries, hot dogs, and donuts,” Elizabeth tilted her head and raised her after seeing John’s smirk disappear.

“Hey, you’re not even from Chicago,” John fired.

“And you’re not from New York,” Elizabeth shot back.

The two tried to the other down until John decided to speak.

“Well... New York pizza is just better,” John put his hands on his hip and placed a triumphant smile on his face.

“Please. I know I win if you’re resorting to that sophomoric tactic,” Elizabeth laughed.

“Sophomoric?” John repeated while his face contorted in confused.

“Google it later,” Elizabeth tried to hide her giggles at John’s face. “How about we settle this. We’ll bring pizza for Ronon, Telya, and Rodney to try. Which ever one they like more wins,” Elizabeth felt satisfied she put John Sheppard in his place.

“Fine,” John agreed.

“Fine,” Elizabeth mimicked John.

Ronon, Teyla, and Rodney watched the John and Elizabeth go into their respective pizzerias. Seeing their bosses argue over something as trivial had the group stunned and quiet. Ronon finally broke the awkward silence.

“Did that remind anyone else of their parents?” Ronon asked. Rodney and Teyla looked and what another and nodded in agreement with their friend.

“Oh, look. An ‘Outback’. Let’s get some steak,” Rodney led the Teyla and Ronon away leaving John and Elizabeth to their pizza war.

I love this! So funny! And Ronon's line at the end is the best.

new to the site son got me hooked on atlantis so i decided to check out the forum he always on.

Welcome! If you can't get enough Sparky, then this is the place for you.

a new day, a new drawing (and not a report I know...lol)
I get bored at my job so I tried to improve myself. Here is a drawing of Elizabeth. I hope it looks like her. I could not do it properly because my boss would have killed me if he saw me and I have to work a "little". So I take 50min to do this in a small paper. Well I am a bit ashamed because my lines are not straight. I'll try to rework it and put colors. But tell me if it looks like her or if I must abandon forever the drawing. lol

Spoiler:

http://forum.gateworld.net/picture.p...ictureid=16494

Let me your comments please.

I did a small drawing (just the head) of John and Sam and Elizabeth. I can't show you this because I laugh when I see what I did.lol

Aw, that looks a lot like her! You should finish the drawing. *nods*