Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Erin87]

Shweir...It just looks wrong! Sparky is just so much better

So much! Sparky is the king of ship names. Much better than Shweir, or, I heard this one once, Johnabeth. *shudders*

[Southern Red]

*dies laughing* I remember reading about the whole ShWeir debate in the early days... It was frikkin' hilarious

*double shudders* It sounds like something you hear at the gynecologist's office. And not in a good way.

Ooo, I bet. Where can I find that discussion? Sounds like a good read.

No it isn't. You're lucky you missed it. And it's still used occasionally in certain circles. But never by anyone who's too nice and innocent to bash another ship of course.

[Ncc-72452]

Ah, see that kind of thing is one of the reasons I never liked Friends. There are no free passes when you're married. There are only pretend celebrity BF's and GF's. My husband likes Claudia Black, but he doesn't have a screensaver of her that I know of. It's okay to joke around but not to really mean it. And personally, I think it's the ones who don't "pretend" that you have to watch. Ha. In other words, if I had to hide the fact that I find Joe/John attractive, there'd be reason to be concerned. Oh and another by the way, John is free game. Joe we should probably not objectify. Even though we are guilty as sin. Confused yet? Don't worry, you're a guy.

*falls out of computer chair after minor stroke*

*EMTs resuscitate*

Nah, just kidding. I agree with you about "no free passes." It's that whole "forsaking all others" clause during the wedding ceremony.

Oooh! Awesome. *goes to check*

My DVD player broke while me and grandparents were watching Conversion.

I think Ronon is their favourite, because of his hair. And I also smiled at Caldwell's "you two are very close, aren't you?" line. I forgot about that one.

Say, I was watching Conversion the other day and was struck by how Elizabeth walking John in his converted state seemed to so closely mirror John walking Elizabeth to the jumper in her converted state (in "Lifeline" or "Adrift," can't remember which). In both cases, the sick(?) individual was a danger, but both trusted the other enough to walk beside him/her. I kinda found it funny that John was walking inside the perimeter of guards that were guarding Elizabeth. Both scenes were very dark, John hidden in his "Jedi" robes, and Elizabeth clad in field gear while the lighting was dark. Both had a kinda fearful finality about them because if this didn't work, then the sick one would be lost forever (and one of them was). And in both cases, the pair joined up with the team.

Anyway, I just found it interesting...

[Southern Red]

*falls out of computer chair after minor stroke*

*EMTs resuscitate*

Nah, just kidding. I agree with you about "no free passes." It's that whole "forsaking all others" clause during the wedding ceremony.



Say, I was watching Conversion the other day and was struck by how Elizabeth walking John in his converted state seemed to so closely mirror John walking Elizabeth to the jumper in her converted state (in "Lifeline" or "Adrift," can't remember which). In both cases, the sick(?) individual was a danger, but both trusted the other enough to walk beside him/her. I kinda found it funny that John was walking inside the perimeter of guards that were guarding Elizabeth. Both scenes were very dark, John hidden in his "Jedi" robes, and Elizabeth clad in field gear while the lighting was dark. Both had a kinda fearful finality about them because if this didn't work, then the sick one would be lost forever (and one of them was). And in both cases, the pair joined up with the team.

Anyway, I just found it interesting...

I'm glad everybody was so amused by my little observation. Though I haven't heard from gateraid yet. Maybe he fell out laughing.

And your observation above is very good. I hadn't thought of that but there is a parallel as there are a lot of parallels between them.

[Ncc-72452]

I'm glad everybody was so amused by my little observation. Though I haven't heard from gateraid yet. Maybe he fell out laughing.

No, the EMTs are working on him now.

*peaks down*

I thought I saw a blip on his EEG... Ah well, he'll come around eventually.

And your observation above is very good. I hadn't thought of that but there is a parallel as there are a lot of parallels between them.

Oh, I know! I love how they used to mirror each others stances during scenes. They were also put into mirroring situations regarding Kolya. Once when Kolya had Elizabeth captive and the other when Kolya had John captive. I thought it was clever writing until... ya know... later.

[Southern Red]

No, the EMTs are working on him now.

*peaks down*

I thought I saw a blip on his EEG... Ah well, he'll come around eventually.



Oh, I know! I love how they used to mirror each others stances during scenes. They were also put into mirroring situations regarding Kolya. Once when Kolya had Elizabeth captive and the other when Kolya had John captive. I thought it was clever writing until... ya know... later.

Yeah me too. Even a blind hog can find an acorn once in awhile. As we here on the thread are fond of saying, at times they did a fairly good job writing Sparky unintentionally. It's probably best that they never did it on purpose.

[yunadax]

*falls out of computer chair after minor stroke*

*EMTs resuscitate*

Nah, just kidding. I agree with you about "no free passes." It's that whole "forsaking all others" clause during the wedding ceremony.



Say, I was watching Conversion the other day and was struck by how Elizabeth walking John in his converted state seemed to so closely mirror John walking Elizabeth to the jumper in her converted state (in "Lifeline" or "Adrift," can't remember which). In both cases, the sick(?) individual was a danger, but both trusted the other enough to walk beside him/her. I kinda found it funny that John was walking inside the perimeter of guards that were guarding Elizabeth. Both scenes were very dark, John hidden in his "Jedi" robes, and Elizabeth clad in field gear while the lighting was dark. Both had a kinda fearful finality about them because if this didn't work, then the sick one would be lost forever (and one of them was). And in both cases, the pair joined up with the team.

Anyway, I just found it interesting...

Interesting.. and so incredibly sad... ::: sniffs :: I'm gonna have to go home and watch a happy ep me thinks...

[Ncc-72452]

Yeah me too. Even a blind hog can find an acorn once in awhile. As we here on the thread are fond of saying, at times they did a fairly good job writing Sparky unintentionally. It's probably best that they never did it on purpose.

Look at McKeller. I laugh and laugh and laugh when I think that was intentional. It makes me really think that Sparky (Sparky, look at me all using the lingo) was born out of Joe and Torri, especially since Teyla was intended to be John's girl. Other shows (DS9) have picked up on ships that were never intended, but born out of how certain scenes were acted (Odo/Kira, never was a fan, but it was a very popular ship). It usually makes the show much more enjoyable to the fan base.

Interesting.. and so incredibly sad... ::: sniffs :: I'm gonna have to go home and watch a happy ep me thinks...

I watch "The Game" when I need a laugh. Maybe "Harmony" or "Hide and Seek."

[yunadax]

Irresistible is my 'happy' ep...I love it for its fluff

[Ncc-72452]

Irresistible is my 'happy' ep...I love it for its fluff

*reads*

*reads again*

*read a third time*

Irr... Irres... Irresistible???

*scratches head*

You are welcome to like it, but I found that episode deplorable. I don't think I've watched it since I bought the DVD set...

Still, watch... Be happy...

[Scary Kitty]

So much! Sparky is the king of ship names. Much better than Shweir, or, I heard this one once, Johnabeth. *shudders*

Johnabeth?!? *headdesk*

*pets the Weir yucky-face smilie 'cause she's cute*

*double shudders* It sounds like something you hear at the gynecologist's office. And not in a good way.

*triple shudders* Ewwwwww!!!!

No it isn't. You're lucky you missed it. And it's still used occasionally in certain circles. But never by anyone who's too nice and innocent to bash another ship of course.

*snickers*

[Scary Kitty]

Say, I was watching Conversion the other day and was struck by how Elizabeth walking John in his converted state seemed to so closely mirror John walking Elizabeth to the jumper in her converted state (in "Lifeline" or "Adrift," can't remember which). In both cases, the sick(?) individual was a danger, but both trusted the other enough to walk beside him/her. I kinda found it funny that John was walking inside the perimeter of guards that were guarding Elizabeth. Both scenes were very dark, John hidden in his "Jedi" robes, and Elizabeth clad in field gear while the lighting was dark. Both had a kinda fearful finality about them because if this didn't work, then the sick one would be lost forever (and one of them was). And in both cases, the pair joined up with the team.

Anyway, I just found it interesting...

That's a fabulous observation! I hadn't noticed it either, but it's just so perfect.

Oh, I know! I love how they used to mirror each others stances during scenes. They were also put into mirroring situations regarding Kolya. Once when Kolya had Elizabeth captive and the other when Kolya had John captive. I thought it was clever writing until... ya know... later.

Heh. Well, we've been saying for a while now that Kolya was a diehard Sparky shipper.

Yeah me too. Even a blind hog can find an acorn once in awhile. As we here on the thread are fond of saying, at times they did a fairly good job writing Sparky unintentionally. It's probably best that they never did it on purpose.

It would've been a disaster if they had. *shudders*

Look at McKeller. I laugh and laugh and laugh when I think that was intentional. It makes me really think that Sparky (Sparky, look at me all using the lingo) was born out of Joe and Torri, especially since Teyla was intended to be John's girl. Other shows (DS9) have picked up on ships that were never intended, but born out of how certain scenes were acted (Odo/Kira, never was a fan, but it was a very popular ship). It usually makes the show much more enjoyable to the fan base.

*nods* So much of Sparky has been due to JoeF and Torri taking the script they've been given and running with it. Especially Sparky in the post-Lifeline era; JoeF's performance has totally brought even non-shippers over to thinking that there was more going on between John and Elizabeth than friendship. And we've feasted on every tasty morsel.

[gateraid]

Ah, see that kind of thing is one of the reasons I never liked Friends. There are no free passes when you're married. There are only pretend celebrity BF's and GF's. My husband likes Claudia Black, but he doesn't have a screensaver of her that I know of. It's okay to joke around but not to really mean it. And personally, I think it's the ones who don't "pretend" that you have to watch. Ha. In other words, if I had to hide the fact that I find Joe/John attractive, there'd be reason to be concerned. Oh and another by the way, John is free game. Joe we should probably not objectify. Even though we are guilty as sin. Confused yet? Don't worry, you're a guy.



Beautiful work.

That wasn't the reason I went off Friends, it was probably the fact they dragged it out for two years too long, but I digress. I presume the whole point of the Friends list was that they were never going to run into those people. I don't need a list - there are no celebs in NZ (unless they're on holiday) and I'm not married, so no issue there.

I agree, you do have to watch the 'less open' people re that sort of stuff. You also have to watch open people too. I could tell you a story about our christmas do, but that is getting a bit too OT for here.

I get the John/Joe thing too. I feel like I know the characters of John Sheppard and Elizabeth Weir, but Joe and Torri are blank sheets to me (except for some of the stuff that has been said publicly, and I only believe about 25% of that). Looks are only part of the package although I have noticed you girls like looking at the package quite a bit

Spoilered coz s5, but she's

Spoiler:

Amelia Banks. She's a gate tech, and Ronons new babe. She's EarthTeyla with a little bit of Chuck2.0 (the gate tech, not that god awful spy show).

This description made me think of something. I presume it has already been discussed on the appropriate threads, but

Spoiler:

isn't this a HUGE character flaw for Ronon? His wife gets incinerated, then he falls for Keller, because she reminds him of her. He has a deep bond with Teyla, but for whatever reason they don't hook up, so he falls for another version of her

So much! Sparky is the king of ship names. Much better than Shweir, or, I heard this one once, Johnabeth. *shudders*

Johnabeth sounds like a transexual. I think they picked that name on purpose

*falls out of computer chair after minor stroke*

*EMTs resuscitate*

Nah, just kidding. I agree with you about "no free passes." It's that whole "forsaking all others" clause during the wedding ceremony.



Say, I was watching Conversion the other day and was struck by how Elizabeth walking John in his converted state seemed to so closely mirror John walking Elizabeth to the jumper in her converted state (in "Lifeline" or "Adrift," can't remember which). In both cases, the sick(?) individual was a danger, but both trusted the other enough to walk beside him/her. I kinda found it funny that John was walking inside the perimeter of guards that were guarding Elizabeth. Both scenes were very dark, John hidden in his "Jedi" robes, and Elizabeth clad in field gear while the lighting was dark. Both had a kinda fearful finality about them because if this didn't work, then the sick one would be lost forever (and one of them was). And in both cases, the pair joined up with the team.

Anyway, I just found it interesting...

I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're dead right, he does. Although the darkness of the corridor in Lifeline is literally due to poor lighting IMO

I'm glad everybody was so amused by my little observation. Though I haven't heard from gateraid yet. Maybe he fell out laughing.

And your observation above is very good. I hadn't thought of that but there is a parallel as there are a lot of parallels between them.

Hey, I posted that and then had to go to work. No resuscitation required But I actually do have a heart disorder (very minor - on their 1-6 scale, it's a 1)

[gateraid]

No, the EMTs are working on him now.

*peaks down*

I thought I saw a blip on his EEG... Ah well, he'll come around eventually.

My EEG was pretty regular last time I had one. I just had to work

ETA: I'm pesky and impossible to kill, just like Sparky. Unfortunately I am easy to maim, so I guess that's a bit of a trade off

Oh, I know! I love how they used to mirror each others stances during scenes. They were also put into mirroring situations regarding Kolya. Once when Kolya had Elizabeth captive and the other when Kolya had John captive. I thought it was clever writing until... ya know... later.

Not only that, they kinda mirrored each others actions. They didn't give in to Koyla, regardless of the consequences. John shot him, and Elizabeth (effectively) told Ronon to shoot him

[gateraid]

Considering my valentines day pic was so sad, I have this one. I cannot take the credit for it though

Spoiler:

:baby tje: Roses are red
Violets are blue
My nappy is full
I bet Rodney's is too