Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Originally posted by gateraid View Post
    Well, it's only marginally sparky (it harks back to s1)

    Spoiler:
    [ATTACH]7791[/ATTACH]
    Ooh, are you going on a date Elizabeth? Those.... errr, that shirt looks great on you


    [ATTACH]7790[/ATTACH]
    Okay, new rule, nobody gets to stare at them unless they've shot someone for me
    Heh... funny.
    sigpic
    Lovely Sparkiness! ~*~ My: Fanfics - Vids ~*~

    Comment


      Originally posted by Flowerbud View Post
      Trying to be facetious and failed!
      What does that mean?
      Non-native speaker here
      Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum

      Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1

      Comment


        Originally posted by gateraid View Post
        ^snippage

        General stereotype of a sci fi fan = comic book guy

        I'd argue that those shows aren't sci-fi shows per se, they're more like a blend of mainstream tv and supernatural/mystery/horror. Perhaps that's a reflection of how sci-fi itself has changed over the years.

        LOST, Dr Who, Supernatural appear (to me) to be written with women in mind. I've only watched Supernatural a couple of times, but if it were written for (straight) men, there wouldn't be random shots of the stars in their underwear. Or getting angsty over their girlfriends. Dr Who has spent years on the Dr/Rose ship, Lost is all about Kate/Sawyer/Jack. I've never even heard of Fringe, so cant comment there.

        I did watch Enterprise, but haven't followed the fandom of that show. Thats a good example of the shift from writing for comic book guy (s1/2) to a more character focused style (s3/4). S3/4 were panned, and the show was cancelled (I assume there was more to it than that, as there was to SGA's cancellation). I personally loved both halves, but I'm just weird. I did find them like two different shows though.
        I guess that's what I mean, about shows & the genre evolving. When I was writing the above I couldn't think of one show on nowadays that's been successful that's comparable to the Treks. Like, straight-up sci-fi sci-fi. I think the X-Files turned the genre on it's head and opened the door for the 'new sci-fi', which includes the shows above.

        As far as SPN is concerned, Kripke actually penned the show for bada$$ boys. Unfortunately, because of the leads it was glomped upon by girls galore. I think it was a little frustrating for him because he wanted to do a guys show that got picked up by a tween girls network. Poor Kripke--but good for us.

        LOST--no, LOST is NOT Kate/Sawyer/Jack. That's a portion of fans and mainstream media that make that up and push for it. LOST is the single most brilliant, crazy, amazing show I've seen in years. It is mental madness, the television equivalent of an M.C. Escher painting or a James Joyce novel. You absolutely have to be the type of person who enjoys that kind of stuff, though--if you don't go for the symbolism, the imagery, the connectivity, the coolness of the time-travel elements and the sci-fi nature of the show, you completely won't like it. You have to buy into the formula. As I'm an English geekboy fangirl at heart, I absolutely buy into and adore LOST. I mean, a show which brings up references to obscure, yet amazing pieces of literature every week? Trying to figure out what the meaning of a character named Rousseau or Jeremy Bentham is? *siiiiighhhhhhhh* I'm in geekgirl heaven.
        Visit SGArising.com to read our virtual continuation of the Atlantis series!

        Comment


          Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post
          What does that mean?
          Non-native speaker here
          It means being humorous or joking. It means not being serious. How do I explain my annoyance about Teyla. It is more against TPTW than Teyla. There's a patronizing quality in the manner they write Teyla. She's not a full human being, but the stereotype of a noble, non-white warrior. IMO, I see sexist and racist tinges to their writing of Teyla.

          Comment


            Originally posted by Flowerbud View Post
            It means being humorous or joking. It means not being serious. How do I explain my annoyance about Teyla. It is more against TPTW than Teyla. There's a patronizing quality in the manner they write Teyla. She's not a full human being, but the stereotype of a noble, non-white warrior. IMO, I see sexist and racist tinges to their writing of Teyla.
            And that's one of the many reasons why I've never been able to buy into a Sheppard/Teyla pairing; because the writing for it has always given me this creeping feeling of a 'civilized white man tames barbarian woman of color' thing. And that disgusts me.
            (This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
            Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.

            Comment


              Originally posted by gateraid View Post
              Well, it's only marginally sparky (it harks back to s1)

              Spoiler:
              [ATTACH]7791[/ATTACH]
              Ooh, are you going on a date Elizabeth? Those.... errr, that shirt looks great on you


              [ATTACH]7790[/ATTACH]
              Okay, new rule, nobody gets to stare at them unless they've shot someone for me
              LMAO! Oh, I needed that to give me a good laugh! Thanks, gateraid!
              (This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
              Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.

              Comment


                Originally posted by Flowerbud View Post
                It means being humorous or joking. It means not being serious. How do I explain my annoyance about Teyla. It is more against TPTW than Teyla. There's a patronizing quality in the manner they write Teyla. She's not a full human being, but the stereotype of a noble, non-white warrior. IMO, I see sexist and racist tinges to their writing of Teyla.
                Ah, thanks for the explanation.
                Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum

                Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1

                Comment


                  Originally posted by Eri13 View Post
                  LOST--no, LOST is NOT Kate/Sawyer/Jack. That's a portion of fans and mainstream media that make that up and push for it. LOST is the single most brilliant, crazy, amazing show I've seen in years. It is mental madness, the television equivalent of an M.C. Escher painting or a James Joyce novel. You absolutely have to be the type of person who enjoys that kind of stuff, though--if you don't go for the symbolism, the imagery, the connectivity, the coolness of the time-travel elements and the sci-fi nature of the show, you completely won't like it. You have to buy into the formula. As I'm an English geekboy fangirl at heart, I absolutely buy into and adore LOST. I mean, a show which brings up references to obscure, yet amazing pieces of literature every week? Trying to figure out what the meaning of a character named Rousseau or Jeremy Bentham is? *siiiiighhhhhhhh* I'm in geekgirl heaven.
                  I'm another huge Lost fan. It's some of the most brilliant and thrilling television on today. If I have time, I try to watch each episode for a second time to catch more of the details and nuances.

                  Comment


                    Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
                    And that's one of the many reasons why I've never been able to buy into a Sheppard/Teyla pairing; because the writing for it has always given me this creeping feeling of a 'civilized white man tames barbarian woman of color' thing. And that disgusts me.
                    I hadn't thought of that. That is disgusting.

                    Comment


                      Originally posted by Eri13 View Post
                      I guess that's what I mean, about shows & the genre evolving. When I was writing the above I couldn't think of one show on nowadays that's been successful that's comparable to the Treks. Like, straight-up sci-fi sci-fi. I think the X-Files turned the genre on it's head and opened the door for the 'new sci-fi', which includes the shows above.
                      Thats actually quite a perceptive comment. I did watch X-files on and off (mostly off in later years, but that was due to time slot issues). I wouldn't describe X-files as groundbreaking exactly, but it must've opened the eyes of networks and writers as to what they could achieve in a subtle way. On reflection, that show seems gender neutral to me. I don't recall it being overly macho, or girly. There was nothing gratuitous in it. And the ship was there if you chose to look for it, or easy to ignore.

                      As far as SPN is concerned, Kripke actually penned the show for bada$$ boys. Unfortunately, because of the leads it was glomped upon by girls galore. I think it was a little frustrating for him because he wanted to do a guys show that got picked up by a tween girls network. Poor Kripke--but good for us.
                      I'm probably not the best person to comment on it, as I've seen so little of it. But it struck me as a chicks show at the time.

                      LOST--no, LOST is NOT Kate/Sawyer/Jack. That's a portion of fans and mainstream media that make that up and push for it. LOST is the single most brilliant, crazy, amazing show I've seen in years. It is mental madness, the television equivalent of an M.C. Escher painting or a James Joyce novel. You absolutely have to be the type of person who enjoys that kind of stuff, though--if you don't go for the symbolism, the imagery, the connectivity, the coolness of the time-travel elements and the sci-fi nature of the show, you completely won't like it. You have to buy into the formula. As I'm an English geekboy fangirl at heart, I absolutely buy into and adore LOST. I mean, a show which brings up references to obscure, yet amazing pieces of literature every week? Trying to figure out what the meaning of a character named Rousseau or Jeremy Bentham is? *siiiiighhhhhhhh* I'm in geekgirl heaven.
                      Oh come ON!! Again, not the best person to comment. I watched all of s1, the majority of s2, then bits of s3. Nothing changed. And apparently they'd only been on the island for about 100 days - wtf?

                      I do however think it is a brilliant way of storytelling. Half of the ep is set in the present, the rest is backstory which ultimately has no relevance to what is happening in the present (it shapes it I guess, but generally there is only a tenuous connection). That's how you tell a story if you don't want to progress it or reveal too much - pure GENIUS!!

                      Ultimately I really don't care that much about the characters. But from what i did see, every time Kate gets disappointed by Jack, she turns to Sawyer to scratch her itch. Not the way to write a ship.

                      I did like Lost initially, I just got frustrated with its lack of progression. It's not a show that should be episodic, but that's what it struck me as. I assume that now they have decided when its end is (always best if the writers decided it rather than the higher ups) that will change somewhat. No doubt I will tune in again for the last few eps
                      sigpic

                      Comment


                        Originally posted by Erin87 View Post
                        Yay! Randomness, but I just got promoted! *happy dance* Heehee.
                        Congratulations And no prob on that other thing. So if you got to CMS at 100, does that mean I get to Captain at 1000, Major at 1500, Lt Col at 1750, Colonel at 2000? I looked it up in the FAQ's, but they don't seem to have updated it recently
                        sigpic

                        Comment


                          Originally posted by gateraid View Post
                          Thats actually quite a perceptive comment. I did watch X-files on and off (mostly off in later years, but that was due to time slot issues). I wouldn't describe X-files as groundbreaking exactly, but it must've opened the eyes of networks and writers as to what they could achieve in a subtle way. On reflection, that show seems gender neutral to me. I don't recall it being overly macho, or girly. There was nothing gratuitous in it. And the ship was there if you chose to look for it, or easy to ignore.
                          X-files switched gender stereotypes to a certain extent. Mulder was the emotional one who wants to believe desperately in order to regain his sister and Scully the cool, rational one who believed in science. I always got the sense that Mulder and Scully were equals.

                          Oh come ON!! Again, not the best person to comment. I watched all of s1, the majority of s2, then bits of s3. Nothing changed. And apparently they'd only been on the island for about 100 days - wtf?

                          I do however think it is a brilliant way of storytelling. Half of the ep is set in the present, the rest is backstory which ultimately has no relevance to what is happening in the present (it shapes it I guess, but generally there is only a tenuous connection). That's how you tell a story if you don't want to progress it or reveal too much - pure GENIUS!!

                          Ultimately I really don't care that much about the characters. But from what i did see, every time Kate gets disappointed by Jack, she turns to Sawyer to scratch her itch. Not the way to write a ship.

                          I did like Lost initially, I just got frustrated with its lack of progression. It's not a show that should be episodic, but that's what it struck me as. I assume that now they have decided when its end is (always best if the writers decided it rather than the higher ups) that will change somewhat. No doubt I will tune in again for the last few eps
                          It's much, much better this season. Not so frustrating, because the writers are giving answers and will have conclusions. It's been satisfying to watch so far. You many want to give it another try.

                          Spoiler:
                          The triangle is still ongoing, but I don't mind it. Kate will figure it out that it's really Sawyer she wants.

                          Comment


                            Originally posted by Eri13 View Post
                            I guess that's what I mean, about shows & the genre evolving. When I was writing the above I couldn't think of one show on nowadays that's been successful that's comparable to the Treks. Like, straight-up sci-fi sci-fi. I think the X-Files turned the genre on it's head and opened the door for the 'new sci-fi', which includes the shows above.

                            As far as SPN is concerned, Kripke actually penned the show for bada$$ boys. Unfortunately, because of the leads it was glomped upon by girls galore. I think it was a little frustrating for him because he wanted to do a guys show that got picked up by a tween girls network. Poor Kripke--but good for us.

                            LOST--no, LOST is NOT Kate/Sawyer/Jack. That's a portion of fans and mainstream media that make that up and push for it. LOST is the single most brilliant, crazy, amazing show I've seen in years. It is mental madness, the television equivalent of an M.C. Escher painting or a James Joyce novel. You absolutely have to be the type of person who enjoys that kind of stuff, though--if you don't go for the symbolism, the imagery, the connectivity, the coolness of the time-travel elements and the sci-fi nature of the show, you completely won't like it. You have to buy into the formula. As I'm an English geekboy fangirl at heart, I absolutely buy into and adore LOST. I mean, a show which brings up references to obscure, yet amazing pieces of literature every week? Trying to figure out what the meaning of a character named Rousseau or Jeremy Bentham is? *siiiiighhhhhhhh* I'm in geekgirl heaven.
                            Yeah, Lost is pretty great. You're watching it and it's like Ahh, what the heck is going on?! It's addicting - you have to keep watching in order to try and figure everything out and hope they drop some new crumb of info for you to ponder over. It's nice being forced to think about things.
                            sigpic
                            Lovely Sparkiness! ~*~ My: Fanfics - Vids ~*~

                            Comment


                              Originally posted by gateraid View Post
                              Congratulations And no prob on that other thing. So if you got to CMS at 100, does that mean I get to Captain at 1000, Major at 1500, Lt Col at 1750, Colonel at 2000? I looked it up in the FAQ's, but they don't seem to have updated it recently
                              Thanks!
                              *shrugs* I don't know. But it's something I'd like to know about too. It'd be nice to have something to go by.
                              sigpic
                              Lovely Sparkiness! ~*~ My: Fanfics - Vids ~*~

                              Comment


                                Originally posted by Flowerbud View Post
                                X-files switched gender stereotypes to a certain extent. Mulder was the emotional one who wants to believe desperately in order to regain his sister and Scully the cool, rational one who believed in science. I always got the sense that Mulder and Scully were equals.
                                Definitely equals. The thing that stopped me watching so much in later years (apart from the later timeslot) was that Scully seemed to switch from non-believer (or at least rationaliser) to believer overnight. That didn't make sense to me.


                                It's much, much better this season. Not so frustrating, because the writers are giving answers and will have conclusions. It's been satisfying to watch so far. You many want to give it another try.

                                Spoiler:
                                The triangle is still ongoing, but I don't mind it. Kate will figure it out that it's really Sawyer she wants.
                                I hope so. BSG proves you need an end plan (although I haven't seen past 4.5)

                                As for

                                Spoiler:
                                That's my thought too, but 'needs' and 'wants' aren't always the same thing




                                Edited to add:

                                I think the Mulder/Scully switching stereotypes comment is interesting.

                                Mulder is not 'macho' as such, but he is still a regular guy who is driven by what he believes. Scully is competent and professional, but not the usual, well, emotionally and socially shut off ***** that that usually entails on tv. Both of those roles proved at the time that it is/was possible to be (and write for) not-the-norm.

                                Whereas if the X-files were written now, Mulder would be emotionally crippled, cry at every life altering event, and knit in his spare time.

                                Scully would be uptight, have no knowledge of social interaction. She would however have a huge bust, and could have competed in America's Next Top Model if she desired. She hates how she is always judged by her looks, and not by, like, her ability.
                                Last edited by gateraid; 06 February 2009, 03:17 PM.
                                sigpic

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X