Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[LiliJ]

Jennifer Keller is not a character. She is a yo-yo with boobs.

Bah! How can you say that?! I actually really like her character. I loved her in Firefly, and I feel sorry for Jewel for having to replace Carson. Plus remember when she describes how hard she found it to fit in throughout her life in Quarantine? That's like so my life.

...not because I'm wierd or anything! I'm just so outgoing and too quirky for some people

[yunadax]

Made this today. Let me know if anyone wants to snurch!

Awwwwwwwwwww how sweet!

Evanescence is so great for quotes and music vids

[Eri13]

Eri, darling, did you get my e mail?

Heee, I'm glad you liked! Will you write? *winkwink*

I think I shall! I need to go over the drabble rules you attached (will do this weekend) and then I'll let you know.

[Erin87]

Elizabeth doesn't really fit into any of the stereotypical female roles in scifi. She's not the alien battle-babe, or a techno-geek, or an airheaded damsel-in-distress who looks like a supermodel. Instead, she's a strong-willed woman; physically attractive, but not unnaturally glamorous; with a sense of adventure and wonder, who uses her brain to achieve her goals, and uses words rather than guns or knives as her weapons. She is a woman who breathes power, and she has gained it through positive means, which is bound to be attractive to many young women.

And what segment of SciFi Channel's audience has grown the most in the past year? That's right. Women.

Ha! Too true! That's an excellent way to describe Elizabeth. It's her in a nutshell. And I definitely consider her a good role model.

Happy Birthday KrisRussel!!!!

Oooo, Happy Birthday!! *gives card full of Sparky money as present and throws in some cake for good measure*

*Pops in, waves enthusiastically*

Hello Sparkies! RL still too dang busy. I've been lurking, reading like mad, trying to catch up. Wish I could jump in on all the GREAT discussions you've been having lately, but my days are a blur.

I'll at least share some Sparky Love before I leave....

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I LOVE them!! 'Specially the second one.

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It's beautiful.

Yeah, what is up with that? Are they that afraid that they're gonna be beaten by a girl who writes better scripts than they do?

Oh wait... maybe they do have reason to be afraid. Because judging just from the fanfiction I've read that's been written by women, we've definitely coming up with better material than they have for years.

HA! I love it!

[Erin87]

Yay! Randomness, but I just got promoted! *happy dance* Heehee.

[Southern Red]

Yay! Randomness, but I just got promoted! *happy dance* Heehee.

Congrats. Hopefully you got a raise too.

[KrisRussel]

Oooo, Happy Birthday!! *gives card full of Sparky money as present and throws in some cake for good measure*

Thank you!!
*Tucks Sparky money away in a safe place*
And congrats on the promotion!!

[Erin87]

Congrats. Hopefully you got a raise too.

*laughs* Thanks!

Thank you!!
*Tucks Sparky money away in a safe place*
And congrats on the promotion!!

You're welcome!

And thanks!

[LiliJ]

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[KrisRussel]

Made another sig...

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/v.../cloudssig.jpg

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Oh, such a sad siggie

[Erin87]

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Very nice and very pretty, but sad!

[Torri012]

can someone give me a sparky-picspam-boost?
i wanna do a few sparky sigs but somehow i cant get into the bloody mood :cryz:

all i managed to do was: a sig with liz/simon and 2 with just shep on it :gasps:
and both are not very sparky-ish :crying out loud:

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[gateraid]

Happy Birthday KrisRussell!!!!

We're glad you found us. I've been here from the beginning almost. In fact I may be the last holdout from the old days. It hasn't always been easy to keep our spirits up but boy did it turn out better than I thought it would there for a moment. We have no reason to be depressed when we look at all the other ships. Except McKeller. *spits* Sparky is canon baby!

Sparky never dies huh? Perhaps you're right, what we got was better than what they could have attempted. I'd still prefer they attempted it though

Do you watch Bones? Now there's a strong woman. And a great ship.

No. I don't watch Bones, or NCIS (I prefer Bones out of the two though, by a country mile). Although out of the CSI/forensic type shows, Bones seems to be the best.

I'm a hard sell

I do remember one of the criticisms leveled at them was the lack of female, well, anything on the production staff. For some reason there is this perception that sci-fi fans haven't changed over the years. I still get the feeling that some production heads perceive us as the stereotypical geekboy who shouts "that was AWESOME" everytime something blows up on screen.

General stereotype of a sci fi fan = comic book guy

Sad, because I know more girls who are sci-fi fans than boys. Geekboy girls, perhaps, but girls. And I'm not talkin' about you fine gals and boys here, because this is a C&R thread, so I'd expect more girls than guys. I'm talking about conversations around the watercooler at my work. The average sci-fi fan is no longer the comic book generation. Big, blowsy special effects alone won't suffice. Unfortunately, not many in the sci-fi industry have caught on to this, which is why we still get craptastic shows along with the gems. But nowadays there are shows which are embracing the new generation--stuff like LOST, BSG, the new Dr. Who, Supernatural, Fringe. And while Sci-fi itself is still a genre that doesn't pull in a ton of mainstream viewers, so it'll still struggle overall, these new shows give the new sci-fi fan choices that will prevent them from being stuck with shows not truly geared to them.

I'd argue that those shows aren't sci-fi shows per se, they're more like a blend of mainstream tv and supernatural/mystery/horror. Perhaps that's a reflection of how sci-fi itself has changed over the years.

LOST, Dr Who, Supernatural appear (to me) to be written with women in mind. I've only watched Supernatural a couple of times, but if it were written for (straight) men, there wouldn't be random shots of the stars in their underwear. Or getting angsty over their girlfriends. Dr Who has spent years on the Dr/Rose ship, Lost is all about Kate/Sawyer/Jack. I've never even heard of Fringe, so cant comment there.

I did watch Enterprise, but haven't followed the fandom of that show. Thats a good example of the shift from writing for comic book guy (s1/2) to a more character focused style (s3/4). S3/4 were panned, and the show was cancelled (I assume there was more to it than that, as there was to SGA's cancellation). I personally loved both halves, but I'm just weird. I did find them like two different shows though

I think we have to remember that, though it's still a ratings earner, SGA is still a niche show, so it doesn't have the same standards for production that network shows would. I don't think MGM is policing things as strictly as ABC for LOST or CBS for CSI, etc. Sci-Fi doesn't earn the big bucks off of SGA viewers. Now, if someone went about spilling the beans on Wyvern, or Dragons 2001 or something...

A small niche. And by all accounts, a relatively stable fanbase. Lets face it, while ratings have gone up and down, there's still a solid group that still watch it, regardless of what happens. I assume that is what they are counting on for SGU. A cheaper to produce show is a much more suitable option for them

Jennifer Keller is not a character. She is a yo-yo with boobs.

Alternatively, you could take that to mean you can hit her with a mallet

Word. I hate that SciFi is still regarded as a 'boy's genre' and consists of young men and 40-year old boys who live in their mother's basement and speak Klingon. The lack of women on SGA staff -- especially the way JM and Co shrug it off that 'they have had women but they don't give them what they want' -- may have contributed to SGA's eventual demise.

BTW, one of my favourite episodes was cowritten by a woman, but whenever that happens they seem to disappear.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRIS!!!

I think its more of an issue that they dont have writers who have 'life experience' or have written for other shows, rather than female writers per se. If you haven't lived life, then you can't really write relatable characters eh?

Incidentally, what was your favourite ep?

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Love it. What ep is the shot of Torri in the middle from?

Bah! How can you say that?! I actually really like her character. I loved her in Firefly, and I feel sorry for Jewel for having to replace Carson. Plus remember when she describes how hard she found it to fit in throughout her life in Quarantine? That's like so my life.

...not because I'm wierd or anything! I'm just so outgoing and too quirky for some people

I don't exactly hate her, but every time she is on screen she manages to annoy me. I see her as wasted potential. For all that screentime, she could be written so much better. See above comment about life experience

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It's pretty. Just the word die seems a bit harsh in a sig

[gateraid]

Well, it's only marginally sparky (it harks back to s1)

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Ooh, are you going on a date Elizabeth? Those.... errr, that shirt looks great on you



Okay, new rule, nobody gets to stare at them unless they've shot someone for me

[Flowerbud]

Teyla is a lot more than just that. You just have to look harder for it, that's all. Or be willing to look harder.

Sorry. Trying to be facetious and failed!