Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Scary Kitty]

Good afternoon, Sparkies! It's fic rec time!

For this week's Angst&Drama!Day, I present:

Simpler Than a Miracle, by miera. An accident off-world leaves Elizabeth trapped, with time running out for Sheppard and his team to save her.

and

Entrapment, by Espiritu. What started out as an ordinary day in Atlantis turns into an emergency when John and Elizabeth are trapped in a remote part of the city.

Damn, what is it with me and collapsing buildings today?

Happy reading!

[yunadax]

Morning Sparkies!
I must admit I like my men clean shaven, although clean chested is a little.... overkill. As for Elizabeth 'appearing' older than John.. I think its more the mannerisms than the actual age that they are. Elizabeth was the boss at the start, and started to soften as the series went on, John was the young upstart flyboy who matured as the series went on. They complimented each other so perfectly when TPTB decided that it wasn't to be. Damn them!!!

On the topic of Torri getting more 'Mother' roles or being cast with older men, we have a cop show here in Aus called Rush!, and one of the lead characters is a 42yr old Inspector who kicks arse! It's great to see HERE is the website for the show.. the actress is Catherine McClements - who rocks

[Ruined_puzzle]

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Go Support Sparky. carson/teyla could use some help too. hee.

I already did I think we are going to lose this round. lol.

[yunadax]

we may loose- but we're gonna give it our darnest!

[Scary Kitty]

At least it was to Carson/Laura.

[Reiko]

At least it was to Carson/Laura.

I don't mind losing to Carson/Laura. What I do mind is how we lost and to who and I was kinda "GRRR." Now we are one behind, but luckily, we still have the option of making others falling behind too

People are dumping their pets because of the economy. It's on my TV now. This also makes me go GRR. No ones gonna kill you if you take them to the shelter

[Scary Kitty]

I don't mind losing to Carson/Laura. What I do mind is how we lost and to who and I was kinda "GRRR." Now we are one behind, but luckily, we still have the option of making others falling behind too

Yeah, that was a little annoying to see.

People are dumping their pets because of the economy. It's on my TV now. This also makes me go GRR. No ones gonna kill you if you take them to the shelter

And even so, they probably won't fare much better at the shelters because money's tight for them too.

[Reiko]

Yeah, that was a little annoying to see.

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And even so, they probably won't fare much better at the shelters because money's tight for them too.

True, that.

[cc_mac]

How do you feel about hairy chests? Just askin'. I'm not talking lice man on ER last week, just you know nicely furry.

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*iz mezmerized* *ahem* Well....guh....uh....what was the question?

Good afternoon, Sparkies! It's fic rec time!

For this week's Angst&Drama!Day, I present:

Simpler Than a Miracle, by miera. An accident off-world leaves Elizabeth trapped, with time running out for Sheppard and his team to save her.

and

Entrapment, by Espiritu. What started out as an ordinary day in Atlantis turns into an emergency when John and Elizabeth are trapped in a remote part of the city.

Damn, what is it with me and collapsing buildings today?

Happy reading!

Oh thank you, thank you, thank you!

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Go Support Sparky. carson/teyla could use some help too. hee.

As a multi-shipper....I have to abstain.

As for scruff, I like a little....no Grizzly Adams scruff and Epiphany Shep came veeeerrrrry close to that, but without going over for me....more Vegas Shep scruff is my preference.

[Ruined_puzzle]

I don't mind losing to Carson/Laura. What I do mind is how we lost and to who and I was kinda "GRRR." Now we are one behind, but luckily, we still have the option of making others falling behind too

People are dumping their pets because of the economy. It's on my TV now. This also makes me go GRR. No ones gonna kill you if you take them to the shelter

What made go GRRR was that I WAS THIS CLOSE to going and checking the game because I knew it was going to be a tie and yet I forgot about it.

[Scary Kitty]

What made go GRRR was that I WAS THIS CLOSE to going and checking the game because I knew it was going to be a tie and yet I forgot about it.

Whether it's politics, religion, or shipping, it's amazing what some people will do just to prove how intolerant they are of others' opinions.

I think Lizzie and Teyla need to lock them up in an empty room for a while and make them meditate.

[Scary Kitty]

Speaking of Teyla and Elizabeth and their friendship-that-we-never-saw-but-should-have, I found another fic that you might enjoy:

I Shall Believe, by Quezacolt. Teyla's thoughts on her friendship with Elizabeth, with significant mention of Sparky and briefly of Spanky.

Happy reading!

[Scary Kitty]

FX is showing Mr. & Mrs. Smith right now, and I've got a hankering to pop in my DVD with The Long Goodbye after it's over. Teehee!

[Lythisrose]

Morgana has posted a link to an interview by About.com's SciFi/Fantasy Guide with JM, who actually talks a fair amount about Sheppard and Wier.
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....73&postcount=1

[Scary Kitty]

Morgana has posted a link to an interview by About.com's SciFi/Fantasy Guide with JM, who actually talks a fair amount about Sheppard and Wier.
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....73&postcount=1

For those who don't want to go searching through all four pages, the relevant sections on Sheppard...

Spoiler:

It seems in the last few episodes you're trying to say something about Sheppard in particular, but it also seems the more you dig, the more of an enigma he is.

It has a lot to do with his backstory, and the fact that when we're first introduced to the guy, he's the Everyman -- he's the ground through with the first-timer experiences the adventures in this other galaxy. When we get to know him, he's sort of a loose cannon, he has a bit of a dark side. Over the course of the show's history we've cut this course of exploring what contributed to that darkness -- that he disobeyed orders to go back and rescue friends, there's a lot unresolved.

In season 4 we explore the relationship with his family and the fact that he's essentially ostracized from his family and that he's turned his back on the upbringing they offered him. We go into his marriage and the fact that the marriage fell apart because of the back-ops operations and the secrets he had to keep from her essentially wore away at the bond of their marriage, but they're on good terms, it's like a lost opportunity. I don't know if you know people like this, but there are people who are just generally unlucky people in life. The worst things happen to them and yet they manage to persevere and it's really what shapes them.

Over the course of the season we had a chance to scratch the surface -- not as much as we would have liked. But he's -- I wouldn't even call him an antihero, because he's in a class all by himself. It's something we focused on in "Remnants" [5x15], where Kolya apparently has captured him and is quizzing him, and then you discover that it's basically his own subconscious coming to terms with some of the decisions he's made -- that the reason he's so driven is events in his past where he just won't allow himself to give up on situations, on people. And sometimes, despite his best efforts -- particularly people he can't save, like Carson, like Dr. Weir -- those kinds of things weigh on him. There are things that he just can't let go.

Well, well, well. Isn't that interesting? It almost sounds like he's been reading our minds!

And on to Weir...

Spoiler:

What were your plans for Replicator Weir, had you been able to get Torri Higginson back for this season?

When we were first tossing it around, we wanted to open the door to having Weir be the leader of this "rebel group" of replicators. At the end of the episode they're jettisoned into space, and that's how we pretty much ended that story ["Be All My Sins Remember'd," 4x11]. At the least we wanted to leave the door open and potentially have them out there.

And one argument we had in the room was, this is the Replicator Weir, but what happened to the real Weir? In "This Mortal Coil" [4x10], the Replicator Weir tells Sheppard that her body was destroyed by Oberoth [following the events in "Lifeline," 4x02]. But you wonder -- was she telling the truth? Was Oberoth telling the truth? We had an internal debate in the room, and my thinking was, of course he didn't tell the truth. She was too valuable to him to kill.

And the rule in sci-fi is, if you don't have a body, they're still alive.

Exactly, exactly. He had to have put her on ice, to use later as a source of information or what have you. And the replicators were wiped out, so her body remains in stasis. And ultimately the storyline I would have liked to have pursued would be to have this rebel Weir and the replicators find the real Weir -- it would have been a race to recapture the body between our team and the replicator team, and ultimately how it would have turned out, I don't know.

I'll admit,

Spoiler:

I have to give Mallozzi credit for being smart enough to recognize that logically, the real Weir could still be alive, and how it could happen (damnit, I so called that Oberoth would want her kept around for his own nefarious purposes!), but I also have to ultimately withdraw that praise, for Mallozzi bowing to Mullie's bully pressure to kill her off.

On the other hand... the way that GitM ended does still leave open the possibility that the scenario Mallozzi has suggested could happen. It was never definitively answered whether or not Franibeth really was the REAL Elizabeth Weir, or just another duplicate with Weir's memories that believed that she was the real Weir. Those 'flashbacks' in GitM, of being turned into a full Replicator and thus 'killing' Weir's human body, could simply be false memories planted to make the duplicate think she was the real one... With the Replicators' ability to manipulate human minds, it would be all too easy for them to do it.

It's certainly an interesting idea, with Atlantis racing the rebel Replicators to find the real Elizabeth... but as we all know well, Mallozzi's recent track record for turning ideas that look interesting on paper into good, solid episodes is, well, not good. (Whispers, anyone? The snore-inducing Woolsey storyline in Remnants? And let's not forget the clusterfrak called Enemy at the Gate!) If Mallozzi could dump Mullie and team up with Carl Binder to develop this into a future movie idea with a decent and respectful resolution, I might just be interested... But I sure as hell am not going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen.