Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Anuna]

Did you ever see that TNG ep with (I don't know, probably some alien parasite or some such contrivance) the nightmare's of all the crew, when Bev dreams about going to see her husband's corpse? Patrick Stewart has this terrible combover toupe. The scene is meant to be scary but the toupe is so bad it makes Ronon's wig look like a work of art

Eh, that sounds so familiar - but, but, how could I forget that toupe?! LOL!

[gateraid]

Here's a link to a photo (it took me about twenty minutes to find it coz I couldn't remember what the name of the ep was, and an ep where the crew get taken over by something is surprisingly common ) from s6's Violations,http://www.startrek.com/startrek/med...68530&count=-1
but it doesn't look too bad from that angle. The front on version isn't too flash

[KrisRussel]

Here's a link to a photo (it took me about twenty minutes to find it coz I couldn't remember what the name of the ep was, and an ep where the crew get taken over by something is surprisingly common ) from s6's Violations,http://www.startrek.com/startrek/med...68530&count=-1
but it doesn't look too bad from that angle. The front on version isn't too flash

*giggles*
For some reason the first second I saw the pic I thought it was Jonathan Archer... weird...
Now I want to go see that episode again which for some reason I forgot all about... heck I'm a bad Trekkie

[Anuna]

*giggles*
For some reason the first second I saw the pic I thought it was Jonathan Archer... weird...
Now I want to go see that episode again which for some reason I forgot all about... heck I'm a bad Trekkie

ZOMG you're right. he does look a bit like Archer *ducks for tomatoes*

[KrisRussel]

You must have the super powerful version of the shipper goggles I never even considered that, but it is actually plausible

*shrugs* I just think I automatically try to give a sparky reason to everything... Like John being jealous of Teyla and Kanaan... He never showed he cared more for Teyla beyond a good friendship so why would he be jealous of her when she starts a family with another man? Simple answer for me: John is jealous because he can't have that with Elizabeth anymore...
But yeah, sometimes my sparky shipper goggles are way too powerful
Not that I mind
Some people think of s*x every 6 seconds... I think of Sparky every 6 seconds

And... T-minus 14 hours and 45 minutes to post-a-thon! The clock is ticking!

I hope I can make it, they're always so much fun! But I got another birthday party to attend tonight and I dunno at what time I'll be home. I should be ok for the second ep though... and if I'm home early, I'll do like last week and jump into the first ep...

[hopalong]

*yawns*

Well, that's it for me tonight, it's off to bed and Sparky dreams!

And... T-minus 14 hours and 45 minutes to post-a-thon! The clock is ticking!

Nighty-night, Sparkies!

Man, I haven't been here in a while. But I hope to be at this post-a-thon, so I need to confirm two things:

1. Same time? (I need to know if I need to be up before 8.30 as it generally starts 9am Sunday morning for me)

2. Which episodes are we up to?

[Southern Red]

*shrugs* I just think I automatically try to give a sparky reason to everything... Like John being jealous of Teyla and Kanaan... He never showed he cared more for Teyla beyond a good friendship so why would he be jealous of her when she starts a family with another man? Simple answer for me: John is jealous because he can't have that with Elizabeth anymore...
But yeah, sometimes my sparky shipper goggles are way too powerful
Not that I mind
Some people think of s*x every 6 seconds... I think of Sparky every 6 seconds



I hope I can make it, they're always so much fun! But I got another birthday party to attend tonight and I dunno at what time I'll be home. I should be ok for the second ep though... and if I'm home early, I'll do like last week and jump into the first ep...

6 seconds? What do you think about for the other 5?

Anyway, on the subject of John being jealous of Teyla. At least partly. After our recent discussion of actor motivation etc. I decided to rewatch The Rising with the commentary because it's JF and Martin Wood. Very interesting and getting to hear that dirty laugh of Joe's was worth it. Lots I had forgotten but one comment by JF confirmed what I said about what he was told his relationship with Teyla would be. MW said something about Teyla and John being possibly in a relationship and Joe said that it surprised him that a year later (meaning all of S1 had already aired) people were still asking him about his character's relationship with Teyla. He seemed very puzzled that it wasn't clear. Now I took that to mean he thought it was obvious and he assumed at some point they would get together on the show. So there you go. All of them, and I'm including actors, TPTB, directors, probably the crew just assumed everyone was on board with Sheyla. Maybe not the editors, heh.

Now this many years later, I wonder what he would say. I hope someone asks him at one of the cons he's doing. Even if we don't like the answer, I want to know if he always thought Sheyla would happen and why. I have always wanted someone to stand up and say, "You know Joe, many many people would rather John have had a romantic relationship with Elizabeth. You and Rachel don't have romantic chemistry on screen. Sorry. But you did with Torri. Why didn't they pursue it?" Who's brave out there? Anybody?

[Anuna]

6 seconds? What do you think about for the other 5?

Anyway, on the subject of John being jealous of Teyla. At least partly. After our recent discussion of actor motivation etc. I decided to rewatch The Rising with the commentary because it's JF and Martin Wood. Very interesting and getting to hear that dirty laugh of Joe's was worth it. Lots I had forgotten but one comment by JF confirmed what I said about what he was told his relationship with Teyla would be. MW said something about Teyla and John being possibly in a relationship and Joe said that it surprised him that a year later (meaning all of S1 had already aired) people were still asking him about his character's relationship with Teyla. He seemed very puzzled that it wasn't clear. Now I took that to mean he thought it was obvious and he assumed at some point they would get together on the show. So there you go. All of them, and I'm including actors, TPTB, directors, probably the crew just assumed everyone was on board with Sheyla. Maybe not the editors, heh.

Now this many years later, I wonder what he would say. I hope someone asks him at one of the cons he's doing. Even if we don't like the answer, I want to know if he always thought Sheyla would happen and why. I have always wanted someone to stand up and say, "You know Joe, many many people would rather John have had a romantic relationship with Elizabeth. You and Rachel don't have romantic chemistry on screen. Sorry. But you did with Torri. Why didn't they pursue it?" Who's brave out there? Anybody?

Wait, wait, wait.

Is this some sort of a weird IQ test?

You mean, it wasn't clear after ton of on screen chemistry between John and Elizabeth during the whole S1, even if it's just him standing next to her while she's sitting at the conference table, the Die Hard scenario in the middle of the season, how Teyla reacted at his siding with Elizabeth in "Suspicion", how Teyla reacted at his attitude in "Letter From Pegasus", "go to see the shrink, I'm your CO and that's an order" from The Gift; the whole Siege with the hug included... or was Bates actually trying to tell us something? (I wonder if Bates first name is Martin or perhaps Marty).

I'd love if someone asked Joe when exactly did he secretly changed his mind.

[Anuna]

Bit of a shameless pimping: the prompts for John Sheppard drabble a thon are up

Go, pick one, or more and write!

[Erin87]

Wait, wait, wait.

Is this some sort of a weird IQ test?

You mean, it wasn't clear after ton of on screen chemistry between John and Elizabeth during the whole S1, even if it's just him standing next to her while she's sitting at the conference table, the Die Hard scenario in the middle of the season, how Teyla reacted at his siding with Elizabeth in "Suspicion", how Teyla reacted at his attitude in "Letter From Pegasus", "go to see the shrink, I'm your CO and that's an order" from The Gift; the whole Siege with the hug included... or was Bates actually trying to tell us something? (I wonder if Bates first name is Martin or perhaps Marty).

I'd love if someone asked Joe when exactly did he secretly changed his mind.

Yep, agree with all that. They don't even have to say anything!
And I'd love to know the answer to that question too.

[Anuna]

Yep, agree with all that. They don't even have to say anything!
And I'd love to know the answer to that question too.

Perhaps he did exactly the opposite from what he was told since the very start, or TS/TE at least. We do know that Joe is smarter than he lets on.

The way he shaped Sheppard in regard to Elizabeth and loss of her is what matters. That's on screen. Sheyla turned out to be a - hallucination. Now if anyone wants to call me on this - go to the writers. They wrote it that way and ruined what was supposed to be clear as a day to anyone.

I'm beginning to wonder if Marty G secretly fanboys "Twilight".

[Southern Red]

Wait, wait, wait.

Is this some sort of a weird IQ test?

You mean, it wasn't clear after ton of on screen chemistry between John and Elizabeth during the whole S1, even if it's just him standing next to her while she's sitting at the conference table, the Die Hard scenario in the middle of the season, how Teyla reacted at his siding with Elizabeth in "Suspicion", how Teyla reacted at his attitude in "Letter From Pegasus", "go to see the shrink, I'm your CO and that's an order" from The Gift; the whole Siege with the hug included... or was Bates actually trying to tell us something? (I wonder if Bates first name is Martin or perhaps Marty).

I'd love if someone asked Joe when exactly did he secretly changed his mind.

*snort* I know. It's astonishing to me too. Must be a guy thing. But I know Joe at least doesn't necessarily sit and watch the finished product. I had forgotten also how technically tuned in he is and was reminded in this commentary. He's very interested in every aspect of filming, asked MW a lot of good questions about how things were done and I think will be a great director someday. A couple of times MW talked about how they had disagreed on how to play a scene and Joe's take on Sheppard was better than what the script indicated. At some point I think he lost a lot of clout. Maybe it had to do with his strong reaction at a certain point to cast changes.

Anyway, back to ship. I'd also like to know when he realized that plans regarding ship and his character had changed. I'm prepared not to like the answer because I think he'll say he and Elizabeth were just good friends but I've been wrong before. I imagine that watching yourself act is a lot like trying to edit your own writing. It's nearly impossible to see what a story actually says as opposed to what you meant it to say. That's why people I beta hate me so much. *grin*

Now discussion aside for a moment. I made 2 new wallpapers. The first one is from a new country song I just heard by Blake Shelton called "She Wouldn't Be Gone". And another excuse to use pics from Vegas.

The second was the result of a perfect storm of bunnies. I was listening to Abba and the two pictures I used were posted on the same day. Hope you like them. My husband has not withheld criticism of a annoying helpful sort, so I fiddled with them more than usual. Plus Photoshop is not my first language.

Spoiler:

[Anuna]

*snort* I know. It's astonishing to me too. Must be a guy thing. But I know Joe at least doesn't necessarily sit and watch the finished product. I had forgotten also how technically tuned in he is and was reminded in this commentary. He's very interested in every aspect of filming, asked MW a lot of good questions about how things were done and I think will be a great director someday. A couple of times MW talked about how they had disagreed on how to play a scene and Joe's take on Sheppard was better than what the script indicated. At some point I think he lost a lot of clout. Maybe it had to do with his strong reaction at a certain point to cast changes.

Anyway, back to ship. I'd also like to know when he realized that plans regarding ship and his character had changed. I'm prepared not to like the answer because I think he'll say he and Elizabeth were just good friends but I've been wrong before. I imagine that watching yourself act is a lot like trying to edit your own writing. It's nearly impossible to see what a story actually says as opposed to what you meant it to say. That's why people I beta hate me so much. *grin*

Now discussion aside for a moment. I made 2 new wallpapers. The first one is from a new country song I just heard by Blake Shelton called "She Wouldn't Be Gone". And another excuse to use pics from Vegas.

The second was the result of a perfect storm of bunnies. I was listening to Abba and the two pictures I used were posted on the same day. Hope you like them. My husband has not withheld criticism of a annoying helpful sort, so I fiddled with them more than usual. Plus Photoshop is not my first language.

Spoiler:

Heh, he (John) and Elizabeth were/are good friends. Loving someone requires friendship, so there. But don't forget that little interview to Stargate Magazine..... I think it was pretty clear he didn't mean Woolsey there, and Carter is taken, so.....

I love these new wallpapers, especially the Vegas one. I think you're improving with every new wallpaper you make, so keep going!

[gateraid]

*giggles*
For some reason the first second I saw the pic I thought it was Jonathan Archer... weird...
Now I want to go see that episode again which for some reason I forgot all about... heck I'm a bad Trekkie

I can't remember many of them - it was just the terrible combover that stood out, which isn't even obvious in that pic.

6 seconds? What do you think about for the other 5?

Anyway, on the subject of John being jealous of Teyla. At least partly. After our recent discussion of actor motivation etc. I decided to rewatch The Rising with the commentary because it's JF and Martin Wood. Very interesting and getting to hear that dirty laugh of Joe's was worth it. Lots I had forgotten but one comment by JF confirmed what I said about what he was told his relationship with Teyla would be. MW said something about Teyla and John being possibly in a relationship and Joe said that it surprised him that a year later (meaning all of S1 had already aired) people were still asking him about his character's relationship with Teyla. He seemed very puzzled that it wasn't clear. Now I took that to mean he thought it was obvious and he assumed at some point they would get together on the show. So there you go. All of them, and I'm including actors, TPTB, directors, probably the crew just assumed everyone was on board with Sheyla. Maybe not the editors, heh.

Now this many years later, I wonder what he would say. I hope someone asks him at one of the cons he's doing. Even if we don't like the answer, I want to know if he always thought Sheyla would happen and why. I have always wanted someone to stand up and say, "You know Joe, many many people would rather John have had a romantic relationship with Elizabeth. You and Rachel don't have romantic chemistry on screen. Sorry. But you did with Torri. Why didn't they pursue it?" Who's brave out there? Anybody?

*snort* I know. It's astonishing to me too. Must be a guy thing. But I know Joe at least doesn't necessarily sit and watch the finished product. I had forgotten also how technically tuned in he is and was reminded in this commentary. He's very interested in every aspect of filming, asked MW a lot of good questions about how things were done and I think will be a great director someday. A couple of times MW talked about how they had disagreed on how to play a scene and Joe's take on Sheppard was better than what the script indicated. At some point I think he lost a lot of clout. Maybe it had to do with his strong reaction at a certain point to cast changes.

Anyway, back to ship. I'd also like to know when he realized that plans regarding ship and his character had changed. I'm prepared not to like the answer because I think he'll say he and Elizabeth were just good friends but I've been wrong before. I imagine that watching yourself act is a lot like trying to edit your own writing. It's nearly impossible to see what a story actually says as opposed to what you meant it to say. That's why people I beta hate me so much. *grin*

I inferred at the time from that commentary that Sheyla was the long term plan. In the context of a bigger arc, one can view the teething problems in s1 as laying the foundation for a relationship (with shoddy materials, but I digress). It seems at some point they just forgot to keep writing for Sheyla. Maybe that's partly to do with the fact that Torri was the female lead, and Shep's boss, so naturally Weir/Shep were going to have many 'alone' scenes together.

One could say that the two-shots of Joe and Torri make them look so close because Torri is so much shorter than Joe, so he can stand over her rather than beside her (when the camera would have to be further back). But the same applies for Sheyla too. And that Shep and Weir having so many scenes together is because they are the leads, and co-leaders to boot. But Shep and Teyla are in the same team

Somewhere along the way with all their intended ship, then 'there is no ship', they got a bit lost. They should have publicly said 'no ship' but continued to write Sheyla. At least it wouldn't look contradictory if at some point they hooked up. At least they would have had an option in s4

The 'no ship' thing confused the issue IMO. It allowed the actors, directors and editors too much leeway with their scenes. Take the CDT commentary, with the 'so, do you think they did it after that' comment. There shouldn't have been room for that interpretation, yet it's right there on screen

Now discussion aside for a moment. I made 2 new wallpapers. The first one is from a new country song I just heard by Blake Shelton called "She Wouldn't Be Gone". And another excuse to use pics from Vegas.

The second was the result of a perfect storm of bunnies. I was listening to Abba and the two pictures I used were posted on the same day. Hope you like them. My husband has not withheld criticism of a annoying helpful sort, so I fiddled with them more than usual. Plus Photoshop is not my first language.

Spoiler:

Me likey the second one But you've always been more into Shep than I

[Erin87]

Heh, he (John) and Elizabeth were/are good friends. Loving someone requires friendship, so there. But don't forget that little interview to Stargate Magazine..... I think it was pretty clear he didn't mean Woolsey there, and Carter is taken, so.....

I know! Who else could he have meant? No one! I about choked when I read that interview the first time. Or screamed. Maybe both. If he hadn't said/done stuff like that before, I would have said that he was doing it just to torment fans, but I prefer to think of him as too nice for that. But whether he intended it or not, it still has that torment-y quality (woohoo, alright for making up a word there!) that makes me want to scream every time I read it. Because he had it! He had exactly the kind of situation he was talking about! Ahhh! *pulls on hair in frustration*