Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[gateraid]

I think a long long time ago when someone here got sides for the episodes, it said that John kicked her out. But it was changed/cut in the episode. Just like Elizabeth being offworld in The Tower.

ETA: I found it.

You certainly did. I see why they cut that - it changes the scene quite a bit. To be honest, I prefer that version (Elizabeth and all [with or without sparky]). It never made any sense that the bulk of the expedition stayed away from the closest thing they'd found to a fully functional version of Atlantis.

[gateraid]

No pics tonight. I had some ideas, but couldn't find suitable caps. Maybe tomorrow. I see Reiko has already provided a pearler

[KrisRussel]

You certainly did. I see why they cut that - it changes the scene quite a bit. To be honest, I prefer that version (Elizabeth and all [with or without sparky]). It never made any sense that the bulk of the expedition stayed away from the closest thing they'd found to a fully functional version of Atlantis.

It would have been fun to see Elizabeth try to negotiate for drones or something... That's actually what I missed throughout SGA. They have this awesome diplomat/negotiator and besides a handfull of times over the course of three years we never really see her use that skill... The best example of Elizabeth's awesome negotiating skills comes bubbling up in Siege when she negotiates for the nuclear weapons and her own freedom... Go Lizzie!
Like I said, it really is a shame we didn't get to see that more often...
And the writers claim they didn't have any more storylines for her *rolls eyes*

[Southern Red]

It would have been fun to see Elizabeth try to negotiate for drones or something... That's actually what I missed throughout SGA. They have this awesome diplomat/negotiator and besides a handfull of times over the course of three years we never really see her use that skill... The best example of Elizabeth's awesome negotiating skills comes bubbling up in Siege when she negotiates for the nuclear weapons and her own freedom... Go Lizzie!
Like I said, it really is a shame we didn't get to see that more often...
And the writers claim they didn't have any more storylines for her *rolls eyes*

I enjoyed The Tower discussion. I had the answer but RP beat me to it. I was furious with the way they portrayed John there and hated having to defend him to those that don't like him in the first place. I totally blamed TPTB. But if we'd never had moron Mara, we would never have had that delicious balcony scene at the end that was so very Sparky.

They were made of epic fail not letting Elizabeth go off world and negotiate more. They dropped that ball just like they dropped John's ATA gene story and the exploration of Atlantis.

[KrisRussel]

I enjoyed The Tower discussion. I had the answer but RP beat me to it. I was furious with the way they portrayed John there and hated having to defend him to those that don't like him in the first place. I totally blamed TPTB. But if we'd never had moron Mara, we would never have had that delicious balcony scene at the end that was so very Sparky.

They were made of epic fail not letting Elizabeth go off world and negotiate more. They dropped that ball just like they dropped John's ATA gene story and the exploration of Atlantis.

The only reason I ever watch that ep again is because of the very sparky final balcony scene I usually fast-forward (while rolling my eyes in annoyance) the bedroomscene.

Oh, they could have done so much with John's ATA-gene and the wonders that Atlantis held... *growls at writers* They seemed to forget about the awesomeness that is the city in the final two seasons... *growls again*

[Eri13]

I think this episode was the worse, though, for the number of guests in it. (There was Annoying Fangirl, Bald Guy and the Short British Guy) were all main guest stars.

Hmmm, and say, Epiphany on the other hand -- of the main guests I rather liked Teer and her little sister but only her brother (Soul Patch Dude) bugged me.

I did enjoy Teer as well. I felt like that pseudo-romance was at least believable.

Hey, no, I actually liked Harmony too. ^^ It's a fun-romp episode and just having the McShep duo worked though I wish Teyla/Ronon could have had some sort of side story with it.

I enjoyed Harmony as well (I did watch S4 through Midway). I actually really like Jodelle Ferland, so I was glad to see her. I even enjoyed the picture, I think because it was such a nice ironic twist to the end.

^snip

Well, I didn't go OMGWTFBBQMICE this time so I guess that counts as different. Not sexual at all

Sorry I snipped this down, but that has to be one of the best Sparky expressions I've come across.

I think a long long time ago when someone here got sides for the episodes, it said that John kicked her out. But it was changed/cut in the episode. Just like Elizabeth being offworld in The Tower.

ETA: I found it.

There you go Shepwh0re didn't sleep with Mora. TPTB probably just wanted it to be all vague, which is why they cut that line or maybe they didn't have enough time.

See. Stupid, stupid writers. The awesomeness that episode would have had had they gone with the original idea. I wonder if Torri just needed a break, which is why Elizabeth was cut out? In any case, that whole original scenario, with Elizabeth negotiating, at knife point, etc. and John's affirmation of not sleeping with Mara, would have shifted the Tower from one of my least favorite to one of my most favorite. Despite the nice balcony scene. I bet that would have been there anyway.

I enjoyed The Tower discussion. I had the answer but RP beat me to it. I was furious with the way they portrayed John there and hated having to defend him to those that don't like him in the first place. I totally blamed TPTB. But if we'd never had moron Mara, we would never have had that delicious balcony scene at the end that was so very Sparky.

They were made of epic fail not letting Elizabeth go off world and negotiate more. They dropped that ball just like they dropped John's ATA gene story and the exploration of Atlantis.

Agreed.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

i remember reading something on this forum about Joe F but it dealt with the Series finale i dont remember much about it but i do remember hearing his name. if im wrong please correct me.

[Anuna]

I've not heard that (it may well be correct, I'm often wrong ) I'd be surprised if it were true, as it would mess with Shep's 'teh man' image. Or at least the image they want you to infer.

But you all know (and I assume disagree with) my opinions on that ep, and that situation. Unless I actually saw a scene in which he turned her away, I wouldn't believe it. People have needs and itches. If someone so readily tries to scratch that itch, well, he is quite capable of taking it for what it is - meaningless sex. For all we know, he could've used a condom (it's not like she'd know what it was).

And you know what? Sometimes, when somebody comes on to you, it makes you realise you have feelings for someone else. See, there's still sparky in this scenario

Are you aware you're a mean, evil little plot bunny provider? Well, you and the rest of the bunch here. Now I so want to write an alternative version of The Tower, with John realizing certain things.

Also, while I'm very aware that lot of men would let their itch be scratched, I don't think that John is a kind of man who sleeps with a woman who comes to his room/tent, drops her dress, almost assaults him and informs him she's only there for the mad genes and babiez.

*snickers* Actually, I definitely agree with you that he certainly did seem rather eager, at least once he got over his initial surprise. But once Mara spilled the beans about wanting to bed him just to get a baby with his genes... instant cold shower!

Of course, in some cases, there just isn't enough time in a 44 minute (or whatever it is) episode to fit all those details in.

*cackles* OMG, it's like stealing the Enterprise in Star Trek III! That was some epic cloak-and-dagger stuff!

Hehe, what man wouldn't be at least flattered to see a good looking young thing do what Mara did? But being attracted to what you see, and actually doing something about it aren't the same thing, and most men (I know at least) have enough sanity / pride / whatever not to behave like mere animals, but use their head instead. I don't think John is a kind of guy who would knowingly knock up a woman, no matter how attractive, just because she wants his genes. He does have a personality too, despite what some people may say about him.

I think a long long time ago when someone here got sides for the episodes, it said that John kicked her out. But it was changed/cut in the episode. Just like Elizabeth being offworld in The Tower.

ETA: I found it.

There you go Shepwh0re didn't sleep with Mora. TPTB probably just wanted it to be all vague, which is why they cut that line or maybe they didn't have enough time.

Why are we still calling him Shepwh0re when apparently he isn't one? I think that, just because of this stupid episode and parts that were cut, John had received that awful reputation.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

i was just thinking they need to Promote Sheppard to Full Colonel. He deserves it.

[gateraid]

Are you aware you're a mean, evil little plot bunny provider? Well, you and the rest of the bunch here. Now I so want to write an alternative version of The Tower, with John realizing certain things.

Also, while I'm very aware that lot of men would let their itch be scratched, I don't think that John is a kind of man who sleeps with a woman who comes to his room/tent, drops her dress, almost assaults him and informs him she's only there for the mad genes and babiez.



Hehe, what man wouldn't be at least flattered to see a good looking young thing do what Mara did? But being attracted to what you see, and actually doing something about it aren't the same thing, and most men (I know at least) have enough sanity / pride / whatever not to behave like mere animals, but use their head instead. I don't think John is a kind of guy who would knowingly knock up a woman, no matter how attractive, just because she wants his genes. He does have a personality too, despite what some people may say about him.



Why are we still calling him Shepwh0re when apparently he isn't one? I think that, just because of this stupid episode and parts that were cut, John had received that awful reputation.

But that's precisely why they were cut. We are meant to infer that he slept with her. Whether or not he actually did is irrelevant in a sense.

I think both Sparky and Sheyla have a right to be pissed about this ep. After all, Elizabeth gets left out of what could have been a heavily sparky ep, and (shoe on other foot) Shep sleeps with someone merely a few hundred metres away from Teyla (and they never discuss it).

[gateraid]

ISorry I snipped this down, but that has to be one of the best Sparky expressions I've come across.

I only wish I had come up with it. Mental green to whomever did

See. Stupid, stupid writers. The awesomeness that episode would have had had they gone with the original idea. I wonder if Torri just needed a break, which is why Elizabeth was cut out? In any case, that whole original scenario, with Elizabeth negotiating, at knife point, etc. and John's affirmation of not sleeping with Mara, would have shifted the Tower from one of my least favorite to one of my most favorite. Despite the nice balcony scene. I bet that would have been there anyway.

Three cheers for the original scenario, jeers for what was on screen

Are you aware you're a mean, evil little plot bunny provider? Well, you and the rest of the bunch here. Now I so want to write an alternative version of The Tower, with John realizing certain things.

Evil is the new black

Why are we still calling him Shepwh0re when apparently he isn't one? I think that, just because of this stupid episode and parts that were cut, John had received that awful reputation.

See above. It's all smoke and mirrors

i was just thinking they need to Promote Sheppard to Full Colonel. He deserves it.

I doubt they will promote him - it'll turn him into 'the man', rather than 'the rebel'. But then again, he's probably due for it by now

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

look at Jack O'Neill. He's a general. He's the Man.

[KrisRussel]

i was just thinking they need to Promote Sheppard to Full Colonel. He deserves it.

I doubt it'll happen (even though he deserves it) because Elizabeth isn't there anymore to defend his promotion...

[Southern Red]

i was just thinking they need to Promote Sheppard to Full Colonel. He deserves it.

He's only been a Lt. Col for 4 years and is in what amounts to a war zone. Ain't gonna happen until he goes to the War College and/or flies a desk for awhile. I have a friend who is a Lt. Col in the Air Force. He flew for the branch of the Air Force that flies Air Force Two and assorted VIP's all over. When his 2 years were up he got sent to another base in a desk job then he was aide to a General at Central Command. Now he's training to fly tankers. They never leave you in one place or job very long. It's crazy I know but the way it works.

But in RL Shep never would have been promoted on Weir's word, or at all for that matter. There's also a test you have to pass almost like the college entrance exam. So movie magic takes a lot of license with reality.

Now I have to work on the Return II questions.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

wow i find out new things about the air force everyday. in rl sheppard would've have still been a major thats bummer.