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**LiliJ** · 21 January 2009, 08:03 AM

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**Southern Red** · 21 January 2009, 10:10 AM

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You are killing me. More please.

**Eri13** · 21 January 2009, 10:54 AM

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Um, awesome and I almost choked on my sandwich.

**Reiko** · 21 January 2009, 11:07 AM

Though I ship Teyla with someone else too I have thoroughly accepted Kanaan for the (fake!) season four and five, though I totally think it could have (and should have) been executed far better. Like Southern Red mentioned, they should have integrated him into more scenes and brought up more references instead of just the occaisional reference and saying "he's on the mainland". I can really see where people are getting this "invisible boyfriend" thing from, and it's all TPTB to blame. again.

But for stuff in season three and prior and the real stuff that comes after (because life is still better if I disregard the other stuff), I revert to my usual Carson/Teyla-ship and Sparky. (Though Sparky is in s4 and s5.)

For some reason, I've always thought that Sparky would be best if it stayed the way it is in s1-s3 (from a more objective point of view) -- where they obviously like each other so it's an UST fest -- and not have them actually get together until near the end of the series because you're building it up a lot along the way. While C/T I can see as something that actually happens in the middle of the series (act of actually getting together) and is continued as something to the end.

What do you guys think?

**justhere1971** · 21 January 2009, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Reiko View Post

Though I ship Teyla with someone else too I have thoroughly accepted Kanaan for the (fake!) season four and five, though I totally think it could have (and should have) been executed far better. Like Southern Red mentioned, they should have integrated him into more scenes and brought up more references instead of just the occaisional reference and saying "he's on the mainland". I can really see where people are getting this "invisible boyfriend" thing from, and it's all TPTB to blame. again.

But for stuff in season three and prior and the real stuff that comes after (because life is still better if I disregard the other stuff), I revert to my usual Carson/Teyla-ship and Sparky. (Though Sparky is in s4 and s5.)

For some reason, I've always thought that Sparky would be best if it stayed the way it is in s1-s3 (from a more objective point of view) -- where they obviously like each other so it's an UST fest -- and not have them actually get together until near the end of the series because you're building it up a lot along the way. While C/T I can see as something that actually happens in the middle of the series (act of actually getting together) and is continued as something to the end.

What do you guys think?

This is the best case scenario all around IMO. Sparky appealed to me so much because of the UST. I am not sure I would have been able to handle two years of full blown relationship on screen. Their banter, and the underlined attraction is what made me think. So having it resolved at the end of the series would be the best option for me.

You know I never shipped C/T, but sure why not? They have a gentleness about them that matches. You could take Kanaan away, and put Carson there. Then it would make sense for them to have an onscreen romance.

**Eri13** · 21 January 2009, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Reiko View Post

Though I ship Teyla with someone else too I have thoroughly accepted Kanaan for the (fake!) season four and five, though I totally think it could have (and should have) been executed far better. Like Southern Red mentioned, they should have integrated him into more scenes and brought up more references instead of just the occaisional reference and saying "he's on the mainland". I can really see where people are getting this "invisible boyfriend" thing from, and it's all TPTB to blame. again.

But for stuff in season three and prior and the real stuff that comes after (because life is still better if I disregard the other stuff), I revert to my usual Carson/Teyla-ship and Sparky. (Though Sparky is in s4 and s5.)

For some reason, I've always thought that Sparky would be best if it stayed the way it is in s1-s3 (from a more objective point of view) -- where they obviously like each other so it's an UST fest -- and not have them actually get together until near the end of the series because you're building it up a lot along the way. While C/T I can see as something that actually happens in the middle of the series (act of actually getting together) and is continued as something to the end.

What do you guys think?

I'd have to go back and watch more C/T moments to decide what type of relationship they'd have. I think they wouldn't run into the hang-ups of a John/Elizabeth (balancing out their leadership duties would be a huge factor on a could-they or couldn't-they get together scale).

I REALLY loved the relationship between them in Critical Mass. If Carson acted like that always, I could totally see it. He and Teyla had a gentle, strong relationship, much like Kate & Teyla. Sometimes the comedic side of Carson throws me off, though.

Originally posted by justhere1971 View Post

This is the best case scenario all around IMO. Sparky appealed to me so much because of the UST. I am not sure I would have been able to handle two years of full blown relationship on screen. Their banter, and the underlined attraction is what made me think. So having it resolved at the end of the series would be the best option for me.

You know I never shipped C/T, but sure why not? They have a gentleness about them that matches. You could take Kanaan away, and put Carson there. Then it would make sense for them to have an onscreen romance.

I agree...the UST was what was fun, and the friendship element. I love their mental connection, I could sink my teeth into it for a long time. And, for me personally, I love the acknowledgment of the start of a relationship between two intelligent characters, which lets the viewer/reader imagine all the stuff that comes after. Having to 'play it out' puts relationship problems in the hands of writers trying to write for ratings. Never a good idea.

**Southern Red** · 21 January 2009, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Reiko View Post

Though I ship Teyla with someone else too I have thoroughly accepted Kanaan for the (fake!) season four and five, though I totally think it could have (and should have) been executed far better. Like Southern Red mentioned, they should have integrated him into more scenes and brought up more references instead of just the occaisional reference and saying "he's on the mainland". I can really see where people are getting this "invisible boyfriend" thing from, and it's all TPTB to blame. again.

But for stuff in season three and prior and the real stuff that comes after (because life is still better if I disregard the other stuff), I revert to my usual Carson/Teyla-ship and Sparky. (Though Sparky is in s4 and s5.)

For some reason, I've always thought that Sparky would be best if it stayed the way it is in s1-s3 (from a more objective point of view) -- where they obviously like each other so it's an UST fest -- and not have them actually get together until near the end of the series because you're building it up a lot along the way. While C/T I can see as something that actually happens in the middle of the series (act of actually getting together) and is continued as something to the end.

What do you guys think?

Obviously the UST is what JF was hoping for. And yes, I agree. It would have been delicious to see things go along just like they were until the very end and then have them get together. Maybe just a real hug in the last ep and then get together for real in the movie. Wonderful. For UST to work they have to vary it, sometimes playful, then serious and for all of S1-3 they did a good job of that. Afterwards there was no where to go but angsty, and then thanks to JF it became even more obvious.

As for C/T, I never saw them as romantic but it would sure work. They seemed to genuinely like each other and worked very well together. It would play up the caring side of Teyla.

**LiliJ** · 21 January 2009, 12:17 PM

Ok, first, what's UST? (Is it something to do with S5...? Cos I haven't seen it yet...

)

And second - I would have loved to have got confirmation of sparky. With those two characters I can imagine this huge, tense, build up through the last season, with them being forced to reveal their feelings for each other in life or death situations, then a beautiful (feature-length

) final ep when they finally get together, after a LOT of drama, of course.

*sighs angstily*

God, that would have been so good! Why did Elizabeth have to go? Why?

Oh, and C/T I kinda saw from the beginning as a possibility. They have a lovely kindred-spiritedness about them...

**justhere1971** · 21 January 2009, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Eri13 View Post

I'd have to go back and watch more C/T moments to decide what type of relationship they'd have. I think they wouldn't run into the hang-ups of a John/Elizabeth (balancing out their leadership duties would be a huge factor on a could-they or couldn't-they get together scale).

I REALLY loved the relationship between them in Critical Mass. If Carson acted like that always, I could totally see it. He and Teyla had a gentle, strong relationship, much like Kate & Teyla. Sometimes the comedic side of Carson throws me off, though.

I agree...the UST was what was fun, and the friendship element. I love their mental connection, I could sink my teeth into it for a long time. And, for me personally, I love the acknowledgment of the start of a relationship between two intelligent characters, which lets the viewer/reader imagine all the stuff that comes after. Having to 'play it out' puts relationship problems in the hands of writers trying to write for ratings. Never a good idea.

This is what I love about them too! I remember thinking after the "that's not what you were going to say" comment that well could there be? It made me think. It was way too early I acknowledge that, but it made me adjust my glasses and think well what was he going to say? I loved the little flirty way Elizabeth turned, and John just kept looking her way. Just those little hints were enough to keep it going.

Originally posted by Southern Red View Post

Obviously the UST is what JF was hoping for. And yes, I agree. It would have been delicious to see things go along just like they were until the very end and then have them get together. Maybe just a real hug in the last ep and then get together for real in the movie. Wonderful. For UST to work they have to vary it, sometimes playful, then serious and for all of S1-3 they did a good job of that. Afterwards there was no where to go but angsty, and then thanks to JF it became even more obvious.

As for C/T, I never saw them as romantic but it would sure work. They seemed to genuinely like each other and worked very well together. It would play up the caring side of Teyla.

Exactly! It was just there, teasing us. Which is always fun. They made progress with those two from S1-S3. There was a natural build up that translated onscreen. Not always the flirt, but the trust, friendship and generally liking one another.

I think JF did a fabulous job of displaying angst on screen after E was gone.
What do you think S4 would have been like if they'd continued with how they were progressing their relationship? Do you think once Elizabeth recovered w/o the nanites, John would have to build up her trust in him once more? In essence FS was a little about trust being broken between them. The absolute faith. Which if they had the smarts to continue on with would have been fantastic to watch on screen.

**justhere1971** · 21 January 2009, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by LiliJ View Post

Ok, first, what's UST? (Is it something to do with S5...? Cos I haven't seen it yet...

)

And second - I would have loved to have got confirmation of sparky. With those two characters I can imagine this huge, tense, build up through the last season, with them being forced to reveal their feelings for each other in life or death situations, then a beautiful (feature-length ) final ep when they finally get together, after a LOT of drama, of course.

*sighs angstily*

God, that would have been so good! Why did Elizabeth have to go? Why?

Oh, and C/T I kinda saw from the beginning as a possibility. They have a lovely kindred-spiritedness about them...

UST = unsolved sexual tension. Don't you think that would have been fabulous to see in S4 & 5?

As for the scenario you mention? I'd love to see that. I thin of the days back to Kolya, and can imagine a situation like that times 100. *sigh* indeed.

**Ruined_puzzle** · 21 January 2009, 12:23 PM

Don't forget to vote for sparky. Round 26

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**LiliJ** · 21 January 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by justhere1971 View Post

UST = unsolved sexual tension. Don't you think that would have been fabulous to see in S4 & 5?

As for the scenario you mention? I'd love to see that. I thin of the days back to Kolya, and can imagine a situation like that times 100. *sigh* indeed.

*angst*

Stop, please stop! *sob, sob*

But it would have had to have been solved in the end though...

Hmmm... How many fanfic writers do we have in this thread? I think I feel a challenge coming on...

(Something like writing possible confirmation scenes/stories for Sparky.

)

**Scary Kitty** · 21 January 2009, 12:36 PM

Good afternoon, Sparkies!

gateraid, you're a madman! Keep those funny pics coming!

Originally posted by Southern Red View Post

The further they go the more I think that they are planning to follow the events in TLM.

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I've thought so for a while, as well.

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Originally posted by Southern Red View Post

Kanaan in Prodigal.

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I know if Teyla's situation and Elizabeth's were reversed we would be just as unaccepting as the Sheylas are. Simon is a fair example. We just kind of dismissed him, but they were involved for all of S1 and she was assuming they would continue to be. But the writing was still good in those days and they dispensed with him very clearly. RL's pregnancy obviously sent them into a tailspin and they ran around like chickens with their heads cut off for awhile before deciding what to do. I like the idea of Kanaan. They just could have explained him better. Though I guess technically Missing did that in their minds. Oh well, it's all good to me because I'm glad they went that way.

*snickering at the 'chickens with their heads cut off' line. So true.

But yeah, I like the idea of Kanaan, too. I just wish they'd done a better job with incorporating him into the story.

And that's a very good point about Simon. It was done well for being on the periphery, and at least that one was a clean break, with no lingering questions to muddy the waters.

Originally posted by Southern Red View Post

Though this time of year some of us would prefer Irish coffee.

Mmmm... Irish coffee... *licks lips*

Originally posted by Eri13 View Post

People are justified in being angry about Kanaan, although I personally like the principle of what he is--a tie back to the Athosians for Teyla and a chance to continue her people's heritage through her own children.

Me too. I wish we'd gotten to see more of Teyla and Kanaan together in that context.

**Ruined_puzzle** · 21 January 2009, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by justhere1971 View Post

I think JF did a fabulous job of displaying angst on screen after E was gone.
What do you think S4 would have been like if they'd continued with how they were progressing their relationship? Do you think once Elizabeth recovered w/o the nanites, John would have to build up her trust in him once more? In essence FS was a little about trust being broken between them. The absolute faith. Which if they had the smarts to continue on with would have been fantastic to watch on screen.

First Strike was very heavy on the Shep/Weir angst. Not so much because Elizabeth was injured but because of the trust issue. It seemed that all these feelings were coming to the surface and I wonder if Elizabeth had stayed on what would have happened. How tptb would have handled it. I think it's definite that there would have been a lot of angst even with Elizabeth being there. But see it would have been different angst, it would have been relationship angst.

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