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Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread
Wow. The discussions of the day have been amazing. Don't take my not commenting as meaning anything. It's just that I couldn't really add anything of substance (esp to Eri's suggestions for s4/5/6). So on the less substance note:
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Adrift
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is there anything we/i can do for you Elizabeth?
actually, they cut up all my clothes. Can you go to John's locker and get me another set of my underwear?
Home
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okay, not the best kiss I've ever had, but at least they didn't go down the female administrator/lesbian path.
Home
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It's okay to shag people under your command. It's more of a guideline than a hard and fast rule. I could tell you some stories. There was this Captain in Korea......
Walter! Thank goodness you're here. So good to see you. How's that open/close the iris thingee working out for you?
LFP
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John, when you sent that video to earth, what tape did you use? Because Ford hasn't been able to look me in the eye for days. I can't believe you would be so careless
Okay, point taken. But you might sound more believable if you weren't looking directly at my groin
The Gift
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I've been having these dreams. I end up looking like a blonde wraith female
:kate: Blonde woman in your dreams? Is she wearing white by chance?
well now that you mention it.....
Last edited by gateraid; 24 January 2009, 10:53 PM.
Wow. The discussions of the day have been amazing. Don't take my not commenting as meaning anything. It's just that I couldn't really add anything of substance (esp to Eri's suggestions for s4/5/6). So on the less substance note:
Spoiler:
Adrift
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[ATTACH]7641[/ATTACH] is there anything we/i can do for you Elizabeth?
[ATTACH]7643[/ATTACH] actually, they cut up all my clothes. Can you go to John's locker and get me another set of my underwear?
Home
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[ATTACH]7644[/ATTACH] okay, not the best kiss I've ever had, but at least they didn't go down the female administrator/lesbian path.
Home
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[ATTACH]7645[/ATTACH] It's okay to shag people under your command. It's more of a guideline than a hard and fast rule. I could tell you some stories. There was this Captain in Korea......
[ATTACH]7646[/ATTACH] Walter! Thank goodness you're here. So good to see you. How's that open/close the iris thingee working out for you?
LFP
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[ATTACH]7647[/ATTACH] John, when you sent that video to earth, what tape did you use? Because Ford hasn't been able to look me in the eye for days. I can't believe you would be so careless
[ATTACH]7648[/ATTACH] Okay, point taken. But you might sound more believable if you weren't looking directly at my groin
The Gift
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[ATTACH]7649[/ATTACH] I've been having these dreams. I end up looking like a blonde wraith female
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:kate: Blonde woman in your dreams? Is she wearing white by chance?
[ATTACH]7651[/ATTACH] well now that you mention it.....
*picks herself up from the floor*
I can tell you, I got some strange looks from my colleagues because I was laughing so hard
Thank heavens it's lunchbreak and I can laugh without holding back
Some of these are hilarious and almost all of them are amazingly well done! Scary! And it makes me realize how much I still have to learn in Photoshop
hi just wanted to pop in and introduce my self i am a big Elizabeth and John supporter and have been lurking for some time, but decided to de lurk and join you guys. Really enough reading your postathon and Scary kitty your off world Elizabeth fan fic was brillant. So a big hello and cuddles from scotland
I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years RCC admits that it was Sparky after all. He has high aspirations from reading his Q&A and the idea of a tragic love story subtlely embedded in SGA adds to his reputation. McKeller from what I've read of it sounds like how the dorky guy got an annoying girlfriend who just so happens to be played by an actress that the writers/producers find unaccountably superhot. There's no depth or substance to it. Vegas was RCC and JF's favorite episode, a chance to be a little more mainstream and get out of the sci-fi ghetto.
The further they go the more I think that they are planning to follow the events in TLM.
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We've even had a bit of foreshadowing from John with his uncertain looks around McKeller. He knows what happened in the future and it must be scary to watch it unfold and not be able to do anything. When they came up with the Hoffan disease and Jennifer continued to work on it, I suspected that they may be considering having her get it. The movie may very well involve that. Though I doubt they would kill her off now. They may focus on finding her a cure which of course would mean even more McKeller.
I did the same in terms of just accepting Kanaan without any protest. And I agree, even if he didn't appear very much, at least a line here and there in Season 5 about him-- Teyla mentioning something that she, Kanaan and Torren did together at the Athosian settlement on the mainland, for example, or her exiting a scene saying that she was meeting Kanaan for dinner, would've gone a long, long way towards cementing him as more than just a shadow in Teyla's life.
That was not a lousy job at all! It made perfect sense to me! But then, I suppose that's not really a surprise, since we Sparky shippers are all on the same mental wavelength.
Kanaan in Prodigal.
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Teyla did mention him in that one which implied that they were both walking a restless Torren and Kanaan needed a break. I guess from that we are supposed to get all the info we need to believe that they are a happy family. The truth seems to be that they are done with that story and assume we've all accepted it and moved along. They underestimate the shippers. LOL Logically though you know if they felt the need to explain where Kanaan was every ep, people would have been complaining about that just like they did in S4 when she kept going on about whether to join the team. Those scenes got a bit tedious. So you literally cannot please even a majority of the fans.
I know if Teyla's situation and Elizabeth's were reversed we would be just as unaccepting as the Sheylas are. Simon is a fair example. We just kind of dismissed him, but they were involved for all of S1 and she was assuming they would continue to be. But the writing was still good in those days and they dispensed with him very clearly. RL's pregnancy obviously sent them into a tailspin and they ran around like chickens with their heads cut off for awhile before deciding what to do. I like the idea of Kanaan. They just could have explained him better. Though I guess technically Missing did that in their minds. Oh well, it's all good to me because I'm glad they went that way.
hi just wanted to pop in and introduce my self i am a big Elizabeth and John supporter and have been lurking for some time, but decided to de lurk and join you guys. Really enough reading your postathon and Scary kitty your off world Elizabeth fan fic was brillant. So a big hello and cuddles from scotland
Hello and welcome. We usually have mojitos, cake and questionable mints. Though this time of year some of us would prefer Irish coffee.
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hi just wanted to pop in and introduce my self i am a big Elizabeth and John supporter and have been lurking for some time, but decided to de lurk and join you guys. Really enough reading your postathon and Scary kitty your off world Elizabeth fan fic was brillant. So a big hello and cuddles from scotland
Welcome to the thread! I can promise you you'll have fun here... Just don't accept any mints
The further they go the more I think that they are planning to follow the events in TLM.
Spoiler:
We've even had a bit of foreshadowing from John with his uncertain looks around McKeller. He knows what happened in the future and it must be scary to watch it unfold and not be able to do anything. When they came up with the Hoffan disease and Jennifer continued to work on it, I suspected that they may be considering having her get it. The movie may very well involve that. Though I doubt they would kill her off now. They may focus on finding her a cure which of course would mean even more McKeller.
Kanaan in Prodigal.
Spoiler:
Teyla did mention him in that one which implied that they were both walking a restless Torren and Kanaan needed a break. I guess from that we are supposed to get all the info we need to believe that they are a happy family. The truth seems to be that they are done with that story and assume we've all accepted it and moved along. They underestimate the shippers. LOL Logically though you know if they felt the need to explain where Kanaan was every ep, people would have been complaining about that just like they did in S4 when she kept going on about whether to join the team. Those scenes got a bit tedious. So you literally cannot please even a majority of the fans.
I know if Teyla's situation and Elizabeth's were reversed we would be just as unaccepting as the Sheylas are. Simon is a fair example. We just kind of dismissed him, but they were involved for all of S1 and she was assuming they would continue to be. But the writing was still good in those days and they dispensed with him very clearly. RL's pregnancy obviously sent them into a tailspin and they ran around like chickens with their heads cut off for awhile before deciding what to do. I like the idea of Kanaan. They just could have explained him better. Though I guess technically Missing did that in their minds. Oh well, it's all good to me because I'm glad they went that way.
Hello and welcome. We usually have mojitos, cake and questionable mints. Though this time of year some of us would prefer Irish coffee.
On the Kanaan stuff--I think, too, we were ushered in with Simon, so he was sort of a nagging little 'oh yeah, he's there' aspect to the S1 relationship between Weir and Sheppard. For me, their relationship was about building to the depth of connection in "The Siege", and that Elizabeth was still devoted in a sense to Simon. But she also left Simon--er, for another galaxy, on an expedition with no guarantee of return, without telling him in person beforehand--so Simon wasn't ever a worry to me. I wasn't even that ticked off Simon cheated on her, because it was quite clear that he wasn't Elizabeth's first priority. I wasn't expecting anything to come of it.
With Kanaan, he just sorta went *POP* HERE I AM!! TEYLA'S LOVE!! and I could completely understand why shippers would be completely ticked. Like so many things with these writers, it was all a muddle. It would have been like finding out Liz and Mike-what's-his-face from Sunday were actually more involved than they appeared.
With Kanaan, you have Teyla concerned about him in "Missing" and never before; you have Ronon able to figure out she's been involved with him, and John not having a clue he's even alive. You have Franibeth point him out! And then he's barely around. Discontinuity city. People are justified in being angry about Kanaan, although I personally like the principle of what he is--a tie back to the Athosians for Teyla and a chance to continue her people's heritage through her own children.
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Wow. The discussions of the day have been amazing. Don't take my not commenting as meaning anything. It's just that I couldn't really add anything of substance (esp to Eri's suggestions for s4/5/6). So on the less substance note:
Thanks, Gator, and thanks for the caps, those are hilarious! The little lemming needs to see that last set--where is she?
And to all the newer people--thanks for coming in here and infusing us with new enthusiasm! As we say about once every three months--it's absolutely amazing how many new people continue to jump in and profess their love for Sparky, despite one of the two of the pair being written out a year and a half ago!
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Okay, I mentioned a Sparky with Elizabeth off-world fic earlier, and here it is:
Easier to Hide, by Melyanna. A routine mission ends with a freak accident, leaving Elizabeth and John waiting for rescue. Intended to be read as a Season 4/5 AU or fix-it, written for the Sheppard/Weir ficathon.
Yeah, I've heard it, and it's one of the things that really burns me about this whole mess. Making such a big deal at the beginning about putting Weir, a civilian female, in charge and how it would be such a breath of fresh air for the franchise, and then three years later doing such an abrupt 180 and throwing her away like she's garbage... honestly (and I mean this with no malice, I'm merely stating a fact), it makes him look like the textbook definition of a hypocrite. Brad, what the heck happened to you?
That's an excellent question.
Word. The death of Obi Wan in Star Wars worked. It was necessary to spur Luke on to his destiny. But killing off Elizabeth and Carson had no purpose, no meaning. It was nothing but a waste.
hi just wanted to pop in and introduce my self i am a big Elizabeth and John supporter and have been lurking for some time, but decided to de lurk and join you guys. Really enough reading your postathon and Scary kitty your off world Elizabeth fan fic was brillant. So a big hello and cuddles from scotland
And to all the newer people--thanks for coming in here and infusing us with new enthusiasm! As we say about once every three months--it's absolutely amazing how many new people continue to jump in and profess their love for Sparky, despite one of the two of the pair being written out a year and a half ago!
That's because Sparky is greatness and it will never die!
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