Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Erin87]

scary kitty;9609612]*flails*

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and that could've made for some potential great scenes with carter and weir... With carter's own experiences at the 'tender mercy' of fifth, she would be in a unique position to understand a bit better than most what happens when the replicators screw with you. It sure would've given amanda tapping something more interesting to do than stand around as glorified set dressing!

that would have been great, i totally agree. Ugghh, why did they not think of this kind of stuff!

Though i'd prefer option b, as we'd get to see lizzie in the field a lot more.

ooo, definitely agree with that. Hehheh, elizabeth never did get to go off world enough, and that would have been an excellent way to do it.

Yes! All they had to do was come up with a great story that actually moved the character around on the playing board, instead of knocking her off altogether. They had all the pieces in place to do it, and then they forfeited the game right on the verge of having a checkmate.

exactly!

[Scary Kitty]

OMG, that sounds completely awesome! I would do anything (within reason) to actually have that as the actual show. *shriek* It's so true, they had so much they could have worked with! Ah! *bangs head on something, completely distraught at cluelessness of TPTB*
That is the season 4/5 that should have been!

If TPTW had actually had the creativity and the guts to use it, that is...

that would have been great, i totally agree. Ugghh, why did they not think of this kind of stuff!

My guess? They've been doing this too long and have gotten stuck in a rut, creativity-wise. So now they're going around and around in circles, recycling the same old story ideas without really trying to remake them in the mind-blowing way that's required.

ooo, definitely agree with that. Hehheh, elizabeth never did get to go off world enough, and that would have been an excellent way to do it.

Off-world!Lizzie rules. At least we get to see more of her in fanfiction. Speaking of which, I've got another fic rec for later, dealing with just that. Stay tuned!

[Scary Kitty]

Someone who I'll love forever (you know who you are). Send me the pic and I took the liberty to upload it to my Photobucket HERE
I mean what I said... look at Shep's face... it's like he's ashamed of something or atleast very uncomfortable about something and if you look at the faces of everyone around him, I am very sure he just farted...
Elizabeth is thinking: "I can't believe I'm sleeping with him while he smells like that when he farts." (that's just my shippy wishful thinking)
Carson is like: "Lad, really? Here, now and with that smell?"
The German scientist behind Shep is turning around, almost sniffing the air, thinking: 'What am I smelling?"
And the guy in the back doesn't look all that comfortable either... so yeah... my theory that Sheppard farted and it didn't smell all that good still stands

And after sprouting a theory like that, it's time for me to go to bed
See you all in the morning... and for people who don't want to open Photobucket, check the spoilerspace.

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I hope someone packed some air freshener spray!

Aaaaah, the insane things we come up with in the name of Sparky!

[Lythisrose]

I just had to share this link, it is sooo funny!
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....&postcount=322

[Scary Kitty]

I just had to share this link, it is sooo funny!
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....&postcount=322

OMFG! Engrish!

[Southern Red]

The way it could have gone? OMG, the possibilities that would/could have been AWESOME:

Spoiler:

First of course, is that things return to status quo

But if they wanted development, yikes...the stuff they could have done!

With Carter as head:

2) Elizabeth, being compromised by the nanites, is yanked by the IOA as head of Atlantis. A battle ensues between the IOA and the Atlantis expedition as to her fitness to lead and to stay behind. Carter is put in place as the interim head of Atlantis until the matter is sorted out. Among the storylines that could have drawn out this arc is Elizabeth being held in isolation while decision are made; the replicators figuring out about her nanites and attempting to take her over (*shivers* an Elizabeth who seems okay but is actually being controlled by an evil entity? Oh, the scarily good possibilities!); the alteration of the nanites within her by Rodney to be inert/okay (Um, this is Miller's crossing but with Elizabeth, not Jeannie); the use of her to destroy the last of the Asurans (think Lifeline, only with a good ending--combined into BAMSR).

How the story impacts S5:

a) She can eventually be restored to head of Atlantis--but her experience darkens her perceptions and makes her a fuller character. Elizabeth doesn't end up being 'the same', and maybe that becomes an issue for Sheppard, Rodney and others, as they see her do things she wouldn't normally do (a little rougher, a little harsher, maybe a little more brutal)

b) And if you want to bring in Woolsey--well, maybe the IOA insist she is too dangerous to be kept in charge--but the SGC, the President and her supporters reach a compromise to keep her on Atlantis, where she wants to be. John agrees to take personal charge of her and her actions, and she becomes a diplomat on an exploratory team. As she learns how to handle this (everything from military combat to figuring out how the balance of power works--after all, she was John's boss for 3 years, now he's hers--will make for a rather full season 5).

A darker route

3) If they want to make her more intriguing, another route is to have her appear after Lifeline as a threat. Make her show up as an enemy. I know that wasn't everybody's cup of tea, but I wouldn't have minded if it meant a season's worth of intrigue, and then redemption. So long as she was still there--and the John angst over her being in that position would have been phenomenal. Among other storylines is her being controlled by the nanites and the SGA expedition finding out about it; running into her in a confrontation situation where she tries to kill them; the eventual resolution that she has to be killed if they want to survive, and, then, the rescue/redemption, which might even mean a break by Rodney and John from the aim of the IOA/SGC in order to 'fix her'.

For Season 5, then, you have the same sort of evolution as the previous story--Elizabeth doubts herself, and the Expedition doubts her, too.

Those are only 2 of a multiple number of possibilities they could have done if they'd just thought about it! And understood what potential she could have had and what Torri could have done with it.

And, of course, we would have sat back and relished the Sparky that could have arisen, even if TPTB insisted there was NO romance.

Any one of those would have been wonderful. My favorite is 2b. But it would have required TPTB wanting her to stay.

I'm not anti-Sheyla...I'll leave them to their own discussions. Not everyone in that thread is exactly the same, and there are people who are cruel and people who are kind. Some who are accepting Sparky could have been but prefer Sheyla, some who are adamant that we over here are just dreaming. But in either case, that's their haven for their sentiments, so I'll let them to it.

Agree. They have lost everything and still are keeping their spirits up. A lot of them have left just like with us so it's only the true believers who remain. We should be sister ships. lol

I don't support John and Teyla as a couple, but I often enjoy reading discussions from various fangroups across the forum just to get a different viewpoints on things. People that generally upset me are set on ignore so I have no problems, but it's nice to see that we aren't the only people that dislike the writing-out of Elizabeth.

However, after saying what I did above I have to add that some of them are quite intolerant of opinions when outside their own thread. Most are just like us and just want to be left alone to enjoy their ship, so I have to cut the rest some slack. But I do have my limits when they stretch reality and deny canon. It's best just to laugh and move on.

[yunadax]

LOL Way funny!!! I are Weir!

[Scary Kitty]

Agree. They have lost everything and still are keeping their spirits up. A lot of them have left just like with us so it's only the true believers who remain. We should be sister ships. lol

*nods* We've definitely been down in the dumps enough times over TPTW shredding Sparky that I definitely understand how they feel.

Sister ships, lol!

However, after saying what I did above I have to add that some of them are quite intolerant of opinions when outside their own thread. Most are just like us and just want to be left alone to enjoy their ship, so I have to cut the rest some slack. But I do have my limits when they stretch reality and deny canon. It's best just to laugh and move on.

Indeed. It's the intolerant ones who keep going out of their way to make trouble for anyone who doesn't agree with them, and keep getting away with it, that have soured me to the whole thing. Which is a shame, because as you said, most of them just want to be left alone to have fun, like we do.

[Erin87]

I just had to share this link, it is sooo funny!
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....&postcount=322

Yep, that was pretty darn amusing.

[Ruined_puzzle]

Sister ships, lol!

That honor goes to Ronon/Teyla. We have a thread okay, we cannot just ditch them, tptb have treated them worse.

[Erin87]

Off-world!Lizzie rules. At least we get to see more of her in fanfiction. Speaking of which, I've got another fic rec for later, dealing with just that. Stay tuned!

Yep, she really does. Like in the ep Condemned, when she goes and walks all over the idiot minister. It's very 'hehheh, you have no idea who you're dealing with'.

the fic sounds very interesting. Can't wait.

[Flowerbud]

Any one of those would have been wonderful. My favorite is 2b. But it would have required TPTB wanting her to stay.



Agree. They have lost everything and still are keeping their spirits up. A lot of them have left just like with us so it's only the true believers who remain. We should be sister ships. lol



However, after saying what I did above I have to add that some of them are quite intolerant of opinions when outside their own thread. Most are just like us and just want to be left alone to enjoy their ship, so I have to cut the rest some slack. But I do have my limits when they stretch reality and deny canon. It's best just to laugh and move on.

Before Vegas I was of the opinion that both ships were mangled and destroyed beyond repair. With J/T, one of the pair has a baby with another man. With J/E, one of the pair dies. Now, I'm firmly of the opinion that if Sheppard was paired with anyone, it was with Elizabeth. RCC deliberately made Shep a tragic hero in this character study episode to match Elizabeth, a self-sacrificing heroine who also dies a tragic death.

[Reiko]

I just had to share this link, it is sooo funny!
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....&postcount=322

OMFG. That's hilarious.

[Scary Kitty]

That honor goes to Ronon/Teyla. We have a thread okay, we cannot just ditch them, tptb have treated them worse.

Heh, hence the lol.

Sparky and Spanky will rule the universe.

[Scary Kitty]

Before Vegas I was of the opinion that both ships were mangled and destroyed beyond repair. With J/T, one of the pair has a baby with another man. With J/E, one of the pair dies. Now, I'm firmly of the opinion that if Sheppard was paired with anyone, it was with Elizabeth. RCC deliberately made Shep a tragic hero in this character study episode to match Elizabeth, a self-sacrificing heroine who also dies a tragic death.

Hell yeah! John and Elizabeth really are two of a kind, in any universe.