Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Scary Kitty]

The thread was merged due to the majority of the discussion revolving around Sheppard and Weir.

The Sheppard/Weir Thread in C&R is not exclusive to squeeing or gushing it is also meant for meaningful discussion as well. It is also open to folks having only a bit to say about Joe's remarks. However since the comments have generated mainly Shep/Weir focused conversation it was merged.

Oh, really? *snort of derision*

Now, please, can somebody tell me, why do certain other ship(s) can have multiple threads, where the conversation that's generated mostly about those ships is okay and allowed, while at the same time every thread, no matter how many people enjoy the actual positive conversation, gets closed or merged if it's revolving around Sheppard and Weir? What is this, is our ship suddenly a taboo?

Sounds like it. But given previous incidents of censorship here, I have to say I'm not surprised at this latest round of favoritism and hypocrisy. And I find it disgusting.

And that makes no sense whatsoever because the discussion was not exclusively pro Shep/Weir. There were people commenting who would never venture here. And even the dissenters were discussing in a polite way.

And that also pisses me off. Either they don't feel comfortable coming here since they're not really into ship like we are, or they just never thought about it enough to come here, so we went to them, and they were quite happy to meet us halfway. The actions of the mods have just shut down free and open discussion. So much for making GW a friendly, positive place.

Okay, so now do we merge all those threads discussing aspects of McKeller with the McKeller ship thread? Because there's one or two in every episode section they appear in for S5. And other ships as well. Because if this logic is to be applied there can only be one thread for each ship no matter what the topic of conversation is. As long as that ship is mentioned, the discussion goes in the ship thread. Right?

Naw, they'll only do it to Shep/Weir, but they'll let all the other ships have however many threads they want.

Wait wait..I just had a thought, LOL. Is it because they are going to get rid of pro and anti threads thus the sparky thread will become both?

I don't like that. Honestly I haven't completely read the mission statement so I could be wrong.

They had damn well better leave us alone. I don't want any anti-Sparky crap in here; I come here to get away from it!

[Scary Kitty]

On second thought. It looks like everyone (almost) assumed that he meant Weir, which I find amusing.

And anyone who thinks we just gush and squee doesn't spend any time here. I agree about GW. This is just one more thing that makes it seem like an unfriendly place.

Unfriendly to Sparky fans, Weir fans, and anyone who is concerned about the survival of the franchise as a whole in light of how SGA has gotten dumbed down over the past couple of years. But GW will bend over backwards to accommodate anyone who hates Sparky, hates Weir, and sucks up to the producers. Okay, who's been replacing the real food with the Soylent Green again?

Sing it sister. Looks like we still have lurkers, so at least they're getting an eyeful. And it looks like at this point the intended ships were McKeller and Teyla/Kanaan because according to JM that's all that's gonna happen. Those two lovely couples are going to live in bliss, making sweet sweet love under the stars and at least one of them has already produced a darling child. Now if we could get an Athosian wedding it would all be good. *sighs*

Oooh, John could give the bride away and Jennifer could be maid of honor. Then John and Ronon would tie old shoes to a puddle jumper and Rodney would win the short straw and be allowed to fly them away for their honeymoon on a tropical planet. Meanwhile back on Atlantis, Woolsey is babysitting. I just split my sides and almost wet myself.

*dies laughing* The scary thing is, with the way the show has been going, this would fit in perfectly!

[Scary Kitty]

ARGH! Okay, enough ranting over the silly behavior of a few. BACK TO SPARKY!

So, today is Fluff!Day, and I'm going to rec a few fics that are total fluff-bombs to get you in that oh-so-sweet mood.

First, a couple by our own Anuna:

Dating Garfield. Carson has a chance to observe Elizabeth tending to a pouting John.

Mirroring. The gate room crew has the best seats in the house to watch this show unfold.

And a couple more:

The Kidnapping of Elizabeth Weir, by SGAngel. There's a heat wave on Lantea, and Lizzie's got a water gun. Watch out!

Red, by Oparu. Stripteases, funny banter, and some naughty fluff.

Happy reading!

[Scary Kitty]

Back to the 100 reasons why Sparky is awesome...

Spoiler:

#1 They have the matching eyes.
#2 They are completely original.
#3 They're always watching over each other.
#4 They'll have beautiful children.
#5 They finish each other's thoughts.
#6 They care about each other.
#7 They make grey BDUs look sexy.
#8 They are both great leaders.
#9 They go together like peanut butter and chocolate.
#10 They take care of the people under their command.
#11 They trust each other to make the right decisions for Atlantis and each other.
#12 Their concept of "personal space" is much more personal than everyone else's.
#13 Their chemistry is hot enough to melt a sun.
#14 They mirror each other's body language!
#15 They like to hang out on balconies together.
#16 Their smiles can light up the entire city. Who needs a ZPM?
#17 They angst about each other yet still manage to get the job done.
#18 They can go from flirting with each other to mutually snarking an opponent into the floor at the drop of a hat.
#19 They would personally risk everything for the sake of the other, but not their principles, no matter the cost.
#20 Sparky is the obvious ship.
#21 He cheers her up when she is down.
#22 She is there for him even when he's turning into a big, ugly, blue bug.
#23 He risks his life to save her without thought or hesitation.
#24 He cries for her.
#25 Her face lights up when he comes home alive.
#26 He sits on her desk.
#27 She sits by his side in the infirmary while he turns into a bug.
#28 She fights to keep him as her second in command and he defends her honor.
#29 The STARE.
#30 He defends her when Woolsey questions her decisions.
#31: She's with him and he's with her, either way or eye-ther way.
#32: When her name is mentioned somewhere around him he gives a look that he still cares about her.
#33: He understood that she wouldn't want to live as a machine.
#34: She understood he would never want her to give in to Kolya's demands.
#35 He found out when her birthday was so he could give her a surprise present.
#36 She insisted he be promoted so he would still be military commander.
#37 She entered the time field to help rescue him.
#38: She took a chance by asking him on the expedition even though he had a black mark on his record.
#39 They look cute lying on side-by-side beds in the infirmary wearing their matching patient scrubs.
#40 They've turned saving each other into an art form.
#41: They're so obvious everyone else notices.
#42 He allowed himself to be possessed by an alien for her.
#43 Though their ideals may sometimes conflict, they're always willing to listen to what the other has to say.
#44. He knows she'll always say yes, but gives her the puppy eyes just in case
#45 They're canon, despite everything and everyone.
#46 They're old souls.
#47 She forgot protocol to welcome him home.
#48 He broke quarantine to save her. Twice.
#49 They will always come home to each other.
#50 They're both hopeless romantics
#51 She has an instinct for knowing when he's gotten into trouble so that she can have a rescue team standing by.
#52 He tries not to fly into her favourite buildings.
#53 War and Peace. Tolstoy didn't know the half of it.
#54 Even an ordinary cup of coffee becomes a perfect opportunity to flirt.
#55 They're just cute, darnit.
#56 Eye!sex of impending DOOM.
#57 Even when she is trapped in a nanite-induced dream world, he is her touchstone to the real world.
#58 He knows exactly what kind of gifts she'd like most
#59 Sparky is so obvious, even the non-shippers see it.
#60 He knows she'll always say yes.
#61 He could've been MENSA. She's got two Ph.D's. With that kind of brain power, they'll rule the universe!
#62 They would have cutest and smartest kids on Atlantis.
#63 He's got a special quiet and husky voice just for her.
#64 They have both strong personalities and inteligence of true leaders.
#65 Just being together lifts the burdens from each other's shoulders.
#66 They're so hot that they didn't just break all the rules, they vaporized them.

#67 She offered him the adventure of a lifetime. He said yes.

[poundpuppy29]

I was just wondering if the Sparky Shippers were willing to help Spanky

Come on Spanky Shippers let's at least try for second The Dellers are 10 points ahead

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...t=62104&page=2



Would a pic run entice you to help

[nogigglingmajor]

Wait wait..I just had a thought, LOL. Is it because they are going to get rid of pro and anti threads thus the sparky thread will become both?

I don't like that. Honestly I haven't completely read the mission statement so I could be wrong.

I agree that's a really bad idea. It will stop being stargate all together, every thread will just turn into an all out verbal brawl. I mean we've seen it happen already when 2 people have had opposing opinions. Are they trying to create disharmony?

[Ncc-72452]

Uhhhh....

I must be lost...

How did the Joe Flanigan Interview thread get moved here?

[Southern Red]

Yup, I did, I had the 8th and the 9th.

Okay, and I'm here to drop in a mod statement:

Uhhhh....

I must be lost...

How did the Joe Flanigan Interview thread get moved here?

Here is the mod response received by Reiko.

The thread was merged due to the majority of the discussion revolving around Sheppard and Weir.

The Sheppard/Weir Thread in C&R is not exclusive to squeeing or gushing it is also meant for meaningful discussion as well. It is also open to folks having only a bit to say about Joe's remarks. However since the comments have generated mainly Shep/Weir focused conversation it was merged.

We don't understand either since we were all playing so nicely and it wasn't all about Sparky. Now we are just feeling discriminated against.

Yet somehow we still love our Sparky.

[Ncc-72452]

Here is the mod response received by Reiko.

The thread was merged due to the majority of the discussion revolving around Sheppard and Weir.

The Sheppard/Weir Thread in C&R is not exclusive to squeeing or gushing it is also meant for meaningful discussion as well. It is also open to folks having only a bit to say about Joe's remarks. However since the comments have generated mainly Shep/Weir focused conversation it was merged.

We don't understand either since we were all playing so nicely and it wasn't all about Sparky. Now we are just feeling discriminated against.

Yet somehow we still love our Sparky.

Ohhh...

Ok.

*looks around*

But I'm still lost in a shipper thread... Wow.

I guess my comments could have been shippy. Maybe. Kinda.

*Looks back and reads carefully*

Isn't that an interview from like Season 2? I think a great deal (unfortunately) has changed since then.

I can certainly see what JF is saying. I thought that the scene in Siege Part 1, where Sheppard essentially is going on a suicide mission has a lot more emotional undercurrent if they "have to push your feelings aside," rather than it being just the leader concerned for someone under her command. There's also a lot more undercurrent in situations like "The Eye" and "The Storm," when he is told that she is dead. Is he pulling out all the stops because his expedition leader, a woman whose safety he is responsible for, is dead, or because someone he had feelings for has been killed? It works either way, but one way is much more powerful, dramatic, and makes for better story telling than the other way. If you go back and watch some of the scenes between the two of them with this in mind, it changes a lot. In my opinion, it makes it much more dynamic. If that's shipping, I have to say that I much prefer it to the sledgehammer over my head that is Rodney and Keller. Rather than making it the focus of the story, it subtly enhances the story. That's shipping that I can live with.

AHA!!!! There you are! It seemed benign enough when I posted it... If only I had left that last sentence off!

*smacks face and drags hand across it*

Now I've posted on a shipper thread. I'm never going to live this down. What are the guys gonna say when they hear about this?

*envisions "sensitive male" comments and shudders*

Pardon me while I summon what false and bigoted male ego I have left and exit. Except... I'm still lost.

[Southern Red]

Ohhh...

Ok.

*looks around*

But I'm still lost in a shipper thread... Wow.

I guess my comments could have been shippy. Maybe. Kinda.

*Looks back and reads carefully*



AHA!!!! There you are! It seemed benign enough when I posted it... If only I had left that last sentence off!

*smacks face and drags hand across it*

Now I've posted on a shipper thread. I'm never going to live this down. What are the guys gonna say when they hear about this?

*envisions "sensitive male" comments and shudders*

Pardon me while I summon what false and bigoted male ego I have left and exit. Except... I'm still lost.

It never leaves this thread.

Thank you for your response to the interview. We were hoping for a real discussion but the mods felt it was obviously pro Sparky even though some posters thought he didn't mean Weir. Come back anytime. We have great discussions here.

[Scary Kitty]

It never leaves this thread.

Indeed. What happens in the Sparky thread, stays in the Sparky thread.

Thank you for your response to the interview. We were hoping for a real discussion but the mods felt it was obviously pro Sparky even though some posters thought he didn't mean Weir. Come back anytime. We have great discussions here.

I heartily second that. Please, Ncc-72452, feel free to drop by anytime. We welcome intelligent, logical discussion from anyone who is willing to give our views due consideration and respect.

[Ncc-72452]

It never leaves this thread.

Thank you for your response to the interview. We were hoping for a real discussion but the mods felt it was obviously pro Sparky even though some posters thought he didn't mean Weir. Come back anytime. We have great discussions here.

*drops to knees*

Oh, thank God!

Thanks for the invite. Maybe I will... But... Don't expect me to gush... or squee... or use lufa sponges. What does one do on a shipper thread anyway? Do we just hope that they get together one day? Do we vindictively berate anyone from another -ah - "ship"? Oh, come to think of it, do *we* get vindictively berated by other ships? If so, just put me on the gun facing the McKay and Keller ship (Hopefully it looks like the Titanic).

Well, if I'm going to stay, maybe I should start at the beginning.

*looks at page count*

*eyes widen*

Good, God! I think I need to rethink this. Is there a Beginner's Guide to Shipping? You know... Certain male instincts are rebelling against this right about now... I think I need to go watch some sports or something...

[Southern Red]

*drops to knees*

Oh, thank God!

Thanks for the invite. Maybe I will... But... Don't expect me to gush... or squee... or use lufa sponges. What does one do on a shipper thread anyway? Do we just hope that they get together one day? Do we vindictively berate anyone from another -ah - "ship"? Oh, come to think of it, do *we* get vindictively berated by other ships? If so, just put me on the gun facing the McKay and Keller ship (Hopefully it looks like the Titanic).

Well, if I'm going to stay, maybe I should start at the beginning.

*looks at page count*

*eyes widen*

Good, God! I think I need to rethink this. Is there a Beginner's Guide to Shipping? You know... Certain male instincts are rebelling against this right about now... I think I need to go watch some sports or something...

I think I love you. Do you have friends? Everybody is welcome. We have a couple of guys who drop in occasionally.

What do we do? We squee sometimes. We celebrate the moments our couple shared on the show. We discuss various episodes and scenes they were in. We try not to vindictively berate others but we do just a tiny bit of scoffing at a certain ship that we see as lacking...shall we say...the vital elements of screen chemistry and sufficient interaction to be believable as a ship even though TPTB repeatedly told us we should see the "playful sexual tension" between them. As a result, we do get berated by others who think in turn we are delusional and scary.

That last part is why JF's statement in the interview meant so much to us. We've put up with a lot of abuse and been called crazy yet we know what we were seeing on screen and we were just stubborn enough not to let anything "they" said stop us from believing that John and Elizabeth belonged together. GiTM pretty much confirmed John's feelings, so we have continued to celebrate them even knowing they will never be together.

Pardon my rambling. Aren't you sorry you asked? Oh, and we write fanfic, do art and make videos.

[Ncc-72452]

I think I love you. Do you have friends? Everybody is welcome. We have a couple of guys who drop in occasionally.

*pastes grin on face*

I - ah - like you too...

*pats Southern Red's hand*

Just -ah- mind the personal space.

What do we do? We squee sometimes. We celebrate the moments our couple shared on the show. We discuss various episodes and scenes they were in. We try not to vindictively berate others but we do just a tiny bit of scoffing at a certain ship that we see as lacking...shall we say...the vital elements of screen chemistry and sufficient interaction to be believable as a ship even though TPTB repeatedly told us we should see the "playful sexual tension" between them. As a result, we do get berated by others who think in turn we are delusional and scary.

Oh...

You mean Sheppard and Teyla...

Right?

Is that - like - our arch nemesis?

Others think you are delusional and scary... I think I may have a place here...

That last part is why JF's statement in the interview meant so much to us. We've put up with a lot of abuse and been called crazy yet we know what we were seeing on screen and we were just stubborn enough not to let anything "they" said stop us from believing that John and Elizabeth belonged together. GiTM pretty much confirmed John's feelings, so we have continued to celebrate them even knowing they will never be together.

Pardon my rambling. Aren't you sorry you asked? Oh, and we write fanfic, do art and make videos.

I think I can understand how you feel. I hesitate to offer an opinion because I am hardly a -ah- shipping expert, but I kinda thought that they didn't know what direction they were going with Sheppard. There were some scenes that strongly hinted at an attraction between Sheppard and Teyla, but I thought that there were much stronger scenes hinting an attraction between Sheppard and Weir.

I mean, in the same season, both pairs had a kissing scene, and in both cases, Sheppard was not really Sheppard. And, the bond between Sheppard and Weir (romantic or non, take your pick) seemed to grow by leaps and bounds every year, where his bond with Teyla never really progressed beyond the camaraderie of being on the same team.

I mean, I would say that anything Sheppard ever did for Teyla, he would also do for Ronan and Rodney. In fact, I dare say that of the three, Rodney and he have the strongest bond, followed by Ronan, trailed by Teyla. On the other hand, in TRW, I don't see him unzipping the curtain to hold Rodney's hand, should he have been the one on the table... That would just be... Well... No. So, I guess I'm trying to say that, IMO, Weir and Sheppard had the strongest bond, not only of Sheppard and the other characters, but really on the show in general. I always thought that the trinity of Atlantis was Sheppard, Weir, and McKay. I was positively shocked when they dumped a member of that trilogy. I felt that most of the character interactions after that lacked a certain punch, except between McKay and Sheppard, and Weir (in GitM).

So... I don't think you're crazy, but can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?

Oh... And art and videos. No. Fanfic... Maybe...

*male instincts rebel*

*holds stomach*

Okay... I REALLY need to go watch some sports or play some Mortal Kombat vs. DC!

[Killdeer]

Well, I'm not sure why the thread got merged, but I'm loving the recent commentary.

NCC-72552, completely agree with your assessment, and I too was shocked that they dumped one of the trio. Tried to give you green but I think it got cut off.