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**Eri13** · 15 April 2008, 07:11 AM

Hiya Sparkies!

I'm leaving discussion of "Siege III" up for today because I don't have time to go through "Intruder" and as it's one of my top 5 I want it to be good.

Glad you're feeling better Torri 012!

Random Siege III questions for fun:

1) Who do you think was more upset over the potential loss of the other: John or Elizabeth?

2) Do you think the 'end' of Colonel Everett was weak or strong, and why?

3) What did you think about John's plan to attack the Wraith fleet head on?

4) Is Hermiod funny or just...weird?

5) Did you like how Aiden Ford was written out?

6) Does Elizabeth really believe what she tells John at the end about Ford, or is she placating him?

AND:

Write a small (read, 1-2 paragraph) thought process for John when Elizabeth hugs him.

OR

Write a small (read, 1-2 paragraph) thought process for Elizabeth walking to John after Ford leaves through the gate.

**SMB_BOOKS** · 15 April 2008, 10:39 AM

1) Who do you think was more upset over the potential loss of the other: John or Elizabeth?

Wow - tough question. I am going to say Elizabeth, because of the guilt factor. She tried to stop John going, and his response to her presented her with a choice. Either agree that it was the only way or order him to stand down. Elizabeth is a strong leader, she knows there is no choice, but still, it forces her to verbalize her agreement. Then she is left to deal with the resulting guilt of sanctioning his actions, of putting him in harms way, of sending him to his death. This is someone she cares a great deal about, more than she probably realized until this very moment. He will pay the ultimate price and she will be the one left to answer for it. To her expedition members, to the IOA, and most importantly to herself.

None of this is to negate John's feelings. He is genuinely upset and concerned and scared. It is hard to say who felt more.

2) Do you think the 'end' of Colonel Everett was weak or strong, and why?

I think Colonel Everett's "end" is strong in the sense that it illustrated the beginnings of Earth's underestimation of threat in the PG. And, it is a visual representation of military might does not always win. Strong military men don't always survive, despite their training and experience. I, too, went on the hate....like journey with Everett. He's an example of a well-written character. Despite what I thought of him in the beginning, I was sad for him at the end.

3) What did you think about John's plan to attack the Wraith fleet head on?

A ballsy, alpha-male, move. It's risky, dangerous, etc. Reminds me of that quote from LOTR-TRK (I'm going off memory here) - "Small chance of success, certainty of death......well, what are we waiting for?" (Gimli regarding the march on the Black Gate).

4) Is Hermiod funny or just...weird?

Both

5) Did you like how Aiden Ford was written out?

Not really. But, I do like the addition of Ronon, and I don't think there would be room for both characters. I did like Aiden's character and his plight could have been explored further.

6) Does Elizabeth really believe what she tells John at the end about Ford, or is she placating him?

I think she believes it because she knows how badly John needs to believe it. Despite all that has happened, Elizabeth hasn't lost her sense of optimism and knows John needs a good healthy dose of that right now.

How'd I do, teacher? LOL....... I love episode Q&A!

**Pajus** · 15 April 2008, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Anuna View Post

Laws of physics arent my strong side, and I'm not that big on science but when I see the lack of psychological depth I spit fire.

Season four, oh how I hate thee.

I know exactly how you feel. I spat fire watching Adrift (That one was written by Gero as well, so I'm taking my words back. Adrift is the worst affront to physics Gero has commited, followed closely by Siege III), Be all my sins remember'd, Outcast, Midway, Trio, The Kindred, The last man, ...

Originally posted by Anuna View Post

Pajus, you naughty boy. Yes I know him! I don't know about laws of physics but we do have quality smut. (I wasn't planning to do this, but you made me do it, after mentioning so many times you can't find quality smut on this thread. We do it differently!)

Here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4186246/1/Brave_new_world

and here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4145598/1/Interruptus

(Yes I'm self pimping)

And the best sparky smut I ever read is this: http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...ry.php?sid=953

You can complain about the lack of quality smut after you read at least one of those, the last one being the best by far.

Read them and they confirmed all my theories about Sparky fanfictions

**Eri13** · 15 April 2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by SMB_BOOKS View Post

1) Who do you think was more upset over the potential loss of the other: John or Elizabeth?

Wow - tough question. I am going to say Elizabeth, because of the guilt factor. She tried to stop John going, and his response to her presented her with a choice. Either agree that it was the only way or order him to stand down. Elizabeth is a strong leader, she knows there is no choice, but still, it forces her to verbalize her agreement. Then she is left to deal with the resulting guilt of sanctioning his actions, of putting him in harms way, of sending him to his death. This is someone she cares a great deal about, more than she probably realized until this very moment. He will pay the ultimate price and she will be the one left to answer for it. To her expedition members, to the IOA, and most importantly to herself.

None of this is to negate John's feelings. He is genuinely upset and concerned and scared. It is hard to say who felt more.

2) Do you think the 'end' of Colonel Everett was weak or strong, and why?

I think Colonel Everett's "end" is strong in the sense that it illustrated the beginnings of Earth's underestimation of threat in the PG. And, it is a visual representation of military might does not always win. Strong military men don't always survive, despite their training and experience. I, too, went on the hate....like journey with Everett. He's an example of a well-written character. Despite what I thought of him in the beginning, I was sad for him at the end.

3) What did you think about John's plan to attack the Wraith fleet head on?

A ballsy, alpha-male, move. It's risky, dangerous, etc. Reminds me of that quote from LOTR-TRK (I'm going off memory here) - "Small chance of success, certainty of death......well, what are we waiting for?" (Gimli regarding the march on the Black Gate).

4) Is Hermiod funny or just...weird?

Both

5) Did you like how Aiden Ford was written out?

Not really. But, I do like the addition of Ronon, and I don't think there would be room for both characters. I did like Aiden's character and his plight could have been explored further.

6) Does Elizabeth really believe what she tells John at the end about Ford, or is she placating him?

I think she believes it because she knows how badly John needs to believe it. Despite all that has happened, Elizabeth hasn't lost her sense of optimism and knows John needs a good healthy dose of that right now.

How'd I do, teacher? LOL....... I love episode Q&A!

You did lovely! *applauds* If I get a chance I'll join in the fun.

Call me teacher again and we'll have a problem, tho.

Originally posted by Pajus View Post

Read them and they confirmed all my theories about Sparky fanfictions

This is why we love our Anuna.

**Southern Red** · 15 April 2008, 12:30 PM

Busy hands are happy hands. New wallpaper.

Spoiler:

**SMB_BOOKS** · 15 April 2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Southern Red View Post

Busy hands are happy hands. New wallpaper.

Spoiler:

YAY! Pretty....pretty....pretty.....

**SMB_BOOKS** · 15 April 2008, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Eri13 View Post

You did lovely! *applauds* If I get a chance I'll join in the fun.

Call me teacher again and we'll have a problem, tho.

Hey, I was raised by teachers - a noble profession. LOL......

**Anuna** · 15 April 2008, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Eri13 View Post

This is why we love our Anuna.

I wonder what the theory was /is.

Anyway... long day today. Tomorrow will probably be another one, but I'll try to be here more than today. ((hugs you all))

**Anuna** · 15 April 2008, 01:57 PM

1) Who do you think was more upset over the potential loss of the other: John or Elizabeth?

I think John. He was ready to give his life there, and then in one moment all of it, all their efforts, and his could - be - life - sacrifice could have eneded just like that. Everything he fights for, everything he believes in - his *home* - almost gone. That moment: "Atlanits! What's your position?!" is iflled with desperation and fear and when he hears Elizabeth's voice, there is surge of relief. I'm not going to say that Elizabeth feels less for him, but by now Atlantis is in center of all John's actions. Everything he does, he does for Atlantis, because he cut all of his ties to Earth. So literally he could have lost *everything* in space of a second. It must have been awful.

2) Do you think the 'end' of Colonel Everett was weak or strong, and why?

It was good - it did Everett justice, but to John too. That moment when John salutes... it feels like he's forgiven for what he did to Sumner - or shall I say for sumner. Everett acknowledged John, everything fell into place and it was such a sad, poignant moment for both men.

3) What did you think about John's plan to attack the Wraith fleet head on?

Not bad but not brilliant either. I guess it needed to be done. Like SMB said, typical alpha male move.

4) Is Hermiod funny or just...weird?

Hilarious!!!!

5) Did you like how Aiden Ford was written out?

No. It was the beginning of "we don't know what to do with them, let's turn them into monsters" crap.

6) Does Elizabeth really believe what she tells John at the end about Ford, or is she placating him?

Yes. I don't see her telling a lie to John, because she knows a lie wouldn't serve to make him feel better. She was always very honest with him - and he with her - it's a premise of their relationship, and it's where the mutual trust comes from. So yes. She believes, and she believes in John.

**Eri13** · 15 April 2008, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Anuna View Post

I wonder what the theory was /is.

Anyway... long day today. Tomorrow will probably be another one, but I'll try to be here more than today. ((hugs you all))

I should have said that's only one reason we love our Anuna.

You wouldn't think that listening to 500 pieces of unlicensed music would make your eyes go crossed, but it does.

Random Siege III questions for fun:

1) Who do you think was more upset over the potential loss of the other: John or Elizabeth?

John. I think Elizabeth prepared herself for the potential loss of members of her team even before the Siege situation. John's sacrifice was heartbreaking, but Elizabeth's ability to give him the "go" command demonstrated her understanding of the need for the sacrifice. She would be loathe to lose him, or anyone, but she didn't hesitate in acknowledging that it was the best thing they could do.

John, on the other hand, is willing to sacrifice everything for people--the 'leave no man behind' mentality--but when there is nothing he can do, he's left to face the fear of being left behind. As military he would understand loss, but as John I think he maybe didn't believe it could happen until it was right there in front of him. The way he yells out "Elizabeth!" over the com, the relief on his face, and, in particular what he says next and how he says it ('don't scare me like that!') showed just how much he thought he'd lost.

2) Do you think the 'end' of Colonel Everett was weak or strong, and why?

I thought it was pretty strong--I'm not a fan of "now I'm hurt and dying so I forgive you" cliched writing, but I thought it was a good moment that did give John closure on both Sumner and Everett. He was essentially told by a respectable man that he'd done the right thing.

3) What did you think about John's plan to attack the Wraith fleet head on?

As mentioned above, alpha male. Although I liked we got to see the strength of the Daedalus against the Wraith--it clears up any plot questions of 'why doesn't the Daedalus just go Hive hunting once in a while?'

4) Is Hermiod funny or just...weird?

OMG SO FUNNY! I love that little thing! And I mourn him.

5) Did you like how Aiden Ford was written out?

If the rumours are true and Rainbow Sun Franks was happy with it, then I'm not too miffed. What I dislike is the fact that we only get three further episodes exploring this. Rather than Michael, Ford should have been the half-wraith enemy.

6) Does Elizabeth really believe what she tells John at the end about Ford, or is she placating him?

I actually do think Elizabeth is placating him a little bit. I think she knows John needs to hear it, but her trepidation with regards to Ford earlier in the episode and the expression on her face, which I interpret to basically be concern for John, makes me believe she thinks Ford may be lost.

Nighty night, sparkies! *hugs*

**PaulrissaRahany** · 15 April 2008, 04:20 PM

*waves hands*

Hi everyone!! I've been gone for about 3 weeks! Longest I've ever stayed away. Part of that reason is because I've been so busy with school. I have Final Exams soon. And the other part of that is because I've been trying to get all the intel on BSG. I fell in love with it...and I've neglected Sparky. I'm sorry. =( I've obsessively been reading fanfiction with Laura/Bill. But I'm back!! Sparky called me back to its wonderfulness. Have I missed any huge spoilers? Or any kind of really good art work/icons/pictures...Oh! I've missed Sparky sooooo much!! I'm glad to be back.

*hugs the thread and everyone in it*

**Pajus** · 15 April 2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Anuna View Post

I wonder what the theory was /is.

Anyway... long day today. Tomorrow will probably be another one, but I'll try to be here more than today. ((hugs you all))

Is the new job more demanding?

Anyway, here are my theories:

1) 42 percent of Sparky smut is written in the following way:

Spoiler:

2) The rest of Sparky smut is written in the following way:

Spoiler:

Of course these theories only apple o the ones I've read. If you know Sparky smut that defies these theories, I'd be more than happy to read it. But I did like Anuna's Interruptus, 'cause it was one of the few Sparky smuts that also dealt with the emotional/relationship fallout of the action

**Anuna** · 15 April 2008, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Pajus View Post

Is the new job more demanding?

Anyway, here are my theories:

1) 42 percent of Sparky smut is written in the following way:

Spoiler:

2) The rest of Sparky smut is written in the following way:

Spoiler:

Of course these theories only apple o the ones I've read. If you know Sparky smut that defies these theories, I'd be more than happy to read it. But I did like Anuna's Interruptus, 'cause it was one of the few Sparky smuts that also dealt with the emotional/relationship fallout of the action

Okay, P, you asked for it. (but not there's something called PWP - Plot, What Plot?). Sometimes we the writers want action and no romance.

Here's something you might find different, and yes, a bit longer.

"Unexpected": http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...ry.php?sid=846 If you read that one... well, hands down to you.

"Fractured" plus "And if the world should fall apart" : http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...ry.php?sid=322 and http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...ry.php?sid=762 - it does deal with emotional fallout.

This was my take on "Common Ground": http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...y.php?sid=1220 - it's called "The Scar" and it deals - again - with the emotional fallout.

And this is my probably best story: http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...y.php?sid=1055 The Secret marriage. No, nobody is married there. It's a heavy read too. It deals with all characters, not only J and E. I think you'll find plenty of reasons in that one to "justify" the action.

**Pajus** · 15 April 2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Anuna View Post

Okay, P, you asked for it. (but not there's something called PWP - Plot, What Plot?). Sometimes we the writers want action and no romance.

Here's something you might find different, and yes, a bit longer.

"Unexpected": http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...ry.php?sid=846 If you read that one... well, hands down to you.

"Fractured" plus "And if the world should fall apart" : http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...ry.php?sid=322 and http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...ry.php?sid=762 - it does deal with emotional fallout.

This was my take on "Common Ground": http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...y.php?sid=1220 - it's called "The Scar" and it deals - again - with the emotional fallout.

And this is my probably best story: http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...y.php?sid=1055 The Secret marriage. No, nobody is married there. It's a heavy read too. It deals with all characters, not only J and E. I think you'll find plenty of reasons in that one to "justify" the action.

You're my hero, Anuna. That'll keep me busy for a while -at least until S5 airs, 'cause I've got a feeling I'll be writing many How it should have been stories afterwards. BTW... Anuna... You know what I was going to ask *off to read*

**Torri012** · 15 April 2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Southern Red View Post

Busy hands are happy hands. New wallpaper.

Spoiler:

*squeee*

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