Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Anuna]

YAY, thank you! I was very inspired and I had so much fun!

[Torri012]

Just watched irresistable
Love seeing jealous John!!

Sharing 2 caps

John inviting Liz to his room

and this one, cause she looks absolutely gorgeous

aww - the first one is sooo sweet.

for me it says:
: *points to lucious* with that guy you spend your time? you cant be serious!? have you seen how he's running around? he's old and messy and not the kind of guy who would be a good man for you ...
*blinks embarrased because of his critics*

[Eri13]

Hello, all! I'm feeling a bit under the weather today *headdesk* so sorry if my posts sound wonky.

Sanctuary

I know this is one of the Sheppard 'Kirking' episodes, but to be honest, I like Sanctuary. If I'm genuinely nervous about my ship, episodes like these make me nauseous, but I've never been worried about these type of moments in Atlantis--they never really posed a threat.

I think the reason I like Sanctuary is because of the different approaches all the characters take to Chaya and her situation. We do get to see some of the best of all the characters doing their jobs.



I love the 'villagers' but was a little baffled by the combination of the huts and the monk wear. It looked sorta Buddist and sorta Zulu.





Ah, the lovely Chaya. I liked the way Leo Varela played her--she was not simpering--she took everything in stride. There wasn't any begging with Chaya, or backwards behavior, you could tell she was on the level with Weir, basically, though she wore frillier clothes.



Rodney was at his jerkiest, smarmiest know-it-all-ness in this episode. I thought he was a leetle too jerky, if you ask me. After all the good stuff we've seen Rodney do in the last four episodes, this basically takes the character back to where he was willing to steal a ZPM from children. Chaya obviously posed no threat, though she was hiding something, so I really didn't see a need for him to treat her like she was one.






John: "Chaya's so pretty. And compared to her, Elizabeth's hair looks really goofy."

One of the things I wasn't a fan of was the sort of simpering way John behaved. He wasn't over the top with it (I don't think JF would ever let him get really down there) but he did act a little like a lovesick puppy, and the fact that others kept him out of the loop on their investigation of Chaya seems like a major breakdown in communication. They all knew he liked her, but that doesn't mean Elizabeth shouldn't have pulled him aside and told him what they'd found out.


Now that we know what an ascended Ancient looks like, we'll never mistake them again *cough*





Though this is a John/Chaya episode, we do get an Elizabeth/John moment, which I do like. For one thing, the moment is really coolly shot--from John's perspective, wheeling around with Elizabeth following him to the balcony. For a second, Elizabeth doesn't hesitate in giving him permission to follow Chaya (and essentially save her) but she's still worried about him.

Overall, I like how Elizabeth handles herself in this episode, toeing that line, again, between negotiating and protecting her own people. She makes an error in judgment in giving Rodney too much leeway, but I like that Chaya, as a leader herself, understands and forgives Elizabeth's position.

The biggest gripe about this episode is that it feels incomplete--almost like a bunch of scenes tied together without a core story. Too much of the little things, not enough of a center. The ending, for example, which is sweet, feels like it leaves you hanging.

Now, if you have the DVD set of S1, and you've not listened to the commentary for Sanctuary, I highly recommend you do, because it's the only one in all the episodes of Atlantis where Torri Higginson and Rachel Luttrell do the commentary together. (Torri walks in towards the very end of another episode--maybe 38 minutes? with Paul McGillion and Rachel, but it's way too short).

You're not going to get too much insight into the actual episode, but the commentary is ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE. You hear them chatting up their dogs, their love of soy chai, yoga, talking about how nice Leo Varela was and even doing a little bit of fangirling about Joe F. For example, when the opening credits start to roll, you hear Torri go "and...here's me...looking worried, worried, more worried" and then Rachel starts commenting about her wigs and how they hadn't quite gotten them right at this point. And it goes from there. Totally worth a listen.

[justhere1971]

YAY, thank you! I was very inspired and I had so much fun!

I loved this one. I can totally believe them acting that way when they are drunk .. giggly & somber. What I would love to see though is how they deal with the aftermath of this. Not more smut per se, but how & where they go from this point on. How the future events shape them.

[sofie]

Now, if you have the DVD set of S1, and you've not listened to the commentary for Sanctuary, I highly recommend you do, because it's the only one in all the episodes of Atlantis where Torri Higginson and Rachel Luttrell do the commentary together. (Torri walks in towards the very end of another episode--maybe 38 minutes? with Paul McGillion and Rachel, but it's way too short).

You're not going to get too much insight into the actual episode, but the commentary is ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE. You hear them chatting up their dogs, their love of soy chai, yoga, talking about how nice Leo Varela was and even doing a little bit of fangirling about Joe F. For example, when the opening credits start to roll, you hear Torri go "and...here's me...looking worried, worried, more worried" and then Rachel starts commenting about her wigs and how they hadn't quite gotten them right at this point. And it goes from there. Totally worth a listen.

WHAT!?!
One commentary on that DVD is for 'The brotherhood' with Rainbow...
Are you seriously kidding me that the european DVD's are lacking commentary *is not a happy camper*

[Eri13]

WHAT!?!
One commentary on that DVD is for 'The brotherhood' with Rainbow...
Are you seriously kidding me that the european DVD's are lacking commentary *is not a happy camper*

YIKES! The Euro DVDs don't have the Torri/Rachel commentary?! That's...evil!!

Yes, the Region 1 DVDs do have a commentary for that episode:

Season One - Volume 2, disk 2:
Audio commentary for "Hot Zone" with writer Martin Gero and actors Rachel Lutrell, Rainbow Sun Franks, and Paul McGillion
Audio commentary for "Sanctuary" with Rachel Lutrell and Tori Higginson
Audio commentary for "The Brotherhood" with director Martin Wood, writer Martin Gero and David Hewlitt
Mission Directive - Sanctuary
Mission Directive - Before I Sleep
Photo Gallery

[Anuna]

justhere, you are beyond evil. Remeber the Bigbang? Now be silent. That one must be 40 000 words long... and that's LOT of words.

Scanctuary... yep I spelled it like that on purpose - well it isn't one of my top episodes. Like Eri said, it's too much of everything without a solid story and I'm wondering what was the point of this - except telling us John is a womanizer - in my opinion he doesn't need to be Kirk to be cool. He is very cool without chasing alien chicks (and alien STDs). In my opinion Chaya is totally unecessary. Although the point of this episode was John running around like lovestruck fool, I also didn't feel the sparky is threatened.... because it feels sorta like an AU - one of the reasons is that so many characters feel like they are sent back to square one, Rodney in particular.

Who wrote this peice of cr*p?

[sofie]

YIKES! The Euro DVDs don't have the Torri/Rachel commentary?! That's...evil!!

Yes, the Region 1 DVDs do have a commentary for that episode:

I checked again, and it's actually the Hotzone commentary. That's the only one we have...
Also have:
Mission Directive - Sanctuary
Mission Directive - Before I Sleep
and behind the stargate: secrets revealed

Looks like I'll have to go search the commentary online

Personally NOT a fan of 'sanctuary', probably one of my least favorite epi ever...

[Anuna]

I checked again, and it's actually the Hotzone commentary. That's the only one we have...
Also have:
Mission Directive - Sanctuary
Mission Directive - Before I Sleep
and behind the stargate: secrets revealed

Looks like I'll have to go search the commentary online

Personally NOT a fan of 'sanctuary', probably one of my least favorite epi ever...

Scanctuary is in the same dump like The Tower, and Irr- twins of fail. Eeeeeewwww.

[justhere1971]

justhere, you are beyond evil. Remeber the Bigbang? Now be silent. That one must be 40 000 words long... and that's LOT of words.

Scanctuary... yep I spelled it like that on purpose - well it isn't one of my top episodes. Like Eri said, it's too much of everything without a solid story and I'm wondering what was the point of this - except telling us John is a womanizer - in my opinion he doesn't need to be Kirk to be cool. He is very cool without chasing alien chicks (and alien STDs). In my opinion Chaya is totally unecessary. Although the point of this episode was John running around like lovestruck fool, I also didn't feel the sparky is threatened.... because it feels sorta like an AU - one of the reasons is that so many characters feel like they are sent back to square one, Rodney in particular.

Who wrote this peice of cr*p?

*beats down the pesky muse that wants to feed Anuna*

[sofie]

Scanctuary is in the same dump like The Tower, and Irr- twins of fail. Eeeeeewwww.

I do love the last scene of 'the tower' , but the rest is pretty uhm... bad

[Anuna]

I do love the last scene of 'the tower' , but the rest is pretty uhm... bad

I share your feelings. The Tower is one of those episodes i switched off because it was insulting my cerebellum and I was dizzy of boredom. The last scene is great tough and since "The Tower" is another task of mine for the smuthaton.........

*insert very evil laughter here*

[Southern Red]

justhere, you are beyond evil. Remeber the Bigbang? Now be silent. That one must be 40 000 words long... and that's LOT of words.

Scanctuary... yep I spelled it like that on purpose - well it isn't one of my top episodes. Like Eri said, it's too much of everything without a solid story and I'm wondering what was the point of this - except telling us John is a womanizer - in my opinion he doesn't need to be Kirk to be cool. He is very cool without chasing alien chicks (and alien STDs). In my opinion Chaya is totally unecessary. Although the point of this episode was John running around like lovestruck fool, I also didn't feel the sparky is threatened.... because it feels sorta like an AU - one of the reasons is that so many characters feel like they are sent back to square one, Rodney in particular.

Who wrote this peice of cr*p?

Some guy named Alan Brennert and it was directed by James Head. Did we ever see either of them again? Makes sense. No Skanktuary should be removed from all DVD's and its name erased from all data banks. Why? Because everybody IMHO except Rodney was dreadfully OOC. What in hell was Elizabeth thinking to let this chick onto Atlantis? And Carson made John look positively mature the way he behaved around her. The only thing that would have saved it to me would have been if she had worked some sort of hoo doo on them and for some reason it didn't work on Rodney. Now if you ask a McShep, they will tell you he was jealous.

To this day my former husband says that Chaya was the only woman John has really seemed to like, and he'd love it if they brought her back. I don't know what he's been smoking, but when his bruises heal I will ask him.

Altogether, I'm a bit meh about this one.

[Anuna]

Meh is the word. The episode was lame and did your hubby miss the tons of not so subtle eye!sex John and Liz were having all over the screen? Men. Emotionally illiterate.

And that actress who played Chya.... it had to be a buxom babe from some cover, right? God forbid if John fell for woman's personality, wit, humor, her; and not the exterior.

[justhere1971]

Meh is the word. The episode was lame and did your hubby miss the tons of not so subtle eye!sex John and Liz were having all over the screen? Men. Emotionally illiterate.

And that actress who played Chya.... it had to be a buxom babe from some cover, right? God forbid if John fell for woman's personality, wit, humor, her; and not the exterior.

I personally found Chaya a snoozer. Not because I was shipping sparky - actively , but because she played the part like she was half asleep. I am sure the actress is wonderful, but Chaya? bah.

SR: I would agree with the McShep folks, that Rodney did act jealous. He was like, what the heck is he seeing in her?