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    Congrats on post 1000, sofie!


    So... Hot Zone. Seriously, I wanted to smack both John and Elizabeth.

    In all the discussion about the breakdown of their working relationship in this episode, the one thing that seems to have slipped through the cracks is that John wasn't the only one who screwed up. Elizabeth did, too. This started out as a medical emergency, but it snowballed into a security situation that was clearly out of Elizabeth's control. In fact, it was actually Rodney, not John, who was the first person to point out to Elizabeth that someone needed to stop Peterson:

    WEIR: Yes, OK, I think we have him. He's trying to make his way back. It should be OK -- Grodin is locking all the doors in the hallway and killing power to the entire section.

    McKAY: You need to send someone to stop him.

    WEIR: It's under control, Rodney.

    McKAY: No, Elizabeth, it's not under control. He knows almost as much about Ancient technology as I do. At the very most, what you're doing will just slow him down.


    If someone didn't go after Peterson, he would've continued hacking the doors open. Eventually, he would've reached an area where the viral sensors were still operational, and the citywide lockdown would still have been triggered. Granted, they didn't know about the lockdown protocol at the time, but even without that knowledge, they knew they needed to stop Peterson before he reached the populated section of the city and put everyone there at risk, and Peterson had demonstrated pretty clearly that simply cutting power to the doors wasn't enough to stop him.

    If a more proactive approach to dealing with Peterson (or anyone else who decided to make a break for it) had been used from the beginning, John might have felt more comfortable that the situation was still under control and that he did not need to get directly involved. But by insisting on taking a more passive "wait and see" approach and arguing with both Rodney and John on that point, Elizabeth may have cost them valuable time in dealing with Peterson and preventing the outbreak from spreading further, and ultimately forced John's hand.

    What John did wasn't right, but I think Elizabeth could have done more to address John's concerns, which, under the circumstances, were very well-founded. Elizabeth made such a point at the end about John needing to trust her, but real trust goes both ways; it seemed from the very beginning of this episode that she didn't trust him. And after John's daring rescue of her in The Eye, I have to wonder what caused this mistrust on her part. (Yet another reason why I had such a hard time doing my smutficathon entry for this episode-- John just wouldn't shut up about feeling hurt that she didn't trust him.)

    The episode wound up leaving their disagreement unresolved; Elizabeth got to chew out John, but he never got to call her on her own failure (though he was allowed to complain to Teyla about it), and both John and Elizabeth were never given the opportunity to reach any sort of mutual understanding, which I found rather unsatisfying.
    (This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
    Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.

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      Me had a bad day today, need cheering up.

      Slight change of plan to story. Instead of Emma, what do you all think about Grace? Grace means charm and I think that fits in well with the story.

      Where is everyone?
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        Hello I just posted my first SGA/Sparky fanfiction a few days ago and I wanted to shear it with you guys so I´ll hope you´ll like it. Btw it´s a christmas story so ehh well, I hope that wont stop you from reading it. I acully was going to post it next christmas but I could´n wait . Enjoy.

        http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4157737/..._The_Mistletoe

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          Originally posted by Wormhole View Post
          Me had a bad day today, need cheering up.

          Slight change of plan to story. Instead of Emma, what do you all think about Grace? Grace means charm and I think that fits in well with the story.

          Where is everyone?

          I vote for either, since in my AU Fic I named their daughter Emma Grace.

          I'm about to head out to a tennis tournament.

          And sorry I can't reply to your post, Scary Kitty! I like the point you brought up, it was an interesting assessment of an error Elizabeth might have made. I'm not entirely convinced Elizabeth wouldn't have made a proper move as he drew closer--she does wait until the last minute if it involves taking a life, but she will take action, and, to paraphrase a favorite statement of Elizabeth's 'he hadn't gotten there yet'--it is still a good argument as to how the situation might have been better handled.

          Although I'm not convinced even sending out a military squad would have been enough for John. His dislike didn't come out of her not taking the right course of action, it was in him being tied down like everyone else. Even if she'd sent out a military squad, I think he would have found another reason to order the doors opened.
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            Originally posted by Eri13 View Post
            I vote for either, since in my AU Fic I named their daughter Emma Grace.

            I'm about to head out to a tennis tournament.

            And sorry I can't reply to your post, Scary Kitty! I like the point you brought up, it was an interesting assessment of an error Elizabeth might have made. I'm not entirely convinced Elizabeth wouldn't have made a proper move as he drew closer--she does wait until the last minute if it involves taking a life, but she will take action, and, to paraphrase a favorite statement of Elizabeth's 'he hadn't gotten there yet'--it is still a good argument as to how the situation might have been better handled.

            Although I'm not convinced even sending out a military squad would have been enough for John. His dislike didn't come out of her not taking the right course of action, it was in him being tied down like everyone else. Even if she'd sent out a military squad, I think he would have found another reason to order the doors opened.
            I can't help but to think back at the moment in The Storm/The Eye when John told Ford "You get Mckay". Nooooo, not even a military squad would made him happy. It's about him hating to be out of the loop because he feels responsible, it's him who should be out there taking necessary steps to make sure everyone is safe.

            OT but I really need to rant....

            Spoiler:
            I found out I have to go to something called "course for fiancees" (is there something like this in other countries?! Or is it just Croatian catholic church?) in church 6 months before actual wedding. 6 freaking months!!! And it's bloody obligatory! I heard from lots of people about those "courses", it's just load of crap (I'm supposed to listen to a priest teaching me about good marriage? Please. Frak!!!!). *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* I knew I wasn't religious for a reason. Aaaaaaaarrrgh.

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              Fic rec: Seeking heat by miera - episode tag for The Storm & The Eye, rated R. Amazing. Very emotional and simply beautiful. Go and read.
              I'm not weird, I'm limited edition.

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                Originally posted by Anuna View Post
                I can't help but to think back at the moment in The Storm/The Eye when John told Ford "You get Mckay". Nooooo, not even a military squad would made him happy. It's about him hating to be out of the loop because he feels responsible, it's him who should be out there taking necessary steps to make sure everyone is safe.

                OT but I really need to rant....

                Spoiler:
                I found out I have to go to something called "course for fiancees" (is there something like this in other countries?! Or is it just Croatian catholic church?) in church 6 months before actual wedding. 6 freaking months!!! And it's bloody obligatory! I heard from lots of people about those "courses", it's just load of crap (I'm supposed to listen to a priest teaching me about good marriage? Please. Frak!!!!). *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* I knew I wasn't religious for a reason. Aaaaaaaarrrgh.

                Your OT

                Spoiler:
                Hubby and I were supposed to do that but since he was stationed thousands of miles away from where I was and wouldn't be home before the wedding, we ended up having two classes when he was home for his sister's wedding. We took a compatibility test and the councilors (a married couple) said they had never seen anyone score so high. Even the ones we disagreed on were because of the wordng of the questions.


                Wonder how these two would do on a compatibilty test?

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                  Originally posted by Pocus View Post
                  Your OT

                  Spoiler:
                  Hubby and I were supposed to do that but since he was stationed thousands of miles away from where I was and wouldn't be home before the wedding, we ended up having two classes when he was home for his sister's wedding. We took a compatibility test and the councilors (a married couple) said they had never seen anyone score so high. Even the ones we disagreed on were because of the wordng of the questions.


                  Wonder how these two would do on a compatibilty test?

                  Pocus, that's a good fic idea, but I really don't know what this compatibility test means. Ours don't do that.
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                  They preach to you how you should live your life, which I despise and I really don't want to do it. It's not like I don't have any idea whom I'll be marrying or how to deal with problems. Maybe I can do that better than some priest advises. Catholic priests... they are so... dense.


                  *headdesk*

                  I feel so bad after talking about this.... am I a bad person?!
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                    Originally posted by Anuna View Post
                    Pocus, that's a good fic idea, but I really don't know what this compatibility test means. Ours don't do that.
                    Spoiler:
                    They preach to you how you should live your life, which I despise and I really don't want to do it. It's not like I don't have any idea whom I'll be marrying or how to deal with problems. Maybe I can do that better than some priest advises. Catholic priests... they are so... dense.


                    *headdesk*

                    I feel so bad after talking about this.... am I a bad person?!
                    No you aren't a bad person.

                    OT
                    Spoiler:
                    Our test was supposed to make us think about the big decisions (like finances and children) and the little day to day stuff (like tv watching and entertainment). I know I am glad that we didn't have to go through the whole thing. Are your classes given by the priests? Ours were given by married couples because they could empathize with the issues couples deal with.


                    I can see Sparky being told how to deal with their lives by Priests.


                    I really don't think you are qualified to tell us how we should enjoy our ...bodies.
                    I'm giving him tothe count of 3, then I'll use Ronon's gun on him.
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                      Originally posted by Pocus View Post
                      No you aren't a bad person.

                      OT
                      Spoiler:
                      Our test was supposed to make us think about the big decisions (like finances and children) and the little day to day stuff (like tv watching and entertainment). I know I am glad that we didn't have to go through the whole thing. Are your classes given by the priests? Ours were given by married couples because they could empathize with the issues couples deal with.


                      I can see Sparky being told how to deal with their lives by Priests.


                      I really don't think you are qualified to tell us how we should enjoy our ...bodies.
                      I'm giving him tothe count of 3, then I'll use Ronon's gun on him.

                      No... not married couples but geezers who (are supposed to) live in celibacy. Which is why I think the whole deal is totally ridiculous. It's supposed to be something like, now we decide if you're good little sheep and deserve to be wed in Holy Church. And that attitude; somebody telling me if I'm good enough or not, that's what pisses me off so much.

                      Ronon's gun... yeah.
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                        Originally posted by Anuna View Post
                        No... not married couples but geezers who (are supposed to) live in celibacy. Which is why I think the whole deal is totally ridiculous. It's supposed to be something like, now we decide if you're good little sheep and deserve to be wed in Holy Church. And that attitude; somebody telling me if I'm good enough or not, that's what pisses me off so much.

                        Ronon's gun... yeah.
                        The Catholic Church is bass-akwards sometimes. I can say that because that is how I was raised.

                        We need some Sparky wedding love! I think they would choose a simple ceremony representing their lives in Atlantis and performed in front of their family there. It wouldn't be based on religion or formality. Just a pure declaration of love and promises to always be there for each other.
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                          Originally posted by Pocus View Post
                          The Catholic Church is bass-akwards sometimes. I can say that because that is how I was raised.

                          We need some Sparky wedding love! I think they would choose a simple ceremony representing their lives in Atlantis and performed in front of their family there. It wouldn't be based on religion or formality. Just a pure declaration of love and promises to always be there for each other.
                          Yep I can see that. (I wish I could do the same because the church makes me feel VERY uncomfortable). Back to topic, I can see some kind of simple ceremony, including something symbolic... (fic ideas again, Pocus? Maybe it would be good to write about that and deal with what I feel right now) and I can see Ronon as their "priest".
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                            Originally posted by Anuna View Post
                            Yep I can see that. (I wish I could do the same because the church makes me feel VERY uncomfortable). Back to topic, I can see some kind of simple ceremony, including something symbolic... (fic ideas again, Pocus? Maybe it would be good to write about that and deal with what I feel right now) and I can see Ronon as their "priest".
                            As long as you don't forget your drunk sex one!
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                              Originally posted by Pocus View Post
                              As long as you don't forget your drunk sex one!
                              I'm working on it, but my mood is totally ruined now.
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                                Originally posted by Anuna View Post
                                I'm working on it, but my mood is totally ruined now.
                                Very sorry to hear that (((hugs))). Hope you get your good mood back again soon. Sparky needs you!
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