Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[atlantis_babe34]

John wants to propose to Elizabeth....

LOL i don't think u know how long it took me to read that! lol

[Eri13]

I have a question. Does anyone feel really sad about Sparky? now before you go 'what kind of question is that?' let me explain. i watched SG1 for all those years and plenty of other showw where

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my chosen ship hasn't got together

But I've never felt this sad, it's like I'm really sympathising with the characters or something. That vid "Agaisnt all odds',' well the song played on the radio and i felt so sad

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like these two never even got a chance, and it's just I dunno really sad

Does anyone understand what I'm trying to explain? *sigh*

You know, oddly enough I had a moment of regretish-ness last night right before I went to bed (beneath spoiler for hopeless sadness moment--don't read if you're peppy today!)

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Thinking back on the scene in Lifeline where Elizabeth sacrifices herself for John and the others, and I suddenly thought, because of the developments with Torri 'you know, that's it. That's the final act of the real Elizabeth on-screen as our real, honest-to-goodness Elizabeth. Whatever she was in TMC or BAMSR, those were intended as set ups to futher plotlines, so she could have been anything--including the real Liz--but as far as the Liz we knew and loved, her final actual act was the sacrifice.'

That made me really sad. Because the whole time I watched S4 I had a hope that we'd get to see more, so that wasn't really "it", you know? But now, since Torri's not back, as far as canon goes that was "it" and I shifted into the mindset of what John must have been feeling, that he was losing her and would never see her again. For the upcoming year, we all lost her in the show at that moment, and finally realizing that made me really, really sad.

HOWEVER...

Whatever I've just said, I don't feel like we didn't get that ship played around with. Whether through the sideways intentions of the writers (like Binder) or the actors themselves playing more up to the story than they did, I do believe we saw Sparky on-screen in canon, and there were many, many more golden moments with it than some of the other couples I've shipped.

And one thing that's always hung over my head as far as ships--when one part of a triangle disappears due to death or loss, there is always that itchy, lingering feeling of 'what would he have done if she'd been there--would he have chosen the same?'

And, of course, we have imagination and fanfiction--which will always give us stuff to play around with.

[Chrysalis]

Go vote for sparky!

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...30#post7734730

[Anuna]

Go vote people.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...30#post7734730

I'll say it again - the ship is creation of the shippers most of the time. Sometimes we see something that is there, sometimes something that isn't there - or it's there but it wasn't quite intended to be canon and so forth. As far as I'm concerned sparky IS canon, much more so than any other ship on SGA, just like Sam and Jack on SG1.

However it turned out - and this time our ship isn't on screen anymore - it will last as long as we have interest in it. As long as there are stories and artwork and videos the ship won't be gone and won't be "dead". (this is one of the reasons why nobody really dies in science fiction). I understand how you guys feel - I've felt that too some time ago, but then I decided tptb and canon and whatever they call their ideas won't take sparky away from me. As long as I have my imagination - and I have lots of it - my sparky won't be gone. They can ship John with a wall if they want to, but I won't buy it, because other ship for him, apart from Sparky I just don't see.


I think it's time for me to go and write some smut. or fluff. This thread needs a kick in the butt again. *grumbles*

[Fionnait]

*harhar* I just voted Sparky to number 1! Go folks and secure the pole position!

[Anuna]

Make the world a better place - go vote for one true love! *grins*

[PaulrissaRahany]

Haven't been in this chat room for awhile!! I miss it!! But of course, I come in when everyone is being sad about Elizabeth leaving...

That made me depressed!!

I miss Sparky, dearly! I miss all the wonderful moments they had...I miss THEIR balcony...*rattles on for years*

[Anuna]

Haven't been in this chat room for awhile!! I miss it!! But of course, I come in when everyone is being sad about Elizabeth leaving...

That made me depressed!!

I miss Sparky, dearly! I miss all the wonderful moments they had...I miss THEIR balcony...*rattles on for years*

Yay that's a cute siggy you have! Come here more often, we are kind of lonely and always look forward to new people who want to chat and have fun. Yes, sparky is kind of hidden this season, but we still have all those amazing moments - and will have them always! Thanx for dropping by!

[nogigglingmajor]

You know, oddly enough I had a moment of regretish-ness last night right before I went to bed (beneath spoiler for hopeless sadness moment--don't read if you're peppy today!)

Spoiler:

Thinking back on the scene in Lifeline where Elizabeth sacrifices herself for John and the others, and I suddenly thought, because of the developments with Torri 'you know, that's it. That's the final act of the real Elizabeth on-screen as our real, honest-to-goodness Elizabeth. Whatever she was in TMC or BAMSR, those were intended as set ups to futher plotlines, so she could have been anything--including the real Liz--but as far as the Liz we knew and loved, her final actual act was the sacrifice.'

That made me really sad. Because the whole time I watched S4 I had a hope that we'd get to see more, so that wasn't really "it", you know? But now, since Torri's not back, as far as canon goes that was "it" and I shifted into the mindset of what John must have been feeling, that he was losing her and would never see her again. For the upcoming year, we all lost her in the show at that moment, and finally realizing that made me really, really sad.

HOWEVER...

Whatever I've just said, I don't feel like we didn't get that ship played around with. Whether through the sideways intentions of the writers (like Binder) or the actors themselves playing more up to the story than they did, I do believe we saw Sparky on-screen in canon, and there were many, many more golden moments with it than some of the other couples I've shipped.

And one thing that's always hung over my head as far as ships--when one part of a triangle disappears due to death or loss, there is always that itchy, lingering feeling of 'what would he have done if she'd been there--would he have chosen the same?'

And, of course, we have imagination and fanfiction--which will always give us stuff to play around with.

So

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What actually happened with Torri. What's the story? And is it a definite that there will be no more Elizabeth on screen for the rest of SGA?

[Anuna]

So

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What actually happened with Torri. What's the story? And is it a definite that there will be no more Elizabeth on screen for the rest of SGA?

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It seems she had enough of the treatment they were giving her. maybe she didn't like the story they planned, and it was only 1 episode. And maybe it's for the best, given just how good the show is right now.

[nogigglingmajor]

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It seems she had enough of the treatment they were giving her. maybe she didn't like the story they planned, and it was only 1 episode. And maybe it's for the best, given just how good the show is right now.

I taking that last sentence as sarcasm? Forgot to say, i had a wonderful sparky dream last night...only can't remember much of it except that the whole dream was played out to a song! *laughs*

Personally for me it was s2 that was so hard to watch. mainly because it ripped off too many SG1 storylines. I stopped about 5 eps in, but I'm trying to watch it again now cause i have to read up to s5 to be able to write this fic I'm working on. But s2 is really grating on me!

[Anuna]

Yes the last sentance is sarcasm.

S2 was good - better than S3 anyway, and pretty Sparky heavy! S3 somehow didn't have that same "edge", I don't know how to describe it. But sparky was there.

[SoulSpinder]

Okie, I promise Anuna I'd try to write a fluffy Valentine's story for her. Well, it's a day late thanks to a mean paper, but it's here! Sadly, with no beta as my beta won't be online for a couple more hours and I'll be gone until 11. So I hope it's okie.

Title: Daydream
Rating: PG
Summary: She hadn't thought in a million years anything, any place, or anyone like this could exist. She was glad she was wrong. Future and/or AU.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4075129/1/

[mcat]

I taking that last sentence as sarcasm? Forgot to say, i had a wonderful sparky dream last night...only can't remember much of it except that the whole dream was played out to a song! *laughs*

Personally for me it was s2 that was so hard to watch. mainly because it ripped off too many SG1 storylines. I stopped about 5 eps in, but I'm trying to watch it again now cause i have to read up to s5 to be able to write this fic I'm working on. But s2 is really grating on me!

Do yourself a favor: skip over "The Tower."

[Anuna]

Do yourself a favor: skip over "The Tower."

Actually watch last two minutes of "The Tower". The rest you can skip. It's about some primitive society that's after John's perfect genes.