Was anyone else disappointed John and Teyla (spoilers)

[bluealien]

I always noticed that in a lot of episodes little things happened like John sitting next to Teyla a lot (I think some of the producers or directors mentioned this about them in some of the commentaries - I'm sure it's mentioned in the Quarantine commentary) and how that's a subtle showing of how close they are. Now, that alone doesn't say too much about an attraction, but there are other things too that I won't list...

Yes they always gravitated towards each other, possibly a subconsious thing..I liked how their closeness was mentioned in the Quarantine commentary...eventhough the ptb had decided to take Teyla in a new direction they still always acknowleged the connection between them...In the pregnancy scene I loved how even the director mentioned that John was jealous and both Joe and Rachel even discussed how they would play this scene.. so the writers continued to show that feelings still existed between JT in season 4..

I think it was in season 5 after Search and Rescue that things started to fall apart..maybe it was after the announcement of the cancellation that they seemed to lose interest in all the relationships except the trianlge of doom... they went to the trouble of bringing in a baby daddy for Teyla but then the guy was just forgotten about... we didnt hear Teyla once say that shel loved him...they didnt really do anything with the relationship at all and the lack of chemistry between the actors added to the cringeworthyiness of the whole situation.. this was the most disappointing aspect imo... anyone who had missed some eps of season four would have been totally confused as to who Kanaan was.. He ended up being referred to as the baby sitter.... and at the end of season 5 where was he.. why wasnt he with Teyla on the balcony playing happy families.. sigh.

Possibly because it was pretty impossible to show them as being this happy little family when we only got to see the guy for a few moments in about 2 episodes.. on the other hand it was John who was by Teyla's side constantly... it was John who was the first to her bedside in the Queen.. it was John who risked his life and career to save her in Search and Rescue and the last Man....

It was obvious through the entire series that Teyla meant a lot to John... and for me it would have been a natural occurance to see them end up together and it was the complete lack of any follow up towards the end of season five that was the most disappointing... but then we didnt even get any follow up to he so called canon (or quarter canon as Linda said) relationship... personally I think the writers realised that Kanaan was a bit of a wet fish and totally unsuitable for Teyla...I agree with Atlantis4Life that he was weak... but I think the SGA writers had lost all interest in most of the characters by this time anyway and therefore ended up with the rushed ending that was Eatg..

[Probie]

Blue: The problem still (for some people) the same. Joe and Rachel want to play a scene like they want but if at the end, we (or I) don't see the the famous thing, it's a problem. I don't see jealousy in this scene but maybe it was too subtle again or I was not too tired.lol It's a question of perception.
I can take your sentence "they didnt really do anything with the relationship at all and the lack of chemistry between the actors" and use it for this ship but like I said before chemistry is a question of perception. The relationship (or love if you want) is not obvious between them.
Yes John was by Teyla's side constantly and he took a risk to try to save her but it's the hero of the show. I would be confused if this was not the case. But John did this for all his friends. Not a surprise.
I have a question. Why do you think Teyla is not happy with Kanaan because we don't see him on the show? Maybe I don't understand you on this point.

But I agree when you said " I think the SGA writers had lost all interest in most of the characters by this time anyway and therefore ended up with the rushed ending that was Eatg." I don't think they had interest in Teyla or some other characters since the beginning. It's sad, stupid and not a surprise too.

But well, all this conversation is about perception. The only thing sure is Teyla is with Kanaan, John is alone and we are all disappointed by the show for different reasons.

What? I'm Ot? lol

[AlbinoMonkeyC]

I have to agree with that particular sentence. Not fond of the way these PTB were lacking in writing relationships (be they of the romantic kind or the friendship kind) and their absolute lacking in writing their lead females... or make that any other character that wasn't McKay (although in the end he wasn't any better off).

And I secretely have to admit that as far as canon relationships go - Teyla/Kanaan FTW!
What, they're cute together. They really are. Even if it was severely lacking in background and writing.

I have to admit, I also kindof agree. *hides from fellow Shelya Shippers*

Now once again: can we please leave the shipwars to the uber-obsessed Twilight fans??? Please?!??!?!?!?!

[bluealien]

Blue: The problem still (for some people) the same. Joe and Rachel want to play a scene like they want but if at the end, we (or I) don't see the the famous thing, it's a problem. I don't see jealousy in this scene but maybe it was too subtle again or I was not too tired.lol It's a question of perception.

I'm not going to argue with you about what you see or don't see. All I'm saying is what the actors said.

I can take your sentence "they didnt really do anything with the relationship at all and the lack of chemistry between the actors" and use it for this ship but like I said before chemistry is a question of perception. The relationship (or love if you want) is not obvious between them.

I think we've already done this argument to death.

Yes John was by Teyla's side constantly and he took a risk to try to save her but it's the hero of the show. I would be confused if this was not the case. But John did this for all his friends. Not a surprise

No its more than being the hero of the show.

I have a question. Why do you think Teyla is not happy with Kanaan because we don't see him on the show? Maybe I don't understand you on this point.

Why do you think she was? She was in a relationship that was in its very early stages .. all we knew was they were childhood friends and them wham she's pregnant.. I think she said it just happened.. so not a planned pregnancy.. she refers to Kanaan constantly as the father of her child.. never once did she express any love for him..he's never around.. never there for her when she needed him.. as I said it was always John... shouldnt Kanaan have been by her side if he was so important to her.. she certaintly didnt look all that happy on the balcony... again where was Kanaan... Teyla seemed pretty miserable for most of seaon five.. except the moments where she got to bounce Torren in her arms... but other than that both John and Teyla seemed pretty miserable for most of the season.. maybe it was just the new darker tone of the show..

But I agree when you said " I think the SGA writers had lost all interest in most of the characters by this time anyway and therefore ended up with the rushed ending that was Eatg." I don't think they had interest in Teyla or some other characters since the beginning. It's sad, stupid and not a surprise too.

No it wasnt just Teyla .. most of the cast were given little to do, including John. The main focus was on McKay and that was always the case imo...

But well, all this conversation is about perception. The only thing sure is Teyla is with Kanaan, John is alone and we are all disappointed by the show for different reasons.

We don't know if Teyla is with Kanaan.. all we know is that they have a child together.. nothing else was ever made clear...

What? I'm Ot? lol

Probably..

[Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble]

I'm not going to argue with you about what you see or don't see. All I'm saying is what the actors said.

I think we've already done this argument to death.

No its more than being the hero of the show.

Why do you think she was? She was in a relationship that was in its very early stages .. all we knew was they were childhood friends and them wham she's pregnant.. I think she said it just happened.. so not a planned pregnancy.. she refers to Kanaan constantly as the father of her child.. never once did she express any love for him..he's never around.. never there for her when she needed him.. as I said it was always John... shouldnt Kanaan have been by her side if he was so important to her.. she certaintly didnt look all that happy on the balcony... again where was Kanaan... Teyla seemed pretty miserable for most of seaon five.. except the moments where she got to bounce Torren in her arms... but other than that both John and Teyla seemed pretty miserable for most of the season.. maybe it was just the new darker tone of the show..

No it wasnt just Teyla .. most of the cast were given little to do, including John. The main focus was on McKay and that was always the case imo...

We don't know if Teyla is with Kanaan.. all we know is that they have a child together.. nothing else was ever made clear...

Probably..

Do you think that maybe the writters brought Kanaan in as stop gap solution to expain Rachels pregnancy while at same keeping the the J/T ship a possibilty.

[Atlantis4Life]

Well let's just say they haven't exactly got a great track record when it comes to writing romance So maybe we should be thankful for small miracles

You know, Linda. If I didn't know better, sometimes I'd think you weren't a JT fan. Thank goodness I do.

I don't think that it was a small miracle that they didn't end up together, just perhaps cold feet by writers when Rachel announced her pregnancy. That's my take on it. However, you are correct about their track record with romance.

They were doing alright in my opinion until they hit some of the disasters of season 4 - Teyla and Kanaan are at the top of that list for me, but McKeller took the lead in 5. It's sad because Teyla and Kanaan were really winning the "Worst Couple Ever" title, however I do take consolation in the the fact that they were only slightly edged out by McKeller in season 5, and that at least they won the season 4 crown, that is, to me they did.

And I'll get to work on something better for you. It may take a little time though. As you can tell, jokes aren't my specialty.

pfft, on topic is overrated

Especially when you're in the mix!

You've got to tone the fun down a bit, Linda, or we'll all have too much of a good time. Oh-wait! Now that I think about it, keep doing what you're doing.

Cheers

Atlantis4life: It's good if I don't sound like an anti-teyla because someone in the past made this comment about me.
I have to be honest. I laughed when I read " John sitting next to Teyla a lot". I almost always sitting next my boss in reunion. This means I'm in relationship with him? It's not against you but against TPTB. Those men are very funny because if they said "ok guys, I will put Teyla next John during the next episode. It will be the hot scene and proove they are close." I start to really like them.lol Yes they're close but I don't see romance.

Thanks, Probie. Everyone has their own opinions and perceptions. Part of your reply is answered in my previous post when I said:

[...] Now, that alone doesn't say too much about an attraction, but there are other things too that I won't list... [...]

Sitting next to Teyla a lot is not an indication of a romance by itself. So, your point is well-taken because I made that same point myself. Nevertheless, I'm glad you got a kick out it the same way I got a kick out of John supposedly being "too big" for Teyla, and Teyla and Kanaan being "on the same level." I think that a person can have a fling with an old friend from childhood and that doesn't mean that they are soul-mates, even if they try to have a relationship with that old friend because a child came out of the fling... Perhaps we can leave it at that.

I don't think that TPTB thought that repeatedly sitting John next to Teyla would be interpreted as "hot scenes," perhaps that kissing scene in Conversion, but not sitting... I think that your conclusion of "Yes they're close..." was likely the desired outcome of such scenes. So, in this instance, I believe that you're showing that TPTB hit the mark there.

Another thing that I don't understand in your post. Kanaan can't replace John? When ? Where? It's not the role of Kanaan to replace him. John is not dead or something like that so I don't see the point here.
The subtle thing is good because we can see different things. For me it's a little subtle here because I don't see it but even if I don't see the "romance" between them, I like their relationship.

I'm reading my post and trying to see if I'm ot.lol It's hard to stay on the topic. But it's very nice to talk with people who have different point of view.
Now I go, Football is calling me.

Oh, that's easy enough to explain. Kanann can't replace John as a love interest, potential or otherwise. Kanaan may be in Officialshipville with Teyla, yes. That doesn't change the fact that I think that Shep makes a better partner for Teyla. That's why I was disappointed that they didn't get together by the end of the show. Keller may officially be the new CMO on Atlantis, but that doesn't change the fact that I still think Beckett is the best at it and should still be CMO. But it is what it is. There you go.

And I agree that it is good to talk to people that are friendly about having their different perspectives. I hope you enjoyed your football.

Yes they always gravitated towards each other, possibly a subconsious thing..I liked how their closeness was mentioned in the Quarantine commentary...eventhough the ptb had decided to take Teyla in a new direction they still always acknowleged the connection between them...In the pregnancy scene I loved how even the director mentioned that John was jealous and both Joe and Rachel even discussed how they would play this scene.. so the writers continued to show that feelings still existed between JT in season 4.. [...]

Same here. I agree with your post. Joe Flanigan also mentioned that John was jealous (I think either in an interview or speaking to the general audience at a convention). He said that he was reading one of the scripts with Rachel, and he was like "Oh, I get it. John's jealous," and that this is how he played John interacting with Teyla, for what it's worth.

The problem still (for some people) the same. Joe and Rachel want to play a scene like they want but if at the end, we (or I) don't see the the famous thing, it's a problem. I don't see jealousy in this scene but maybe it was too subtle again or I was not too tired.lol It's a question of perception. [...]

Oh, I don't think it was meant to be that particular scene where jealousy was the main issue for Shep. The scenes between Shep and Teyla in Quarantine are more about bonding over the situation that they are in, and him consoling her and giving her advice about the situation she was in as an expectant mother. The director does mention that there is an "under-currant" (shipper-wise) between the two characters, and so I think that you are right about subtlety being the case.

Do you think that maybe the writters brought Kanaan in as stop gap solution to expain Rachels pregnancy while at same keeping the the J/T ship a possibilty.

I hope so. (I'm still not holding my breath for the movie, though. )

[Ragitsu]

He said that he was reading one of the scripts with Rachel, and he was like "Oh, I get it. John's jealous," and that this is how he played John interacting with Teyla, for what it's worth.

This is how I read his initial impression. More accurately, "John is hurt".

[Petra]

I hope you don't mind my butting in and offering my perspective as a non-fan and non-shipper...

I can't say I was disappointed by lack of any John/Teyla resolution but I was surprised. Even as a non-shipper I saw J/T 'ship being set up throughout season 1 and IMO the writers did a good job with it - it was in the background but it was there. However it seemed to drop off the radar in season 2 and vanish completely in season 3. And then the whole Teyla/Kanaan thing came totally out of left field and left me wondering for a long time if I missed something along the way. I think it's strange how the writers just abandoned a fairly promising storyline.

[Probie]

I don't have time to give an answer for all the post and I don't think it's necessary because you already know my opinion about what the actors and TPTB said, about Teyla and Kanaan, about relationship in SGA.
This is my last post here because someone has just shown me how my different opinion is not appreciated. I thought we could talk quietly or just talk and gave arguments but I think I'm naive. Or maybe stupid. I forgot it was not possible to talk on a thread when it's about a ship. I won't do the same mistake. I return to my cave.lol But it was fun to talk with you.

[Atlantis4Life]

I don't have time to give an answer for all the post and I don't think it's necessary because you already know my opinion about what the actors and TPTB said, about Teyla and Kanaan, about relationship in SGA.
This is my last post here because someone has just shown me how my different opinion is not appreciated. I thought we could talk quietly or just talk and gave arguments but I think I'm naive. Or maybe stupid. I forgot it was not possible to talk on a thread when it's about a ship. I won't do the same mistake. I return to my cave.lol But it was fun to talk with you.

Oh Probie, you were doing just fine. I don't know who made you feel like your opinions aren't appreciated; I don't see any posts from posters on this thread that show that, but I'm sorry if someone did.

We haven't chatted much with each other, but I've always appreciated your comments and perceptions for what they were. And, it was fun talking to you too. If you ever decide to come back, please know that you are welcome here - at least by me. You don't have to stay in your cave. However, I respect you doing whatever you need to do. If it helps, I don't think your posts on this thread were a mistake at all. Take care of yourself.

Cheers.

[Probie]

Oh Probie, you were doing just fine. I don't know who made you feel like your opinions aren't appreciated; I don't see any posts from posters on this thread that show that, but I'm sorry if someone did.

We haven't chatted much with each other, but I've always appreciated your comments and perceptions for what they were. And, it was fun talking to you too. If you ever decide to come back, please know that you are welcome here - at least by me. You don't have to stay in your cave. However, I respect you doing whatever you need to do. If it helps, I don't think your posts on this thread were a mistake at all. Take care of yourself.

Cheers.

Don't worry. It's not someone on this thread. But I had a "nice" * irony* chat yesterday on msn with a member of GW. For her, I don't show respect for Sheyla's fans and Teyla's fans. I was sure something like this will happen. I don't think I was rude with you or lack of respect but I prefer to stop now for the moment because I'm a little tired to be in conflict with a people for just a tv show.
And be angry is not good for my heart.lol
Maybe I will be back later because I think we had a good conversation. It's too bad to see that some people keep doing the "war ships".

[Linda06]

You know, Linda. If I didn't know better, sometimes I'd think you weren't a JT fan. Thank goodness I do.

I know, it's hard to tell with me but I am a John/Teyla fan even if I haven't been into the JT thread for months now I just hated the way it ended up in the last two seasons

I don't think that it was a small miracle that they didn't end up together, just perhaps cold feet by writers when Rachel announced her pregnancy. That's my take on it. However, you are correct about their track record with romance.

I'm just thankful it didn't end up like Teyla/Kanaan or McKay/Keller. Like I said before the idea of Teyla/Kanaan was good, but the execution was a lot to be desired Instead of spending all that time on McKay and obsessing about giving him a love interest from no where they should have concentrated more on the other ship that they made and actually developed it and maybe then it wouldn't have ended up being ridiculous. Now this is no slight against the actor who played Kanaan but I personally think they cast the wrong person for this part. To me Teyla/Kanaan didn't have any chemistry but then again, it would be hard to have chemistry with someone if you barely share any screentime together. There was a multitude of others who are on SGA who would have been a far better choice and who also had some screentime and chemistry with Teyla, John, Lorne, Ronon, Major Marks, Carson, heck even Halling would have been an improvement But then again maybe just maybe if they spent the time developing Teyla/Kanaan it could could have actually worked but I guess we'll never know.

They were doing alright in my opinion until they hit some of the disasters of season 4 - Teyla and Kanaan are at the top of that list for me, but McKeller took the lead in 5. It's sad because Teyla and Kanaan were really winning the "Worst Couple Ever" title, however I do take consolation in the the fact that they were only slightly edged out by McKeller in season 5, and that at least they won the season 4 crown, that is, to me they did.

Yep Teyla/Kanaan were pretty bad but McKeller was 100x worse IMO

And I'll get to work on something better for you. It may take a little time though. As you can tell, jokes aren't my specialty.

Okay, no rush

Especially when you're in the mix!

*bows* Thank you thank you. And I didn't even have Jelgate here to help me

You've got to tone the fun down a bit, Linda, or we'll all have too much of a good time. Oh-wait! Now that I think about it, keep doing what you're doing.

Cheers

I don't have time to give an answer for all the post and I don't think it's necessary because you already know my opinion about what the actors and TPTB said, about Teyla and Kanaan, about relationship in SGA.
This is my last post here because someone has just shown me how my different opinion is not appreciated. I thought we could talk quietly or just talk and gave arguments but I think I'm naive. Or maybe stupid. I forgot it was not possible to talk on a thread when it's about a ship. I won't do the same mistake. I return to my cave.lol But it was fun to talk with you.

Aw that sucks, I was enjoying talking with you But yes I undrestand about not having one's opinions respected. I've been there before and it sucks. I mean at the end of the day it's just an opinion on what we as individuals see and some of us see different things, I mean it'd be kinda boring if we all saw or liked the same things Some people saw John/Teyla, some saw John/Weir, some saw John/Rodney, some saw Teyla/Ronon. Doesn't mean one is right and the rest is wrong (but just keep in mind the golden rule: "Linda is always right, even when she is wrong" hehe jk) Some probably didn't see any hints of ships, although I don't know how they could miss it. Have you seen the size of the Daedalus? hehe, sorry couldn't resist *note to self* "I really need to stay off the Irn-Bru"

You are not naive or stupid. I too wish we could all talk about the likes and dislikes of different ships without it turning into a free for all but it may be more wishful thinking than anything else Also I don't think I was one of them that thought you were anti-Teyla. I love Teyla, she is my fave character but believe me I have the same problems as you about her and the serious lack of screentime (got the proof thanks to little Lemming ) and development.

[scifan]

I would have to say Yes for the same reason as many others.

If they did the Kanaan story better I might have excepted it more, but even the writers at one point mentioned that Kanaan was suppose to die and not make it to season 5 and the man was made fun of in at least one commentary. So, obviously they just threw him in there. IMO Teyla is a smart woman and I just can't see it as a smart choice, but this is just my opinion. Not everyone has to agree. I respect the opinions of my fellow shippers, whether they are for JT or not.

I think I'm more disappointed with the fact that John is alone and both Teyla and John look unhappy.

Edit: *TACKLE HUGS* Linda and Probie.


Probie: I'm sorry that someone made you feel that way. This is not a ship thread.... so yes, your opinion counts. This thread was just to talk about if you were disappointed or not. If you are not, then that's ok too. If you ship John/Weir and Teyla/Kanaan then that is your freedom to do so. *HUGS*

[Ragitsu]

I think I'm more disappointed with the fact that John is alone

Well, if it's any consolation, he was standing next to Woolsey at the end of Enemy at the Gate.

[scifan]

Well, if it's any consolation, he was standing next to Woolsey at the end of Enemy at the Gate.

Thanks... that does help a bit. lol

'Night all.