Was anyone else disappointed John and Teyla (spoilers)

[Probie]

Definitively NO !
I will use an expression of my mom “It would have been the stale cherry on the rotten cake”. If you don’t understand the cake is the show and the cherry this ship.lol
I’m already disappointed by the show but if Teyla and John would end together, I don’t know if I would sell my dvds or cry with desperation. I’m not saying this just for this particular ship. I have strange reaction when I hear “relationship”, “TPTB” and “Stargate” in the same sentence because those writers can’t write them. My opinion. I prefer subtle thing. It’s why I start to like Kanaan and Teyla. I’m sure some of you will say “It’s not subtle, it’s transparent. Kanaan doesn’t exist”. And I want to say, he’s just like Teyla. For me, this ship couldn’t work because Teyla is not developed…..but it’s not really the subject.
To be a little back on this thread. I can’t be disappointed by something that I didn’t see or expect to see during 5 seasons. Yes I saw some hints but nothing serious or constant. It would be “they are partners/friends since 4 years and BAM!...they are in love and you have to believe in it”. So definitively not….

[Falcon Horus]

I have strange reaction when I hear “relationship”, “TPTB” and “Stargate” in the same sentence because those writers can’t write them.

I have to agree with that particular sentence. Not fond of the way these PTB were lacking in writing relationships (be they of the romantic kind or the friendship kind) and their absolute lacking in writing their lead females... or make that any other character that wasn't McKay (although in the end he wasn't any better off).

And I secretely have to admit that as far as canon relationships go - Teyla/Kanaan FTW!
What, they're cute together. They really are. Even if it was severely lacking in background and writing.

[Flowerbud]

And here I go again... instead of main bond, I read man bond... to which I'm like, what? A what bond?

I think I need to get more sleep...

Yeah, Teyla underwent a sex change operation! You need some sleep.

Really? Where did you read that? - Purely out of curiosity here...

Before the premiere of SGA, there were several PR articles on different scifi blogs and an article in the Chicago Tribune.

Gateworld history - it'll happen. Over and over, and over again...

Well, they do say history repeats itself over and over.

[Falcon Horus]

Before the premiere of SGA, there were several PR articles on different scifi blogs and an article in the Chicago Tribune.

Ah, hence why I didn't catch it... I wasn't as into SGA fandom back when it started than I am now.

[Linda06]

There's really no reason why this should turn into a ship war cause let's face it. We were all screwed by TPTB

But yes I was disappointed that they didn't develop JT, but after seeing the way they handled McKeller I'm thankful for small miracles that it wasn't JT that happened to Plus I was really pissed at the way they practically ruined their friendship in season 5, they acted like they barely even knew each other in the last season

I have strange reaction when I hear “relationship”, “TPTB” and “Stargate” in the same sentence because those writers can’t write them.

*facepalm* Ain't that the truth

And Little Lemming, please go get some sleep. I think you're suffering from sleep deprivation

[bluealien]

I have to agree with that particular sentence. Not fond of the way these PTB were lacking in writing relationships (be they of the romantic kind or the friendship kind) and their absolute lacking in writing their lead females... or make that any other character that wasn't McKay (although in the end he wasn't any better off).

And I secretely have to admit that as far as canon relationships go - Teyla/Kanaan FTW!
What, they're cute together. They really are. Even if it was severely lacking in background and writing.

And John/Teyla werent cute together If all the relationships are so badly done on SGA what makes Teyla/Kanaan so special when it seems to have been the worst of the lot. If John/Teyla came out of no where what did that say for Teyla/Kanaan.. Kanaan appeared out of thin air overnight but you don't have a problem with that... John and Teyla had been building up for three years and even Gero admitted that Teyla was talking about having a crush on John in Sunday but alas things all got changed with Rachels pregnancy.. so John and Teyla didnt come out of nowhere and was always intended to be the canon ship but with the change in circumstances for Rachel and certain writers wanting McKay to be a daddy I think the JT relationship sufferered because of that..


It was nice to hear Joe Flanigan say in Australia and New Zealland last year that he would have liked the JT relationship to have been revisited if they had a season 6....

I can understand shippers of other ship preferences not wanting John/Teyla because it interfered with what they would have liked to have happened, but John Teyla definitley had a bond and I have a feeling that if we had gotten a season six the writers would have re-visited JT. I think they realised that Kanaan hadn't turned out all that well and the poor guy was refered to as the baby daddy and nothing more to Teyla at all.. and she would have grown to know that he wasn't the man for her but that John was....

[jelgate]

Something would have to happen between John and Teyla for me to be disappointed

[Falcon Horus]

And Little Lemming, please go get some sleep. I think you're suffering from sleep deprivation

Really...

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Blue - I'm taking your bait... trust me, I appreciate your honesty but sarcasm doesn't become you. Not even that can safe you there.

Be prepared to be surprised:

Two cute moments I'll give you for J/T - both in Rising:
* the moment John's introducing himself to Teyla in the tent - John being adorably funny there
* when JF trips over that root and stumbles down the side of the small hill - I think Teyla actually felt sorry for him for being clumsy

Kanaan and Teyla are cute in a whole different level - they are cute together as a couple. Even with the badly written relationship. I sincerely wished they had not written Rachel's pregnancy into the show. Better yet, they should have temporarily written her out or made her recurring (if she wasn't already). But that's not the point here...

II

Actors say what their fans like to hear.

I have met my fair share of actors (mostly Firefly, but also a few Gaters) and it's rarely that they will say something that people don't want to hear. Listen to the question and find the right answer to that. Keep the fans happy and they will continue to support your show.

PTB are a whole other deal - but considering how they are split into factions and contradict each other at every turn. I don't generally give their messages much thought.

Of course, doesn't mean you can't use all of that as your undefinable proof that your ship is the one and only chosen one on the show. But be aware that all of it is circumstantial evidence, and that usually doesn't hold much value in a court of law either.

III

Why do J/T'ers need proof? There's nothing to proof - you either see it, or you don't. You see it - I don't.

All you who see Kate/Teyla - raise your hand! Or send me a PM if you do, or don't and why - cause it's OT... and yet very much on topic too.

And everyone who sees McKay/Sheppard, Sparky, Ronon/Teyla, McKay/Keller, Ronon/Amelia, Kanaan/Teyla, McKay/Teyla, Ronon/Keller, Sheppard/Todd, ... - where's your proof? Does it need proof? Or are you just happy about watching and enjoying what goes on between your favorite characters on and off-screen?

IV

And everyone who's disappointed about it not happening... would you have wanted it to have turned out like McKeller? Or Teyla/Kanaan? Or worse, Sam/Jack?

Because these are the same people who started with the whole Sam/Jack-teasing and then left it hanging mid-sentence...

What makes you think they would have pulled this one off any better?

[Atlantis4Life]

Wow. Step away for a few hours and...

Okay, can we leave this alone please? Please? I really don't want to see this thread devolve into something it doesn't need to be. Everyone's obviously free to say what they want, and people that prefer other ships have done this, which is great. However, I really believe that this thread does not have to turn into something it wasn't meant to be.

Some people expected to see a "can of worms" as soon as this thread was started, but that is not what this thread has to be. That's not what I expected to see, and again, I hope I don't.

I DO believe that this thread can continue to be pleasant (smiley faces and all) if we choose to let it be that way. Everybody that has commented already has had their say, and we don't need get into a "you prove it" "no, you prove it" type of situation. Again, I don't think that is what this thread was meant to be about.

We've all answered the question of the thread, so perhaps we (that includes me at well) can give it a rest for a bit. I'm just throwing this idea out there for anyone who's also not interested in WW3 and "passing around popcorn" in the hopes of seeing/watching how nasty this thread can get. I don't think that the original poster - scratch that - I hope none of us want to contribute to that sort of thing happening.

Cheers to all.

(P.S. I apologize if that sounded a bit preachy. That is not my intent. I just would like to see us, as adults, be able to get along decently even if we don't agree. I can understand if there are people that don't want to see it that way.)

[bluealien]

Blue - I'm taking your bait... trust me, I appreciate your honesty but sarcasm doesn't become you. Not even that can safe you there.

Oh dear Lord....So my opinion is bait now. If you don't like or agree with what I have to say then maybe it's best just to skip over my post.... but please don't deliberatley try and stir up something thats not there.. you keep saying you don't want this to turn into a ship war but your comments don't really back that up.


The original poster asked if fans were disappointed that JT didnt happen and not about what ships we did see or didn't want to see.. lets try and keep on topic.


Thanks for starting this thread Ragitsu.... It's nice to see a non shippers point of view and I guess there isn't much more for me to say other I agree with you that JT was built up slowly over the years and they would have made a great pairing imo.. so yes I am disappointed that the writers on SGA treated this side of their story telling so happazardly..... it was a huge shame..

[Atlantis4Life]

Falcon, you are correct. We all see what we see.

Blue, you are correct. Simply having an opinion is not bait.

Hopefully this can be the end of this part of the discussion.

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OT: Hey, what do you get when you cross a zebra with a giraffe and a monkey?

Spoiler:

Haha. Made you look.

[Probie]

*facepalm* Ain't that the truth

Thank you! I have my moment.lol

Why I don't have a problem with Kanaan and Teyla? It's because they are in the same level or almost in the same level. I still think Teyla is the problem in this ship (Teyla/John). I mean she's not developped. Don't beat me Teyla's fans. John is too big for her (don't have naughty thoughts please.lol). I can't find my words but I hope you understand me.lol There are many others reasons but I won't do a list because it's not the subject here.

And for the whole canon thing, I never saw it. I always hear on magazines in my country "no ship in SGA". I didn't expect something. So it's also why I'm not disappointed. To be honest, I don't pay attention of what the actors or TPTB said for ships because they said what the fan who asked the question want to hear and because it's not the most important thing on the show. I'm OT again.

To conclude. Like Linda said "We were all screwed by TPTB" and not only when we talk about ship.

[Atlantis4Life]

Thank you! I have my moment.lol

Why I don't have a problem with Kanaan and Teyla? It's because they are in the same level or almost in the same level. I still think Teyla is the problem in this ship (Teyla/John). I mean she's not developped. Don't beat me Teyla's fans. John is too big for her (don't have naughty thoughts please.lol). I can't find my words but I hope you understand me.lol There are many others reasons but I won't do a list because it's not the subject here.

And for the whole canon thing, I never saw it. I always hear on magazines in my country "no ship in SGA". I didn't expect something. So it's also why I'm not disappointed. To be honest, I don't pay attention of what the actors or TPTB said for ships because they said what the fan who asked the question want to hear and because it's not the most important thing on the show. I'm OT again.

To conclude. Like Linda said "We were all screwed by TPTB" and not only when we talk about ship.

That's an interesting perspective. On the flip side of that, the reason why I always that John and Teyla would end up together is because they are so much alike, and very much so on the same level. They are both leaders, fighters, they've both lived through tragedy... I suppose I also won't list all of the reasons... I don't think that the writers and producers were thinking about what they might tell fans when they decided that John/Teyla would be a potential relationship for the show while they were developing it and casting the characters. So, whatever they've said about that, I think, isn't some scheme to tell certain fan factions what they want to hear. It's just honesty.

I can understand that Teyla and Kanaan would have had some things, perhaps a lot of things, in common while growing up together as childhood friends. But, people can grow to take different paths. I'm not sure that Kanaan can really relate to Teyla as a leader since she is the leader of her people. I'm also guessing that all of the time that she's spent on Atlantis and with the Atlantis team is something else that Kanaan can't relate to. However, they did have a child together. So, at some point she was receiving a certain sort of comfort from him that resulted in a little bundle of joy that came along and was named after John Sheppard and Teyla's father Torren.

Teyla was developed to me. However, I concede that she was not developed enough for my taste, but then again, I think that's true for John as well. Having more screen time doesn't necessarily equate to having more development. Falcon wrote a great post about this (quality vs. quantity) on another thread. So, Shep may be "big," but I think Teyla could handle him if they were ever paired together (I'm personally not holding my breath for the movie ).

And as a matter of fact, now that I think of it, I think lack of enough development was an issue for all of the characters on SGA to a certain extent. I won't get into details because that's not what this thread is about. Still, none of this ever kept me from enjoying the show, or the characters, or the adventures that were to come each week.

I do agree with Linda too, though. It would have been nice if the show were handled better at times.

Cheers.

[Probie]

It's not really a problem of "they are alike or not alike". When I said "Teyla and Kanaan are almost in the same level", I wanted to say they are almost "invisible" (sorry for the word) especially in the last season. John is more developed and I don't think put Teyla with him is a good idea because she will be "the girlfriend of John" and I wan tto see more about her.
But if I try to see the things like you (John and Teyla are equal), I still have problems. The most important is the chemistry and I can't find it (not this sort of chemistry)between John and Teyla. But we saw different things and it's good.
the second problem with this ship is there is no continuity. There is nothing during 10 episodes and BAM!, TPTB start to think "Oh crap, we said it's the canon ship so maybe we should put a scene". And this famous scene is always awkward for me because like I said "no continuity" and other things.
I also find awkward to choose a "canon ship" before to have the actors and to see if there is a chemistry (on the show) between them. But it's another subject again. I'm always OT.

I agree with you with the lack of development for all the character but the Teyla one is very obvious for me. One day she's a strong warrior, the next one a scientist and the next one the lady in danger. Again no continuity. Maybe I'm hard with Teyla because I expected very much. On the paper, she's a great character but when I watch the show I can't see it and it's sad because Rachel is an excellent actress. I'm frustrated. Again another topic.

I am more disappointed by the development of Teyla by the fact that she is not with John.
And I'm not anti-Teyla....To be clear.lol

[Linda06]

Really...

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Yes really Is Kitty keeping you up again? I'll have to have a word to Teyla about that

Kanaan and Teyla are cute in a whole different level - they are cute together as a couple. Even with the badly written relationship. I sincerely wished they had not written Rachel's pregnancy into the show. Better yet, they should have temporarily written her out or made her recurring (if she wasn't already). But that's not the point here...

To me Teyla/Kanaan could have been good for Teyla IF it was done properly, but it was hadhazardly thrown together like they didn't care about it.I actually feel sorry for the guy that played Kanaan, they didn't give him much to work with. All he done was stand around most of the time and even that wasn't very long. As you know I'm a JT fan, but first and foremost I'm a Teyla fan and IMO they really screwed up this Teyla/Kanaan storyline. It never got any kind of buildup or any real development which saddened me greatly. It could have been a good thing for Teyla but in the end it was just plain and simply bad But really I shouldn't be that surprised cause Teyla didn't really get any proper development either so it really was a match made in heaven

Why do J/T'ers need proof? There's nothing to proof - you either see it, or you don't. You see it - I don't.

All you who see Kate/Teyla - raise your hand! Or send me a PM if you do, or don't and why - cause it's OT... and yet very much on topic too.

And everyone who sees McKay/Sheppard, Sparky, Ronon/Teyla, McKay/Keller, Ronon/Amelia, Kanaan/Teyla, McKay/Teyla, Ronon/Keller, Sheppard/Todd, ... - where's your proof? Does it need proof? Or are you just happy about watching and enjoying what goes on between your favorite characters on and off-screen?

Yep we all see things differently. Doesn't mean one is wrong and one is right. There is no right and wrong. Just what we as individuals see on screen. After what happened in season 5, TPTB kinda ruined my enjoyment that I had with JT

And everyone who's disappointed about it not happening... would you have wanted it to have turned out like McKeller? Or Teyla/Kanaan? Or worse, Sam/Jack?

Hey I like Jack/Sam thank you very much But I'll give you Teyla/Kanaan and McKeller

OT: Hey, what do you get when you cross a zebra with a giraffe and a monkey?

Spoiler:

Haha. Made you look.

So not funny

Thank you! I have my moment.lol

Why I don't have a problem with Kanaan and Teyla? It's because they are in the same level or almost in the same level. I still think Teyla is the problem in this ship (Teyla/John). I mean she's not developped. Don't beat me Teyla's fans. John is too big for her (don't have naughty thoughts please.lol). I can't find my words but I hope you understand me.lol There are many others reasons but I won't do a list because it's not the subject here.

And for the whole canon thing, I never saw it. I always hear on magazines in my country "no ship in SGA". I didn't expect something. So it's also why I'm not disappointed. To be honest, I don't pay attention of what the actors or TPTB said for ships because they said what the fan who asked the question want to hear and because it's not the most important thing on the show. I'm OT again.

To conclude. Like Linda said "We were all screwed by TPTB" and not only when we talk about ship.

It's not the idea of Teyla/Kanaan that I was disappointed and frustrated at. It was the execution of it. It could have been good if they just got someone in the writing staff who could actually write romance properly

Yeah, you write "John is too big for her" and tell us not to have naughty thoughts? You don't ask for much, do you

Oh believe me, some of us Teyla fans think the same thing, that there was a lack of development where Teyla was concerned so I don't think they'll be many Teyla fans who'll smack you over the head Little Lemming might bite your ankles but that's another story

Is it true that if it#s not on screen it's not canon? If so then the only canon ships were probaly Teyla/Kanaan (although that was hardly on screen so we'll call that quarter canon ), Rodney/Keller (yeah we'll not go there eh ), Carson/Cadman, Rodney/Katie (Hey at least it was better than McKeller ) There are probably others but I can't remember with my goldfish memory