I greatly wish for a Season 6 of SGA, not a movie to wrap it up! Season 5 was too much of a filler season it seemed, I blame Sci Fi, as they seem to cancel many good shows.
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Originally posted by scifinut007 View PostI continue to make phone calls with my kind but firm opinion, why?
Because it gives the studio direct feedback that they cannot ignore, they are a business and have to answer their phones, so even when I get a voice recorder offering to leave a message I do leave one, as it has to get listened to by someone....
when the voice says "you have reached Charels Cohen Or Jeff Pryor"
he may or may not hear it first hand,
if he doesnt his secratay does, can you hear her, "Mr Cohen we just got another viewer asking for Atlantis to come back as a series, and they said they would not be watching SGU, they did see the trailers online and said it sucks", or at the end or the day Mr Cohen asks OK how many Atlantis calls came in to day? she says 50 or 100 1000?
I think we should find more than one # for MGM and set aside 1 day for all to call MGM, everyone should say the same thing say......
"I saw SGU trailers, The show is doomed to fail, Bring back Atlantis as a series, it should never have been let go!"
Yea light up there phones on one day with thousands of phone calls!
I could call once every half hour that day, as I carry my cell with me, and already have 1 # programmed in as MGM.
Say, what do you all think of this? I think it's a great idea -- and pretty easy and cheap too. I have an idea for those outside the US too -- internet faxes -- but that require know the fax number, so hopefully someone can find it and verify it too (Any volunteers?) I think we need to set up a day or a week for this to happen -- though a day or even two would be more effective, if everyone can participate.
Just think, in the very least, you will get to express how you don't like the treatment we've received, and very possibly, at least ensure an SGA movie is made. But given enough of us, and it will really get their attention.Are you a Stargate Atlantis fan who wants to save Stargate Atlantis? Join the campaign to save Atlantis!
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Originally posted by Mimzy View PostI keep saying they would've ultimately made more money having both shows on, but of course they don't think like that
Originally posted by gatebuilders39 View PostThey do need SG-1 Cast to grab viewers, ...
It is odd bringing in SG-1 Cast. SGA cast were going to get a pay rise, that is supposed to be another reason for axing SGA. yet they have bring in Top stars including SG-1 Cast. ...
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I can understand Shanks appearing but why RDA.
they keep telling us things that dont make sense for ending SGA. They keep contridignating
RDA makes more sense than Shanks. O'Neill is head of homeworld security. It makes sense for him to take interest in this. Jackson is a translator...
The old SG1 cast aren't Hollywood movie stars, btw. It's not like they're having Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie appear in multiple eps. The cast of SG1 is relatively inexpensive to guest cast. So that's not a contradiction at all.
Originally posted by domdom View PostITA.
They'd seem the high rates of SGA would be the reason of the cancellation. It's odd. It's the fisrt time I see this in the TV world. The TPTB cancel a show cos its success. The strange thing The writters prepared 5th season to launch the 6th season. Why did they stop this? Cos BW.
Originally posted by domdom View PostIn addition, could you explain me how the TPTB could know how the rates could evolve in the future? I always thought the studios or producers cancelled shows when these ones didn't encounter anymore success, run out if the stream.
Originally posted by domdom View PostI agree series is always better than movie. Alex Levine executive producer on SGA thinks the same.
I can't tell better.
I share all what you said.
I watched the 2 trailers and I found nothing original at all about the 2nd one.
It's a lack of originality and especially when I saw the "girls". WOW
How can we cancel SGA for this?
Where is the "creativity" so announced by the TPTB?
Originally posted by domdom View PostThere is so much lack of creativity they call to help RDA and MS.
Yes I know they did the same to launch SGA the 15 minutes beginning of the pilot.
These trailers didn't give me the desire to watch SGU but brought me a lot of regrets. So I think we must fight to tempt to bring back a quality show on TV screen as series.
Originally posted by scifinut007 View PostI continue to make phone calls with my kind but firm opinion, why?
Because it gives the studio direct feedback that they cannot ignore, they are a business and have to answer their phones, so even when I get a voice recorder offering to leave a message I do leave one, as it has to get listened to by someone....
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I think we should find more than one # for MGM and set aside 1 day for all to call MGM, everyone should say the same thing say......
"I saw SGU trailers, The show is doomed to fail, Bring back Atlantis as a series, it should never have been let go!"
Yea light up there phones on one day with thousands of phone calls!
I could call once every half hour that day, as I carry my cell with me, and already have 1 # programmed in as MGM.
I'm sorry to be "Mr. Bringdown" here, but the point of no return for uncanceling Atlantis came and went when SGU began filming."Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path."
"Those who abandon the path are evil."
"Hallowed are the Ori!"
"Individuals who point the finger and assign blame based on nothing more than their gut instinct are ignorant at best, cretins at worst." -- Joseph Mallozzi
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Originally posted by The Mastage Kidd View PostThey may or may not have made more money with both on the air. But they ran themselves ragged running SG1 and SGA concurrently. They sometimes had 20 hour days because of it and don't want to do it again. SGU was greenlit two years ago, but they didn't want to do both together for this reason. I can respect that.
With the amount of undue hatred toward their new show before the pilot was even written do you blame them for adding SG1 cast to make people give the First episode a chance?
RDA makes more sense than Shanks. O'Neill is head of homeworld security. It makes sense for him to take interest in this. Jackson is a translator...
The old SG1 cast aren't Hollywood movie stars, btw. It's not like they're having Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie appear in multiple eps. The cast of SG1 is relatively inexpensive to guest cast. So that's not a contradiction at all.
Angel was canceled by the network for this reason. MGM and SciFi canceled SGA, not BW. Blaming him is unfair.
Again, TPTB didn't cancel Atlantis. As you yourself said, they wrote season 5 to lead in to season 6. They were as surprised by the cancellation as anyone.
First of all, never trust a trailer. Secondly, you can't judge the creativity of a show based on it's trailer. Trailers are made by the marketing people at the network, not by the people producing the show. Third, they didn;t cancel SGA for this. They canceled sga plain and simple. BW had been promised to make this at whatever time Atlantis was canceled and he called in the marker.
So you say it's lack of creativity to have them now, but not then? They're the two characters from the movie. It would be lacking to not have them appear in the pilot.
This will do nothing but annoy them. SGU has gone to series, and TPTB aren't doing two shows concurrently again, and MGM made up it's mind to cancel Atlantis long ago. You don't know SGU is doomed to fail and are just assuming it is because you're upset Atlantis was canceled. Seriously, you should watch the pilot with an open mind before deciding if you like it or not. As I said before, trailers mean nothing.
I'm sorry to be "Mr. Bringdown" here, but the point of no return for uncanceling Atlantis came and went when SGU began filming.
As for running the two shows at the same time why did BW &RCC need to be involved in atlantis they could have let M&M take over properly and run atlantis leaving them to concentrate on there new show.
As for the hatred towards the new show what did they realy expect after making the kind of statements they have made and the contradiction in the statements they have made? they could have had the best of both worlds if they had used a little bit of empathy and consideration torwards there fan base. and really i thought they were after the wider mainstream audience they need "millions" according to BW.
Im sorry but throwing in SG1 cast when there was supposed to be no crossovers at the begining does not fill me with confidence about the show either. if they started writting this and pitching it 2 years ago why are they changing there minds now? if they had this great creative vision that all party's were happy with then to change it to try and gain viewers could damage the vision of the show by catering to fan demands for older charaters to appear on the show. it most certainly does not feel like a thankyou from TPTB for me more like a grab a fan tactic they went out and got movie star/s a singer and now the trusted fall back item of sg1.
No. i will not give there new show a chance wether atlantis continues in movie form or not as I have lost faith and belief in BW & RCC and have no wish to follow another show by them. it also doesnt help that i dislike sg1 and so that has put me off watching it even more.
and dont worry your not mr bringdown I know they will not bring back atlantis ill be lucky to get 1 movie but that does not mean that i cant make my opinion known or be able to get this stuff of my chest.
those that want to give universe a chance should do so i would never tell anyone not to watch it. but at the same time im getting pretty sick of being told i should give it a chance just because its stargate.
each to there own i suppose i hope Universe turns out the way you hope it will ill continue to look forward to the sga movie/s in 2025 maybesigpic
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Originally posted by stclare View PostNo. i will not give there new show a chance wether atlantis continues in movie form or not as I have lost faith and belief in BW & RCC and have no wish to follow another show by them. it also doesnt help that i dislike sg1 and so that has put me off watching it even more.
But here's the thing. If you have no faith in them, why do you even think more Atlantis would be a good thing? Don't you think they'd just **** it up then?"Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path."
"Those who abandon the path are evil."
"Hallowed are the Ori!"
"Individuals who point the finger and assign blame based on nothing more than their gut instinct are ignorant at best, cretins at worst." -- Joseph Mallozzi
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Originally posted by The Mastage Kidd View PostI'm not going to get into back and forth on all the points. But the "no crossovers" thing was said a pretty long time ago. They're allowed to change their minds. Besides, ignoring previous continuity won't make anyone wo liked the old show like the new one. As long as old cast members make sense on the show, I don;t see the problem.
But here's the thing. If you have no faith in them, why do you even think more Atlantis would be a good thing? Don't you think they'd just **** it up then?sigpic
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Originally posted by stclare View PostJM seems to be the driving force behind the atlantis movie with his writting partner. I have enjoyed eps penned by BW esp the shrine. As ive said i do not want to invest in another show by them, not that i believe them to be bad writters etc. im stuck in a frame of mind where seeing the name Universe just riles me up. it could be the greatest thing since sliced bread but that bad taste will not go away for me at least. time doesnt seem to have eased that feeling either. which is weird because most things just normaly pass me by and i just move on but this one particular thing makes me in the words of J O'Neil "Wacko""Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path."
"Those who abandon the path are evil."
"Hallowed are the Ori!"
"Individuals who point the finger and assign blame based on nothing more than their gut instinct are ignorant at best, cretins at worst." -- Joseph Mallozzi
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Originally posted by The Mastage Kidd View PostThey may or may not have made more money with both on the air. But they ran themselves ragged running SG1 and SGA concurrently. They sometimes had 20 hour days because of it and don't want to do it again. SGU was greenlit two years ago, but they didn't want to do both together for this reason. I can respect that.
With the amount of undue hatred toward their new show before the pilot was even written do you blame them for adding SG1 cast to make people give the First episode a chance?
RDA makes more sense than Shanks. O'Neill is head of homeworld security. It makes sense for him to take interest in this. Jackson is a translator...
The old SG1 cast aren't Hollywood movie stars, btw. It's not like they're having Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie appear in multiple eps. The cast of SG1 is relatively inexpensive to guest cast. So that's not a contradiction at all.
Angel was canceled by the network for this reason. MGM and SciFi canceled SGA, not BW. Blaming him is unfair.
Again, TPTB didn't cancel Atlantis. As you yourself said, they wrote season 5 to lead in to season 6. They were as surprised by the cancellation as anyone.
First of all, never trust a trailer. Secondly, you can't judge the creativity of a show based on it's trailer. Trailers are made by the marketing people at the network, not by the people producing the show. Third, they didn;t cancel SGA for this. They canceled sga plain and simple. BW had been promised to make this at whatever time Atlantis was canceled and he called in the marker.
So you say it's lack of creativity to have them now, but not then? They're the two characters from the movie. It would be lacking to not have them appear in the pilot.
This will do nothing but annoy them. SGU has gone to series, and TPTB aren't doing two shows concurrently again, and MGM made up it's mind to cancel Atlantis long ago.
which was a really bad move IMO... you dont cancel something that is doing well for something totally unproven and give no lead in for it... if BW had let SGA go another season and put some care into the final season, then maybe some fans may have been more open to give SGU a chance....but all he succeeded in doing was dismissing SGA fans with statements about them being too old and then needing a younger audience... (but how they plan on drawing in a younger audience with the average age of the SGU cast older than the SGA one, and now with the older SG1 characters is beyond me, though it doesn't bode well that a guest star has made a statement about SGU turning into a teen drama already) Then we have BW telling SGA fans they'll be happy with anything Stargate as they will be getting their fix.. and not even giving the fans a moment to let the news sink in before announcing their new show..
You don't know SGU is doomed to fail and are just assuming it is because you're upset Atlantis was canceled. Seriously, you should watch the pilot with an open mind before deciding if you like it or not. As I said before, trailers mean nothing.Last edited by bluealien; 16 April 2009, 09:54 AM.sigpic
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Originally posted by bluealien View Postwhich was a really bad move IMO... you dont cancel something that is doing well for something totally unproven and give no lead in for it... if BW had let SGA go another season and put some care into the final season, then maybe some fans may have been more open to give SGU a chance....but all he succeeded in doing was dismissing SGA fans with statements about them being too old and then needing a younger audience... (but how they plan on drawing in a younger audience with the average age of the SGU cast older than the SGU one, and now with the older SG1 characters is beyond me, though it doesn't bode well that a guest star has made a statement about SGU turning into a teen drama already) Then we have BW telling SGA fans they'll be happy with anything Stargate as they will be getting their fix.. and not even giving the fans a moment to let the news sink in before announcing their new show..
Noone knows how SGU will do but I dont see it doing any better than Atlantis.... the pilot will attract more viewers but after that I dont see these writers drawing in more viewers or increasing the ratings... if BSG couldnt maintain any better ratings than SGA then I dont see SGU doing any better..."YOU'RE EASIER THAN THE U.S. CONGRESS."~Nikola
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Originally posted by bluealien View PostBW hasnt been involved in SGA for over 2 years. He handed it over to JM/PM so how could he have been run ragged when he gave most of the workload over to other producers.. this is just another one of the excuses to add to the pile.
Originally posted by bluealien View PostI get so sick of this kind of statement. Most fans who don't want to watch SGU are doing so because it just doesnt interest them. and yes maybe some have just had enough of TPTB and won't put any faith in them again because of the way they have been treated... why would SGA fans have any interest in watching another show that doesn't feature any of their favourite characters or appeal in any way. Why are we expected to love this new concept just because its got Stargate in the name..
Originally posted by bluealien View PostAnd why do they need a translator and is Jackson the only translator in the entire Stargate programme. Again the same for RDA, why him... the only reason is to draw in SG1 viewers as the ptb now feel SGU needs every bit of help it can get because fans aren't jumping up and down with excitment for their new project.
Originally posted by bluealien View PostI'm sure they are more expensive than regular guest stars and if the ptb felt the need to include other SG characters why does it have to be SG1 characters only.. if the can fit in Carter then they could easily have fitted in McKay... don't they think the SGA characters will attract fans as well..
Originally posted by bluealien View PostBW wanted to make SGU for over 2 years and knew last May that SGA would have to go if he was going to be able to make SGU .... yet he failed to pass on this information at Comic Con and even then tried to string along SGA fans by saying if it didnt continue we would definitely get a movie.. so how is that fair....
Originally posted by bluealien View PostAgain BW knew before Comic con that SGA was not going to get a 6th season because he made the decision that he didnt want 2 shows to run smiltaneously.... maybe he chose to keep that info from some of the other producers as well as the fans.. but somehow I doubt that most of them didnt know.. Why was Martin Gero so anxious to get McKay his happy ever after with Keller unless he knew that he wasnt going to get another chance to do so... even the actors said they knew something was up long before they were told
Originally posted by bluealien View PostMGM and Scifi were happy to go with a 6th season of SGA...so again who did that leave with the decision..
Originally posted by bluealien View PostSorry I don't agree. What would be lacking... a new show with its new characters would be lacking because it didnt have characters from a previous series, thats like saying that SG1 was lacking because it didnt have certain characters appear from the movie...
Originally posted by bluealien View PostMGM didnt make its mind up long ago to cancel SGA.. they were happy to go with a season 6.... the show was doing well and making them money but the PTB lost interest in it and wanted something new and pitched their new idea to MGM....and didnt want to make 2 shows at the same time.
Originally posted by bluealien View Postwhich was a really bad move IMO... you dont cancel something that is doing well for something totally unproven and give no lead in for it... if BW had let SGA go another season and put some care into the final season, then maybe some fans may have been more open to give SGU a chance....but all he succeeded in doing was dismissing SGA fans with statements about them being too old and then needing a younger audience... (but how they plan on drawing in a younger audience with the average age of the SGU cast older than the SGA one, and now with the older SG1 characters is beyond me, though it doesn't bode well that a guest star has made a statement about SGU turning into a teen drama already) Then we have BW telling SGA fans they'll be happy with anything Stargate as they will be getting their fix.. and not even giving the fans a moment to let the news sink in before announcing their new show..
Originally posted by bluealien View PostNoone knows how SGU will do but I dont see it doing any better than Atlantis.... the pilot will attract more viewers but after that I dont see these writers drawing in more viewers or increasing the ratings... if BSG couldnt maintain any better ratings than SGA then I dont see SGU doing any better..."Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path."
"Those who abandon the path are evil."
"Hallowed are the Ori!"
"Individuals who point the finger and assign blame based on nothing more than their gut instinct are ignorant at best, cretins at worst." -- Joseph Mallozzi
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