The Political Discussion Thread

[jelgate]

Probably... China has the 4th/5th largest GDP growth rate amongst all nations.

Given the low quality of living among the average Chinese citizen I personally they can keep it up forever.

[Col.Foley]

CHINA - the next world power

China is the world power. There is no next about it. At the best we (the UNited States) are sharing it.

I saw that weird American advert where the Chinese are gloating in 2030 how America are idiots and China rules the world. I think some in the US are a little too paranoid about China.

Gee I wonder why we should be paranoid about China?

Given the low quality of living among the average Chinese citizen I personally they can keep it up forever.

Until they begin to make our mistakes and do the stuff to our economy that they are doing. Though that should not happen for a long time.

[jmoz]

Spoiler:

This provides me the perfect opprotunity to go back to a previous point:

You are talking about headlines, which is meant to grab attention and to get you to read the story. The same thing as ina good book. For example you might get a headline that says 'Catholic priest says that Obama is eating babies and consorting the devil' And then you go to read the story and just come to find out that someone is jsut accusing Obama of these things, has those opinions, or was saying that to prove a metaphorical point about abortion. But yet if you just read the headlines, like you and S...dude...there....sorry me lazy...you can draw any number of conclusions about the content of the article, when the article could not have anything of that content. believe me I have been there.

Repeat a lie often enough and then it will be accepted as truth.

Though mind you there is not a very much repeating of that lie in any serious circles in our Government. Not anymore, they have already done their damage. They have just said it first and then all the 'liberal' and statist friends have gotten together and said 'hey did you know that Fox News is a propoganda arm of the Right Wing.' 'I know I know, that is so horrible man, the Right Wing is so evil and it is toatally a big bummer to be biased.' 'I know dude...hey I think I am going to go tell Jessica man.' 'good idea.'

When the notion that Fox News is a Right Wing propoganda arm has no or microscopically thin bearing in fact. Its just gotten repeated over and over again within all their circles so suddenly walla the truth and the perception is there. When if anyone actually thought, and actually looked at the facts, and actually thought in individual and not collectovist terms then you can quite easily reach the conclusion that, there is no bearing in fact that Fox News is anything other then a News organization that does have diverse opinions on its shows.

Which saying Fox News is a propaganda arm of the GOP is as ridiculous as saying that CNN or MSNBC is the propaganda arm of the Democrats.

Oh and what do you know you agree with Glenn Beck.

Interesting..very interesting.


If you repeat a lie often enough it is going to be fact.

Oh and Fox has an opinion too? Wow.

lol, what? Where's that coming from? Fox is very pro right wing. Most of their news are influenced and followed by the conservative crowd. Are you actually trying to argue that fox news is an impartial news agency? But forget that. Would you say that fox news is very opinionated? Yes or no?

Exactly. But if you listen to certain people in our Government, and certain Governments around the world, Solar panels RIGHT NOW are perfect and viable and the best thing since sliced bread. And then they pour trillions and trillions of dollars into these projects and into this technology that just is not a viable alternative right now. Which just serves to turn people off to solar panels and several other alternatives because it looks as though, correctly, that the Government is trying to force us into something that is inefficient, a money pit, and not good. Which when they finally are and they finally are market viable the markets may say frak you because they do not feel like buying a product that was previously forced on them.

The government is out to make people get solar energy, yeah right. Man why do you hate governments so much? Almost everything you post is making it out that the government is at fault somehow.

Well there is plenty of desert and Artic not being used that could used for solar panels. There is lots of sea as well for wind, wave tidel power. They may be ineffient but they produce 0% waste so lets not rule them out compleatly.

The Arctic would be inefficient place for placing solar panels because the angle of solar radiation is not suitable for effective conversion into useful energy. Plus the maintenance of the thermal subsystems would diminish energy accumulation. Nothing ever has 0% waste, there's always waste products.

[Col.Foley]

lol, what? Where's that coming from? Fox is very pro right wing. Most of their news are influenced and followed by the conservative crowd. Are you actually trying to argue that fox news is an impartial news agency? But forget that. Would you say that fox news is very opinionated? Yes or no?




The government is out to make people get solar energy, yeah right. Man why do you hate governments so much? Almost everything you post is making it out that the government is at fault somehow.



The Arctic would be inefficient place for placing solar panels because the angle of solar radiation is not suitable for effective conversion into useful energy. Plus the maintenance of the thermal subsystems would diminish energy accumulation. Nothing ever has 0% waste, there's always waste products.

Well...it all depends on how you define Right Wing. If you define Right Wing by whatever the Republican Party is (because the Republican Party is the 'Right Wing') Then no. Fox News is only partially pro 'Right Wing' and many times they have been highly critical of the 'Right Wing'. If you define the 'Right Wing' as pro human liberty, pro freedom, less Government control, more individualism and more responsibilty as the more to the right you slide the more Libertarian you get then Fox News is probably the most pro right wing organization out there.

This is playing the game of course that Fox News, an organization, a corporation, is actually sentient and can do anything. Fox News is not a person and it cannot do anything, the people on Fox News can. And the people on Fox News are very opinionated. Pro Obama, anti Obama, liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Progressive, seccessionist, anarchist, communist, socialist, Democrat, Republican. All of these people get to voice their opinions and their view points on the news of the day on Fox News, and on the shows on Fox News. And they are usually treated fairly and with respect by the hosts when they come on no matter their political ideology.

And I would argue that Fox News is impartial in the sense that...again..Fox news can't do anything by itself. And I would also argue that they are impartial because they truly do show opinions all over the map. Maybe they can do it more and show more diverse opinions and I think they should but they do show a diversity of opinions. But they are not impartial in the sense that they are very opinionated all over the map.

Yes they are. And I do not hate anything least of all is the Government. And usually they are at fault somehow, especially in the cases that I have documented and debated.

[jmoz]

They're not all over the map, their conservative opinions far outweigh liberal opinions which are usually just shown as means of counterexamples (to poke holes at with conservative views and show conservative superiority).

[Col.Foley]

They're not all over the map, their conservative opinions far outweigh liberal opinions which are usually just shown as means of counterexamples (to poke holes at with conservative views and show conservative superiority).

So what? They have more Conservatives then they have liberals and I would not say it is far outweigh. And also as for the poking holes sometimes it is the liberal who owns the Conservative in debate and the Conservative just does something that is really really really stupid. If they are able to have holes poked in it by the Conservative argument its not Fox's fault (again a corporation) it is the fault of the liberal for having the weaker argument. As when if a Conservative has an argument that is able to have holes poked in it it is not the Liberals fault and the liberal should poke holes in it...how dare they expose the flaws of people's logic.

[jmoz]

At least you hopefully accept Fox is more of a conservative mindset than anything.

Lemme ask you something different. Say there's a Soviet international back during the cold war and there's some communism vs democracy situation thing going on. He usually watches his country's news and their biased newscasts. He has the opportunity to watch the democratic viewpoint but prefers to watch his soviet-influenced news agency. He offers his take on the situation to some reporter, which is heavily influenced by his mindset and exposure to biased based media. How much would you value his opinion on the situation? When you know it will be heavily influenced by communistic ideals and media exposure. How much would you value his opinions?

[Col.Foley]

At least you hopefully accept Fox is more of a conservative mindset than anything.

Lemme ask you something different. Say there's a Soviet international back during the cold war and there's some communism vs democracy situation thing going on. He usually watches his country's news and their biased newscasts. He has the opportunity to watch the democratic viewpoint but prefers to watch his soviet-influenced news agency. He offers his take on the situation to some reporter, which is heavily influenced by his mindset and exposure to biased based media. How much would you value his opinion on the situation? When you know it will be heavily influenced by communistic ideals and media exposure. How much would you value his opinions?

Well...yeah. But again they are all over the map, quite literally, when they do show opinions and have people working for them from all side of the aisle. But their main line ups on both Fox News and Fox Buisness does tend to be more Conservative/ Libertarian side of the spectrum.

I think this is quite literally compairing apples to ice cream sundays, but I do not think I would value their opinions that heavily, no.

[jmoz]

lol

[Col.Foley]

lol

glad I can amuse?

[jmoz]

always

[jmoz]

Should idle armed forces be used to police the streets and help fight organized crime?

[lordofseas]

Should idle armed forces be used to police the streets and help fight organized crime?

No. The military should never act as police. Former members of the military can become police officers, but if you're still part of the military, no.

[jmoz]

Why not? Undergo some police training and do a lease of more manpower to the police that's already being paid for by the government.

[lordofseas]

Why not? Undergo some police training and do a lease of more manpower to the police that's already being paid for by the government.

Chain of command, for one. Dog with two masters. Ship with two Captains. Clock with two hour hands. None of these scenarios ends up well.