THE ORVILLE: News/Trailers/Discussion/SPOILERS

[Spimman]

Isn't that part of the fun of this show though? He's having a bad day, like we all do, and so he slouches into his office (the bridge) and kinda throws himself into his chair (the captains seat) with a sigh and gets to work. He's not military, he's just a normal guy that is the captain of a small ship in the future.

[Kilgharrah]

Not military?
Aren't all captains officers?
He has the rank of commander and so does his ex wife whose walk is much more officer like.

[P-90_177]

Not military?
Aren't all captains officers?
He has the rank of commander and so does his ex wife whose walk is much more officer like.

Civilian ships still have Captains and lower ranks of officer.

But the Union in Orville is the same as Starfleet in Star Trek. They are not military organisations. They do have the capability to bring force to bare when necessary but a military implies that it is an organisation which is solely intended for attack and defence. That is not what is depicted in both universes.

[aretood2]

Civilian ships still have Captains and lower ranks of officer.

But the Union in Orville is the same as Starfleet in Star Trek. They are not military organisations. They do have the capability to bring force to bare when necessary but a military implies that it is an organisation which is solely intended for attack and defence. That is not what is depicted in both universes.

Picard pointed that out more than once but I still find this funny though. Not a military but can still hold ground with the most militaristic civilizations in the known galaxy...

[P-90_177]

Picard pointed that out more than once but I still find this funny though. Not a military but can still hold ground with the most militaristic civilizations in the known galaxy...

It's not as strange as you might think. It's merely a concept we haven't adopted in our modern day yet. We don't have an organisation like it which is so highly rooted in science and humanitarian ideals, but is so far out onto the edge of what is known that it has to know how to defend itself. Starfleet and the Union put science, diplomacy and exploration first, but while that might sacrifice the kind of single minded combativeness that comes from a military machine (as demonstrated in the shows with the Klingons or Krill) it is more than made up for by those science and diplomatic traits. The scientific focus allows the Federation to be more advanced technologically, even when you consider the main founders, humans, began as less so than their neighbours; while the diplomacy ensures that the Federation grows more freely and easily than via conquest and ensures that the benefits of working with the federation far outweigh the downsides (for the most part). Of course we still see those same officers as being trained in military tactics and all their ships are well armed... but the reason why they aren't considered military is that they do not rely on this first.

[Annoyed]

It also makes sense that an interstellar society of their level would combine the exploratory function with the defense function; it's simply intelligent expenditure of resources. Why have two separate fleets, each with some of the same capabilities?

[P-90_177]

It also makes sense that an interstellar society of their level would combine the exploratory function with the defense function; it's simply intelligent expenditure of resources. Why have two separate fleets, each with some of the same capabilities?

Indeed. Interestingly, and loosely related to what you mentioned, Annoyed, when NASA first starting sending people into space one of the things they discovered as missions got longer was that it was increasingly difficult to keep crew's mind's adequately stimulated and occupied. That's why they started to run so many scientific endeavours with each mission. But by the time they got to Skylab, they'd actually taken it too far and the crew of Skylab found themselves overwhelmed with work. They basically had no downtime and practically mutinied.

Meanwhile it's also a growing belief among psychologists that part of the reason why the modern day has seen such a rapid rise of mental health issues like depression and anxiety(besides them being more readily recognised) is because many jobs and indeed life in general is built around highly repetitive tasks with very little variety.

So when you think about it, in a future like Star Trek it makes sense for everyone to be polymaths, particularly when on a starship. We haven't seen such evidence of this in The Orville yet, but certainly in Trek almost all Starfleet chracters have multiple specialisations and interests. Merging intellectual scientific discourse with military-like drills would be a great way of ensuring crews remain stimulated during voyages and it's almost a happy accident that comes from necessity.

[Kilgharrah]

Civilian ships still have Captains and lower ranks of officer.

But the Union in Orville is the same as Starfleet in Star Trek. They are not military organisations. They do have the capability to bring force to bare when necessary but a military implies that it is an organisation which is solely intended for attack and defence. That is not what is depicted in both universes.

Didn't know that.

So has anyone heard the news?

[Spimman]

Also unlike the Enterprise, the Orville is a mid-class ship and by no means the Flagship of the Union.

[Spimman]

Yaphit -

[Spimman]

"We should get some music in these elevators. Little soundtrack to our lives."

Little things like this that I love so much! Don't watch if you haven't seen Cupids Dagger as it has some spoilers.

[Kilgharrah]

Just watched episode 8. The show is feeling more and more like TOS with every episode. I love it.

[jelgate]

What do you do? Ride the elevator all day

[TOIVA]

Gotta say the Orville is still fun. And this 9th episode really worked for me. Darulio's actor for instance was almost magnetic in his performance.

[Spimman]

Found the song