Ori Supergate

[boyd22]

Am I missing something, or couldnt we just take the Supergate out of the equasion. In "Pegasus Project" we saw how easily a Gate connects to another Galaxy once it is near a Blackhole. So with this method you could get a connection to Destiny, where you can actually send something through.

Send a jumper packed full of supplies. Would a jumper even fit in Destiny's gate room?

[morbosfist]

Send a jumper packed full of supplies. Would a jumper even fit in Destiny's gate room?

Sure it would, but you'd have nowhere to park it and no way to get it outside the ship except by Stargate.

[Aesjos]

Am I missing something, or couldnt we just take the Supergate out of the equasion. In "Pegasus Project" we saw how easily a Gate connects to another Galaxy once it is near a Blackhole. So with this method you could get a connection to Destiny, where you can actually send something through.

A potential problem is varying the energy level does seem to change how far the kawoosh goes or doesn't go based on previous episodes of SG-1, so there would be a danger in connecting two normal gates using the energy from a blackhole, of cutting a nice tube shaped section out of the entire ship in front of the Stargate.

If they decide to end the series early this could be one way to do it. The brain dead scientists that think CBR comes from somewhere in particular instead of everywhere get the idea to connect with a blackhole, everyone gets excited that they're going to go home, the ship gets completely gutted by a crazy kawoosh and everyone dies.

[General Jumper One]

A potential problem is varying the energy level does seem to change how far the kawoosh goes or doesn't go based on previous episodes of SG-1, so there would be a danger in connecting two normal gates using the energy from a blackhole, of cutting a nice tube shaped section out of the entire ship in front of the Stargate.

The kawoosh doesn't go any farther than it would on normal power

[Aesjos]

The kawoosh doesn't go any farther than it would on normal power

There's been lots of episodes where issues with the power have caused the kawoosh to act weirdly.

[geddarkstorm]

My interpretation is that the black hole provides no power what so ever. What it does provide is time dilation. So, a very small amount of power is needed to open what would be a nanosecond connection between the gates, but because the black hole has dilated time so much on the sending gate's side, to the receiving gate hundreds of years could pass before that nanosecond is up. Now, how would you send ships through without having them also experience the dilation? Either they are immune to it (generating a counter dilation), or the effect is by sending the worm hole through the black hole so you distort the physics of the worm hole without distorting anything passing through (how gate time travel worked, in a way).

I just don't see how you can generate power from a black hole, unless it's talking about gravity related potential energy (magically), or you're sitting in the high powered radiation jet streams shooting out of a black hole's poles caused by the inward falling mass/light shedding angular momentum.

[tomstone]

My interpretation is that the black hole provides no power what so ever. What it does provide is time dilation. So, a very small amount of power is needed to open what would be a nanosecond connection between the gates, but because the black hole has dilated time so much on the sending gate's side, to the receiving gate hundreds of years could pass before that nanosecond is up. Now, how would you send ships through without having them also experience the dilation? Either they are immune to it (generating a counter dilation), or the effect is by sending the worm hole through the black hole so you distort the physics of the worm hole without distorting anything passing through (how gate time travel worked, in a way).

I just don't see how you can generate power from a black hole, unless it's talking about gravity related potential energy (magically), or you're sitting in the high powered radiation jet streams shooting out of a black hole's poles caused by the inward falling mass/light shedding angular momentum.

Sam mentioned that when the SGC was connected to a black hole. Though radio transmissions where only slightly affacted when they did it in "Pegasus Project". So maybe we would at least be able to exchange some data while doing that.

Also, as boyd22 mentioned, they could send a Jumper, but since there is the Time dialation difference and the fact that the Shuttle is to big, they could send a small package through by simply giving it a rocket boost and start it before beaming it right in front of the event horizon.

The Black hole got to deliver some power, otherwise that connection would be near to impossible. So the package should make it through before the connection breaks.

Altough before actually trying that, I would really suggest to learn how to disconnect a Gate in that state. I cant remember if they ever actually disconnected from a black hole connection. They disconnected the Pegasus Gate with ease when it came to the Ori, but in SG1 they needed to make the Wormhole Jump so another Planet is doomed.

[Ekras]

We have no idea what would happen if something passed through the event horizon of the Supergate. Imagine putting an Ori Mothership through the supergate. Would you expect an Ori mothership of the same size to come out on the other end? No. We also don't know what the tidal effects of the black hole through the supergate would have on the receiving gate, on Destiny.

Actually they should come out the same size, etc. This was shown in SG-1 when (old) Orlan created the mini-gate in Carters basement. He emerged through a regular gate no better or worse than if he had gone through one on Earth.

[tomstone]

Actually they should come out the same size, etc. This was shown in SG-1 when (old) Orlan created the mini-gate in Carters basement. He emerged through a regular gate no better or worse than if he had gone through one on Earth.

Yeah, but he was one of the Creators and we are noobs.

[boyd22]

Sam mentioned that when the SGC was connected to a black hole. Though radio transmissions where only slightly affacted when they did it in "Pegasus Project". So maybe we would at least be able to exchange some data while doing that.

Also, as boyd22 mentioned, they could send a Jumper, but since there is the Time dialation difference and the fact that the Shuttle is to big, they could send a small package through by simply giving it a rocket boost and start it before beaming it right in front of the event horizon.

The Black hole got to deliver some power, otherwise that connection would be near to impossible. So the package should make it through before the connection breaks.

Altough before actually trying that, I would really suggest to learn how to disconnect a Gate in that state. I cant remember if they ever actually disconnected from a black hole connection. They disconnected the Pegasus Gate with ease when it came to the Ori, but in SG1 they needed to make the Wormhole Jump so another Planet is doomed.

Think the only way they've come up with is completely vaporizing the gate by beaming a Mark IX directly behind it.

[tomstone]

Think the only way they've come up with is completely vaporizing the gate by beaming a Mark IX directly behind it.

That explosion would translate through the gate. Not a very good idea in this case.

[garhkal]

Yeah, but he was one of the Creators and we are noobs.

Plus the one he built was closer to the regular size than a regular one to a supergate are... So perhaps it is based on ratios..

[Abiron]

I would think that you could send anything through the supergate that would fit through a normal stargate. If you tried to send a starship through the supergate to a normal-scale gate, I believe it would either A) enter the buffer and just stay there, since the recieving gate is not large enough to either recieve or reconstruct the matter in the buffer, or B) overload and destroy the recieving gate, for the same reasons. It's been established that the recieving gate will not reconstruct the matter in the buffer unless it can do so completely; a cylindrical coring of the starship would not exit the recieving gate.

If this is accurate, then if the supergate could dial Destiny, supplies could be sent through. Maybe even a jumper...

[Gurluas]

Imagine being able to use a Jumper for missions where it feels more practical than the shuttle.
It would be quite crammed in the Gateroom though.

[garhkal]

I would think that you could send anything through the supergate that would fit through a normal stargate. If you tried to send a starship through the supergate to a normal-scale gate, I believe it would either A) enter the buffer and just stay there, since the recieving gate is not large enough to either recieve or reconstruct the matter in the buffer, It's been established that the recieving gate will not reconstruct the matter in the buffer unless it can do so completely; a cylindrical coring of the starship would not exit the recieving gate.

That is an interesting point. We do know gates don't rematerialize stuff unless it isfully through, and even then (Teal'c in seaso 6 iirc) not then. So we don't know if sending stuff through will even go through.. or just be stored.