Hive Ship Vs Battlestar Pegasus

[Mister Oragahn]

look at the nuking caprica gets in the mini series http://erika.fisherking.org/files/caprica.jpg
admitedly thats about 10 nukes

A hive even a fleet of hives couldnt do that in the pic you showed the hive hast done that in one shot

You have to consider that the Cylons did this with nukes, which is not their standard weapon. Their standard weapon is a form of missile, which is not nuclear, but I assume has some armour penetration properties.
On the other hand, what you see executed by the hiveship is done with the ship's standard weapons, and it has many of them.

You also have to consider that the curvature on the picture you provided is actually hard to notice.
Make a rectangle of the same proportions, and zoom on my picture and try to obtain the same curvature, and you'll see that suddenly, that small white spot - that is probably the result of explosions and dust clouds blocking large amounts of light - is suddenly larger.

Or do the reverse and reduce in size the BSG picture, until it fits with the curvature of the planet, and compare the size of the explosions.

I doubt you will still say that the Basestars had more firepower than hiveships.

Besides, there were several Basestars.

[ha'tak_]

The official length of a hiveship has been 11 km.

The Pegasus is, at best, over one kilometer in length.

They have never been used to deal with such massive targets, and would probably end wasting ammo without knowing what to hit in particular.

i was talking it was little bigger then the deadalus

[Ed]

You have to consider that the Cylons did this with nukes, which is not their standard weapon. Their standard weapon is a form of missile, which is not nuclear, but I assume has some armour penetration properties.
On the other hand, what you see executed by the hiveship is done with the ship's standard weapons, and it has many of them.

You also have to consider that the curvature on the picture you provided is actually hard to notice.
Make a rectangle of the same proportions, and zoom on my picture and try to obtain the same curvature, and you'll see that suddenly, that small white spot - that is probably the result of explosions and dust clouds blocking large amounts of light - is suddenly larger.

Or do the reverse and reduce in size the BSG picture, until it fits with the curvature of the planet, and compare the size of the explosions.

I doubt you will still say that the Basestars had more firepower than hiveships.

Besides, there were several Basestars.

Fair point but it shows the nukes are still very big (assuming colonial and cylon nukes are comparable) if they can be seen from space they may be smaller than hive guns but not by more than one or two magnitudes and they have a much better more acurate delivery system the vipers/raptor.

Basicly as a carrier pegasus>> hive
as a battleship Hive >>> pegasus

So it all depends on range but the battlestar has a potentaly more precise FTL. BSG FTLs are as acurate as your number crunching the equations used are less acurate at longer distances because they are based on relative star positions or "star fixes", this gives it the edge in deployment it also is more manuverable look at exodus it flies right up on base starrs ass the comes round and flies into another hives are stationary in combat they have never moved in any wsy except a slow straight line only crusiers move.

i was talking it was little bigger then the deadalus

pegasus is somewhat over 1km deadalus is ~750m so your both right

[Mister Oragahn]

Fair point but it shows the nukes are still very big (assuming colonial and cylon nukes are comparable) if they can be seen from space they may be smaller than hive guns but not by more than one or two magnitudes...

Which means they'll have hard times threatening a hiveship, especially in the case of nukes being weaker by 2 OOMs.

and they have a much better more acurate delivery system the vipers/raptor.

Which can be shot down by the Darts.

Basicly as a carrier pegasus>> hive
as a battleship Hive >>> pegasus

It depends if you want to consider all the ships a hiveship can carry. You know that we've also seen another type of Wraith ship which may have greater abilities than the Darts.

So it all depends on range but the battlestar has a potentaly more precise FTL.

Nothing proves that Wraith accuracy for FTL jumps is poor.

BSG FTLs are as acurate as your number crunching the equations used are less acurate at longer distances because they are based on relative star positions or "star fixes", this gives it the edge in deployment it also is more manuverable look at exodus it flies right up on base starrs ass the comes round and flies into another hives are stationary in combat they have never moved in any wsy except a slow straight line only crusiers move.

In a case where once again the Pegasus is given the luxury of observing the enemy and deciding when to attack, and do it by surprise.
I reject this scenario because it's only cooked to give the Pegasus an upper hand in a biased scenario.

[jnadreth]

Don't forget Hives can carry 3 Wraith Cruisers

[Mister Oragahn]

They don't carry them, they are flanked by a certain number of cruisers, from two to three, in some cases, and can grab them with their big docking/boarding claws, but they don't store them inside.

[jnadreth]

I think that the attach themselves to the outer hull-maybe in that hollow bit in the middle of the hive-(Like shown on the Daedalus schematic with the big blue hive with the Orange 304 in the centre)

[Quickoz]

This is a side track but bear with me, What was the Standard make up of a Battlestar Group?? A battle group of Hives would be around 5-8 w/ 10+ criusers wouldnt it??

[Mister Oragahn]

This is a side track but bear with me, What was the Standard make up of a Battlestar Group?? A battle group of Hives would be around 5-8 w/ 10+ criusers wouldnt it??

A Battlestar group? We've never observed such a thing. All we can know is the amount of fighters and bombers a given class of ship may have at a certain time.

Same for hives, there's no military fixed number of hives to constitue a given formation of ships.

[Ed]

Which means they'll have hard times threatening a hiveship, especially in the case of nukes being weaker by 2 OOMs.



Which can be shot down by the Darts.

Which would be mascred by vipers first

It depends if you want to consider all the ships a hiveship can carry. You know that we've also seen another type of Wraith ship which may have greater abilities than the Darts.

What scout ships they only carry scout ships and darts

Nothing proves that Wraith accuracy for FTL jumps is poor.

If it was acurate enugh that it could be used tacticaly im sure they would have done it in the seige Wraith FTL is poor in general they have to make cool down stops

only SG race that uses FTL tacticaly is the lost tribe.

In a case where once again the Pegasus is given the luxury of observing the enemy and deciding when to attack, and do it by surprise.
I reject this scenario because it's only cooked to give the Pegasus an upper hand in a biased scenario.

Well actualy this is relavant in any scenario except one where they meet each other within the hives wepon range which would favour the hive a long range battle favours the pegasus

[thekillman]

look say we're in the void, and a mysterious time/space/dimension rift appears, and a hive and the BSP emerge. they are just outside weaponsrage. both are alone xcept the ships they are known to carry.


thats a scenario. tell me, which wins. me? hive. just opens up with a volley, blasting the pegasus to utter hell

[Mister Oragahn]

Which would be mascred by vipers first

No quite. There's no evidence that under a hundred Vipers at best, could take care of the whole swarm of Darts an 11 km long ship could contain.
Plus the Wraith soldiers are not as single minded as the Raiders.

What scout ships they only carry scout ships and darts

You answered your own question.

If it was acurate enugh that it could be used tacticaly im sure they would have done it in the seige Wraith FTL is poor in general they have to make cool down stops

That the engines need to cool down says absolutely nothing about their accuracy. Be All My Sins Remember'd has proven that despite the ships' sizes, they just as accurate as the others to allow a coordinated fleet jump in orbit of a planet, a very few kms away from the enemy fleet.

only SG race that uses FTL tacticaly is the lost tribe.

Because they wanted to do it quickly. They still appeared quite far from the city, and they had the ability to penetrate the city's shield. The Wraith did not.

You can also count the Tau'ri, when using the unstable hyperdrive of a F-302 to fly under the shield of Anubis' ship.

The Goa'uld, who have been able to use a scout ship to fly an asteroid through Earth when they barely had enough energy to do so, or jump out of hyperspace right on top of their target.

Well actualy this is relavant in any scenario except one where they meet each other within the hives wepon range which would favour the hive a long range battle favours the pegasus

Not at all, since the hiveship would know where its target is as well, and would jump appropriately to get this target into weapon range. It would get as comedic as the Colonial Raptors arriving at a location where the hiveship is not present anymore, only to realize that once they jump back, the Pegasus is just a bunch of debris.

And please, try to type correct sentences.

[Ed]

No quite. There's no evidence that under
a hundred Vipers at best, could take care of the whole swarm of Darts an 11 km long ship could contain.
Plus the Wraith soldiers are not as single minded as the Raiders.

one pegasus caries 120 vipers at full strengh (we are assuming both ships at full strengh?) and looking at a dart "swarm" from the queen the wriath dont deploy that many in one go also very little of a hive is dart bays
see cross section origionaly from mgm

Spoiler:

The vipers dont have to kill all the darts just get some raptors or nuke equiped vipers past the dart screen the screen isnt all that deep

You answered your own question.

Scout ships havent even been shown to have wepons let alone be good in combat.

That the engines need to cool down says absolutely nothing about their accuracy. Be All My Sins Remember'd has proven that despite the ships' sizes, they just as accurate as the others to allow a coordinated fleet jump in orbit of a planet, a very few kms away from the enemy fleet.

It says alot about the FTL tech colonial ftl is so good the speed of the nav computer is the limiting factor.

Because they wanted to do it quickly. They still appeared quite far from the city, and they had the ability to penetrate the city's shield. The Wraith did not.

If they had acurate hyperdrive they cold have flown suicide scout ships past the atlantis sheild

You can also count the Tau'ri, when using the unstable hyperdrive of a F-302 to fly under the shield of Anubis' ship.

Fair point

The Goa'uld, who have been able to use a scout ship to fly an asteroid through Earth when they barely had enough energy to do so, or jump out of hyperspace right on top of their target.

No SG1 flew through earth and thats easy its just a straight line past earth no precision required.

Not at all, since the hiveship would know where its target is as well, and would jump appropriately to get this target into weapon range. It would get as comedic as the Colonial Raptors arriving at a location where the hiveship is not present anymore, only to realize that once they jump back, the Pegasus is just a bunch of debris.

Hives take time to fire see last man and your biasing the scenario Hive knows where pegasus is.

[jnadreth]

Darts have been able to remove ZedPMs from the Asuran city with their culling beam-could they not start taking chunks out of a Battlestar????????????

[Ed]

They wouldnt even get close have you seen its flack barier and darts can be killed by light machine guns.