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    #46
    [QUOTE=Teddybrown;12869286]In real life, no, but in the Whoverse, anythings possible!

    Looks like they are doing the secret messages in the Fourth Dimension again...
    Heres what was found
    “When Reason Slept
    Not sure what this one means. But the has not been reasonable for a long time with his enemies.
    When Mothers Wept
    When Amy cried in the episode before last when her daughter was taken.

    When soldiers Crept
    The solders under the doctor command crept into that asteroid base.

    The Monsters came”
    That sound like the next episode. Which was looking like a self contained story, but may be it is not self contained after all and is part of the bigger story.


    As for the Doctors death, I will stand my ground till proven wrong =P lol
    Good for you.
    Last edited by knowles2; 28 August 2011, 04:35 AM.

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      #47
      Originally posted by Teddybrown View Post
      I also dont think her timeline has been completely shown, because if we are following in the timeline of each time the Doctor meets River/Mels, River is younger, next time we see River, it should be Mels...
      And we know the Doctor has never met Mels before this point as she would have recognised him in the cornfield...
      She did say it was the first time they had met, so would have been rude to kill him then. We also know that Amy created small Doctor dolls so I don't think she'd have any trouble recognising him especially when he's the only person there (other than her parents) standing in front of a blue police box.
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      Anyone got any ideas on the fish custard or tuxedo? The TARDIS voice interactive program pointed this out, as I thought it would have been a cure but he still died, so I'm wondering when that will be explained because bit strange that with 32 minutes left to live, he'd rush off to do something.

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        #48
        Also, shouldnt River remember it was her in the spacesuit, or recognise it?
        She did connect a few of the dots after she fire her gun at it, she said "of cause not" this points to her putting together the events an recognising what is happening. So river from that point onwards, knows who kills the doctor.

        Which given the info at the moment the most sensibly answer is Meloney.

        Memory wipes or memory manipulation could also explain why she attempted to do the same thing in the future or it could just be the simplistic programming of her, so even through she kills the doctor once, when she sees him alive she attempts to do the same thing again, and will do so every time she meets him, until the programming is remove.

        Anyone got any ideas on the fish custard or tuxedo? The TARDIS voice interactive program pointed this out, as I thought it would have been a cure but he still died, so I'm wondering when that will be explained because bit strange that with 32 minutes left to live, he'd rush off to do something.
        I thought the same as you, that it would be a cure.

        The only idea I can come up with, is that the events of that evening was enough to make Amy fall in love with him and spends her entire life running after him. Perhaps it was the Tardis way of telling the doctor he needed to do something similar with Mel/River Song, so that she feel in love with the doctor there and then and sacrifice her own immortality to bring him back alive.
        In a way it was a cure, just not directly. The tux is then the equivalent of the custard and fish fingers.

        Love the voice interface mode of the Tardis, I think this season has given us more information and features of the Tardis than any other season I have watch.
        Last edited by knowles2; 28 August 2011, 04:34 AM.

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          #49
          Originally posted by knowles2 View Post
          I thought the same as you, that it would be a cure.

          The only idea I can come up with, is that the events of that evening was enough to make Amy fall in love with him and spends her entire life running after him. Perhaps it was the Tardis way of telling the doctor he needed to do something similar with Mel/River Song, so that she feel in love with the doctor there and then and sacrifice her own immortality to bring him back alive.
          In a way it was a cure, just not directly.


          Love the voice interface mode of the Tardis, I think this season has given us more information and features of the Tardis than any other season I have watch.
          as for the tux, the doctor wanted to go out in style ?
          People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint... it happens to kinda look like the name 'Jeremy Bearimy' in cursive English.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Billz View Post
            I'm looking forward to seeing that.
            There is no evidence to prove at the moment that

            a) The person in the spacesuit coming out of the water is Melody, and isn't in fact someone else

            b) The Spacesuit found in that warehouse is the same one that came out of the water.

            It's all based on assumptions. There is no proof, sorry .

            But i'm sure we'll find out by the end of the season.

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              #51
              Originally posted by Demoniser View Post
              There is no evidence to prove at the moment that

              a) The person in the spacesuit coming out of the water is Melody, and isn't in fact someone else

              b) The Spacesuit found in that warehouse is the same one that came out of the water.

              It's all based on assumptions. There is no proof, sorry .

              But i'm sure we'll find out by the end of the season.
              except the tesselecta crew said, melody pond was the person who killed the doctor, and that the doctors death was a fixed point, destined to happen at the lake in utah
              People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint... it happens to kinda look like the name 'Jeremy Bearimy' in cursive English.

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                #52
                Originally posted by Demoniser View Post
                There is no evidence to prove at the moment that

                a) The person in the spacesuit coming out of the water is Melody, and isn't in fact someone else

                b) The Spacesuit found in that warehouse is the same one that came out of the water.

                It's all based on assumptions. There is no proof, sorry .

                But i'm sure we'll find out by the end of the season.
                There no proof, apart from everything we have been told so far saying Rive Song/meloney is that one that kills the doctor, the people in the robots thought so, the doctor thinks so, it the only explanation that makes any sense, and anything else will just add more story and more details to a story that is already pretty complicated story for what essentially a kid programme. Last night episode simplified that story a little and connected the dots together.
                It makes little sense in my mind that the writers would throw in more plot twists on this thread of the story.
                Last edited by knowles2; 28 August 2011, 06:05 AM.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by knowles2 View Post
                  There no proof, apart from everything we have been told so far saying Rive Song/meloney is that one that kills the doctor, the people in the robots thought so, the doctor thinks so, it the only explanation that makes any sense, and anything else will just add more story and more details to a story that is already pretty complicated story for what essentially a kid programme. Last night episode simplified that story a little and connected the dots together.
                  It makes little sense in my mind that the writers would through in more plot twists on this thread of the story.
                  FAMILY show.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Alan View Post
                    FAMILY show.
                    its a good point, regardless of its audience its getting mighty complicated
                    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint... it happens to kinda look like the name 'Jeremy Bearimy' in cursive English.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by stargatefan234 View Post
                      its a good point, regardless of its audience its getting mighty complicated
                      But thats Moffats style though! Lol

                      By the way Knowles2, just to point out, its Melody, not Meloney Unless your talking about someone else?

                      As most of you probably know, Im part of the camp who think its not River in the suit killing the Doctor.
                      Your points are valid on how it could be River, some of the evidence is pointing towards her, but consider this, has history been wrong before? What Im trying to say is, could all the historical records on that days event be wrong? Maybe all the records say it was River Song who did it, but really, it wasnt... Maybe the Tesselectar crews data is wrong?

                      There is no evidence to prove at the moment that

                      a) The person in the spacesuit coming out of the water is Melody, and isn't in fact someone else

                      b) The Spacesuit found in that warehouse is the same one that came out of the water.

                      It's all based on assumptions. There is no proof, sorry .

                      But i'm sure we'll find out by the end of the season.
                      I agree with these points.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by knowles2 View Post
                        There no proof, apart from everything we have been told so far saying Rive Song/meloney is that one that kills the doctor, the people in the robots thought so, the doctor thinks so, it the only explanation that makes any sense, and anything else will just add more story and more details to a story that is already pretty complicated story for what essentially a kid programme. Last night episode simplified that story a little and connected the dots together.
                        It makes little sense in my mind that the writers would throw in more plot twists on this thread of the story.
                        Even though it isn't actually a kids show, it has been my experience that Kids understand the temporal shinanigans of the Doctor even better than most adults.
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                          #57
                          So the Silence is also a religious order. Bloody hell there's a lot of those about this series.......

                          A religious sect who believe that the Universe ends when a question is asked..

                          Well what if the question really is
                          Spoiler:
                          "what is the Doctor's name"


                          Why should he be more important then any other Timelord from Galifrey? I find that a bit egotistical to think he and only he could have such power over the whole universe where there were other Timelords who had done far more powerful things like Rassilon and such. And yet we know his name so why is there no drama when you mention the name Rassilon out loud?
                          Go home aliens, go home!!!!

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                            #58
                            I wouldn't mind seeing Jenny come back. I wonder where in space/time she is?
                            Go home aliens, go home!!!!

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Coco Pops View Post
                              So the Silence is also a religious order. Bloody hell there's a lot of those about this series.......

                              A religious sect who believe that the Universe ends when a question is asked..

                              Well what if the question really is
                              Spoiler:
                              "what is the Doctor's name"


                              Why should he be more important then any other Timelord from Galifrey? I find that a bit egotistical to think he and only he could have such power over the whole universe where there were other Timelords who had done far more powerful things like Rassilon and such. And yet we know his name so why is there no drama when you mention the name Rassilon out loud?
                              In the Season 25 stories Remembrance of the Daleks and Silver Nemesis, there were hints that the Doctor was far more than just another Time Lord...that he might have had a bigger part to play in Gallifreyan history and also particularly during The Dark Times and The Time of Chaos.

                              If indeed the question is "Doctor who?" then the answers: the Doctor's secrets, his history and his very name might be terrible enough for him to want to keep as hidden and as buried as possible.

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                              K-9, CLASS and much more...

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Coco Pops View Post
                                So the Silence is also a religious order. Bloody hell there's a lot of those about this series.......

                                A religious sect who believe that the Universe ends when a question is asked..

                                Well what if the question really is
                                Spoiler:
                                "what is the Doctor's name"


                                Why should he be more important then any other Timelord from Galifrey? I find that a bit egotistical to think he and only he could have such power over the whole universe where there were other Timelords who had done far more powerful things like Rassilon and such. And yet we know his name so why is there no drama when you mention the name Rassilon out loud?
                                I don't think that is the question as people have asked it before I'm sure unless it has to be asked at a specific point. Now as for why we know the name of Rassilon and other time lords such as Romana but not The Doctor's name is because The Doctor and others similar to him were rebellious renegade Time Lords who didn't observe the non interference policy of the majority of Time Lords and as a result gave up their names and took on titles such as The Master, The Rani, The Corsair and The Doctor.

                                By all means that may be the question but I would hope it was something less obvious and as this series so far has shown that is more than possible.
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