New Earth Ships

[Control_Chair]

What we need is an equivalent of an Al'Kesh, possibly with an APBW and an intergalactic hyperdrive if possible (depending on the size). It should defiantly have good shields, sublight engines for manoeuvrability so that is powerful enough to take on bigger ships e.g. Hataks/Wraith cruisers and Hive ships but is manoeuvrable enough to avoid main weapons fire and being blown out of the sky. It could also be able to engage darts/death gliders. A sort of good all rounder that could escort 304's.

IMHO, that's stagnation, we should dig deeper into this core they gave us (even more, we should get it off the ship, where we risk its destruction every time we fly into combat....- or build a backup and copy the files and knowledge) and use it to its full potential first, agreed (we have barely scrached the surface as it is, IMO)

I agree the Asgard core is too valuable to be left on the Oddy, one luck shot and all that knowledge would be lost. It should be transferred to Atlantis instead of area 51 (look what happened to the control chair) at least it would be protected by Atlantis shields.

[bradly08]

You could do some heavy modifcations to the 303 design to perform as humanities own version as an Al'Kesh. Get rid of the Hangars (or at least intergrate them into the hull better so they are not sticking out) and shrink down the tower and get rid of the two arms sticking out.

Add in a few APBW for anti-capital ship roles and a few extra railguns and missles to deal with pesky fighters. A better power source would help to beef up the shields and enable the ship to travel at a faster speed in hyperspace, thus increasing its range. Finally add in a bomb bay and and for extra damage a few Al'kesh staff cannons.

Produce a few of these and they could be used in alot of different situations such as escorting 304's (Being used to take out the darts and firing a few pot shots at the hives.) Doing this will allow the 304's to concentrate more on the larger ships such as crusiers and hives. (Call it a 303e, e being for escort.)

They could also be used in the same manner as the Al'kesh, bombing heavily fortified structures and landing troops. (Call it a 303b, again b being for bomber)

In my view the 303 class could be used for alot of roles and we should look back at the design and think "what else could we do with this". It would save millions on thinking up of a brand new ship when all you have to do is make a few adjustments to the 303 class instead.

[Control_Chair]

You could do some heavy modifcations to the 303 design to perform as humanities own version as an Al'Kesh. Get rid of the Hangars (or at least intergrate them into the hull better so they are not sticking out) and shrink down the tower and get rid of the two arms sticking out.

Add in a few APBW for anti-capital ship roles and a few extra railguns and missles to deal with pesky fighters. A better power source would help to beef up the shields and enable the ship to travel at a faster speed in hyperspace, thus increasing its range. Finally add in a bomb bay and and for extra damage a few Al'kesh staff cannons.

Produce a few of these and they could be used in alot of different situations such as escorting 304's (Being used to take out the darts and firing a few pot shots at the hives.) Doing this will allow the 304's to concentrate more on the larger ships such as crusiers and hives. (Call it a 303e, e being for escort.)

They could also be used in the same manner as the Al'kesh, bombing heavily fortified structures and landing troops. (Call it a 303b, again b being for bomber)

In my view the 303 class could be used for alot of roles and we should look back at the design and think "what else could we do with this". It would save millions on thinking up of a brand new ship when all you have to do is make a few adjustments to the 303 class instead.

I was thinking along similar lines, however according to the stats on Stargate Wiki (I know is not always accurate, but the information is referenced to Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 2[1] and 62[2] and Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 70[3])

The stats for the X303 are:-
Length 195 meters[1]

Width 80 meters[1]

Height/depth 65 meters[1]

Maximum speed 110,000 miles per second[1]

Engine unit(s) Sublight engines
Manoeuvring thrusters
Buffered Naquadria reactor core

Fuel Naquadria

Hyperdrive system Interstellar

Power plant Naquadah generators

Shielding Asgard shields

Hull Naquadah/Trinium alloy

Targeting systems Earth targeting systems

Navigation system Computer navigational systems

Armament 12 missile batteries
16 railguns

Complement 8 F-302s

Crew 115+
Minimum crew 20

Other systems Ring transporter

The stats for the 304 are:

Length 200[2]-225 meters[3]

Width 90[2]-95 meters[3]

Height/depth 70[2]-75 meters[3]

Maximum speed 75,000 km/sec[2]-150,300,225 m/sec[3]

Engine unit(s) Manoeuvring thrusters
Sublight drive
Alternate reality drive (Alternate Daedalus)

Fuel Naquadah

Hyperdrive system Intergalactic

Power plant Naquadah Generators
ZPM (if available)
Asgard power core
Subspace Capacitors (Alternate Daedalus)

Shielding Asgard shields

Hull Naquadah/Trinium alloy

Sensor systems Asgard sensor array

Targeting systems Earth targeting systems

Navigation system Computer navigational systems

Armament 4 Asgard plasma beam weapons
32 Railguns
16 VLS Missile Tubes
Mark VIII and IX nuclear missiles
Horizon weapons platform (Apollo)

Complement 8-16 F-302s

Crew ~200
Other systems Asgard transporters
Long-range transmitter
Ring transporters
Asgard computer core (Odyssey)
Ancient Cloak (Odyssey)


Overall the 303 and the 304 are pity similar in size and width though the 304 has massively upgraded technology. I was thinking along the lines of something much smaller (less than 100 meters) with the focus being on speed and manoeuvrability.

[thekillman]

an SG extraction ship is most likely gonna save us a ton of money. no need to send a 200+ crew out to space. a 10 man crew on a 10-50 meter ship with a hyperdrive, good sublight, some shields, cloak, and holographics + beaming. if possible rings.

would be much cheaper instead of constantly relying on allies. not to mention 304's can carry it to pegasus

[Control_Chair]

The problem I see with reviving the 303 class is this:-

1) The 303 and the 304 are pretty similar n terms of size and scale (the 304 are slightly bigger) therefore you are going to need roughly the same amount of resources to construct the super structure and hull.

2) The 303 was designed from reverse engineered Goa’uld tech and was given Asgard upgraded shields and hyperdrives (mostly in return for trapping the replicators in the time dilation field on Halla). The 304 however was in Carter’s own words (not sure what ep this from) “It has a few advantages over the Prometheus. The more advanced alien technologies were integrated into the original design rather than tacked on after the fact."

Therefore constructing the new 303’s would divert resources away from the constriction of 304’s and you would still need to upgrade the plans to integrate the new Asgard Technology. Look at it this way, you have the funding and the plans to build a new supper carrier and then you build it according to obsolete designs from the 1940’s while at the same time trying to incorporate new technologies into the design, rather than building it with modern plans where the new technologies are already incorporated. Ok maybe 1940’s is a bit of an exaggeration but it makes the point that the 303 plans are outdated, you would probably spend as much money redesigning the 303 and building it as you would on building one and a half 304's just to wind up with a 304.

an SG extraction ship is most likely gonna save us a ton of money. no need to send a 200+ crew out to space. a 10 man crew on a 10-50 meter ship with a hyperdrive, good sublight, some shields, cloak, and holographics + beaming. if possible rings.

would be much cheaper instead of constantly relying on allies. not to mention 304's can carry it to pegasus

Exactly the same lines I was thinking along, maybe with an APBW at the front so it can take on bigger ships and some sort of staff canon found on Al'Kesh to take on smaller fighters.

[tjoflojt]

The problem I see with reviving the 303 class is this:-

1) The 303 and the 304 are pretty similar n terms of size and scale (the 304 are slightly bigger) therefore you are going to need roughly the same amount of resources to construct the super structure and hull.

The scalings in the Ship Scaling Sprites thread put prommy at 375m, and the 304 at 586m (other scalings put it at even bigger numbers, up to and sometimes over 600m). And the general design is pretty different too. The general design of the 304 is more practical (the tower of the 303 is just a big bullseye).
A new earth ship should be something slightly smaller that the 303, maybe 200m or less. it should have decent weapons, good shields, a good hyperdrive, and be used for hit and run, team extraction, and possibly escort.

[Control_Chair]

The scalings in the Ship Scaling Sprites thread put prommy at 375m, and the 304 at 586m (other scalings put it at even bigger numbers, up to and sometimes over 600m). And the general design is pretty different too. The general design of the 304 is more practical (the tower of the 303 is just a big bullseye).
A new earth ship should be something slightly smaller that the 303, maybe 200m or less. it should have decent weapons, good shields, a good hyperdrive, and be used for hit and run, team extraction, and possibly escort.

Cool, but where do the figures come from, mine come from Stargte Wiki (I know accuracy, but the information is referenced to Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 2[1] and 62[2] and Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 70[3])

The stats for the X303 are:-

Length 195 meters[1]

Width 80 meters[1]

Height/depth 65 meters[1]


The stats for the 304 are:

Length 200[2]-225 meters[3]

Width 90[2]-95 meters[3]

Height/depth 70[2]-75 meters[3]


Not that much of a size difference really

[lordofseas]

Well, we need the following IMHO:

1. A transport ship. Am I the only one that thinks that using a Battlecruiser for a Deep Space Carrier is a waste of resources? The transport ship would have minimal weapons, and would focus on shields and hyperdrives.

2. An upgraded 304. If all that means is having a new hull, I'll rejoice, cause I hate it right now.

3. A bomber, about 1/7 the size of a DSC.

[MechaThor]

I agree with allot of what people are saying here, that the Earth defense force needs a larger variety of ships to be used in different situations like real military vehicles.

So first I think a new global military should be created, with each leading country having their own variation of 304s. Then are task force should be...

- Cargo/Transport ship - medium sized intergalactic ship, with strong defenses and a thick hull as well as backup life support. Can carry F302's and Jumpers when needed. Main duty to to ferry cargo and personal between planets and galaxies.
- Smaller more weapons based version used for SGC team extractions.

- 304 - Used as our Hataks, all round support, defense and attack ship. With Cloak versions used for stealth missions. These are the work horses of the fleet. Strong, Fast and maneuverable.

- F302 - Main fighter unit, used in space and atmosphere combat against enemy fighters. Also used to cripple larger ships defenses and hyperdrives.

- Bomber/medium attack ship - Earths version of an Alkesh, used as escorts to larger ships, flushing out ground troops from cover and used as joint attack ships with F302s

- Earth Pubble Jumper - Human made version of a Jumper, used for stealth and SGC team transport. Can be used as fighter.

- Blockades ship - Bigger than a 304 with bigger and more powerful weapons and thicker hulls, However they are allot slower, have no stealth and are less maneuverable. Used for patrolling the Solar System, protecting Earth and allied planets. Designed to stand their ground in larger blockades with other lighter ships like 304's.

- Mothership - Serves as a floating SGC, is strong and powerful with intergalactic hyperdrives. Used to control the Earths fleets and act like aircraft carriers, big enough to dock a 304. Always seen with escorts. This ship is also used as a research ship, it has powerful sensors, rings and Asgard beams as well as an on-board Stargate and Asgard Core (moved).

- Service/medical Ship - light and not well armed this ship can provide fuel and repair crews to damaged ships. Also has medical facilities.

- Shield Ship - Small and fast ships with larger generators, and cloak. It can protect weakened ships with an extendable and powerful shield.

[bradly08]

some interesting ideas...

[thekillman]

most of them useless for now. as i said, we only need a ship somewhere between an alkesh and a teltak. usefull for SG teams and extracting SG teams. puddlejumper: Nope. instead, a gatefighter is best

[bradly08]

most of them useless for now. as i said, we only need a ship somewhere between an alkesh and a teltak. usefull for SG teams and extracting SG teams. puddlejumper: Nope. instead, a gatefighter is best

A gate-fighter would be dependant on the stargate is outside. If its inside it will only make a very large mess...

[thekillman]

huh?


the gate bridge needed some 43 gates or not. take those gates, steal the gate sattelite idea from the Asurans and we have a gate on demand. preferrably pegasus gates so they take precedence.

[Control_Chair]

- Mothership - Serves as a floating SGC, is strong and powerful with intergalactic hyperdrives. Used to control the Earths fleets and act like aircraft carriers, big enough to dock a 304. Always seen with escorts. This ship is also used as a research ship, it has powerful sensors, rings and Asgard beams as well as an on-board Stargate and Asgard Core (moved).

Wouldn't Atlantis fill that void nicely

[MechaThor]

Wouldn't Atlantis fill that void nicely

I guess it could for the time being , however it feels very.... Stolen. Ok I know all are current technology is modified Goa'uld and Asgard tec, with some Ancient and other races thrown in, however atleast we actually made the 302s, 303, and 304s, giving them all Earth touches.

Using Atlantis as a mothership just seems really cheap and very Goa'uld like. Its like what Jacod said "you can't just steal a ship and slap a US Airforce sticker on the side".

I think if we deserve a mothership equal to Atlantis we need to build it ourselves. We can still use Atlantis, however keep it in Pegasus and keep it a research/civilian operation. I can see Atlantis becoming a fancy hotel in the future anyways!