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Originally posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View PostPlus there's stuff like the over-the-top action, forced thematics and plot holes abound. (How do governments fall due to the lack of electricity, how does anything rise up? I know we take technology for granted but it's not something that society would entirely change for.)I'VE GONE WIKI-MAD!!!!
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Originally posted by escyos View PostIf you watch the released scene (not the trailer) you see a light in the street explode in sparks, most likely a surge, if a plane engine did the same, it could spin out of control.
What they did in the show was remove all the electricity; so tell me, to remove all the electricity do they oversurge it or neutralize it or do they find a way to prevent the electrical charge from happening? (Note: Energy can be generated by friction, most of us human beings consist of electricity or an electrical current, also windmills.)
Originally posted by escyos View PostPower goes out, people run out of food
Originally posted by escyos View Poststart looting and killing each other, police and armed forces get overwhelmed (they lose the tech too)
Originally posted by escyos View Postwhat use is a government then? They have no power and the economy would disappear
Originally posted by escyos View Postsitting in a fancy hall and coming up with laws serves no one, they would probably flee.Back from the grave.
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Originally posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View PostSo you mean to tell me that the way they do the blackout is by adding more energy? There would have to be a ridiculously large power source that's either alien or conspicuously common and for them to use that energy around the world is implausible, even with an electrical interference field. Additionally if they were overloading it then there would be some sort of electrical area out there that's built to handle any energy surge no matter how big or small.
What they did in the show was remove all the electricity; so tell me, to remove all the electricity do they oversurge it or neutralize it or do they find a way to prevent the electrical charge from happening? (Note: Energy can be generated by friction, most of us human beings consist of electricity or an electrical current, also windmills.)
Originally posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View PostI doubt they'd run out of food, it may take longer but we have farms that can grow this stuff and we have ways of delivering it that don't require electricity.
Originally posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View PostBecause of the situation at hand; even if they lose the tech, the guns they have still work and they can find ways to utilize the tank shells without having electricity; they're not completely powerless if they lose the tech.
Originally posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View PostWell a government is there to set rules, manage zoning, maintain the community, just make sure that the city is running in an orderly fashion. There was government back when there wasn't electricity, hell there was communication back when there wasn't electricity through the usage of an old trusty horse. Sure, there wasn't one unified government like we have now but the ideology of government still existed and several unions were doing fine with such government.
Originally posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View PostAgain, they have ways of enforcing it; it's just that the producers decided to ignore that because the government collapsing would be cooler.sigpic
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[QUOTE=Ukko;13346602]Unless you can see into the future, how about we wait and see what their explanation/reason for the blackout is before saying what they did, and trying to poke holes in it.
Please enlighten us as to how without power or technology, they will feed 300 million people. Once the canned and wrapped food runs out (and it will be hoarded by those who like to take advantage), the farms are gonna have trouble doing that.
Unsurprisingly less developed nations would find this change much easier to cope with, it be nice to see what happening in places like Africa.
The guns ordinary citizens and militias have still work. And they dont rely on a vast communications network.
expect announce that steam engines would be rapidly built and that government would sieze the relevent factories and infrastructure to get that operational.
And back when there wasnt electricity, there wasnt 300 million people and a civilization that relied on electronic communication. That trusty old horse is fine for the few in the country who can ride and look after one.
We can only judge by the quality of the trailer, which show several cliché storyline (secret organisation, boy defends dad, dad dies because of boy, mysterious communications with person face hidden, secrete object that needs protecting,). The Airline crash scene look silly and was clearly design for visual impact rather than realism, which for me this story needs.
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Originally posted by Ukko View PostPlease enlighten us as to how without power or technology, they will feed 300 million people. Once the canned and wrapped food runs out (and it will be hoarded by those who like to take advantage), the farms are gonna have trouble doing that.
Just because there isn't any electricity doesn't mean there's a way to get the work done.
Originally posted by Ukko View PostThe guns ordinary citizens and militias have still work.
Originally posted by Ukko View PostAnd they dont rely on a vast communications network.
Originally posted by Ukko View PostAnd back when there wasnt electricity, there wasnt 300 million people and a civilization that relied on electronic communication.
Originally posted by Ukko View PostThat trusty old horse is fine for the few in the country who can ride and look after one.
I think I'm beginning to understand why the people behind Revolution made society the way it is; people have forgone steam propulsion technology, paper-based communication methods and even stuff like horses for things like cars, electrically powered engines and the internet, so much so that they'd mostly be unable to transition to the ways of old, thus leading to a world where pony express mail, hand operated machinery and even steam trains are barely existent.
Originally posted by Ukko View PostEnlighten us.
- The establishment of various government offices around every city to enforce laws.
- Using the pony express to communicate with the white house.
- Having strict guidelines for the people they do employ to enforce those offices.
- Actually making sure those laws would work in today's times. (people do rebel if the laws are unfair)
And for the situation itself.
- The setting up of a system that'd allow food to come in an easy manner.
- Providing the basis for the reconstruction of ancient technology that is now practical.
- Gaining public appeal by sympathizing with the situation.
- An adjustment of the taxes to compensate for today's times.
- The initial lack of war and formation of a union between countries.
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Originally posted by knowles2 View PostFema as plans to secure such sites in America, without large scale communication infrastructure, as this would require in an atomic war scenerio. Of cause large sections of society would have to be adapted to run without electricity, and quickly, tough but not impossible.
Unsurprisingly less developed nations would find this change much easier to cope with, it be nice to see what happening in places like Africa.
If the TV's still worked, the folks in Africa would probably be pointing and laughing.
Originally posted by knowles2 View PostCivilians would have to go up against well trained and armed army guys. You imagine for several days or a few weeks at least the population would think it just a normal blackout or a terrorist attack using electromagnetic field and that the government will be returning power shortly. In that time the Government would gather people quickly to access how to run our current infrastructure without electricity, deploying army troops in all major cities and food rashioning would come in.
expect announce that steam engines would be rapidly built and that government would sieze the relevent factories and infrastructure to get that operational.
Yes, their training will give them an advantage, but their technological advantage goes out the window, and they're vastly outnumbered and unable to receive orders. They would be just as clueless as the civilians. The impression i got from the trailer was that this is something that just happens, click. No time to prepare.
Originally posted by knowles2 View PostCombustion engines would still work, you just need a different ignition system, if the government can maintain order for a few weeks and produce plans to get the country back up and running there more likely most people would support them.
Combustion engines would also need fuel. Theres some fun panicking.
Originally posted by knowles2 View PostWe can only judge by the quality of the trailer, which show several cliché storyline (secret organisation, boy defends dad, dad dies because of boy, mysterious communications with person face hidden, secrete object that needs protecting,). The Airline crash scene look silly and was clearly design for visual impact rather than realism, which for me this story needs.
Thats how TV and movies work, both being visual mediums and all.sigpic
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Firstly, the bolded parts arent clichés, and the communication with person whose face is hidden, well, your doing that now with me right now and everyone else on here. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with clichés. Any half decent writer knows this. Its the execution that matters, and until we see the show, we cant judge the execution.
The trailer execution is average, again compare to trailers we have from Games of Thrones, or the excellent trailers released for Walking Dead, and even Fallen Skies had better trailers than this.
Saying it a visual medium, does not give the writers excuses for not being creative or resorting same or similar plot devices. Only lazy writers, producers and directors do that. Good ones find new and exciting ways to expand the medium and show the audience something they have not seen before.
We clearly have to different view points on human nature, but I believe that we tend not to panicked, we tend to remain calm and we tend to work together to solve problems. An if such a disaster did happen, we would not see the level of destruction that we saw in the trailer. But hopefully the writers will show use how all that occurred during the show and provide reasons. I actually think chaos, if there is chaos would be relatively short live and government would bring back order relatively quickly.
Hopefully the show will show a little of what happens in the rest of the world as well.
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Originally posted by knowles2 View PostOkay technically they are not cliches, but they are way over use plot devices and to include so many in a single trailer is close to being unforgivable, I will still end up watching it but base of the trailer I am not expecting much.
Originally posted by knowles2 View PostThe trailer the execution is average, again compare to trailers we have from Games of Thrones, or the excellent trailers released for Walking Dead, and even Fallen SKies had better trailers than this.
Originally posted by knowles2 View PostWe clearly have to different view points on human nature, but I believe that we tend not to panicked, we tend to remain calm and we tend to work together to solve problems. An if such a disaster did happen, we would not see the level of destruction that we saw in the trailer. But hopefully the writers will show use how all that occurred during the show and provide reasons. I actually think chaos, if there is chaos would be relatively short live and government would bring back order relatively quickly.
Hopefully the show will show a little of what happens in the rest of the world as well.sigpic
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Originally posted by Ukko View PostPeople go crazy enough when we have the means to properly recover and rebuild after a disaster. If you, quite literally, flip a switch and "turn off" civilization one night, people are going to panic (understatment).sigpic
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Originally posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View PostBecause of the situation at hand; even if they lose the tech, the guns they have still work and they can find ways to utilize the tank shells without having electricity; they're not completely powerless if they lose the tech.I'VE GONE WIKI-MAD!!!!
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Originally posted by escyos View PostYes its not like there are any example of when the power goes out for a few hours that people DON'T start looting...
And there was an incident in LA where the power was out for a few days and nobody looted within the first few hours from my knowledge, I doubt they'd start looting instantly but they would get uneasy about the situation when after a few days the power isn't going to be coming back on.Back from the grave.
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People go crazy enough when we have the means to properly recover and rebuild after a disaster. If you, quite literally, flip a switch and "turn off" civilization one night, people are going to panic (understatment)
Katrina did drove some people go insane but that appears to be exception to the rule rather than the rule. Most humans pull together in a crisis and help each other out, these far out weigh the individualistic people in society, who are either frozen or come round to the group thinking.Last edited by knowles2; 22 May 2012, 06:52 AM.
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Originally posted by knowles2 View PostDo they, I did not see people go crazy in Japan Earth Quake, or Haiti, or in fact that 2004 India sea earth Quake, or a better example would the massive black out of new york city that happen a few years ago.
Though people are waiting for the show to see what happens, I'm certain the show will fail for these reasons. Over-exaggeration of government collapse and consequences for plot reasons (which people ,will try to justify), the entire power draining thing being convoluted (some people say it's a surge but from my looks of it, it seems like something's preventing an electrical charge from forming; the show may provide some explanation on this but still, it convoluted even if explained.), the theatrics lacking substance and the lack of compelling characters. It does look good but then again anything can look good, it does look science-fictiony but true science-fiction to me is exploring the unknown, taking risks, raising questions that people will linger on for years, actually showing what can be possible and daring to be different. This is just following the trends and favoring style over substance which most sci-fi movies and some series have done in recent times. Both audiences will be disappointed.
I swear some truly innovative, intellectual and offbeat person needs to step up to the plate and create a sci-fi series; the truly innovative and the truly offbeat people are the ones who manage to think of stuff we never could think of and if that person can create something sci-fi that truly goes where no man has gone before then he might just resurrect sci-fi as we speak.Back from the grave.
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Originally posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea View PostI have to full-heatedly agree with him. I mean even in a show like this, they wouldn't go insane because of the lack of technology just as a full government collapse wouldn't be possible.
The show is focusing on a global incident which affects absolutely everyone. I'm not sure about the 'realism' of this show, though from the trailer, there do appear to be some questionable aspects. The point is, anyone who creates these types of shows that focus on global incidents can pretty much create the world however they want since there is no benchmark to compare to in our history.sigpic
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