Infantry Weapons

[Stewart5]

I think I should just impress on you all, I never said automatic weapons were crap. Just wondering why a world with 10 years space experiance is so awesomely awesome in a fight? And some of these races are thousands of years more advanced. You'd think they could work out the kinks with the energy weapons. And forget P-90s. Everyone is in love with the damn things. They are such complex weapons and difficult to maintain. Go the way of the G-36. H & K for the win!!

[Hong3103]

P-90 is small and simple to use. The only thing complicated about that weapon is the feeding mechanism that rotates the round 90 degrees and it uses non-standard ammunition. FN USA (the company that manufactures the P-90) also makes the SCAR weapons & the M240 Machine Gun. SCAR being in heavy use by US Spec Ops and the 240 being used througout the US military. Although H&K do make some pretty good weapons... like the the G36, 416's, and MP line of weapons.

[EternalAlteran]

The first thing I would change is the enemy's tactics on the ground

[thekillman]

p-90's are used cause they drop the empty case downwards. most guns do it sideways. with 4 people in a tight space, its bad to toss empty cases at eachother. thats why they use p-90's.

[Hong3103]

p-90's are used cause they drop the empty case downwards. most guns do it sideways. with 4 people in a tight space, its bad to toss empty cases at eachother. thats why they use p-90's.

That's a definite benefit in Close Quarter Battles but the troops should already train to overcome that. I've had a hot shell smack me in the face at the when I was qualifying at the rifle range and it wasn't pleasant but not the end of the world when it hit me.

P-90 has more rounds than the MP5. Plus the P-90 rounds (5.7mm) packs more a punch than the 9mm that MP5's use.

[titan_hq]

P-90 has more rounds than the MP5. Plus the P-90 rounds (5.7mm) packs more a punch than the 9mm that MP5's use.

Great for penetrating the metal armour of the Goa'uld warriors, but against a Wraith would you not use a 9mm or .45 ACP with better stopping power?

[Hong3103]

Great for penetrating the metal armour of the Goa'uld warriors, but against a Wraith would you not use a 9mm or .45 ACP with better stopping power?

9mm doesn't have the stopping power of the .45ACP or the 5.7mm round.

Aren't the Wraith Warriors wearing armor too? As big as those guys are I wouldn't want to use a 9mm round against them even if they weren't wearing armor.

I'm not aware of any mass produced armor piercing .45ACP rounds. The 5.7mm does come in black tipped "Duty Round" that is made with a steel penetrator with an aluminum core projectile to penetrate soft body armor. I'm sure that the SGC/SGA could acquire much more lethal rounds though.

[Crazy Tom]

The Wraith were defiently not covered in any human rights agreements, so exlosive bullets and hollow points are not out of the question.

[SpaceTrucker]

The choice of the P90 is the correct one for the reasons above, but also the round was designed to penetrate light armor, like the kind worn by Jaffa. Even if the teams had MP5s in .40cal, the P90 would still be the better choice. When the SG teams get into trouble their main goal is to break contact and reach the Gate. So the larger magazine and lighter ammo(can carry more) would be a great asset. When the missions require more firepower or range you'll see the M4s and 240B come out. I would like to think the show's military advisers have something to do with this. I'm constantly impressed by the shows attention to detail. Except in the show I watch today when Tayla cocked her P90 after already pointing it at the enemy for half the scene. Why wasn't her weapon already ready? But that's Hollywood building tension I suppose.

[Stewart5]

The first thing I would change is the enemy's tactics on the ground

No more mass charges with supposedly elite alien troops

p-90's are used cause they drop the empty case downwards. most guns do it sideways. with 4 people in a tight space, its bad to toss empty cases at eachother. thats why they use p-90's.

Its not actually that bad. You want an efficient, safe way of ejecting a casing so the weapon doesn't jam. As long as it doesn't smack the firer in the face, all the better. I've been hit by casing in the range, its not that bad unless it hits bare skin.

P-90 has more rounds than the MP5. Plus the P-90 rounds (5.7mm) packs more a punch than the 9mm that MP5's use.

Only because the P-90 uses a round mid-way between a pistol and rifle round, and the 9mm is a pistol round

G36s are easier to maintain on the field. Yes, P90 is awesome, but the gravity shut thing that turn the ammo is a definite downer in any sort of maintenance way, especially long term in the field, like atlantis. Good for short term usage, CQ combat

[thekillman]

Its not actually that bad. You want an efficient, safe way of ejecting a casing so the weapon doesn't jam. As long as it doesn't smack the firer in the face, all the better. I've been hit by casing in the range, its not that bad unless it hits bare skin.

we're talking actors here, not military people. if an actor could choose, he'd choose
p-90's. actors mainly choose what gun they use. if the plot needs a big rifle, arms department gets some and the actors choose which ones

[SpaceTrucker]

the gravity shut thing that turn the ammo is a definite downer in any sort of maintenance way, especially long term in the field, like atlantis. Good for short term usage, CQ combat

I agree with you because all the teams get to bring their weapons back to the armory at the end of each mission. So you can assume an armorer cleans each weapon. In Vietnam the Special Forces would use the Stoner LMG with great success, despite its failure as a main line rifle, but only because they had the down time between missions to clean it.

At sometime on SGA you start seeing some .45ACP. I know for certain that's what Sheppard has. I'll go back and try to see which model.

[Stewart5]

I agree with you because all the teams get to bring their weapons back to the armory at the end of each mission. So you can assume an armorer cleans each weapon. In Vietnam the Special Forces would use the Stoner LMG with great success, despite its failure as a main line rifle, but only because they had the down time between missions to clean it.

At sometime on SGA you start seeing some .45ACP. I know for certain that's what Sheppard has. I'll go back and try to see which model.

True. SGA doesn't have a full, properly equipped armoury like SGC. Also, whilst a P90 is good CQ, its not got rifle casings, but a cross between pistol and rifle rounds, so it doesn't have accuracy at distance. A G36 has 700rpm, hasn't been known to jam, is relatively simple and doesn't weigh much (ino, neither does the P90) So why would I say it is better?
Has very similar sights, good at CQ, room clearance and acurate at longer distances. It is a tru assault rifle. Hey, the SAS use it whenever they can, so it must have its merits. I ain't never heard of the SAS usin the P90.

[AVFan]

It'd be great.

I think it'd be great if an entire battalion were to go through the gate.

We should still have our backs against the wall though, fights are only interesting if we have to earn the victory.

I'm really craving big gun fights like you mentioned^. That would be sweet. Either that or some half hour long fighter scene. What they did in Continuum could have been really good if they had stretched out the F-16/MIG/Glider fight out another twenty minutes.

I'm really looking for some big, theater-sized battles.
1. Hundreds of humans (Earth, Setidan, Genii, etc) against unwinnable odds with Wraith (none of this hybrid crap) coming from everywhere- dozens of darts, from every direction, sucking our people up left and right. Maybe even the Daedalus in space versus ten hives with escort cruisers. But somehow we win (leave that one up to the writers. or maybe that's not such a good idea )
2. Massive space battle. Darts versus 302's. 20-25 minutes. Daedalus/Apollo/Odyssey (that's an and/or) versus forty something hive ships and escorts. 'Nuff said.

Of course, all of this has to somehow be stargate oriented (meaning the gate itself, not the show) seeing as something like this won't happen unless we get a movie with a really high budget (for extras/ special effects)

Winning against unwinnable odds and not making it seem like a cop out (a la Merlin's weapon) is the winning scenario for writers.

[Hong3103]

Teal'C & Ronin did use the G36 in the Midway episode where they were both opening a Keg of Whoopass on the Wraith.

At sometime on SGA you start seeing some .45ACP. I know for certain that's what Sheppard has. I'll go back and try to see which model.

I'm pretty sure it was .45. It makes sense to use that on the Wraith than the puny 9mm Baretta.