Nikola Tesla/Helen Magnus Shipper Thread

[yamiinsane]

Thank you Zara

[Mimzy]

Glad to finally have you on here, Zara The more SQUEE the better xD

[ZaraShade]

Haha, glad to contribute to the Teslen squee!

[max_omega]

OMG!!! Reading this thread and all this talk about Teslen ship has made me even more excited to for season 4. And made my morning at work more tolerable. Gah....dies a little in anticipation for season 4.

[StarSancFar]

[StarSancFar]

Sorry about the long post! So much I wanted to reply to! And GW went all stupid, I'd already written this once but when i clicked post, it deleted what I'd said and just posted a blank one! > I was one unhappy bunny!

SERIOUSLY

Spoiler:

The woman totally GAVE IT AWAY. She has another kiss that she and "a certain recurring character" thought would be nice to add??? WHO ELSE COULD IT FREAKING BE?! That's about the closest she could get to saying it's Niko. Besides it's backed up by the fact that she and J-Yo ad-libbed stuff that apparently changed the way the relationship played out.

IT HAS TO BE HIM. OMGHOLYCRAPYAYYYYYYYYYYYY *dances*

SHE SO GAVE IT AWAY! FBJKEFBHDKJCGHKJHDR!!!!!

Five episodes is decent I suppose (although I wanted MORE)


"I actually have, um, two kisses this season. One which was completely uh, improvved spontaneous kind of moment that a certain one of our recurring characters and I thought would be, kinda fun…."

5 eps is good! Its about half of the eps of the season, S4 is only 13... so J-Yo is in quite a lot proportionally LOL (i can't spell that word!)
It's so him! 'recurring characters'

Hi guys! I'm totally new to GateWorld, but have heard so much about it in my obsessive Teslen shipping that I decided I'd better amble on over and check it out! I write Helen/Nikola fanfic (on ff) and make fanvids on yt (for both of which my username is still ZaraShade).
Thought I'd introduce myself!

I love you! Your fics and your vids are amazing! I'm chapa'ai-hi on FF and starsancfar everywhere else! Glad you've joined the shippyness!

Of course she saw it coming, even if she hadn't seen him for 60 years (which, as a good shipper, I'm convinced isn't true, because technically she never said she hadn't SEEN him in 60 years, if I remember correctly she just said "It's been 60 years!" some time after his stealing the kiss so maybe he just hasn't done that in so long? ),
TECHNICALLY Druitt is a recurring character... please don't squash me for pointing that out!

...and now I can bug you to update Telepathic more! It is really amazing though...

I agree with the 60 year thing, she's seen him in that time(cause he just can't stay away for too long ), but it's been that long since she kissed him (inwhich case nikola's been keeping track!)
Guest star thing is good, then he or she wont be staying around for long!! A flashback kiss would be so annoying, but I have a hunch its not
I was gonna say that about druitt, but ya beat me to it

YES! Update Telepathic! It's amazing!! I love it!!!!

Star: I read you stories and I love them! I don't have the time right now to review but I will later when I get a moment

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed them !

[Altariel]

I saw on the youtube panel where she said that about the two kisses, and at the moment when she said that she had actually TWO kisses she looked to Chris. For one Fan that look to Chris made him/her thought that it would be John... Now I´m a little bit unsure. But probably it was just wishful thinking on his/her part. I hope so. I would be so disapointed if it really would be a flashback kiss with John, with a flashback kiss with Nikola I could live, maybe at the time when she faked his death, that I could imagine, and it would be kinda cool, but not with John. Not in the present and not in the past.

[DutchIndeed]

I made a wallie with this tut by Jeyla4ever.

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/yamiinsane/th_TeslenWallpaper11.jpg

Niiiice!

OMG!!! Reading this thread and all this talk about Teslen ship has made me even more excited to for season 4. And made my morning at work more tolerable. Gah....dies a little in anticipation for season 4.

*nods*
I love the kissing speculation and talk! It's nice to see the spirits up and squeeing.

I saw on the youtube panel where she said that about the two kisses, and at the moment when she said that she had actually TWO kisses she looked to Chris. For one Fan that look to Chris made him/her thought that it would be John... Now I´m a little bit unsure. But probably it was just wishful thinking on his/her part. I hope so. I would be so disapointed if it really would be a flashback kiss with John, with a flashback kiss with Nikola I could live, maybe at the time when she faked his death, that I could imagine, and it would be kinda cool, but not with John. Not in the present and not in the past.

Well, it's wishful thinking on our parts as well, right? That's the annoying part of spoilers, they're just so darned open for interpretation.
We can't be sure until we've seen S4, so I for one will probably change my mind about a dozen times about who it'll be. Unless, of course, SyFy ruins it by putting the moment in a trailer.

[selene0789]

I'm not necessarily a Teslen shipper, but I will say that I think one of the anticipated kisses is between Nikola and Magnus this coming season. I think it's the one AT said was improvised. It just seems like something JY would try to sneak in.

[DutchIndeed]

I'm not necessarily a Teslen shipper, but I will say that I think one of the anticipated kisses is between Nikola and Magnus this coming season. I think it's the one AT said was improvised. It just seems like something JY would try to sneak in.

''Not necessarily''? Anything we can do to fix that?

[selene0789]

It's not a condition, you know! *pouts* But in all seriousness, no. There's a lot of reasons why I don't really want to see them become a canon pairing. Part of it is that it would be too obvious and could possibly bring the Moonlighting curse down upon Sanctuary.

Another part of it is that I think, well... they're both immortals. They'd have all of eternity together-- and I think that would be totally boring. They'd get at each other's throats eventually, and then they'd split on bad terms, and everything would be ruined! I like things the way they are!

Oh, and of course, I don't really like the idea of Magnus getting too involved with anyone. Monogamy is also straight out of the question. I mean, they're only just now letting her get out to play a bit this coming season with TWO KISSES, so an officially canon pairing would just be cruel and unusual.

She's a strong, confident, beautiful woman, who should get around some. Dabble a bit. Tesla's too lustful that he wouldn't be able to handle her going out with other interests if he thought he had even the slightest chance with her.

And, to be honest, I am a Magnitt (Magnett? I like Magnitt...) shipper. I don't want them to get together now, either, but I do think their love is epic. Like Antony and Cleopatra. Romeo and Juliet. Star-crossed is star-crossed, and there's a strange allure to all of them Including Magnitt.

[ZaraShade]

5 eps is good! Its about half of the eps of the season, S4 is only 13... so J-Yo is in quite a lot proportionally LOL (i can't spell that word!)
It's so him! 'recurring characters'

I love you! Your fics and your vids are amazing! I'm chapa'ai-hi on FF and starsancfar everywhere else! Glad you've joined the shippyness!

YES! Update Telepathic! It's amazing!! I love it!!!!

Hey!! I did notice you on yt with the same name, but now I know who you are on ff.
Haha, I hope I haven't made a mistake by now opening myself up to you guys to demand updates!

As for Niko being in 5 eps, yeah that's pretty darn good! As you said, in relative terms its a good amount! (and lol you did spell it right). If he were in too many it would end up being the Nikola and Helen show because, let's face it, he just steals the scene whenever he's in it!

selene0789: each to their own (despite the fact I'm a crazy Teslen addict). I get what you're saying but I just love Nikola and Helen together so darn much! I think that the really beautiful thing about their relationship is that it started with friendship. That makes a really strong foundation for a lasting relationship. I, like many Teslen shippers, like the notion that Nikola and Helen started as very close friends at Oxford before everything and so the strength of that bond would serve to make a strong romantic bond too should they chose to enter into a relationship of that sort.

[Altariel]

I think it is actually a good thing that they both are immortal and I don´t think it would become boring, I mean imagine everthing you know and loves passes away at one point and then you are happy you have a constant in your life that not goes away. Of course if you are 100 years in a realationship then you don´t have to see eachother every day, both can follow for a certain time their own ways. And the monogamy thing, I really don´t like the opinion most people have today that it is not possible, I think that is just our depraved, obnoxious society :-( Everthing is always reduced to sex. That´s the lack of moral concept. If you really love someone you are monogam. Even if he not always act this way, I think deep down Tesla is a gentleman, so it is not a question for him, same thing with Helen IMHO.

I don´t now why it would be cruel if Magnus were in a realationship, I rather think it would be rather cruel for some fans, if it is the wrong person ;-) And actually one kiss could be Tesla. "an adlibbed kiss with one of our recurring characters."

A real realationship is much more value then some flings. And I hope that Helen and Nikola will find each other, I think he really loves her, even if he always acts as if everything is just fun, but I think that just masquerading to hide his real feelings, because he thinks that Magnus does not feel the same way for him. I like Tesla as much as Magnus and I really wish for him that he has some love in his life. Imagine how cruel it must be if you love someone for more than a century and have no hope to be with her someday. I think he feels that way and therefore the show.

Furthermore she also was with James and after they broke up they were still friends. I see it the same way going with Helen and Nikola, if they actually would break up or get together.
I think that is the best solution for Helen. John, I couldn´t trust, like Nikola she is immortal, so she hadn´t go through the trauma of loosing him and she would never be alone and I think she if afraid of beeing alone, I mean everyone is afraid of beeing alone in the longer term.

[thecolouryes]

Wow, so much good stuff to contemplate now... Sorry, this is going to be massively long. But at least it's not like my usual rambling, and it's all very much on topic.

So, you should all get this straight before I start talking, because I'm gonna look like something of a Magnitt shipper for a bit: I am absolutely set on Teslen. Perhaps I'm not one of those rabid shippers who won't consider that either part of the pairing could have ever looked at another person in the same way, but I think their relationship will win out above all others. If nothing else, Tesla & Magnus have been through so much together, seen so much hardship, witnessed so much change, and lost so many people important to the both of them that we can be sure their friendship will last, even if a romantic relationship fails at one point.

On the subject of Magnitt, I'm perhaps among the minority of Teslenites who actually believe that Helen and Druitt were in love way back when. Helen was a strong and self-assured woman then, as well as now, which she had to be or she would never have been taking classes at Oxford. Therefore, she would not have entered into a relationship with anyone that she didn't love. Though the times may have had a different interpretation of "love", and it was smarter to marry the man who made you feel safe than the man who made you feel alive (ie. someone who you loved in the modern romantic sense of the term), I still believe Helen did, originally, love him. In whatever episode it is that she goes off and rescues Druitt from wherever he is (I can't remember which episode, just the images from it), after he's unconscious she does curl up in bed next to him. That's not something she would do if she didn't still love him, to a degree. Yes, he betrayed her, but he was also her first love, and just because she's had a hundred years to learn to live with that feeling of betrayal doesn't mean she's actually gotten over it. I think that, now, she still feels too harshly that betrayal to ever really accept him back into her life. And Ashley's death certainly didn't help anything, because she was the last real tie between them that wasn't somehow less potent than the betrayal.

That being said, I thought the explanation that he was only Jack the Ripper because some energy creature took over his mind when he was teleporting was completely and 100% a cop-out and about the cheapest explanation they could have given.

Back to the beauty of Teslen... I believe very honestly that, back at Oxford, before the Ripper business, all of the Five were very much in love with one another, on varying levels of romantic scale. I have a few hundred words about each of the relationships that was my way of exploring each relationship, determining which would be more openly romantic and which would be one-sided and which would have to be hidden given the circumstances. And, while Tesla very clearly loved Helen from the beginning, he's demonstrated that he's very much the gentleman and he would have backed off from serious flirting when Helen and John were courting. Still, Helen and Tesla have a deep-seated understanding that I think comes from their minds working in similar ways. They don't remain such close friends simply because they've known each other for so long. They really do have similar interests, and similar thoughts, and they understand each other very well.

Still, Helen and Tesla have never been at quite the same place until now. Helen was betrayed and lost after the Ripper business, so she threw herself into her Sanctuary business. Tesla couldn't do anything to help her, so he threw himself into his own projects. They got caught up in things they were doing individually, and I feel that when Helen was finally able to maybe try at communicating again with him properly, he needed to die. So, she was traumatised, in a smaller and more emotional way than from John's betrayal, when she had to fake his death. Then, he had to remain hidden and couldn't really communicate with her much. So she threw herself back into the Sanctuary, and he threw himself into reviving the vampires. Now, finally, they seem to be meeting up at the same place emotionally, dependant to a degree on the approval of the other, looking for the company of someone who hasn't hurt them very deeply. Now, if ever, is the time for them to start trying a relationship.

All this being said, I still think it's very plausible that their (romantic) relationship will fall apart. I think they'll turn out to be the sort of couples that are constantly breaking up and getting back together, but because they have so much time and are bound to go off on their own ways for periods of time, I feel like their on again off again relationship will operate in periods of decades, rather than months of years. I hope that, one day, they'll settle into marriage and raise a few lovely kids, but that won't be for a century after their relationship at least. Like when her father betrayed the Five, Ashley's death still weighs too heavily on Helen for her to be able to "replace" her so quickly.

Side note: I think Helen and James got together because each missed the John they knew.

Also something to consider: Helen's first name is really not all that surprising.

[Mimzy]

I think it is actually a good thing that they both are immortal and I don´t think it would become boring, I mean imagine everthing you know and loves passes away at one point and then you are happy you have a constant in your life that not goes away. Of course if you are 100 years in a realationship then you don´t have to see eachother every day, both can follow for a certain time their own ways. And the monogamy thing, I really don´t like the opinion most people have today that it is not possible, I think that is just our depraved, obnoxious society :-( Everthing is always reduced to sex. That´s the lack of moral concept. If you really love someone you are monogam. Even if he not always act this way, I think deep down Tesla is a gentleman, so it is not a question for him, same thing with Helen IMHO.

Thank you for that. So many have given up on real love these days and more people like you should point it out. It IS possible, but people go into relationships with a subconscious fatalistic attitude and end up not trying hard enough. Modern society has made people quitters (in many different ways). Don't believe me? Look at John and Alicia Nash (A Beautiful Mind) and then come back to me and tell me that (a) "for life" isn't possible and (b) people today aren't quitters.

Anyway, I'm not going to rant on that, because it would take days.

But on the subject of Teslen, I agree with SO much of what's been said here. And I really do think they're capable of a long-term relationship because TBH they've gone through it all already, minus the romantic part. They've been through a lot of crap already over a long time period, they argue like an old married couple yet are able to resolve their problems, they think on the same wavelength much of the time, and they know how to poke fun at each other in spite of everything. Seriously, they're practically married already - at the very least, they ACT like they are (maybe without even realizing it). They got through all that time with so many different problems and yet they've remained very close friends and it doesn't seem like anything either of them do will permanently tear them apart, because they truly, deeply TRUST each other. Even if the relationship is rocky they still manage to work things out in the end. The already KNOW the routine of doing that. Even AT implied all this when she mentioned that Helen knew that Niko would never really do anything so bad as to seriously hurt her and therefore she trusts him and keeps him around. All that's missing is that wacky gushiness that Shakespeare was so fond of making sport of (sorry, I just finished A Midsummer Night's Dream and I'm on this "let's explain the different facets and complexities of love!" nerd-high ).

Oh, and thecolouryes, you're right. Helen's name DOES suit her Can't believe that went over my head for so long!

Another point: on the subject of John. I've said this multiple times before, but again, since I'm on this Shakespearean high right now after reading MND, I'm going to mention it another time. I really do think John sees Helen like a possession of his almost, whereas Nikola actually sees her as a person. I feel like the show is really pushing showing the contrast between the two men's relationships with Helen, especially after Helen's telling John off in ITB. Both men go through great lengths to win Helen's affections, but HOW and WHY they do this are completely different. John at first seems like he's throwing himself in harm's way for Helen's sake, but as the show's been progressing, I've noticed that more and more it looks like he's just desperately trying to gain her approval by being heroic. I won't deny that there probably is some genuine concern for her in there somewhere, but it seems to be superseded by this very creepy need for him to possess her. ESPECIALLY after ITB. I was unsure about his view toward Helen until that point, when he admitted he would put the rest of the world in danger just to be with her. As Helen said, that isn't love (heck, it scares me just writing about it ). IMO their entire relationship could pretty much legitimately be characterized as abusive - and that's backed up by the way Helen, as the victim, is incredibly reluctant at first to let go because she feels like she can change John. That's typical behavior for a victim of an abusive relationship. And I have NEVER gotten the sense that John and Helen were equals in their relationship - there's always been this very subtle indication that he had a kind of power over her that persisted even after they had supposedly ended it.

Nikola, on the other hand, starts out looking like he's dangerous, but then it turns out that at his core he's really harmless and the most he'll do (on purpose, anyway) is annoy the hell out of Helen while ironically making her smile more than she ever does on her own. He tests Helen's patience but I think in a way that is what makes Helen a stronger person. At the very least, she thrives when he's around - he keeps her on her toes emotionally and intellectually and you can tell that in some ways she's a bit more alive, a bit more excited about things when she has him to bounce ideas off of. It's pretty obvious that they're on an equal level and that each of them feeds off the other. And that's the best kind of person to have as a partner really - someone who challenges you to be more, and do more, and perhaps even become a better person. Plus, Nikola really does care for her. True, he pulls stunts to try to impress her, but again, Helen knows that whatever he does, he's never really going to hurt her, or at least he won't try to. And he puts SO much on the line for her - he sacrifices making a physical advance (for OVER 100 FRICKING YEARS - and this is a man, mind you ) out of respect for her, he gives up vampire world rule to save her from crazy inbred b!4ch (has anyone considered what was running through his head while he was down in that pit and didn't know where Helen was?), and offers to get himself blown up by the particle accelerator so she can escape. And I don't think he does any of it to impress her because he knows that no over-the-top display of heroism would woo Helen Magnus - even when he flirts with her he seems to know it won't go anywhere but he does it anyway because (a) he enjoys it, and (b) he knows it amuses Helen to some degree. And on the subject of amusement - he REALLY knows how to make that woman smile. I don't think that quality should be overlooked - it's really quite important