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    Alright, alright. Quit yer b####### children and Jenks stop being such a stick in the mud. We are all now painfully aware of your dissatisfaction and contempt for the director's use of action sequences in the episode. Thank you and goodnight.

    Moving right along, this episode is a shining example of the nail-biting thrills and complex story layering that we've all come to enjoy from the series. Better yet, we are treated once again to the brilliant dichotomy of Benjamin Linus - a man of such craft and focussed aggression whose humanity and emotional intelligence can spill forth in a moment. That moment being the untimely death of Alex, who I am quite upset about, given her place in the series.

    Unleashing the smoke monster upon the island intruders was muchly awesome, I must say. And with a sprinkle of future Sayid, a dash of ill Jack, and a bed full of Widmore, I'd say all in all this baby is smokin'!

    (BTW, as an aside, the scene with Ben and Widmore was actually filmed in London, due to actor Alan Dale being tied up with another project. I believe this marks the first location filming outside the US.)
    Last edited by Darren; 26 April 2008, 08:05 PM.


      Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
      Oh... and anyone notice steam coming off Ben when he woke in the desert?
      Really? Nice touch. I did notice that there was an as yet unidentified DHARMA logo on Ben's jacket (or is it Mr Haliwax?) I wonder how precise the warp is? Ben wanted to get to Iraq but ended up in the Sahara. Also, fair enough getting off the Island, but how precisely does one reengage the warp? Perhaps there is a receptacle located somewhere else on Earth.

      As always, intriguing.


        Please stop the bickering and personal attacks. Lost is such a different sort of show that different people are going to enjoy/dislike different aspects of it. Just becasue you dont agree with someone elses opinions doesn't give (general) you the right to slam them.

        Keep it polite, or keep it off the forum.


          The different feel the show has due to the action sequences to me just helped reinforce the vastly different reason these new people want the island.
          "For now, you are in need of food and rest, and I am in need of armor"


            Terrific indeed.

            I suspect (given he's wearing 'Dr Halliwax's' uniform) that Ben has teleported from the Orchid station.

            Ben as a villain is proving to be the most dangerous and sinister nerd on television. The true question of Ben's grip on reality has to be considered (it already reared its head in the Juliet episode) ; were/are there actually rules governing the interaction between Ben and Widmore ?

            Or was Ben, just moments after writing off the lives of 'all' of his followers (claiming they would be willing to die for him, and by extension the island), too plain naive to think his daughter would be killed like the rest of them ?

            The question turns on whether Widmore is actually DHARMA or not. Previously we were told that the Hanso group was still run by Alvar Hanso, albeit Alvar is a prisoner of Thomas Mittelwark. Of course, this doesn't preclude Charles Widmore pulling the strings in the background.

            The barracks, until recently held by Ben, is supplied by DHARMA, as was the Swan Station (and thus the Losties too are supplied by DHARMA). Ben must have some kind of arrangement with DHARMA, unless somehow DHARMA is unaware that its personnel were purged by the Others many years ago, which seems very unlikely.

            The interaction between Sayid and Ben plays out interestingly. In The Economist Sayid says that Ben used an event to recruit him. Here we see Sayid volunteering his services to Ben, Ben acts surprised but we see his smile as he walks away. Further in the future, Sayid has obviously realised that Ben played him in this episode, but the question is how much did Ben manipulate him ? Is the man Sayid killed even responsible for Nadia's death ? Could Ben have actually been behind it ?

            Sayid thought Ben was still on the island, which further complicates the question of just how the Oceanic 6 escaped ; Sayid never considers Ben to have teleported, in the same episode Daniel confesses that the Freighters have no intention of rescuing them. So how the hell do they get off ?


              It has been said by you guys that you think Ben may control the 'Monster'. I don't believe this to be the case, at least, not as such. I think he can 'summon' it, but not control it.

              If he can control the Monster, why would he have had everyone run for the woods (and away from the Monster) - If he could control it, he would have simply told it not to harm his new 'friends'. My second point on this, is that fence which the soilders got Alex to power down. That fence protects the villiage (from the Monster). Why would they need a fence if the Monster could be controlled?

              I think it is also good that we now know how Sayid came to be working for Ben. Though if I saw correctly, there was a smile from Ben as he walked away, giving the indication that things have happened how he had hoped.

              Also, in regards to Charles Whitmore: He said to Ben, that he can't kill him. Ironic that this was also said by Tom, when Micheal put a Gun to his head. Could it be that Charles was on the island at some point, and found his way off, and is now stuck in the same loop (so to speak), thus can't die?

              Will also be interesting to find out if Desmond and Penelope are together yet, and whether Desmond will have anything to do with Ben going after Penelope, such as trying to stop him, or talking him around etc.
              It's Probin' Time!


                Originally posted by YodaMate View Post
                Is the man Sayid killed even responsible for Nadia's death ? Could Ben have actually been behind it ?
                1st thing that came to mind before I even saw that smirk on Ben's face as he walked off

                Sayid himself said it himself : why would those mercs pick on his g/f ?


                  Originally posted by jenks View Post
                  The Shape Of Things To Come? I seriously ****ing hope not. At what point did the producers think it would be a good idea to turn Lost into a cheeseball show like 24? All those retarded action sequences canceled out almost all enjoyment I might otherwise have had from this episode. I mean, Sawyer flipping a bench to protect himself from guys with machine guns about 100 meters away, and then running along a white picket fence while a trail of bullet impacts followed him? Deary me, I'm really disappointed in the producers right now.
                  You know jenks this is one of my favorite episodes of Lost so I am absolutly thrilled that you can't stand it

                  KEEP IT CLEAN
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                    Wow !!! it's a Great Episode and Great Show.
                    I Really Like This Episode.