Revolution (NBC) : News/Speculation/General Discussion SPOILERS S2

In my opinion there are only two or maybe three good shows starting next fall and i think wih Revolution being kind of a sci fi show it deserves its own thread where all new news and stuff can be posted here the new looking awesome trailer is here, but if you don't want to be spoiled, you should not watch it because it explains quite a bit on what will go on in the first episodes, with how they treated chuck and community im fearly postivie that it has a chance beyond season one especially with the names attached to the show eric kripke ( Supernatural ) and J.J.Abrams ( Alias, Lost, Fringe, Star Trek ):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwfCR...e_gdata_player

Have fun,

Looks good.:D

This series looks good, but no news on a UK transmission at the moment :(

Premise sounds interesting but I think it once again depends on what direction they choose to go with the show. Terra Nova had an interesting concept for a show but ultimately failed because the show runners didn't go the direction most people expected.
Jon Favreau has had a couple of hits with Iron Man and Iron Man 2 though he's never done a TV series before so not sure what to expect.
Good to see that J.J Abrams loves his Sci-Fi though.

Hmmm. I'll probably take a look at the first ep. Depends on how the characters come across (and if they start preaching about the environment to me...considering this is on NBC) as this is just another post-apocalyptic show. I want to like it since Erik Kripke is attached to it because I loved Supernatural, his creation. And J.J.'s shows aren't half bad either.

Not that I don't like those type shows. I tried to like Jericho, but a bunch of the writing and some of the characters annoyed me...greatly. I enjoyed the BBC's Survivors. Even more so than I'm liking The Walking Dead...which has some very annoying characters.

it looks good, but so did Alcatraz and the Awake, an we all know how they ended.

There one big flaw with the trailer, the cities look massively overgrown and run down and yet all of the character clothes look brand spanking new, just off the factory belt. An certainly do not look like hand me downs or items they could have traded for.

It has the feeling of Jeremiah. Lets hope this is a little bit more thought out than some of JJ Albrams past efforts.

Now for some wild fun speculation.

From the trailer, it look like some sort of field that is able to jammed electronics and prevent combustion of fuels. It look like the device the teenangers have can shield against the field.

The odd thing is, it appears that the people behind the jamming wants the militia to find that device.

Perhaps they think that the militia can use the device to undo whatever they did why they or the kids cant. Perhaps the militia controls what produces the field that stopping electronics and combustion engines from working.


(If there are two people who I would love to see working together it would be Michael Straczynski, and JJ Albrams, JJ because he comes with good ideas and can get stuff made, why Michael can actually plan a 5 year storyline out so that it make sense, something JJ has constantly failed to do. )

I'll be checking it out :)

Nice first look at it. I will definitely give this show a chance. The question is - Will NBC do the same?

I'll be checking this out when it premieres. It looks really good. Hopefully, it'll be more like Fringe and less like Alcatraz.

Once again i took the initiative (and blew off doing assessments) to create the Revolution Wiki

I'll be honest hearing about it mixed with the fact that it was on NBC made me put off watching the trailer for a while. We all know what sci-fi shows on network television wind up being (one exception being Firefly).

Finally watched it a few days ago and wish I didn't waste the time! This show is the epitome of the word "cliche". It looks even more mediocre than Falling Skies, and I thought that was as mediocre and uninteresting as you could get! We need some good programming, this age of mediocrity is maddening.

I feel after watching the trailer, setting aside the bad dialogue, plot inconsistencies yes even shown in this all over the place trailer, setting all that aside I feel I don't have to tune into this one until the finale because the trailer showed literally everything to do with the plot and where it goes.

It's unfortunate because once I saw Tim Guinee I thought HEY that's awesome he's in a show! Maybe he'll make it a good show! I like Tim, think he's a decent actor when given the chance, but that hope was dashed when the trailer shows he's gone after the first episode. Probably within the first 15 minutes. Giancarlo Esposito is also a freakin fantastic actor so again it's unfortunate. Couple all of that with the fact that I severely dislike both Jon Favreau and J.J. Abrams and this one gets a big thumbs down.

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Originally Posted by Brian

I'll be honest hearing about it mixed with the fact that it was on NBC made me put off watching the trailer for a while. We all know what sci-fi shows on network television wind up being (one exception being Firefly).

Finally watched it a few days ago and wish I didn't waste the time! This show is the epitome of the word "cliche". It looks even more mediocre than Falling Skies, and I thought that was as mediocre and uninteresting as you could get! We need some good programming, this age of mediocrity is maddening.

I feel after watching the trailer, setting aside the bad dialogue, plot inconsistencies yes even shown in this all over the place trailer, setting all that aside I feel I don't have to tune into this one until the finale because the trailer showed literally everything to do with the plot and where it goes.

It's unfortunate because once I saw Tim Guinee I thought HEY that's awesome he's in a show! Maybe he'll make it a good show! I like Tim, think he's a decent actor when given the chance, but that hope was dashed when the trailer shows he's gone after the first episode. Probably within the first 15 minutes. Giancarlo Esposito is also a freakin fantastic actor so again it's unfortunate. Couple all of that with the fact that I severely dislike both Jon Favreau and J.J. Abrams and this one gets a big thumbs down.

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I did not like the previews i saw of Smallville and did not watch it when it first came on, some time later I watched a episode and LOVED IT. Previews give you part of the plot and in some cases completely screw up what the show/movie is about. I think the only fair way to criticize the show is to watch every episode ever made and then talk about it. Wouldn't you feel bad if you watch the show later on and like it but poor ratings had it cancelled?

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Originally Posted by the fifth man

Nice first look at it. I will definitely give this show a chance. The question is - Will NBC do the same?

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Of course they will. NBC wouldn't buy it if they didn't want it to succeed. That makes no business sense

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Originally Posted by jelgate

Of course they will. NBC wouldn't buy it if they didn't want it to succeed. That makes no business sense

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They may want it to succeed and yet they do not give the creators the opportunity to actually succeed by offering a second season.

X- Files was given a second chance and it became a cult hit, because it got a second season, which is rarely if ever given, Jericho was probably the last and even then they only got 6 episode order for the second season, which hardly gave the creators a chance to turn the series around and I did not see any great advertising push by the channel either.

I think it looks interesting, and I'm definitely going to check it out when it airs. :)

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Originally Posted by knowles2

They may want it to succeed and yet they do not give the creators the opportunity to actually succeed by offering a second season.

X- Files was given a second chance and it became a cult hit, because it got a second season, which is rarely if ever given, Jericho was probably the last and even then they only got 6 episode order for the second season, which hardly gave the creators a chance to turn the series around and I did not see any great advertising push by the channel either.

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If it doesn't succeed in the first chance to get viewers then its already been given a chance. Yes I know thier are a few shows that survive a rocky first season and get popular the next season but those are in the minority. Look at the bubble shows that barely get renewed and when season 2 comes along they fail miserably

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Originally Posted by jelgate

If it doesn't succeed in the first chance to get viewers then its already been given a chance. Yes I know thier are a few shows that survive a rocky first season and get popular the next season but those are in the minority. Look at the bubble shows that barely get renewed and when season 2 comes along they fail miserably

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Often because they are remove from their original time slot, sometime to face even further competition or even worst they are put on Friday or even Saturday night, where they are all but destine to get lower numbers.

An then the second is often rarely if ever advertise at all.

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Originally Posted by escyos

I did not like the previews i saw of Smallville and did not watch it when it first came on, some time later I watched a episode and LOVED IT. Previews give you part of the plot and in some cases completely screw up what the show/movie is about. I think the only fair way to criticize the show is to watch every episode ever made and then talk about it. Wouldn't you feel bad if you watch the show later on and like it but poor ratings had it cancelled?

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Trailers are supposed to cherry pick the best bits of something in an effort to make something look exciting or interesting enough to convince you to watch. It's a bad sign when a trailer makes a show look lacklustre and poorly written as is the case here.

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Originally Posted by knowles2

Often because they are remove from their original time slot, sometime to face even further competition or even worst they are put on Friday or even Saturday night, where they are all but destine to get lower numbers.

An then the second is often rarely if ever advertise at all.

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Thier is only a finite space of available on a TV schedule. Putting a struggling show in a time spot of a successful or new unproven show does not make business sense.

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Originally Posted by The Mighty 6 platoon

Trailers are supposed to cherry pick the best bits of something in an effort to make something look exciting or interesting enough to convince you to watch. It's a bad sign when a trailer makes a show look lacklustre and poorly written as is the case here.

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Im sick of people saying something is poorly written, you saw a 4 minute trailer which gave you like 5% of the first episode, there is NO possible way for anyone to know a thing about the writing, I could choose 4 minutes of footage from stargate that would put people off the show and 4 minutes that would want to make people watch it, trailers PROVE NOTHING!

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Originally Posted by escyos

Im sick of people saying something is poorly written, you saw a 4 minute trailer which gave you like 5% of the first episode, there is NO possible way for anyone to know a thing about the writing, I could choose 4 minutes of footage from stargate that would put people off the show and 4 minutes that would want to make people watch it, trailers PROVE NOTHING!

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Not about the writing. But if they cant match the clothes to the state of the cities, which they have not done, then I think we can rightly worry about the rest of the story and how much effort they have put into it.

Also the cities look far more decayed than they would really be after 15 years, way to much plant growth. These are the basics who would expect them to get right.

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Originally Posted by escyos

Im sick of people saying something is poorly written, you saw a 4 minute trailer which gave you like 5% of the first episode, there is NO possible way for anyone to know a thing about the writing, I could choose 4 minutes of footage from stargate that would put people off the show and 4 minutes that would want to make people watch it, trailers PROVE NOTHING!

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I don't think you understand how trailers work. They are supposed to cherry pick the best bits to make the show look good, while providing a basic premise for the viewer to convince them to watch. If someone in the PR department has chosen the 4 worst minutes of the show to put in a trailer, that really dosn't sell me on the people workng on the show either, if they're going to be so lazy and bad at their jobs that they'll let such a weak trailer for their show be released. It is a bad sign when the bits they have cherry picked looked terrible and the basic premise seems riddled with flaws and plot holes.

In the show electricity seems to have stopped working, but they have firearms, so combustion still must work. Which means that they would be back to 19th century technology, with steam engines etc. Which means the whole post apocalyptic shtick, with the overgrown cities is rubbish. For most of the history of human civilisation people managed without electricity, and they managed to happily create civilisation. So if electricity stopped working you might see the U.S breakup and the states each becoming their own smaller 19th century style countries. To be honest that premise sounds rather more interesting than watching this.

The whole thing just looks so lacklustre, as I said, with no thought given to the mechanics of the premise. The cast look exceedingly well groomed for a a group of people in their situation, and look more like they stepped off modelling shoot, rather than coming from a society where hard manual labour would be an everyday reality. The whole show seems to be centred round the mystery of the power going out, which will turn out to be some half baked explanation like evil conspiracy with EMP, or aliens, or mystical smoke monsters, and seems to ignore the much more interesting side of looking at how American society would cope and stratify with the end of modern technology.

Good shows like Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones and the Walking Dead have trailers that make the shows look impressive. They make you excited and interested and want to find out more. Revolution's trailer does not do that to me.

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Originally Posted by knowles2

Not about the writing. But if they cant match the clothes to the state of the cities, which they have not done, then I think we can rightly worry about the rest of the story and how much effort they have put into it.

Also the cities look far more decayed than they would really be after 15 years, way to much plant growth. These are the basics who would expect them to get right.

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Because you see them wearing jeans and that one guy wearing an ACDC shirt? If the world ended and you came across a facotry/truck full of jeans you probably would grab a few extra pairs, you wouldn't walk out in whatever you just had on. Also jeans can last a long time if looked after and not washed too often, also they can be repair, new ones can be sewn together from old ones. That guys shirt could have been something he found hidden away one day.

If you had to make clothes from scratch (or at the very least old sheets) would you come up with a strange new design or just copy the simple idea that is a shirt? It has only been 15 years, clothes last on average 1-2 years (provided you don't wear the same thing everyday) and as I said clothes can be made/stored away.

Within two days, New York city's subways will flood without people around to constantly pump out the water. Its not too inconceivable that plants would take over quickly, especially considering the extra rainfall from a lack of pollution being pumped out. Have you seen "Life After People", buildings would burn out and plants would more easily take them over.

Yeah, it's like judging a album or book by its cover or title... So... A trailer doesnt have to say anything at all about the show, especially with shows...

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Originally Posted by The Mighty 6 platoon

In the show electricity seems to have stopped working, but they have firearms, so combustion still must work. Which means that they would be back to 19th century technology, with steam engines etc. Which means the whole post apocalyptic shtick, with the overgrown cities is rubbish. For most of the history of human civilisation people managed without electricity, and they managed to happily create civilisation. So if electricity stopped working you might see the U.S breakup and the states each becoming their own smaller 19th century style countries. To be honest that premise sounds rather more interesting than watching this.

The whole thing just looks so lacklustre, as I said, with no thought given to the mechanics of the premise. The cast look exceedingly well groomed for a a group of people in their situation, and look more like they stepped off modelling shoot, rather than coming from a society where hard manual labour would be an everyday reality. The whole show seems to be centred round the mystery of the power going out, which will turn out to be some half baked explanation like evil conspiracy with EMP, or aliens, or mystical smoke monsters, and seems to ignore the much more interesting side of looking at how American society would cope and stratify with the end of modern technology.

Good shows like Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones and the Walking Dead have trailers that make the shows look impressive. They make you excited and interested and want to find out more. Revolution's trailer does not do that to me.

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Have you gone 1 year without all the electric gadgets you use? Even after a day without my computer or iPod i feel strange. Also people are so reliant on machines to make things, the average person has no clue how to do anything. Someone living in a 15th floor apartment wont be able to grow food and will have to leave the city, there is no way to grow food in a concrete field.

I discussed the whole clothes thing in an earlier post. Game of Thrones was worse than the trailer. I noticed you went on about the whole centered around the blackout thing - thats obviously the whole main point of the show, if you want a show about people growing food in their backyards and selling fish on the street, then find a show about that or make it yourself.

Im sure that a wonderful show where technology magically stops working and is never explained will not piss off more people than a show that does.

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Originally Posted by escyos

Because you see them wearing jeans and that one guy wearing an ACDC shirt? If the world ended and you came across a facotry/truck full of jeans you probably would grab a few extra pairs, you wouldn't walk out in whatever you just had on. Also jeans can last a long time if looked after and not washed too often, also they can be repair, new ones can be sewn together from old ones. That guys shirt could have been something he found hidden away one day.

If you had to make clothes from scratch (or at the very least old sheets) would you come up with a strange new design or just copy the simple idea that is a shirt? It has only been 15 years, clothes last on average 1-2 years (provided you don't wear the same thing everyday) and as I said clothes can be made/stored away.

Within two days, New York city's subways will flood without people around to constantly pump out the water. Its not too inconceivable that plants would take over quickly, especially considering the extra rainfall from a lack of pollution being pumped out. Have you seen "Life After People", buildings would burn out and plants would more easily take them over.

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If I remember rightly life after people showed building in that level of disrepair after fifty years, not 15 said in the trailer.


An pollution would cause more rainful, why, because cities and cars create creates urban heat sinks, which cause more water to evaporate into the atmosphere, which need to full somewhere. Also particles from out combustion engines make clouds and water molecules heavier and so they are more likely to full to the ground.

The clothes look pristine, perfectly fitted, that shirt looked perfectly white not even Arial keep clothes that white, they lived on farm, probably growing there own food from the land, dirty, sweaty manual labour. It be nearly impossible for them to have such clean, undamaged clothes, no matter how careful they are looked after. This made even worst by the fact that the characters were kids when this happen, they would not have been to collect clothes that fitted them perfectly before the event happen.

As rightly pointed out, these are pampered, 21st century, Iphone/ipad kids, the likely hood that they make clothes that looked that good after 15 years is low to zero, they would be a lot more basic.
Take Hashima Island as a prime example, even after 30 years of being left to nature it is not as overgrown as it in Revolution, even Chernobyl, where nature is driving has not be taken over by plants to the extent shown in the trailer and it has 25 years of non occupation by humans.

The clothes do not look like they have been repaired, which is part of the problem.

If they want to go down the route of giving themselves pristine clothes, then they need to explain how they got those clothes, where they come from. It perfectly possible that someone has set up a factory to make them in the past 15 years and some sort of trading system exists or that people in there community taught themselves, but they need to show us that or tell us that is what happening in this world,

That reconstruction and rebuilding the world is going on, base not electricity but on other forms of power, which is an interesting story to tell. Especially if they showed someone attempting to create a new computer age perhaps using Charles Baddage difference engine, now that would be cool to see. they have not, all they shown in the film that the world is falling apart.

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Yeah, it's like judging a album or book by its cover or title... So... A trailer doesnt have to say anything at all about the show, especially with shows...

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One of the points of the thread is to speculate and discussed, we are discussing what we see in the trailer and our opinions on the trailer, it's the only material we got to go on for now, but this is a JJ Albrams show, so it unlikely to stay that way for long.

If combustion still work, then I would expect to see at least attempts to build combustion engines that do not need electricity to run. Like they did in the early days. An I believe even the US there still a few steam powered boats and trains running.

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Originally Posted by escyos

Have you gone 1 year without all the electric gadgets you use? Even after a day without my computer or iPod i feel strange. Also people are so reliant on machines to make things, the average person has no clue how to do anything. Someone living in a 15th floor apartment wont be able to grow food and will have to leave the city, there is no way to grow food in a concrete field.

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I might not have gone a year without electronic items, but I have gone a significant amount of time in the military without electronic items, and have managed just fine. Also surprising as it may be to you, but your food comes from the countryside, where quite a few people live. Now you city folk might be baffled be baffled by a life without your ipod, but as someone who lives on the family farm currently, if the power went out, I would have no problem knowing where my next meal came from, because I can look out my window and see the fields of crops and the pens full of sheep, pigs and chickens.

As unpleasant and problematic as it would be, my family, hell the whole local village, could survive without power. Wouldn't be nice and it would be a harder life, but people here do have the skills. If you looked farther than 6 feet in front of your own face, you'd realise not everybody lives up an apartment block, hooked to their iphone or ipod permanently permanently. Where you live, people might not know how to hunt, or how to slaughter an animal, or how to skin and gut it, but where I live those are common skills. It may be in a situation where the electronics went out that many people in the city would have no idea how to survive, but the fact remains there are still significant groups of people who live in the country who do have the skills to survive and even thrive.

Much like the makers of this show, you appear to have only looked out the window when it comes to considering how people would survive the situation, rather than considering the wider diaspora.

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I discussed the whole clothes thing in an earlier post.

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Who said anything about clothes? I was talking about how clean and well fed they look. You work hard, you get dirty, sweaty, your hair gets mussed up. These people look like they've never done a days manual labour in their life.

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Game of Thrones was worse than the trailer.

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Any examples? Game of Thrones is a master piece in effective marketing. It has plenty of good exciting trailers. I makes you want to watch the show. I didn't include any trailers before because I didn't want to go off topic, but since you mentioned it I will do now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJYNVhGf1s
That's how you do a trailer. It takes the best part, effectively introducing the main characters and premise while making the show look as epic and exciting as possible.

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I noticed you went on about the whole centered around the blackout thing - thats obviously the whole main point of the show, if you want a show about people growing food in their backyards and selling fish on the street, then find a show about that or make it yourself.

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Who said anything about a show about selling fish? I talked about how it would be interesting to explore how people would remake civilisation in such an event. Which states might turn into nations, How would they be governed , how would they differ, for instance the more liberal costal states with the more conservative internal states, what might they fight over.

That's interesting, that's good science fiction, not some such for whatever half baked deus ex machina the writers come up with.

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Originally Posted by The Mighty 6 platoon

I might not have gone a year without electronic items, but I have gone a significant amount of time in the military without electronic items, and have managed just fine. Also surprising as it may be to you, but your food comes from the countryside, where quite a few people live. Now you city folk might be baffled be baffled by a life without your ipod, but as someone who lives on the family farm currently, if the power went out, I would have no problem knowing where my next meal came from, because I can look out my window and see the fields of crops and the pens full of sheep, pigs and chickens.

As unpleasant and problematic as it would be, my family, hell the whole local village, could survive without power. Wouldn't be nice and it would be a harder life, but people here do have the skills. If you looked farther than 6 feet in front of your own face, you'd realise not everybody lives up an apartment block, hooked to their iphone or ipod permanently permanently. Where you live, people might not know how to hunt, or how to slaughter an animal, or how to skin and gut it, but where I live those are common skills. It may be in a situation where the electronics went out that many people in the city would have no idea how to survive, but the fact remains there are still significant groups of people who live in the country who do have the skills to survive and even thrive.

Much like the makers of this show, you appear to have only looked out the window when it comes to considering how people would survive the situation, rather than considering the wider diaspora.


Who said anything about clothes? I was talking about how clean and well fed they look. You work hard, you get dirty, sweaty, your hair gets mussed up. These people look like they've never done a days manual labour in their life.

Any examples? Game of Thrones is a master piece in effective marketing. It has plenty of good exciting trailers. I makes you want to watch the show. I didn't include any trailers before because I didn't want to go off topic, but since you mentioned it I will do now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJYNVhGf1s
That's how you do a trailer. It takes the best part, effectively introducing the main characters and premise while making the show look as epic and exciting as possible.


Who said anything about a show about selling fish? I talked about how it would be interesting to explore how people would remake civilisation in such an event. Which states might turn into nations, How would they be governed , how would they differ, for instance the more liberal costal states with the more conservative internal states, what might they fight over.

That's interesting, that's good science fiction, not some such for whatever half baked deus ex machina the writers come up with.

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Completely agree with that.

Just a note on the filthy torn clothes verses clean ones. The Amish seem to do just fine. Hard work or no. If you take care of your clothes, they'll last.

Watched the trailer a while ago and I am not looking forward to this at all. For one, it's premise is questionable at best; I'm trying to wrap my head around the whole thing, like the whole thing with the electricity going out (how can a plane spin exactly), the ability to generate electricity (surely there must be something that prevents an electric charge from being generated because if they didn't, windmills would be generating electricity right now) and society 15 years later. (I agree with everything knowles2 said, this seems less reasonable and more follow the tropes with stuff like vegetation and wear being the norm in sci-fi shows.)

The main focus of this show from watching the trailer is obviously going to be about the mythology and the characters (because what else will hook viewers after watching The Voice?) and both of those factors seem underdeveloped based on the trailer. The characters don't have that sort of appeal that Fringe has and they seem almost one dimensional in nature, (possibly a fault of the director of Iron Man helming this project.) though there may be something in the series, I doubt that there will be anything of that nature since the characters shown don't have anything that'd make me care about them. I don't know what type of mythology doesn't revolve around secret logos and groups communicating each other (which they do in this show.), the ultimate questions may revolve around what's the purpose behind the blackout, how do they generate electrical charges and what purpose do these three have but even then, there's nothing deep to the mythology at hand that'd keep anybody interested.

Plus there's stuff like the over-the-top action, forced thematics and plot holes abound. (How do governments fall due to the lack of electricity, how does anything rise up? I know we take technology for granted but it's not something that society would entirely change for.) It seems like the director of Iron Man is trying to focus on the concept, the action and the mythology rather then the society, the characters or even the inner workings of the show itself; that alone will be the shows undoing because action, concept and mythology a show does not make.

I know people out there will be anticipating it because it has J.J. Abrams name and because it will hopefully resurrect sci-fi but honestly, there are better ways to resurrect sci-fi (like coming up with good ideas.) and just because it has J.J. Abrams does not mean it'll be automatically good. Many people are also hoping this show will resurrect NBC but it won't, instead it will contribute to the grave which Comcast keeps digging for it; series like this are going to be the reason why NBC is still in bad times, alongside the comedies it tries to force along (most of which just seems like an attempt to replicate the NBC of the 90's by seeing what sticks out of all of the comedies), the stuff Comcast think will work and the lack of support that will come from veteran shows ("30 Rock", "Parks and Recreation", "The Biggest Loser", "The Office", "Law & Order SVU", "Babar") that will leave the network in this or the next year.

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Originally Posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea

Watched the trailer a while ago and I am not looking forward to this at all. For one, it's premise is questionable at best; I'm trying to wrap my head around the whole thing, like the whole thing with the electricity going out (how can a plane spin exactly)

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If you watch the released scene (not the trailer) you see a light in the street explode in sparks, most likely a surge, if a plane engine did the same, it could spin out of control.

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Originally Posted by Zombies Rise from the Sea

Plus there's stuff like the over-the-top action, forced thematics and plot holes abound. (How do governments fall due to the lack of electricity, how does anything rise up? I know we take technology for granted but it's not something that society would entirely change for.)

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Power goes out, people run out of food, start looting and killing each other, police and armed forces get overwhelmed (they lose the tech too), what use is a government then? They have no power and the economy would disappear, sitting in a fancy hall and coming up with laws serves no one, they would probably flee.

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Originally Posted by escyos

If you watch the released scene (not the trailer) you see a light in the street explode in sparks, most likely a surge, if a plane engine did the same, it could spin out of control.

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So you mean to tell me that the way they do the blackout is by adding more energy? There would have to be a ridiculously large power source that's either alien or conspicuously common and for them to use that energy around the world is implausible, even with an electrical interference field. Additionally if they were overloading it then there would be some sort of electrical area out there that's built to handle any energy surge no matter how big or small.

What they did in the show was remove all the electricity; so tell me, to remove all the electricity do they oversurge it or neutralize it or do they find a way to prevent the electrical charge from happening? (Note: Energy can be generated by friction, most of us human beings consist of electricity or an electrical current, also windmills.)

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Originally Posted by escyos

Power goes out, people run out of food

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I doubt they'd run out of food, it may take longer but we have farms that can grow this stuff and we have ways of delivering it that don't require electricity.

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Originally Posted by escyos

start looting and killing each other, police and armed forces get overwhelmed (they lose the tech too)

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Because of the situation at hand; even if they lose the tech, the guns they have still work and they can find ways to utilize the tank shells without having electricity; they're not completely powerless if they lose the tech.

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Originally Posted by escyos

what use is a government then? They have no power and the economy would disappear

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Well a government is there to set rules, manage zoning, maintain the community, just make sure that the city is running in an orderly fashion. There was government back when there wasn't electricity, hell there was communication back when there wasn't electricity through the usage of an old trusty horse. Sure, there wasn't one unified government like we have now but the ideology of government still existed and several unions were doing fine with such government.

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sitting in a fancy hall and coming up with laws serves no one, they would probably flee.

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Again, they have ways of enforcing it; it's just that the producers decided to ignore that because the government collapsing would be cooler.

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So you mean to tell me that the way they do the blackout is by adding more energy? There would have to be a ridiculously large power source that's either alien or conspicuously common and for them to use that energy around the world is implausible, even with an electrical interference field. Additionally if they were overloading it then there would be some sort of electrical area out there that's built to handle any energy surge no matter how big or small.


What they did in the show was remove all the electricity; so tell me, to remove all the electricity do they oversurge it or neutralize it or do they find a way to prevent the electrical charge from happening? (Note: Energy can be generated by friction, most of us human beings consist of electricity or an electrical current, also windmills.)

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Unless you can see into the future, how about we wait and see what their explanation/reason for the blackout is before saying what they did, and trying to poke holes in it.

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I doubt they'd run out of food, it may take longer but we have farms that can grow this stuff and we have ways of delivering it that don't require electricity.

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Please enlighten us as to how without power or technology, they will feed 300 million people. Once the canned and wrapped food runs out (and it will be hoarded by those who like to take advantage), the farms are gonna have trouble doing that.

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Because of the situation at hand; even if they lose the tech, the guns they have still work and they can find ways to utilize the tank shells without having electricity; they're not completely powerless if they lose the tech.

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The guns ordinary citizens and militias have still work. And they dont rely on a vast communications network.

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Well a government is there to set rules, manage zoning, maintain the community, just make sure that the city is running in an orderly fashion. There was government back when there wasn't electricity, hell there was communication back when there wasn't electricity through the usage of an old trusty horse. Sure, there wasn't one unified government like we have now but the ideology of government still existed and several unions were doing fine with such government.

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And back when there wasnt electricity, there wasnt 300 million people and a civilization that relied on electronic communication. That trusty old horse is fine for the few in the country who can ride and look after one.

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Again, they have ways of enforcing it; it's just that the producers decided to ignore that because the government collapsing would be cooler.

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Enlighten us.

[QUOTE=Ukko;13346602]Unless you can see into the future, how about we wait and see what their explanation/reason for the blackout is before saying what they did, and trying to poke holes in it.

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Please enlighten us as to how without power or technology, they will feed 300 million people. Once the canned and wrapped food runs out (and it will be hoarded by those who like to take advantage), the farms are gonna have trouble doing that.

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Fema as plans to secure such sites in America, without large scale communication infrastructure, as this would require in an atomic war scenerio. Of cause large sections of society would have to be adapted to run without electricity, and quickly, tough but not impossible.

Unsurprisingly less developed nations would find this change much easier to cope with, it be nice to see what happening in places like Africa.

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The guns ordinary citizens and militias have still work. And they dont rely on a vast communications network.

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Civilians would have to go up against well trained and armed army guys. You imagine for several days or a few weeks at least the population would think it just a normal blackout or a terrorist attack using electromagnetic field and that the government will be returning power shortly. In that time the Government would gather people quickly to access how to run our current infrastructure without electricity, deploying army troops in all major cities and food rashioning would come in.
expect announce that steam engines would be rapidly built and that government would sieze the relevent factories and infrastructure to get that operational.

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And back when there wasnt electricity, there wasnt 300 million people and a civilization that relied on electronic communication. That trusty old horse is fine for the few in the country who can ride and look after one.

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Combustion engines would still work, you just need a different ignition system, if the government can maintain order for a few weeks and produce plans to get the country back up and running there more likely most people would support them.

We can only judge by the quality of the trailer, which show several cliché storyline (secret organisation, boy defends dad, dad dies because of boy, mysterious communications with person face hidden, secrete object that needs protecting,). The Airline crash scene look silly and was clearly design for visual impact rather than realism, which for me this story needs.

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Please enlighten us as to how without power or technology, they will feed 300 million people. Once the canned and wrapped food runs out (and it will be hoarded by those who like to take advantage), the farms are gonna have trouble doing that.

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Easy, though there may not be electricity to operate those combines or those automated canning machines; we can easily work the machines that were made before electricity and operate the machines ourselves. I mean all the machines do is take out the hard work, all we need to do is do the hard work. As for the 300 million people well some of those people can work at the factories the same way they work at Foxxcon, there are a lot of people; I'm sure most of them would appreciate doing the work just to get some benefit out of it.

Just because there isn't any electricity doesn't mean there's a way to get the work done.

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The guns ordinary citizens and militias have still work.

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I already mentioned that.

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And they dont rely on a vast communications network.

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Who said anything about a vast communications network? I wasn't thinking about any communications network when thinking about the situation at hand and even then, the people that make up the armed forces, army, military and navy won't be utterly powerless without communication; they won't be overwhelmed by people with guns that don't have communication. Sure, they can't coordinate globally but they can initially communicate locally (during the blackout) then work their way up to global communication, don't assume they're powerless because they're cut off.

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And back when there wasnt electricity, there wasnt 300 million people and a civilization that relied on electronic communication.

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That's because it's easier and quicker, not because it opened up new ways to communicate with each other. The trusty mail system thankfully still exists (though being increasingly ignored by the new generation) and there would be little change as to how people communicate with each other with the exception of making it harder to discover other people and places to discuss (like this forum).

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That trusty old horse is fine for the few in the country who can ride and look after one.

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Where I live there is a suburban city which has paths specifically designed for horses, most of the city even revolves around a horsing theme. Though they may be country-oriented, they often expand into the most suburban (and industrial) of areas and from the people I've met, they mostly use their horses rather then their cars because they're acquainted with them and serve most of the same purpose.

I think I'm beginning to understand why the people behind Revolution made society the way it is; people have forgone steam propulsion technology, paper-based communication methods and even stuff like horses for things like cars, electrically powered engines and the internet, so much so that they'd mostly be unable to transition to the ways of old, thus leading to a world where pony express mail, hand operated machinery and even steam trains are barely existent.

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Enlighten us.

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Okay...

• The establishment of various government offices around every city to enforce laws.
• Using the pony express to communicate with the white house.
• Having strict guidelines for the people they do employ to enforce those offices.
• Actually making sure those laws would work in today's times. (people do rebel if the laws are unfair)

And for the situation itself.

• The setting up of a system that'd allow food to come in an easy manner.
• Providing the basis for the reconstruction of ancient technology that is now practical.
• Gaining public appeal by sympathizing with the situation.
• An adjustment of the taxes to compensate for today's times.
• The initial lack of war and formation of a union between countries.

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Fema as plans to secure such sites in America, without large scale communication infrastructure, as this would require in an atomic war scenerio. Of cause large sections of society would have to be adapted to run without electricity, and quickly, tough but not impossible.

Unsurprisingly less developed nations would find this change much easier to cope with, it be nice to see what happening in places like Africa.

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Securing sites isnt a problem (unless malitias turn up or farmers dont allow it), producing enough for, and distributing to 300 million people is the problem. Look at the mess that was Katrina. FEMA would also need communications.

If the TV's still worked, the folks in Africa would probably be pointing and laughing.:p

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Civilians would have to go up against well trained and armed army guys. You imagine for several days or a few weeks at least the population would think it just a normal blackout or a terrorist attack using electromagnetic field and that the government will be returning power shortly. In that time the Government would gather people quickly to access how to run our current infrastructure without electricity, deploying army troops in all major cities and food rashioning would come in.
expect announce that steam engines would be rapidly built and that government would sieze the relevent factories and infrastructure to get that operational.

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I think you're underestimating how heavily armed the American populace is.

Yes, their training will give them an advantage, but their technological advantage goes out the window, and they're vastly outnumbered and unable to receive orders. They would be just as clueless as the civilians. The impression i got from the trailer was that this is something that just happens, click. No time to prepare.

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Combustion engines would still work, you just need a different ignition system, if the government can maintain order for a few weeks and produce plans to get the country back up and running there more likely most people would support them.

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To produce plans for a fix that quick, and get the country back up and running, they would need the kind of efficient communications that they've just lost. The government can do what it does now because it has the means to do so.
Combustion engines would also need fuel. Theres some fun panicking.

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We can only judge by the quality of the trailer, which show several cliché storyline (secret organisation, boy defends dad, dad dies because of boy, mysterious communications with person face hidden, secrete object that needs protecting,). The Airline crash scene look silly and was clearly design for visual impact rather than realism, which for me this story needs.

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Firstly, the bolded parts arent clichés, and the communication with person whose face is hidden, well, your doing that now with me right now and everyone else on here. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with clichés. Any half decent writer knows this. Its the execution that matters, and until we see the show, we cant judge the execution.

Thats how TV and movies work, both being visual mediums and all.

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Firstly, the bolded parts arent clichés, and the communication with person whose face is hidden, well, your doing that now with me right now and everyone else on here. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with clichés. Any half decent writer knows this. Its the execution that matters, and until we see the show, we cant judge the execution.

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Okay technically they are not cliches, but they are way over use plot devices and to include so many in a single trailer is close to being unforgivable, I will still end up watching it but base of the trailer I am not expecting much.

The trailer execution is average, again compare to trailers we have from Games of Thrones, or the excellent trailers released for Walking Dead, and even Fallen Skies had better trailers than this.

Saying it a visual medium, does not give the writers excuses for not being creative or resorting same or similar plot devices. Only lazy writers, producers and directors do that. Good ones find new and exciting ways to expand the medium and show the audience something they have not seen before.

We clearly have to different view points on human nature, but I believe that we tend not to panicked, we tend to remain calm and we tend to work together to solve problems. An if such a disaster did happen, we would not see the level of destruction that we saw in the trailer. But hopefully the writers will show use how all that occurred during the show and provide reasons. I actually think chaos, if there is chaos would be relatively short live and government would bring back order relatively quickly.

Hopefully the show will show a little of what happens in the rest of the world as well.

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Okay technically they are not cliches, but they are way over use plot devices and to include so many in a single trailer is close to being unforgivable, I will still end up watching it but base of the trailer I am not expecting much.

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Pick up any book or show me a any TV show and i'll point out multiple overused plot devices. Like i said before, its the execution that matters, and untill we see the show, we just dont know.

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The trailer the execution is average, again compare to trailers we have from Games of Thrones, or the excellent trailers released for Walking Dead, and even Fallen SKies had better trailers than this.

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There are few shows made that can match the quality of those ones. But pointing out those shows and your above words; Zombie apocalypse, Alien invasion/apocalypse and warring kingdoms/kings, incest and politicking are certainly nothing new or original. But GoT, WD and FS are examples of top quality execution.

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We clearly have to different view points on human nature, but I believe that we tend not to panicked, we tend to remain calm and we tend to work together to solve problems. An if such a disaster did happen, we would not see the level of destruction that we saw in the trailer. But hopefully the writers will show use how all that occurred during the show and provide reasons. I actually think chaos, if there is chaos would be relatively short live and government would bring back order relatively quickly.

Hopefully the show will show a little of what happens in the rest of the world as well.

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People go crazy enough when we have the means to properly recover and rebuild after a disaster. If you, quite literally, flip a switch and "turn off" civilization one night, people are going to panic (understatment).

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People go crazy enough when we have the means to properly recover and rebuild after a disaster. If you, quite literally, flip a switch and "turn off" civilization one night, people are going to panic (understatment).

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I totally agree with that. I think that things would get pretty ugly quickly.

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Because of the situation at hand; even if they lose the tech, the guns they have still work and they can find ways to utilize the tank shells without having electricity; they're not completely powerless if they lose the tech.

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Yes its not like there are any example of when the power goes out for a few hours that people DON'T start looting...

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Yes its not like there are any example of when the power goes out for a few hours that people DON'T start looting...

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Still... Even if they start looting (and considering the security of some of the stores out there today, even if the power goes out.) and start getting better weapons; they're not going to get overpowered by the onslaught. They know what to do and they know how to communicate with each other during such incidents, quanity = equal quality.

And there was an incident in LA where the power was out for a few days and nobody looted within the first few hours from my knowledge, I doubt they'd start looting instantly but they would get uneasy about the situation when after a few days the power isn't going to be coming back on.

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People go crazy enough when we have the means to properly recover and rebuild after a disaster. If you, quite literally, flip a switch and "turn off" civilization one night, people are going to panic (understatment)

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Do they, I did not see people go crazy in Japan Earth Quake, or Haiti, or in fact that 2004 India sea earth Quake, or a better example would the massive black out of new york city that happen a few years ago.
Katrina did drove some people go insane but that appears to be exception to the rule rather than the rule. Most humans pull together in a crisis and help each other out, these far out weigh the individualistic people in society, who are either frozen or come round to the group thinking.

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Do they, I did not see people go crazy in Japan Earth Quake, or Haiti, or in fact that 2004 India sea earth Quake, or a better example would the massive black out of new york city that happen a few years ago.

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I have to full-heatedly agree with him. I mean even in a show like this, they wouldn't go insane because of the lack of technology just as a full government collapse wouldn't be possible.

Though people are waiting for the show to see what happens, I'm certain the show will fail for these reasons. Over-exaggeration of government collapse and consequences for plot reasons (which people ,will try to justify), the entire power draining thing being convoluted (some people say it's a surge but from my looks of it, it seems like something's preventing an electrical charge from forming; the show may provide some explanation on this but still, it convoluted even if explained.), the theatrics lacking substance and the lack of compelling characters. It does look good but then again anything can look good, it does look science-fictiony but true science-fiction to me is exploring the unknown, taking risks, raising questions that people will linger on for years, actually showing what can be possible and daring to be different. This is just following the trends and favoring style over substance which most sci-fi movies and some series have done in recent times. Both audiences will be disappointed.

I swear some truly innovative, intellectual and offbeat person needs to step up to the plate and create a sci-fi series; the truly innovative and the truly offbeat people are the ones who manage to think of stuff we never could think of and if that person can create something sci-fi that truly goes where no man has gone before then he might just resurrect sci-fi as we speak.

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I have to full-heatedly agree with him. I mean even in a show like this, they wouldn't go insane because of the lack of technology just as a full government collapse wouldn't be possible.

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The examples being referred to are indeed major incidents, but they only affected a certain city or geographical area. The reason people pulled together so well in those instances was partly because they had the full country's support as well as the rest of the world. What happens when there is no support for anyone? The best example would be, what if the New York blackouts weren't just in New York, but in the whole country? Or the entire world? Would the response have been the same?

The show is focusing on a global incident which affects absolutely everyone. I'm not sure about the 'realism' of this show, though from the trailer, there do appear to be some questionable aspects. The point is, anyone who creates these types of shows that focus on global incidents can pretty much create the world however they want since there is no benchmark to compare to in our history.

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Still... Even if they start looting (and considering the security of some of the stores out there today, even if the power goes out.) and start getting better weapons; they're not going to get overpowered by the onslaught. They know what to do and they know how to communicate with each other during such incidents, quanity = equal quality.

And there was an incident in LA where the power was out for a few days and nobody looted within the first few hours from my knowledge, I doubt they'd start looting instantly but they would get uneasy about the situation when after a few days the power isn't going to be coming back on.

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Yes but, lets take for example me. I'm sitting in my room, suddenly the power goes out. Fair enough, but my laptop does not work either. Weird but maybe the blackout fried it. Grab my ipod to listen to music, it does not work, maybe the battery died. Pick up my phone to play a game, it too does not work. Things start to get weird. I leave my room, with the card reader unable to let me back into my room. I go outside, other people are claiming that their phones are dead and cars wont start. Now I start to feel a little freaked out.

After five days I would be very worried, no emergency services have been heard from, without cars they would have difficulty moving about. Food begins to run low and cooking meat etc is difficult to do. I grab what money i have and head to the store to try to buy something, however the owner does not let anyone in, as he has no way to know and add prices, people start freaking out and yelling. Suddenly the door is busted open and people start grabbing stuff. What should I do, sit around and judge the others, no i grab some stuff and run for it.

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What happens when there is no support for anyone? The best example would be, what if the New York blackouts weren't just in New York, but in the whole country? Or the entire world? Would the response have been the same?

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In my opinion, yes... While it effects everybody, the people in the area think that it's local and would result in the same bonding together as the other incidents; and though the county (or government) may not be as efficient as before, they'd still be able to help.

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The point is, anyone who creates these types of shows that focus on global incidents can pretty much create the world however they want since there is no benchmark to compare to in our history.

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There may be no benchmark but that doesn't mean they can't utilize more effort to build the world that they want; ie actually researching the governments instead of claiming that they fell due to lack of electricity.

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Yes but, lets take for example me. I'm sitting in my room, suddenly the power goes out. Fair enough, but my laptop does not work either. Weird but maybe the blackout fried it. Grab my ipod to listen to music, it does not work, maybe the battery died. Pick up my phone to play a game, it too does not work. Things start to get weird. I leave my room, with the card reader unable to let me back into my room. I go outside, other people are claiming that their phones are dead and cars wont start. Now I start to feel a little freaked out.

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Just like Tom Cruise in War of the Worlds.

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After five days I would be very worried, no emergency services have been heard from, without cars they would have difficulty moving about.

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They could still be heard from, (though the difficulty part is noted) and the local government of the city can still organize a meeting to gather the town together and discuss what's wrong.

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Food begins to run low and cooking meat etc is difficult to do.

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If the gas pipes still work than you could use those and flames to ignite the stove and cook food. Additionally you can also create a fire to cook your food on if you've kept gasoline or matches (or more rarely, the ability to use flint rock to actually start fires)

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I grab what money i have and head to the store to try to buy something, however the owner does not let anyone in, as he has no way to know and add prices

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This is why price tags exist; people need to know how much things cost, otherwise there'd be lots of instances where they'd bring the item to a cashier or a scanner just to know how much it would cost. though there'd be no way to figure out the global demand for prices during a blackout, he can still locally modify prices by changing the price tag; though unfairness does play some part here.

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people start freaking out and yelling. Suddenly the door is busted open and people start grabbing stuff. What should I do, sit around and judge the others, no i grab some stuff and run for it.

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I understand if they didn't let people in but for not knowing how to know and add prices, doubtful. Riots usually start randomly, either out of anger or due to some issue where someone isn't getting the help they need and the people just join in because hey, if one guy is doing it, why can't we? I can't exactly pinpoint which riots become logical (as in for survival) or senseless (just random looting without any survival purpose whatsoever.) but the riot mentality exists.

I still doubt that the blackout would cause them to loot and riot; unless there was something that drove them over the edge but that would have to be extremely sudden in a coordinated world like this.

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In my opinion, yes... While it effects everybody, the people in the area think that it's local and would result in the same bonding together as the other incidents; and though the county (or government) may not be as efficient as before, they'd still be able to help.

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You seem to think its the same as a simple power cut. My laptop, phone, MP3 player and everything else i own that runs on batteries, still work during a power cut. Cars and backup generators still work. Planes falling from the sky (living near an airport, thats something i'd notice) isnt something that happens during a power cut and anyone with half a brain could tell that something is seriously wrong if all that started happening; not simply believe it a local blackout.
Less efficient? As with governments, they (emergency services, people in general etc) wouldnt know where to go to help, or what to help with. Nothing works. How are firemen to get to fires and put them out? How are hospitals going to function without any power? Especially at night. How are the police or military going to keep control when they have no way of knowing where the trouble is, or have the means to get there in anything close to reasonable time? Same goes for ambulances. They would probably kill to simply be "less efficient".

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There may be no benchmark but that doesn't mean they can't utilize more effort to build the world that they want; ie actually researching the governments instead of claiming that they fell due to lack of electricity.

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Governments can govern now because they have the means to do so, take away that means and they cease to govern.

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Just like Tom Cruise in War of the Worlds.

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Theres an accurate depiction of what would happen....

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They could still be heard from, (though the difficulty part is noted) and the local government of the city can still organize a meeting to gather the town together and discuss what's wrong.

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How would you hear from them? How are they to know where they're needed, get there and be able to help? You'd need to bump into them in the street.
Effective, efficient communication would be needed to organize such a meeting. The whole city or town (unless very small) wouldnt know of this meeting, and no one would know what was wrong. Local governments are useless enough already.

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If the gas pipes still work than you could use those and flames to ignite the stove and cook food. Additionally you can also create a fire to cook your food on if you've kept gasoline or matches (or more rarely, the ability to use flint rock to actually start fires)

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And what happens to the pipelines when SCADA goes offline?
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This is why price tags exist; people need to know how much things cost, otherwise there'd be lots of instances where they'd bring the item to a cashier or a scanner just to know how much it would cost. though there'd be no way to figure out the global demand for prices during a blackout, he can still locally modify prices by changing the price tag; though unfairness does play some part here.


I understand if they didn't let people in but for not knowing how to know and add prices, doubtful. Riots usually start randomly, either out of anger or due to some issue where someone isn't getting the help they need and the people just join in because hey, if one guy is doing it, why can't we? I can't exactly pinpoint which riots become logical (as in for survival) or senseless (just random looting without any survival purpose whatsoever.) but the riot mentality exists.

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How are people going to pay exactly? Withdraw money from the bank? Cos they're gonna need cash, and lots of it. Cards are no good anymore. Tills wont work either.
Riots and looting will ensue. Tempers will flare. People will want to "defend" there own and "protect" whats theirs. Mob rule.

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I still doubt that the blackout would cause them to loot and riot; unless there was something that drove them over the edge but that would have to be extremely sudden in a coordinated world like this.

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People will loot and riot if they see the opportunity to do so. The recent UK riots are an example of that.
Need for food, clean water, fule etc are perfect reasons for people to go over the edge. The event doesnt happen gradually, its sudden. Someone hits the off switch.

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They could still be heard from, (though the difficulty part is noted) and the local government of the city can still organize a meeting to gather the town together and discuss what's wrong.

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First a politician would have to get to their building, meet with the other politicians, divide up tasks, get their aides to run these tasks out (its the city, there are no horse and carts roaming about). You'd need a large area to aspeak at, but then people too would need the means to get there, if they have to walk 15 km they probably won't bother, just send one person per street to find out and report back. Even then, the government would just have to say, keep calm. Thats all they can do.

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If the gas pipes still work than you could use those and flames to ignite the stove and cook food. Additionally you can also create a fire to cook your food on if you've kept gasoline or matches (or more rarely, the ability to use flint rock to actually start fires)

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I heard a story here at uni about a guy who, when the power was out just waited for it to come back on to eat. People are going to refuse to cook any other way and resort to stealing simple food from others. Yes we would make a fire and cook our meat, but we would have to cook it all and it wouldn't last too long after that.

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This is why price tags exist; people need to know how much things cost, otherwise there'd be lots of instances where they'd bring the item to a cashier or a scanner just to know how much it would cost. though there'd be no way to figure out the global demand for prices during a blackout, he can still locally modify prices by changing the price tag; though unfairness does play some part here.

I understand if they didn't let people in but for not knowing how to know and add prices, doubtful. Riots usually start randomly, either out of anger or due to some issue where someone isn't getting the help they need and the people just join in because hey, if one guy is doing it, why can't we? I can't exactly pinpoint which riots become logical (as in for survival) or senseless (just random looting without any survival purpose whatsoever.) but the riot mentality exists.

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Yes but the cashier is either tasked with walking to check the prices, writing down all the prices in the store and then have to manually add them up on the spot (the average person is terrible at such a thing) or just take the customers word on the price. The second people start having to pay $50/litre water they will get desperate, push each other and the riot has begun.

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I still doubt that the blackout would cause them to loot and riot; unless there was something that drove them over the edge but that would have to be extremely sudden in a coordinated world like this.

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In my hometown, a massive storm blew in and cut off the power, within seconds, people were knocking down an old security guard, grabbing food and running for it. People love getting something for nothing, and generally take the opportunity to do so.


An example of how the government/food stores would cease to work after long: A store is selling corn, they normally get in three crates on horse and cart taking two weeks between shipments, suddenly refugees, fleeing the bigger cities arrive, willing to sell their gold and other items for food. The store owner would need to wait four weeks for food, by then people have died of starvation. We rely on communication more than electricity to get things done, without it, we'd need to train a lots of messenger pigeons....unfortunately hungry people have eaten all the pigeons.

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You seem to think its the same as a simple power cut. My laptop, phone, MP3 player and everything else i own that runs on batteries, still work during a power cut. Cars and backup generators still work. Planes falling from the sky (living near an airport, thats something i'd notice) isnt something that happens during a power cut and anyone with half a brain could tell that something is seriously wrong if all that started happening; not simply believe it a local blackout.

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Even if the people noticed the planes falling from the sky (which would be rare unless the area was a popular airplane destination), they would still think it's local. Hell they would even try to find out whether or not other cities have the same thing happening to them.

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Less efficient? As with governments, they (emergency services, people in general etc) wouldnt know where to go to help, or what to help with. Nothing works.

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That doesn't mean there are ways to help out, hence the reason why there are a equivalent amount of ways to help without using technology.

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How are firemen to get to fires and put them out?

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Without electricity there would be no lights, no lights means the ability to see natural light (especially stars) better, hence the ability to notice fires.

Or they could place up a tower and use signals; I mean people have used signals without electricity by using fire and mirrors...

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How are hospitals going to function without any power? Especially at night.

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They still have the supplies to do so, they just don't have the ability to detect a heartbeat or even do complex operational stuff. (making it much more difficult but not impossible.)

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How are the police or military going to keep control when they have no way of knowing where the trouble is, or have the means to get there in anything close to reasonable time?

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No electricity also means no noise therefore noises (especially riot noises) would be more noticeable to the police; and the police have the means, it's called running. Police are usually fast on their feat, not letting up until either the other person tires out or they do; which for the police officer is more rare.

Or they could borrow horses from the populace.

Same thing I said about the tower applies here.

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Same goes for ambulances. They would probably kill to simply be "less efficient".

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Or they could adapt to the situation and carry a medical kit that would support them for a few hours with quick fix surgery while they carried them to a hospital.

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Governments can govern now because they have the means to do so, take away that means and they cease to govern.

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So how did the governments govern in the olden days without technology and electricity? Saying that the government needs this stuff is an overstatement, I mean there are governments that don't even rely on technology.

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How would you hear from them?

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Making their voice as loud as possible, organizing meetings; they can still organize the populace and try to manage the situation you know.

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Effective, efficient communication would be needed to organize such a meeting. The whole city or town (unless very small) wouldnt know of this meeting, and no one would know what was wrong. Local governments are useless enough already.

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There is word of mouth and things such as posters and flyers; just because there isn't internet or radio or even TV doesn't mean there can't be a way to let people know about these meetings.

They don't need to know what's wrong, they just need to be reassured.

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And what happens to the pipelines when SCADA goes offline?
Pipeline operation.

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Manual operation? Surely they'd think of such a situation since the system is suspectable to power loses. (for both primary and backup)

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How are people going to pay exactly? Withdraw money from the bank?

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Yes, ATMs and Banks have cash and it may be less difficult if they kept some form of written account information with them; otherwise it's going to be difficult.

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Aware but still... they don't need that much cash.

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Cards are no good anymore. Tills wont work either.

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True for cash, not true for cash registers since the bottom part can be opened but calculations would have to be done on paper.

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Riots and looting will ensue. Tempers will flare. People will want to "defend" there own and "protect" whats theirs. Mob rule.

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I doubt that people would want to defend their own but you are right in that people will become agitated in this situation.

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People will loot and riot if they see the opportunity to do so. The recent UK riots are an example of that.

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Note when I say "over the edge", the LA riots happen because people were pissed off about the outcome of Rodney King, the UK riots happened because people were pissed off at their government, hell, they even rioted when the Lakers won.

Riots start when something sets them over the edge, makes the entire group of people disregard everything and just do whatever they want whether it's organized or not.

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Need for food, clean water, fule etc are perfect reasons for people to go over the edge. The event doesnt happen gradually, its sudden. Someone hits the off switch.

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That's true, but what I think will cause the riot will be one person complaining about the price and stock and then throwing an item and the entire group joining along; agitation causes riots and like I said before, they wouldn't riot suddenly if a sudden event happened; it has to build up to the point where tensions are high enough to cause riots.

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Even if the people noticed the planes falling from the sky (which would be rare unless the area was a popular airplane destination), they would still think it's local. Hell they would even try to find out whether or not other cities have the same thing happening to them.

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Rare?!?! There has been one and only one time when i can remember there not being any planes in the sky. And that was Iceland's fault. Planes are always flying overhead; anyone who thinks them falling from the sky is simply a local problem, is a fool.

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That doesn't mean there are ways to help out, hence the reason why there are a equivalent amount of ways to help without using technology.

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Hehe.:p

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Without electricity there would be no lights, no lights means the ability to see natural light (especially stars) better, hence the ability to notice fires.


Or they could place up a tower and use signals; I mean people have used signals without electricity by using fire and mirrors...

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And push their fire engines there.

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They still have the supplies to do so, they just don't have the ability to detect a heartbeat or even do complex operational stuff. (making it much more difficult but not impossible.)

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And when all those supplies have been used on all the folks in the actual hospital who's lives are suddenly in danger when all the machines blink out (that would be their primary concern)? They take placebos to the rest of us?

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No electricity also means no noise therefore noises (especially riot noises) would be more noticeable to the police; and the police have the means, it's called running. Police are usually fast on their feat, not letting up until either the other person tires out or they do; which for the police officer is more rare.

Or they could borrow horses from the populace.

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Running. They can get there in time to see empty shops and burned out buildings. Police dont run miles in their riot gear. As for the military, it'd be interesting to see how they manage to get half our armed forces back from the desert.

You seem to think every one in the military or police can ride, that all the horse around are trained for riot situations and that there are enough horse to go around. The horse owners might be inclined to keep them for themselves to use.

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Or they could adapt to the situation and carry a medical kit that would support them for a few hours with quick fix surgery while they carried them to a hospital.

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Lets hope no one needs help at night, or requires anything remotly complicated.

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So how did the governments govern in the olden days without technology and electricity? Saying that the government needs this stuff is an overstatement, I mean there are governments that don't even rely on technology.

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From Wiki.
Year Population
1625- 1,980
1641- 50,000
1688- 200,000
1702- 270,000
1715- 435,000
1749- 1,000,000
1754- 1,500,000
1765- 2,200,000
1775- 2,400,000

The "olden days" cant be compared to today's 300 million people living in a fully industrialised and mechanised society. Today's government definitely does need this stuff.

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Making their voice as loud as possible, organizing meetings; they can still organize the populace and try to manage the situation you know.

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Shouting in a city full of frightened, panicked people. Useful.

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There is word of mouth and things such as posters and flyers; just because there isn't internet or radio or even TV doesn't mean there can't be a way to let people know about these meetings.

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Posters and flyers? Maybe in a small village.

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They don't need to know what's wrong, they just need to be reassured.

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Reassured by who? No one knows whats going on.

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Manual operation? Surely they'd think of such a situation since the system is suspectable to power loses. (for both primary and backup)

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Wasnt in the article. What about all the electronic locks and security?

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Yes, ATMs and Banks have cash and it may be less difficult if they kept some form of written account information with them; otherwise it's going to be difficult.

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You need to be able to get at the money in the banks vaults and ATM's. All the electronic security, key cards and what not.

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Aware but still... they don't need that much cash.

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If they want to stock up on food and water they do.

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I doubt that people would want to defend their own but you are right in that people will become agitated in this situation.

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Agitated, frightened, angry, looking for someone to blame (i can see idiots turning on Muslim neighbours), an us and them mentality.

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Note when I say "over the edge", the LA riots happen because people were pissed off about the outcome of Rodney King, the UK riots happened because people were pissed off at their government, hell, they even rioted when the Lakers won.

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The UK riots happened because idiots saw an opportunity and jumped on a bandwagon.

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Riots start when something sets them over the edge, makes the entire group of people disregard everything and just do whatever they want whether it's organized or not.

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It takes very little to set people over the edge.

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That's true, but what I think will cause the riot will be one person complaining about the price and stock and then throwing an item and the entire group joining along; agitation causes riots and like I said before, they wouldn't riot suddenly if a sudden event happened; it has to build up to the point where tensions are high enough to cause riots.

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Some would, and thats all it takes.

I think that people wont want to simply move back and start farming, people will form gangs and take what they want. There is nothing that any government could do, if they wanted the army they would have to send someone to get them, and by the time they managed to walk/ride back, it could all be over. Two police officers in a riot cannot call for backup, they would have no chance.


Also: Revolution Wiki moved the wiki to its own home.

Ok... So Tim guinee will play in the second season of homeland as well.. courious on how it will conflict it with revolution :D

Saw a preview for this...looks interesting.

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Saw a preview for this...looks interesting.

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First a politician would have to get to their building, meet with the other politicians, divide up tasks, get their aides to run these tasks out (its the city, there are no horse and carts roaming about).

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Noted and this is where the difficulty part comes in but some places contain horses and there are bikes that they can use. (I can't believe I've forgotten about the bikes, the most simplistic transportation method yet.)

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You'd need a large area to aspeak at, but then people too would need the means to get there, if they have to walk 15 km they probably won't bother, just send one person per street to find out and report back.

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I have walked 15 km (or 9 miles in US terms), there isn't any reason they can't do it though I would put less doubt into their unwillingness to do anything; there's nothing to do for them at home, they'd be standing around hopelessly and incidents usually bring out the most willing of aspects (such as the ability to do anything) so people will probably be willing to walk 15 miles if they don't have a bike or horse to take them there.

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I heard a story here at uni about a guy who, when the power was out just waited for it to come back on to eat. People are going to refuse to cook any other way and resort to stealing simple food from others.

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They're going to refuse because they're unwilling of going back to the olden ways; something which I think humanity is capable of doing. I'm guessing the people behind Revolution thought the same way and thus gave the perception that humanity is so addicted to technology in the first scenes of the trailer.

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Yes we would make a fire and cook our meat, but we would have to cook it all and it wouldn't last too long after that.

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You wouldn't have to cook all of your meat, you'd just have to make sure that your meat remains cold for as long as the environment where the meat is in remains cold, that means not leaving the door open for long amounts of time and having an organized fridge where you can easily reach anything that you want.

Certain types of wood are reignitable and if we don't have those then certainly we'd have plenty of wood to start a fire around.

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Yes but the cashier is either tasked with walking to check the prices, writing down all the prices in the store and then have to manually add them up on the spot (the average person is terrible at such a thing)

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This is the reason why stores have aisles and the reason organization exists, if everything is unorganized and in one isle then not only would the cashiers have trouble but so would the customers; and the trusty pad and pencil is the most reliable thing humanity has to add prices.

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or just take the customers word on the price. The second people start having to pay $50/litre water they will get desperate, push each other and the riot has begun.

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In my hometown, a massive storm blew in and cut off the power, within seconds, people were knocking down an old security guard, grabbing food and running for it. People love getting something for nothing, and generally take the opportunity to do so.

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I still think people would unite together in a situation like this, I mean if everybody started rioting then it would lead them nowhere and they'd be in a worse predicament then they were now. Sure, they'll be idiots but the bond of a community is stronger then a bunch of rioters.

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An example of how the government/food stores would cease to work after long: A store is selling corn, they normally get in three crates on horse and cart taking two weeks between shipments, suddenly refugees, fleeing the bigger cities arrive, willing to sell their gold and other items for food. The store owner would need to wait four weeks for food, by then people have died of starvation. We rely on communication more than electricity to get things done, without it, we'd need to train a lots of messenger pigeons....unfortunately hungry people have eaten all the pigeons.

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Well we have smoke signals, we have glare signals, we have the pony express, we have propulsion trains; we have ways to communicate that even though aren't as efficient as modern times, are still efficient enough.

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Rare?!?! There has been one and only one time when i can remember there not being any planes in the sky. And that was Iceland's fault. Planes are always flying overhead; anyone who thinks them falling from the sky is simply a local problem, is a fool.

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Where I live I barely see airplanes flying over, and I live near an international airport. For the public to think of planes flying out of the sky as a global event, there'd have to be the same number as the ones shown in the Revolution trailer (note, there were 6-7 planes up there all mostly close to each other.); otherwise one or two planes flying from the sky will be counted as a local event.

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And push their fire engines there.

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No, I doubt they'd push their fire engines there, all they'd need to carry is a pump to get the water, a really tall ladder and something to get them to the area quickly.

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And when all those supplies have been used on all the folks in the actual hospital who's lives are suddenly in danger when all the machines blink out (that would be their primary concern)? They take placebos to the rest of us?

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Medical science (and teaching) does not exclude herbal or natural treatments, if all of the pills (from major pharmaceutical companies) are used up then they can simply switch to stuff used from natural sources; additionally, the stuff that they use to sedate and disinfect also come naturally; such as alcohol. Plants have managed to serve many purposes for many years, I doubt they'd fail us when it comes to incidents like this.

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Running. They can get there in time to see empty shops and burned out buildings. Police dont run miles in their riot gear.

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But they still run, the best police officers manage to go on for miles just running; I have yet to see a top police officer run out of breath before the perk does.

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As for the military, it'd be interesting to see how they manage to get half our armed forces back from the desert.

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Easy, just send people to their bases and round them up (depending on whether or not their training includes the location of the base.) or send a hanglider and drop smoke flares on the locations where troops are found.

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You seem to think every one in the military or police can ride, that all the horse around are trained for riot situations and that there are enough horse to go around.

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Well they can ride them; I didn't say they'd be use for riot situations, just transportation only and horses are the same as cars, there are a limited amount of them unless they managed to create a horse breeding factory similar to a car manufacturing factory.

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The horse owners might be inclined to keep them for themselves to use.

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I have kept that in mind and anything might go their way, including questionable decisions which might harm rather then help.

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Lets hope no one needs help at night

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I know they can't be seen or it'd be tough to operate at night but it isn't a downside considering natrual sources of light and seeking help exist.

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or requires anything remotly complicated.

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Doctors have done complicated operations without machinery, it is possible but a lot harder without cameras to pinpoint, machines to detect heartbeats, drills to drill things (mechanical drills require a lot of work I admit) and an electrical shock machine to restart the heartbeat. It's not impossible but it's a lot harder to do.

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The "olden days" cant be compared to today's 300 million people living in a fully industrialised and mechanised society.

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The late 1800's had mechanized technology but certainly not to the level where it's fully advanced and automated (electricity was barely used in those days and communication still got through just fine.)

Early 1900's had gotten farther but it wasn't to the point where it revolutionized communications, people did just fine with what they had which were early radios, the mail system and signals.

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Today's government definitely does need this stuff.

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No they don't, they need it because it's easier; not because it's more efficient. I guess human nature will always abandon a typewriter for a modern top-of-the-line computer.

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Shouting in a city full of frightened, panicked people. Useful.

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They're not going to get more panicked if they hear yelling, just if they aren't reassured. (and that's considering the aftermath of the incident; not the initial start of it.)

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Posters and flyers? Maybe in a small village.

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I've seem them in a city and though they may be more efficient ways of communication, posters and flyers always seem to work out no matter what the size

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Reassured by who? No one knows whats going on.

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The city officials, they may not know what's going on but the public would love to hear that the officials will do everything that they can to manage the situation and to find out what's going on; and they'd also love to see it done too. (because the worst of incidents have always been managed by the government of the city, the quality of the management of the situation does vary though.

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Wasnt in the article. What about all the electronic locks and security?

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No fool would completely rely on electronic locks and security, what if a hacker from China comes in and messes up the entire system with a couple of keystrokes or what if both of the power systems fail (there is a chance that the secondary backup system could fail.); people would be complaining up the wazzo if there as a total system failure so there would have to be an analogue backup that can allow for manual operation of the system.

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You need to be able to get at the money in the banks vaults and ATM's. All the electronic security, key cards and what not.

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Again, not everything is fully electronically protected. (hence the reason we still have guards at the bank) and I've seen ATM's without any form of electronic security, just a really strong key lock that only the most experienced of lockpickers can pick.

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If they want to stock up on food and water they do.

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While the people who want to stock up on everything need tons of money, the people who think the situation is normal (which it will become over time) will use a normal amount of money; it seems mostly crazy to carry around loads of money because of the situation at hand. (unless the people who thought it was the end of the world outnumbered the normal and sane people.)

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Agitated, frightened, angry, looking for someone to blame (i can see idiots turning on Muslim neighbours), an us and them mentality.

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I'd doubt they'd be angry or looking for someone to blame but they would be agitated and frightened due to factors such as lack of electricity, lack of response, uncertainty and various changes they would have to make to their lives.

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Noted and this is where the difficulty part comes in but some places contain horses and there are bikes that they can use. (I can't believe I've forgotten about the bikes, the most simplistic transportation method yet.)

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In the middle of a city, there are no horses. Bikes can be used but not everyone has a bike.

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I have walked 15 km (or 9 miles in US terms), there isn't any reason they can't do it though I would put less doubt into their unwillingness to do anything; there's nothing to do for them at home, they'd be standing around hopelessly and incidents usually bring out the most willing of aspects (such as the ability to do anything) so people will probably be willing to walk 15 miles if they don't have a bike or horse to take them there.

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Yes but if you walked 15 km and were told that the power is out everywhere as far as they knew and told you to just look after yourself and go home you would get a little pissed off and demand to be given food or water for you trouble in coming in. And a few days later if asked to walk back in to hear the same thing you would just give up.

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They're going to refuse because they're unwilling of going back to the olden ways; something which I think humanity is capable of doing. I'm guessing the people behind Revolution thought the same way and thus gave the perception that humanity is so addicted to technology in the first scenes of the trailer.

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Yes because how often is the power out for weeks at a time? Never, people will just lay back and wait for something to happen.

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You wouldn't have to cook all of your meat, you'd just have to make sure that your meat remains cold for as long as the environment where the meat is in remains cold, that means not leaving the door open for long amounts of time and having an organized fridge where you can easily reach anything that you want.

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Perhaps, but lots of people would assume that their fridge or freezer would get warm very quickly and would cook things that needed to be cooked right away.

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This is the reason why stores have aisles and the reason organization exists, if everything is unorganized and in one isle then not only would the cashiers have trouble but so would the customers; and the trusty pad and pencil is the most reliable thing humanity has to add prices.

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Yes but if you go into a supermarket, they have thousands of items with different prices, you would need to write out EVERY price numerous times and give a copy to each cashier. Aisles and organization mean nothing if you need to look at each price individually. And someone would make a mistake and then get yelled at, claiming the price was something else.

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I still think people would unite together in a situation like this, I mean if everybody started rioting then it would lead them nowhere and they'd be in a worse predicament then they were now. Sure, they'll be idiots but the bond of a community is stronger then a bunch of rioters.

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Its called 'Panic'. People do stupid things when panicked. If you were told that food is low and you may not get some, you would panic a bit and when a riot breaks out, are you just going to let them take all the food and you have none?

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Well we have smoke signals, we have glare signals, we have the pony express, we have propulsion trains; we have ways to communicate that even though aren't as efficient as modern times, are still efficient enough.

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The average person wouldn't notice smoke or glare signals. Also if a cop showed up on a horse, would you immediately assume that they are a cop? Not sure what a propulsion train is, but there are few trains that don't operate on electricity still around and the ones that are arent on tracks. Plus the older ones have different gauges for the tracks and wont fit.

Yes people would eventually figure things out and get along, but not for a while and there would be tonnes of damage, a fire that breaks out in a city, does not have the benefit of being able of being put out by firemen as they cannot get their trucks to the fire or use electric pumps. Police cannot call for backup as their is no radio. Stores cannot order things in as their is no phone or internet. Governments would lose their power instantly, yes if they are properly organised then they could get things running eventually, but the damage would be too great for them to fix it.

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In the middle of a city, there are no horses. Bikes can be used but not everyone has a bike.

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A big urban city maybe but still... Keep in mind that bikes are cheaper, don't require a license to drive and though may be slower can get you anywhere as long as stamina is concerned. IMO I think there are more people with bikes then there are with cars.

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Yes but if you walked 15 km and were told that the power is out everywhere as far as they knew and told you to just look after yourself and go home you would get a little pissed off and demand to be given food or water for you trouble in coming in. And a few days later if asked to walk back in to hear the same thing you would just give up.

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I doubt that the government of a city would actually forsake the efforts the people went to get here, if they did that then there wouldn't be any sort of order. The government would probably try to institute plans to ration the food, make sure everybody gets proper education, make sure the streets are safe and make sure that temporary shelters for those who walked 15km are avaliable; they wouldn't stick with the whole "look after yourself, stay home" thing twice, that wouldn't get them anywhere.

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Yes because how often is the power out for weeks at a time? Never, people will just lay back and wait for something to happen.

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If those people just lay back and wait then they're fools, and those who continue to wait while everybody has adapted are just tricking themselves. I understand what you're going for but I doubt people would just lay back and wait, human subconsciousness won't easily let them do that.

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Perhaps, but lots of people would assume that their fridge or freezer would get warm very quickly and would cook things that needed to be cooked right away.

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This is why stuff like science and math is taught in schools, so we can understand how things work and be able to solve problems in life. Take for instance the freezer, it can retain it's internal temperature for some while because the molecules in there are speeding up (ie getting hotter) at a slower rate; introduce some particles from an outside environment and it speeds up even more (ie gets hot even faster) hence why we have to move quickly when deciding what to get out of the freezer. If people don't realize that anything that's self contained can retain anything (temperature, oxygen, chemicals, etc.) then how will they get anywhere in life?

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Yes but if you go into a supermarket, they have thousands of items with different prices, you would need to write out EVERY price numerous times and give a copy to each cashier. Aisles and organization mean nothing if you need to look at each price individually. And someone would make a mistake and then get yelled at, claiming the price was something else.

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You can write down every price then replicate everything on an analog typewriter since all you have to do is type down the keys and though it may be hard to explain, the way of organization can help and people themselves can find ways to manage taking down all of the individual prices. Think of it this way, if someone is buying peas then the cashier can look under canned goods, vegetables, peas and find what they're looking for; I mean the only thing that costs different is the different brands, it would be easier if they managed to eliminate brands to a point where everything is streamlined but since brands would still exist in the blackout, it'd be harder.

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Its called 'Panic'. People do stupid things when panicked. If you were told that food is low and you may not get some, you would panic a bit and when a riot breaks out, are you just going to let them take all the food and you have none?

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Naturally yes but still...

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The average person wouldn't notice smoke or glare signals.

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They could be taught; I mean we still have tons of information on paper books and once they realize nothing will work, they'll have to adapt.

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Also if a cop showed up on a horse, would you immediately assume that they are a cop?

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Yes...

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Not sure what a propulsion train is

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but there are few trains that don't operate on electricity still around and the ones that are arent on tracks. Plus the older ones have different gauges for the tracks and wont fit.

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That doesn't mean they can't put those trains back into service or even resume making those trains; they're mostly compatible with those train tracks to an extent and there are books on how to operate a steam engine train, it's not like the Amtrak trains are thinner then the current steam engine trains.

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Yes people would eventually figure things out and get along, but not for a while and there would be tonnes of damage, a fire that breaks out in a city, does not have the benefit of being able of being put out by firemen as they cannot get their trucks to the fire or use electric pumps.

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Why would they need to get their trucks, as I said before, a ladder, hose and manual pump would do just fine; the method of transportation is in question but they don't need trucks to get them there or put out a fire.

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Police cannot call for backup as their is no radio.

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Noted but they can quickly learn to bring additional backup just in case like the old days.

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Stores cannot order things in as their is no phone or internet.

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There is mail, I don't know of stores that still use mail to order things but mail can be used to order things.

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Governments would lose their power instantly, yes if they are properly organised then they could get things running eventually, but the damage would be too great for them to fix it.

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No they wouldn't, they would lose the technology but they wouldn't lose the power (especially not because fire departments and stories rely so much on phones, internet and trucks and can't adapt to different situations.); the only thing they have to worry about is finding ways to adapt to the old times but still managing to be efficient.

Personally if I were the government I would just be starting at my powered-off HDTV waiting for the power to suddenly come back on so I can resume watching that Bugs Bunny cartoon I was watching at the time it went off, because what else would I do?

There is one thing that is overlooked though - its a tv show where such a thing happens, therefore in the show's reality, it can happen.

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There is one thing that is overlooked though - its a tv show where such a thing happens, therefore in the show's reality, it can happen.

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Yes... The entire electricity turning off can happen in a show (or a show's reality) but stuff like the stuff a people do in the initial hours of the blackout can't be easily justified as simply being a part of the show's reality. From what I've seen on the trailer, they did make it seem like everything would collapse just so they could create the show's reality but I doubt they would completely ignore human nature to such a point where it'd seem like they'd be incapable of working together or even adapting to new situations quickly.

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There is one thing that is overlooked though - its a tv show where such a thing happens, therefore in the show's reality, it can happen.

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That just sound like an excuse for lazy, unoriginal writing.

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That just sound like an excuse for lazy, unoriginal writing.

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For the sake of writing you sometimes need to just get things out of the way. As TV fans we always want our shows to expand on details but writers do not think that way. Writers have time and budget to worth beneath so they can't go all out or the show will fail and they will be fired.

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For the sake of writing you sometimes need to just get things out of the way.

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It's not the sake of writing, it's the producers worrying whether or not the audience will understand the intended vision. (because subtly doesn't play out well in today's environment.)

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As TV fans we always want our shows to expand on details but writers do not think that way.

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Writers think about expanding details, but not visual details. Character details, plot details, mythology details, those details that make for compelling entertainment and are one of the things that makes writing so interesting to do.

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Writers have time and budget to worth beneath

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Writers have time but they don't have budget, what they have to worry about is getting compensation for the scripts that they've written; not if they can add certain details. Those things belong solely to the production team.

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so they can't go all out or the show will fail and they will be fired.

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They can go all out, it's just that the production team would level what's considered going out due to factors such as budget, the capability of the visual effects, how much effort it would take for them to do a specific shot; the writers only limit is their imagination, producers are reality.

However, as much as writers are captivated by what's in they're mind, they're also motivated by lazyness to just create a script with characters that sprout out generic dialog and don't have much of a personality as they seem to have. They can create a script which gives shoddy explanations to what happened after the blackout and create a contrived storyline that involves over-the-top fights and secret groups and they can still get paid, and that's the problem. The writers aren't as invested in the show and that's translating to the shoddiness of the show despite the huge production values thanks to J.J. Abrams.

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It's not the sake of writing, it's the producers worrying whether or not the audience will understand the intended vision. (because subtly doesn't play out well in today's environment.)


Writers think about expanding details, but not visual details. Character details, plot details, mythology details, those details that make for compelling entertainment and are one of the things that makes writing so interesting to do.


Writers have time but they don't have budget, what they have to worry about is getting compensation for the scripts that they've written; not if they can add certain details. Those things belong solely to the production team.


They can go all out, it's just that the production team would level what's considered going out due to factors such as budget, the capability of the visual effects, how much effort it would take for them to do a specific shot; the writers only limit is their imagination, producers are reality.

However, as much as writers are captivated by what's in they're mind, they're also motivated by lazyness to just create a script with characters that sprout out generic dialog and don't have much of a personality as they seem to have. They can create a script which gives shoddy explanations to what happened after the blackout and create a contrived storyline that involves over-the-top fights and secret groups and they can still get paid, and that's the problem. The writers aren't as invested in the show and that's translating to the shoddiness of the show despite the huge production values thanks to J.J. Abrams.

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If you go into details in every episode then you run out of material in short time - divide 20 by 1 and you get 20, divide 20 by 7 and you barely get 3.

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It's not the sake of writing, it's the producers worrying whether or not the audience will understand the intended vision. (because subtly doesn't play out well in today's environment.)


Writers think about expanding details, but not visual details. Character details, plot details, mythology details, those details that make for compelling entertainment and are one of the things that makes writing so interesting to do.


Writers have time but they don't have budget, what they have to worry about is getting compensation for the scripts that they've written; not if they can add certain details. Those things belong solely to the production team.


They can go all out, it's just that the production team would level what's considered going out due to factors such as budget, the capability of the visual effects, how much effort it would take for them to do a specific shot; the writers only limit is their imagination, producers are reality.

However, as much as writers are captivated by what's in they're mind, they're also motivated by lazyness to just create a script with characters that sprout out generic dialog and don't have much of a personality as they seem to have. They can create a script which gives shoddy explanations to what happened after the blackout and create a contrived storyline that involves over-the-top fights and secret groups and they can still get paid, and that's the problem. The writers aren't as invested in the show and that's translating to the shoddiness of the show despite the huge production values thanks to J.J. Abrams.

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I agree with your comment, but also disagree with subtly not being understood by today audiences, but it is extemely difficult to subtle well as it require good writing, good acting, good production crew to do it well. When it is done well, it is lap up by the audience, Homeland, The Killing are two good example of subtly being done well.

The thing is you do not have to go far to find good writing, good dialog and even original stories and even a bit of subtly, the cable channels seem to handle those things well, which is why they are winning all of the plaudits and getting all the critics attention. Plus a lot of those shows, the writers are often heavily involve with the production side of things (as use to be the case with the Walking Dead) and do not have to go to the network execs as often as they seem they have do when working on network television.

I also think Scandinavian tv does subtly extremely well, with very limited budget and they are bringing the audience numbers to.

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For the sake of writing you sometimes need to just get things out of the way. As TV fans we always want our shows to expand on details but writers do not think that way. Writers have time and budget to worth beneath so they can't go all out or the show will fail and they will be fired.

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An yet if they write generic storyline that most us have seen many time before, with over the top action scenes, generic characters, the show will fell anyway and they will be unemployed.

I understand the need for working within a budget, but this show has the budget to bring planes out of the sky(in a way that is only possible unless it was hit with a missile or another huge explosions, and not a power failure or even an electrical overload), run down CGI cities with vegetation, huge over the top fight scenes, it clear that this programme has plenty of money to work with.

Relying less on action scenes and more on dialogue and scenes showing a slow decay of society led mainly by failure of leaders reacting to the incident in the correct way rather than people just going crazy without electricity would be a lot cheaper to do than what we have seen them produce in the trailer.

Wasnt going to come back in here, circles and walls give me a headache.

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The thing is you do not have to go far to find good writing, good dialog and even original stories and even a bit of subtly, the cable channels seem to handle those things well, which is why they are winning all of the plaudits and getting all the critics attention. Plus a lot of those shows, the writers are often heavily involve with the production side of things (as use to be the case with the Walking Dead) and do not have to go to the network execs as often as they seem they have do when working on network television.

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Group of people surviving after zombie apocalypse is not an original story. And its funny how you accept the complete destruction of society/civilisation in the few weeks the MC was in hospital, but not the fifteen years in revolution...

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I also think Scandinavian tv does subtly extremely well, with very limited budget and they are bringing the audience numbers to.

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Detective stories/thrillers. Original...

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An yet if they write generic storyline that most us have seen many time before, with over the top action scenes, generic characters, the show will fell anyway and they will be unemployed.

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You've seen the whole show then? Not just a 4 minute trailer?

Huge over the top fight scenes? We saw one fight seen, that looked to last only a minute...Which is actually more realistic than the long drawn out fight scenes you tend to get in films and TV.

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I understand the need for working within a budget, but this show has the budget to bring planes out of the sky(in a way that is only possible unless it was hit with a missile or another huge explosions, and not a power failure or even an electrical overload), run down CGI cities with vegetation, huge over the top fight scenes, it clear that this programme has plenty of money to work with.

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Oh, and
Here.
Here.
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Relying less on action scenes and more on dialogue and scenes showing a slow decay of society led mainly by failure of leaders reacting to the incident in the correct way rather than people just going crazy without electricity would be a lot cheaper to do than what we have seen them produce in the trailer.

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About 90% of the trailer was dialogue, we saw hardly any action. And please show me where in the trailer people were "going crazy without electricity".
Please, before makeing unfounded claims, jumping to conclusions and just being plain wrong; how about actually watching the show first? Makes sense, no?

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but also disagree with subtly not being understood by today audiences, but it is extemely difficult to subtle well as it require good writing, good acting, good production crew to do it well. When it is done well, it is lap up by the audience, Homeland, The Killing are two good example of subtly being done well.

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I have to agree but the network execs and producers of certain shows don't seem to understand this; they worry constantly about whether or not people will get it, whether or not if they make it subtle then people won't understand (even if it's a little bit of subtly.) to the point where it affects the show. Personally if I were the execs and producers of certain shows then I'd take risks when it comes to subtly; after all, doesn't network TV need something really risque nowadays?

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The thing is you do not have to go far to find good writing, good dialog and even original stories and even a bit of subtly, the cable channels seem to handle those things well, which is why they are winning all of the plaudits and getting all the critics attention. Plus a lot of those shows, the writers are often heavily involve with the production side of things (as use to be the case with the Walking Dead) and do not have to go to the network execs as often as they seem they have do when working on network television.

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I have to agree, certain cable shows are good. There are faults within cable (most TBS and Syfy shows) but cable is becoming the place to find quality series; funny thing is, even though there are quality series on cable, it doesn't seem to be worth it to pay for cable... Since more people are turning to network TV, the quality of new series is going to be more subjective in my opinion; Lost managed to be revolutionary on network TV, why can't "Revolution" be a revolution?

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Group of people surviving after zombie apocalypse is not an original story. And its funny how you accept the complete destruction of society/civilisation in the few weeks the MC was in hospital, but not the fifteen years in revolution...

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It's not an original concept but the stories that manage to come out of it is original; the best writers can take an unoriginal concept and make it fresh and new again with involving characters and dialog, something which Revolution can't seem to do despite it's somewhat original idea.

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Huge over the top fight scenes? We saw one fight seen, that looked to last only a minute...Which is actually more realistic than the long drawn out fight scenes you tend to get in films and TV.

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That guy looked like he was doing acrobatics reminiscent of the Star Wars prequels; realistic is when something is done in a way that doesn't break the barrier of impossibility, what he did was something I'd need dance training and wires to pull off.

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Oh, and
Here.
Here.
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Those articles are good and all but can they actually describe how an airplane spins around without actually panning down. (notice how the airplanes remained straight during the time they spinned) I couldn't figure out any way to make a spin like that happen since the airplanes yaw and all that, there'd have to be breaking of major rules in order for that plane to spin like that.

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About 90% of the trailer was dialogue, we saw hardly any action.

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Put it down!
Take it, and don't show it to anyone.
He told me to go to Chicago, to find my father.

That type of dialog is sure to make me interested in the series, and the action; there were tons of scenes that were dank and just designed for action, especially when it's in a building with mainly white and brownish contours.

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It's not an original concept but the stories that manage to come out of it is original; the best writers can take an unoriginal concept and make it fresh and new again with involving characters and dialog, something which Revolution can't seem to do despite it's somewhat original idea.

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Another one who has seen the show already. The rest of us must exist in the past.

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That guy looked like he was doing acrobatics reminiscent of the Star Wars prequels; realistic is when something is done in a way that doesn't break the barrier of impossibility, what he did was something I'd need dance training and wires to pull off.

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Reminded me of Syrio talking on multiple armed and armoured men with a wooden sword in GoT. No complaints about that?
And i was talking the length of the fight, not the choreography.

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Those articles are good and all but can they actually describe how an airplane spins around without actually panning down. (notice how the airplanes remained straight during the time they spinned) I couldn't figure out any way to make a spin like that happen since the airplanes yaw and all that, there'd have to be breaking of major rules in order for that plane to spin like that.

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The planes nose is pointed down. And those articles were more to refute knowles nonsense claim.

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Put it down!
Take it, and don't show it to anyone.
He told me to go to Chicago, to find my father.

That type of dialog is sure to make me interested in the series, and the action; there were tons of scenes that were dank and just designed for action, especially when it's in a building with mainly white and brownish contours.

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Yep, there were only three lines of dialogue in the trailer.

Reposting the trailer since the original doesnt seem to be working anymore (for me anyway).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veEncs3h6aM

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Another one who has seen the show already. The rest of us must exist in the past.

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The trailer tells me mostly everything about the show, contrived concept, world, characters, over-the-top theatrics; I'll be surprised if I actually like it when it actually airs because what I've seen screams overrated before the show even aired.

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And i was talking the length of the fight, not the choreography.

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Still, it's extravagant and unnecessarily flashy.

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The planes nose is pointed down. And those articles were more to refute knowles nonsense claim.

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Really now... There was a split second where the plane was straight in the trailer.

Picture indicating angle of descent, red line indicating angle of decent itself.

If it were to be spinning it's nose would have to be a considerable distance down, something which the Revolution people overlooked.

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Yep, there were only three lines of dialogue in the trailer.

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Those lines of dialog and the way they're delivered are representative of the quality of the series, overdramatic, cliched and somewhat dull.

And this is from the guy who brought us Lost, Star Trek, Fringe and Super 8 no less.

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Reposting the trailer since the original doesnt seem to be working anymore (for me anyway).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veEncs3h6aM

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This one didn't work either. I had to watch it on YouTube.

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The trailer tells me mostly everything about the show, contrived concept, world, characters, over-the-top theatrics; I'll be surprised if I actually like it when it actually airs because what I've seen screams overrated before the show even aired.

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So, is it a contrived concept or somewhat original?
You know bugger all about the characters or the world.

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Still, it's extravagant and unnecessarily flashy.

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All TV fights are. Real fights end up on the ground in a ball of fists or are over in seconds. I notice you ignore GoT doing it...

And it wasnt very flashy.

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Really now... There was a split second where the plane was straight in the trailer.

Picture indicating angle of descent, red line indicating angle of decent itself.

If it were to be spinning it's nose would have to be a considerable distance down, something which the Revolution people overlooked.

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Of course it was flat before angled down.

Read the articles, the nose doesnt have to be a "considerable distance down".

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Those lines of dialog and the way they're delivered are representative of the quality of the series, overdramatic, cliched and somewhat dull.

And this is from the guy who brought us Lost, Star Trek, Fringe and Super 8 no less.

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The only line in there that could be considered cliche is "cant trust anyone". Overdramatic? Sometimes i think people throw out these words and phrases in an attempt to to give their opinions a weight they would otherwise lack. The irony being though, that the whole post is practically one big cliche; i would even say that the word cliche has itself become cliche.

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This one didn't work either. I had to watch it on YouTube.

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Ah well, at least you get to watch it. The other one doesnt work either way.:p

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So, is it a contrived concept or somewhat original?

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Both; somewhat original because it involves the zapping of electricity and contrived because it relies on the whole overgrowth thing, cities being abandoned, governments falling, milita's, secret conspiracies and the whole journey with other people thing.

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You know bugger all about the characters or the world.

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I know that the characters have to be interesting and the world at least has to be unique.

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All TV fights are. Real fights end up on the ground in a ball of fists or are over in seconds. I notice you ignore GoT doing it...

And it wasnt very flashy.

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I couldn't do stuff like that unless I had a cape, a really fancy sword and the appropriate lighting, of course it was flashy.

Noted that all TV fights are like that but this just seems constructed to be as extravagant as possible. And I haven't watched GoT yet; when I do, I'll be sure to include what I see in my posts.

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Of course it was flat before angled down.

Read the articles, the nose doesnt have to be a "considerable distance down".

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Yes but how can the plane (especially a jetliner) spin and dive at the same time when there's nothing to make it spin and there's nothing to make it fall like a brick so suddenly. I'm not doubting a spin like that could happen, I'm just doubting the spin shown in the show (especially when it's a jetliner.)

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The only line in there that could be considered cliche is "cant trust anyone". Overdramatic? Sometimes i think people throw out these words and phrases in an attempt to to give their opinions a weight they would otherwise lack.

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Watch the trailer and just look at the way they act, just look at the way they do stuff; they don't seem like real characters, they seem more like people sprouting out lines while giving a subtle hint of emotion that wouldn't matter in a character and the way they do stuff, it just seems like they're trying to be as cool as possible without the show even calling for it. Stuff like pulling a character's hand, saying "milita huh" and then pulling it back is an example of this.

Again, this is from J.J. Abrams.

[QUOTE=Zombies Rise from the Sea;13358550]Both; somewhat original because it involves the zapping of electricity and contrived because it relies on the whole overgrowth thing, cities being abandoned, governments falling, milita's, secret conspiracies and the whole journey with other people thing.


I know that the characters have to be interesting and the world at least has to be unique.


I couldn't do stuff like that unless I had a cape, a really fancy sword and the appropriate lighting, of course it was flashy.

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Noted that all TV fights are like that but this just seems constructed to be as extravagant as possible. And I haven't watched GoT yet; when I do, I'll be sure to include what I see in my posts.

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Yes but how can the plane (especially a jetliner) spin and dive at the same time when there's nothing to make it spin and there's nothing to make it fall like a brick so suddenly. I'm not doubting a spin like that could happen, I'm just doubting the spin shown in the show (especially when it's a jetliner.)

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That what I meant when I type my comment, I should have explained my thought process more clearly, modern jet liners are design to stay in the air as long as possible without power to the engines,, Planes in the scenarios presented in the show would come down fairly gradually, a shallow angle, especially calm weather as was shown in the trailer , the bushes are stilled so no wind to turnover the plane, no fires from the engine suggest that there was no explosion from the aircraft to cause it to spin.

The control systems of today liners are also design to revert back to horizontal flight position if power is lost, to buy the pilot time to restore power.

They are also design to handle power surges and direct lightening strikes to engines.

As far as I am concern and the manoeuvres the plane did in the trailer is impossible, as there was no engine power and unless it was a very old plane, no or very limited flight control, all modern airliners are fly by wire. for all we know there is a bigger story about the plane in the series and this crash will be fully explained in a future episode (I doubt this, all JJ Abrams programmes have plane crashed in them, it is signature, or as been since Lost, I cant remember a major plane crash in Alias )

Your still banging on about the planes? We get it, you like TV to be completely scientifically sound. However TV is not and rarely ever is.

Heres an explanation: It takes place in an alternate reality where planes operate differently. There problem solved.

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Your still banging on about the planes? .

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Not me someone else decided to challenge my view on the plane crash, so someone answered back and I decided to explain my original view point in more detail.

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No, I do not care whether TV completely Scientifically sound (which is why I enjoy stargate and BSG and Star trek before JJ ruin it), but I do like events like my fights scenes and plane crashes which are presented as real and taking place in the real world to look real or fairly real, and not as fake looking as this plane crash does.

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Heres an explanation: It takes place in an alternate reality where planes operate differently. There problem solved

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If that the case, then hopefully we will see other weird events taking place in this universe. :)

Well if you watch the preview again, you see that the power flickers and some street lights explode. If a plane that was flying low sudden;y had an engine explode and then lose all power, it would spin out of control and plummet to the ground.

Granted the plane does not have any smoke or fire coming from it, but if you look you see its lights flickering as well. What happens to a plane if you randomly turn the engines on and off? I imagine that would be getting forces working on parts of the plane, then others, then others.

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Well if you watch the preview again, you see that the power flickers and some street lights explode. If a plane that was flying low sudden;y had an engine explode and then lose all power, it would spin out of control and plummet to the ground.

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Noticed but even then, engines and cooling systems would have a effect similar to the plane; especially if "some" only explode.

And why would any plane would fly really low over a metropolitan city like Chicago? Even if there was a reason they were doing it, it isn't possible both for logistical and federal reasons. The routes that lead to and from Chicago O'Hare airport are normally directed around the city, not near it. In that preview there are planes which seem to be falling at speeds not possible unless there was some sort of malfunction that both caused the jet to gain speed and lose control; (much of which isn't possible since pitch and yaw control are independent from electrical control.)

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Granted the plane does not have any smoke or fire coming from it, but if you look you see its lights flickering as well. What happens to a plane if you randomly turn the engines on and off? I imagine that would be getting forces working on parts of the plane, then others, then others.

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As for the lights, I don't know how they'd keep turning on especially since anything electrical is supposed to be powered off from whatever is causing this; especially since the cars themselves turn off one by one without any flickering whatsoever.

What makes this blackout possible is up for question, various scenes show electrical interference and disruption alongside the flickering lights; which means that something is overloading it or something is trying to disrupt the electrical charge that is happening. For the blackout to happen there'd have to be.

1. A natural phenomenon with the power to disrupt electricity all around the world that can be significiantly altered by outside sources. (CME for example)
2. Something that prevents an electrical charge from happening; whether or not it's a field or something else entirely (those USB-drive like devices have the ability to turn on machines, maybe it prevents the field from working?)
3. Something that overloads electronic devices though the purpose is to eliminate electricity not add to it.

In the trailer, it is said that all forms of electrical energies including batteries don't work. Now electricity is ions, positive and negative; energy can be generated by friction and contact... A windmill can generate electricity just by the movement of the wind itself. If all electricity is gone then there'd have to be a way to prevent a charge from forming; as in no amount of friction can generate an electrical charge no matter how hard you try. A natural phenomeon can negate electricity but there'd have to be something that can keep the electrical charge from forming since all phenomenons can't last forever; same goes for the man-generated field. It'd be different if it didn't involve a illuminati type group but since it does it just brings more questions to the forefront, questions like how the illiminati have the means to build and maintain something that negates the electrical charge.

Additionally, there is also communication between computers as shown at the end of the trailer, and as we all know communication is something that relies on electrical circuits. So unless they manage to wave the magic wand, one has to ask how they can communicate when there is something outside that's supposed to prevent this stuff from happening.

A TV show can utilize this phenomenon if there's a decent explanation behind it but if the explanation isn't sufficient or overcomplicated then it's going to make the entire premise of the show even more ridiculous.

I give up. If you don't buy the premise and aren't willing to overlook tiny details, then don't watch the show or discuss it. You seem to be fighting for the sake of fighting now.

Also if there no electricity, then our brains and nervous systems, an our hearts would all stop functioning as well, as they all rely on electricity.

As I said in my previous post, I look forward to the explanations given in the show, let hope we get them before the show is cancelled.

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Also if there no electricity, then our brains and nervous systems, an our hearts would all stop functioning as well, as they all rely on electricity.

As I said in my previous post, I look forward to the explanations given in the show, let hope we get them before the show is cancelled.

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I think it means man-made electricity...not bio-electricity.

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There no such thing bio-electricity, electricity is all the same, whether it produce through biological process or using a dynamo.

This is what worries me about such a TV series. The explanation for such a global catastrophe had better be very well explained and worth the trouble or it will be like a reaaaalllly bad punch line to a very long joke and the embarrassing pause afterwards when no one laughs.


This is what someone wrote about the "American warship" movie....

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"Some movies require suspension of disbelief. Others require that your disbelief be murdered brutally and buried in a shallow grave out in the forest somewhere."

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If it was a miniseries….now that’s an idea!

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There no such thing bio-electricity, electricity is all the same, whether it produce through biological process or using a dynamo.

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I think you're wrong...

http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/d...ecture%201.pdf

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I think you're wrong...

http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/d...ecture%201.pdf

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Nice presentation, I refer to this bit through;

""Bioelectricity is now known to obey the
same fundamental laws of electricity in
the atmosphere, conducting wires,
semiconductors, etc.""

So again all this hinges on what could shut down all electricity on earth. Would any one care to hazard a guess at what it could be?

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Nice presentation, I refer to this bit through;

""Bioelectricity is now known to obey the
same fundamental laws of electricity in
the atmosphere, conducting wires,
semiconductors, etc.""

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Reminds me, i must check the wiring in my legs, they have been acting up..

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Reminds me, i must check the wiring in my legs, they have been acting up..

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You mean nerves, they are just a different form of wire, I would not touch them if I were you, they can be rather sensitive. My previous comment was a quote directly taken from the presentation which carter posted a link to.

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So again all this hinges on what could shut down all electricity on earth. Would any one care to hazard a guess at what it could be?

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Nothing can shut down electricity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity, it essentially a fundamental force in the universe, you cant simple shut it down.

You can over load electronics with a massive electro magnetic pulse, you could in theory, I guest use an electromagnetic field to permanently shut down unshielded electronics, it would require an enormous power source,, but military forces are well equip to handle EMP pulse, they spent the last fifty years hardening their infrastructure against such pulses, ever since the first atomic bombs tests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-magnetic_pulse

From this site it appears that coldwar timeperiod had such sheilding but it has fallen by the wayside with modern computor revolution. There appears to be no such protection for civilians. However such EMP burst are recoverable with spare parts.

First, I've only watched the trailer so my understanding of the show is based on that.

To me it reminds me a lot of "FlashForward". The whole idea that some people can control and turn off the lights seems unlikely and unappealing. And even following the rules of "Revolution", it just doesn't make any sense. (It being the science.) But about the technology, 4 the kids sake, it was probably a good thing it got turned off, they seemed a little pathetic. And the voiceover, (which may or may not be a one time thing,) doesn't fit the situation in my opinion. (But it could just be the voice.) Tim Guinee is a great actor though, so crossing my fingers for him not dying, 'cause I will be giving it a chance, when that time comes. The fate of "Revolution" will probably be decided by then, either down spinning like the plane or up like the plants on the buildings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwfCRAtkYEI
just encase any body does'nt know what I mean

Really looking forward to it (see my sig), i love these starting over, no tech stories.

I fear for this show, while it DOES look good I fear this may end up getting canned just like every other new scripted NBC show of the past two years besides Grimm. JJ Abrams and Eric Kripkie do make a good pairing.

Still I don't see this living past Season One unless there's some ratings mirical, it will start off high al al The Event and slide drstically.

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I fear for this show, while it DOES look good I fear this may end up getting canned just like every other new scripted NBC show of the past two years besides Grimm. JJ Abrams and Eric Kripkie do make a good pairing.

Still I don't see this living past Season One unless there's some ratings mirical, it will start off high al al The Event and slide drstically.

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I sadly have to agree. Look at its competition. It will be competing against Hawaii 5-0 and Castle. Two shows that have proven to be good shows in ratings context

Finally got round to watching the trailer for this.

So basically it's Survivors but about electricity. Hmmmm. I'm not very impressed by the trailer (a sword? Puhleese :rolleyes:). I may give it a go if it comes to the UK.

Edit - Why did they have to show so much in this trailer. Wouldn't the bit about the necklace be better as a surprise?

Everyone said Grimm would fail.

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Not me, it essentially a copy of other successful shows, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Supernatural. Also supernatural is all the rage at the moment, if I picked the new show most likely to succeed last year and get a second season, Grimm would have been clear favourite.

Once Upon a Time was the surprise success story, only Pixar have had any success reinventing fair tale stories for the modern world, with several flops at the cincema when if come to doing the same with real life actors. Also the format of Once upon a Time does not really fit the standard supernatural format.

When you take in shows such a Haven, The Fades, all of which have enjoy critical and audience success, both shows stood a good chance of succeeding.

Whiles Revolution, is copying Jericho and Jeremiah, Survivors all cancelled shows. I also following of from Alcatraz , a JJ Abram flop from last year.

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Not me, it essentially a copy of other successful shows, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Supernatural. Also supernatural is all the rage at the moment, if I picked the new show most likely to succeed last year and get a second season, Grimm would have been clear favourite.

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Its not a copy of those shows. What is it these days with peoples inability to look beyond aesthetics. Do i have to bring the whole two red cars does not equal two Ferraris thing again?

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Once Upon a Time was the surprise success story, only Pixar have had any success reinventing fair tale stories for the modern world, with several flops at the cincema when if come to doing the same with real life actors. Also the format of Once upon a Time does not really fit the standard supernatural format.

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Grimm is a reinvention/sort of retelling of fairy tales aswell...

And Revolution is not copying those other shows. Please see the show first before making those accusations. Especially since those other shows didnt invent the whole post apocalyptic thing, and can be said to be copying others. At least we've actually seen those.

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Its not a copy of those shows. What is it these days with peoples inability to look beyond aesthetics. Do i have to bring the whole two red cars does not equal two Ferraris thing again?

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I was just commenting on why I thought Grimm stood a good chance of succeeding before it even aired, an why I thought Once upon a time was a slightly bigger risk of failure than Grimm was.

Grimm does heavily borrowed from Supernatural and BTVS

I am also pretty sure Buffy the Vampire and Supernatural structures and type of characters it employed also took inspiration from past TV shows.

So yes Grimm on the surface look like it copied a lot from two successful shows and that why I thought it was going to be a success story, plus the whole supernatural type stories just cant seem to flop at the moment, also counted towards the show. While Revolution on the surface seem to copy alot from shows which have been a failure, which is why I am predicting failure.

Will I be right again, may be may be not. If the show was on cable, I would be giving it a much higher chance of surviving its first season, at the moment it less than 40%.

Still hoping a US network picks up this show, but I'm going to have to check it out at some point.