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[aretood2]

Even the folks who push this crap have admitted that it's a scam.
Back in 2010? some UN IPCC member admitted that it's a wealth transfer scheme, and then there is this which is more current:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/...worlds-wealth/

This is called a confirmation bias. Look it up. Just because some people used evolution as an excuse to make extermination camps, it doesn't mean that Darwin wanted to kill Jews. Essentially that's the logic of your argument. Just because someone wants to do X by using reason Y as a justification, it doesn't mean that everyone behind reason Y also wants to do X.

[jelgate]

Even the folks who push this crap have admitted that it's a scam.
Back in 2010? some UN IPCC member admitted that it's a wealth transfer scheme, and then there is this which is more current:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/...worlds-wealth/

It would mean more if you had actually facts instead of repeating the same conspiracy theory

[Annoyed]

This is called a confirmation bias. Look it up. Just because some people used evolution as an excuse to make extermination camps, it doesn't mean that Darwin wanted to kill Jews. Essentially that's the logic of your argument. Just because someone wants to do X by using reason Y as a justification, it doesn't mean that everyone behind reason Y also wants to do X.

It would mean more if you had actually facts instead of repeating the same conspiracy theory

That isn't me saying that. That's one of the high priestesses of the church of global warming.

But hey, you folks want to keep on worshiping BS, go right ahead. I'm not gonna step in it.

Oh, and PS: This is Political Science, not Algebra.

[jelgate]

I worship science facts and wouldn't stop believing facts because one person has a conspiracy theory. You get me real evidence and we will talk

[mad_gater]

he's right....it's just one big hoax to get even more government control over how we live our lives....ever notice how all these "Chicken Little" proclamations regarding "climate change" also come with proclamations that the government has the moral right to enact climate CONTROL?

and lots of bad things result when mere humans try to control the uncontrollable, in this case, the weather

"climate change"....hey how about that?....weather doesn't stay the same all the time.....nature is a dynamic ever-changing force.....that's one of the first things you learn in any class on the natural sciences

[Annoyed]

he's right....it's just one big hoax to get even more government control over how we live our lives....ever notice how all these "Chicken Little" proclamations regarding "climate change" also come with proclamations that the government has the moral right to enact climate CONTROL?

and lots of bad things result when mere humans try to control the uncontrollable, in this case, the weather

"climate change"....hey how about that?....weather doesn't stay the same all the time.....nature is a dynamic ever-changing force.....that's one of the first things you learn in any class on the natural sciences

In addition, as far as the UN goes, they're just trying to find a way to levy taxes on the U.S., over which it has no jurisdiction whatsoever. This is what their own leaders say, as I quoted above. Any bets on what they really want to do that we don't hear about?

Pulling out of that deal is one of the best things Trump has done.

[aretood2]

he's right....it's just one big hoax to get even more government control over how we live our lives....ever notice how all these "Chicken Little" proclamations regarding "climate change" also come with proclamations that the government has the moral right to enact climate CONTROL?

and lots of bad things result when mere humans try to control the uncontrollable, in this case, the weather

"climate change"....hey how about that?....weather doesn't stay the same all the time.....nature is a dynamic ever-changing force.....that's one of the first things you learn in any class on the natural sciences

That's the activists, not the scientists...besides what's the Church's position on the matter anyway? Something like global warming sounds like it would have a position. And interestingly enough I have discovered that there exists a "Pontifical Academy of Sciences" and a paper from them (see link for PDF file) pretty much following suit with the whole global warming, or rather climate change, thing.

For those not in the know of this, the PAS is a Catholic institution whose president is appointed by the Pope himself. I do believe that the Pope has also spoken about climate change, and not to deny humanity's role in it. And his predecessors are no different (see this link). So is the Church and it's past 3 popes gone all communist on us all?

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

The Pope wrote a 192 page essay on Climate Change.

Because he has a science background and knows what he's talking about.

Unfortunately he gave that essay to Trump. Who wasn't able to read a page of five sentences written in font size 25..

And if you want to search for it, there are papers on climate science and the effects of fossil fuels on the environment from over 100 years ago.

[garhkal]

I shall do penance later then.

Fair enough, we do accept all rain checks!

[SoulReaver]

he's right....it's just one big hoax to get even more government control over how we live our lives....ever notice how all these "Chicken Little" proclamations regarding "climate change" also come with proclamations that the government has the moral right to enact climate CONTROL?

and lots of bad things result when mere humans try to control the uncontrollable, in this case, the weather

"climate change"....hey how about that?....weather doesn't stay the same all the time.....nature is a dynamic ever-changing force.....that's one of the first things you learn in any class on the natural sciences

godvernment also decides how fast you can drive what you can drink who you can talk to & where you can surf (looking at a terrorist website = you're a terrorist) and, soon, what people can do with themselves (women especially) you don't seem to mind godvernment then

[mad_gater]

That's the activists, not the scientists...besides what's the Church's position on the matter anyway? Something like global warming sounds like it would have a position. And interestingly enough I have discovered that there exists a "Pontifical Academy of Sciences" and a paper from them (see link for PDF file) pretty much following suit with the whole global warming, or rather climate change, thing.

For those not in the know of this, the PAS is a Catholic institution whose president is appointed by the Pope himself. I do believe that the Pope has also spoken about climate change, and not to deny humanity's role in it. And his predecessors are no different (see this link). So is the Church and it's past 3 popes gone all communist on us all?

does it say anywhere in there that you must trust the government to be able to clean up effectively? Iwould imagine that's a big fat "no"

[aretood2]

does it say anywhere in there that you must trust the government to be able to clean up effectively? Iwould imagine that's a big fat "no"

Government wasn't the point of the post, it was humanity's impact on climate change. So what is it MG? Is it a hoax and therefore 3 popes and Church itself are fallible/in on it or is it true?

[mad_gater]

Government wasn't the point of the post, it was humanity's impact on climate change. So what is it MG? Is it a hoax and therefore 3 popes and Church itself are fallible/in on it or is it true?

number one...you may wish to educate yourself on what papal infallibility means...in this instance the Pope is NOT infallible as he is rendering what is in essence a 200 page opinion piece that people of faith are free to disagree with as they see fit

number 2...PH says he's supposed to have a scientific background....in what? his opinion might have some credibility if this scientific background is in meteorology and/or climatology...but as far as I know he has no such scientific background in those fields whatsoever

my point stands....it is fundamentally impossible for climate and the weather created by it to stay even remotely constant....weather and climate are always changing

we obviously don't live in a vacuum....we do have SOME impact on the surrounding environment...whether or not our impact is enough to affect the weather patterns of a whole planet is a debatable issue

an argument could be made that perhaps our industrial activities likely have more of an impact on public health than they do on the weather (all those nice lovely little airborne industrial contaminants and toxins that we've been breathing in for who knows how many years)

[Annoyed]

number one...you may wish to educate yourself on what papal infallibility means...in this instance the Pope is NOT infallible as he is rendering what is in essence a 200 page opinion piece that people of faith are free to disagree with as they see fit

number 2...PH says he's supposed to have a scientific background....in what? his opinion might have some credibility if this scientific background is in meteorology and/or climatology...but as far as I know he has no such scientific background in those fields whatsoever

my point stands....it is fundamentally impossible for climate and the weather created by it to stay even remotely constant....weather and climate are always changing

we obviously don't live in a vacuum....we do have SOME impact on the surrounding environment...whether or not our impact is enough to affect the weather patterns of a whole planet is a debatable issue

an argument could be made that perhaps our industrial activities likely have more of an impact on public health than they do on the weather (all those nice lovely little airborne industrial contaminants and toxins that we've been breathing in for who knows how many years)

Actually, there's a fairly lengthy list of reasons to suspect the whole push is a load of what is best left out back in the south 40.

1: Admission by several folks fairly high up in the UN's hierarchy that they do in fact, use climate change as a vehicle for transfer or wealth.
2: A very long list of things that don't match up with their claims.. That's why they can't make up their minds whether its global cooling, warming, or whatever they're claiming this week.
3: Most importantly, their attitude. If a scientist believes he has something that he can prove, he's gonna put it out there and wait for somebody to disprove it. He welcomes a challenge to it, because in his mind, he knows it's the truth. Contrast that with the behavior of the enviros these days. They are just as likely to try to silence someone who challenges them as they are to discuss it with them.

#3 speaks volumes.

[aretood2]

number one...you may wish to educate yourself on what papal infallibility means...in this instance the Pope is NOT infallible as he is rendering what is in essence a 200 page opinion piece that people of faith are free to disagree with as they see fit

number 2...PH says he's supposed to have a scientific background....in what? his opinion might have some credibility if this scientific background is in meteorology and/or climatology...but as far as I know he has no such scientific background in those fields whatsoever

my point stands....it is fundamentally impossible for climate and the weather created by it to stay even remotely constant....weather and climate are always changing

we obviously don't live in a vacuum....we do have SOME impact on the surrounding environment...whether or not our impact is enough to affect the weather patterns of a whole planet is a debatable issue

an argument could be made that perhaps our industrial activities likely have more of an impact on public health than they do on the weather (all those nice lovely little airborne industrial contaminants and toxins that we've been breathing in for who knows how many years)

You would think God would tell him that he is participating in a hoax and to not fill his people with nonsense. I'll just leave this verse here

""And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."

The weather isn't some magical thing. It is part of the biosphere and reacts to the conditions present in the biosphere. There is a floating island of plastic particles the size of Mexico in the Pacific ocean for crying out load. Coral Reefs are being torn apart impacting entire food chains. Desertification can be tied (both in the modern era and in ancient times) to human activity. We have evidence of a change in weather patterns in Mesoamerica in ancient times through slash and burn farming. We have gone way beyond "some impact" on the surrounding environment. We are destroying the earth just as it says. Doesn't matter if you take it to mean land or the planet, the end result is the same.