If he truly supported the first amendment, he would go so that a comedian could roast him. But that's one thing he does not want. He doesn't want anyone to criticize him because he is so great, he's greater than Jesus. Next to him, Jesus is a nobody. (Note the sarcasm). So he supports the first amendment, but wont go and plans do do "something" about the press...yeah....The only modern president to miss it (as the article stated) was Reagan, and he only missed it cause he got shot.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostI find it interesting that the most vocal of Trump's opponents on this board, GF, FH, SR & PH to list 4 off the top of my head are not USA residents/citizens, but the more vocal defenders of Trump's administration such as myself, garhkal & MG are US citizens/residents.
Wonder if our local perspective give us a view that the outsiders lack?
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Originally posted by mad_gater View PostI wouldn't be so quick to label me an ardent defender of his administration. Trump's tendency to flip flop and his tendency put his foot in it....then jam said foot that he just put in it so far into his mouth you'd need the jaws of life to extricate it means I'm not too inclined to trust him as far as I can throw him. However I hope he surprises me and turns out to be better at the job than I'm giving him credit for.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Ran across this while reading the news this morning.
You folks on the left might want to bookmark it.... Be a nice place to hide for the next 8 years
http://www.hillarybeattrump.org/
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostTHATS entirely the problem, WHAT does he intend?
Does his personal intent even matter anymore? You folks asked us folks to "see what happens, it could be good", and if you go back to the day he won, you will see a post from me saying "I will watch and see what happens", I was -willing- to see what would happen, and I -have- watched what is happening, and all I see is the country sliding inexorably into totalitarianism, ....
And don't forget, despite you not believing that his agenda will be good for the country, he is moving rapidly to carry out his campaign promises, and this is good for the country in my and many other people's opinion.
Yes, there are problems and possible improper activity but we really don't know what is going on yet. The biased news media is grabbing onto every scrap of rumor and misinformation it can in hopes of being able to use it as a weapon against the administration. It's going to take quite a while before the truth comes out.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostWhat is "on the right" that you think is good for the USA?
Less government interference in business and personal matters.
Increased protection for the unborn
The reduction of the "nanny state", and an increase in personal responsibility as people realize that the government won't be picking up the tab for stupid choices.
Establishing control of our borders
I could go on, but there are many reasons. Additionally, we can't simply use the textbook definitions of conservative principles, such as free trade because of real world concerns.
But overall, I think the right is better for us than the path the left offers.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostAre you willing to risk the power of your party over the prominence, or even existence of your nation?
But for the lower middle classes, who have been getting the shaft from BOTH parties for a long time now, which is where most of Trump's support comes from, a change or outright replacement of one or both of them is worth some risk, as opposed to just going down the same old path that has not been working for them.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostThis has nothing to do with left of right, this is what AMERICA stands for.
What is America now?
Are you the home of the brave and the land of the free?
Are you the shining city on the hill?
Are you the beacon of light to the rest of the world to aspire to?
Are you the land of the American dream?
What ARE you now America?
How many people have taken advantage of lax immigration enforcement to sneak into or stay in the country illegally, many of them simply tapping the social service systems?
How many US citizens have seen the "American dream" become unreachable for them due to other nations taking advantage of "free trade" deals that we have been stupid enough to sign?
When it comes to international issues, the UN has become pretty much a US haters club, except when they have their hand out to us. They keep trying to come up with ways to establish the right to levy taxes on US citizens or otherwise intervene in our sovereignty with scams such as carbon taxes for energy use or the TPP deal, which Trump wisely removed the US from.
That list of ideals in a good idea, but maybe we ought to take some time and restore those principles for our own citizens for a while.
And this is not exclusive to the US, either. Nationalism is on the rise in many countries all over the world.
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Originally posted by mad_gater View PostI wouldn't be so quick to label me an ardent defender of his administration. Trump's tendency to flip flop and his tendency put his foot in it....then jam said foot that he just put in it so far into his mouth you'd need the jaws of life to extricate it means I'm not too inclined to trust him as far as I can throw him. However I hope he surprises me and turns out to be better at the job than I'm giving him credit for.
Stop it. You're challenging his notion of black and white world with no grey in it.
The thing I mention to people is that a lot of Republicans don't have any choice but to support Trump. Of course he is more amicable to some of the traditional conservative views and this is a great chance to accomplish those. But that's why so many have fallen behind Trump, hope that he won't be that bad. But that doesn't mean that they'd rather Trump hop on a plane and fly to a secluded island and stay there and let Pence take over.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostYou've watched for slightly over a month since he took office. It's far too early to make judgements.
How long did you wait before making judgements on Obama?
And don't forget, despite you not believing that his agenda will be good for the country, he is moving rapidly to carry out his campaign promises, and this is good for the country in my and many other people's opinion.
Here's the problem, his views are soundbites. He complains about Mexico, but we have the same exact deficit with Germany, Canada, and Japan as we do with Mexico yet no complaints about them. Does that not strike you as odd?
He wants to bring back jobs, but the jobs he wants to bring back are either obsolete, or cost ineffective. Your solution is to implement some communist style central planning on private companies where you force them to hire X amount of workers and pay them at Y wages. Which you'll have to introduce price controls as soon as you notice that to afford this, companies will have to increase their prices accordingly. This isn't some sort of wild theorizing. It's math and history. It's not crazy liberal thinking either, just visit CATO's website and read up on the literature. You can stand to learn a thing or two about economics.
Yes, there are problems and possible improper activity but we really don't know what is going on yet. The biased news media is grabbing onto every scrap of rumor and misinformation it can in hopes of being able to use it as a weapon against the administration. It's going to take quite a while before the truth comes out.
A smaller, cheaper government which will result in lower taxes and less borrowing.
Less government interference in business and personal matters.
But he plans to increase military spending, increase defense spending in general, and build a multi-billion dollar wall, with no way of actually getting revenue for it (due to tax cuts). This equals debt. Especially considering that his cuts will leave the Government with a lot less than he can actually cut.
Increased protection for the unborn
Unless they're parents are here illegally.
The reduction of the "nanny state", and an increase in personal responsibility as people realize that the government won't be picking up the tab for stupid choices.
I haven't heard any such promises from him. Furthermore, what we need is increased transition to workfare and job (re)training programs. We were heading in the right direction in the 90's with that. We should continue it instead on focusing on going after non-existent SNAP abuses (Note, I said that with some hyperbole*).
Establishing control of our borders
He wants to build a wall to keep terrorists out, but they've all came either through airports or through Canada or were homegrown. Does that not strike you as odd? Sure, the travel ban was a good way to solve that issue (except the whole coming through Canada bit) however it didn't target the right countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia. You might as well have banned Muslims from the Island of Malta (There aren't that many Muslims there if you didn't know).
I could go on, but there are many reasons. Additionally, we can't simply use the textbook definitions of conservative principles, such as free trade because of real world concerns.
The reason why you don't like it is because cost ineffective industries have moved to areas where they are cost effective. But that's just the thing, anything short of socialistic policies will not fix the underlying issues of simple free market economics.
But overall, I think the right is better for us than the path the left offers.
Those are nice ideals to aspire to, but the rest of the world has taken advantage of them.
How many people have taken advantage of lax immigration enforcement to sneak into or stay in the country illegally, many of them simply tapping the social service systems?
How many US citizens have seen the "American dream" become unreachable for them due to other nations taking advantage of "free trade" deals that we have been stupid enough to sign?
What is the American Dream to you? Because from where I am sitting, it's still very much viable.
When it comes to international issues, the UN has become pretty much a US haters club, except when they have their hand out to us. They keep trying to come up with ways to establish the right to levy taxes on US citizens or otherwise intervene in our sovereignty with scams such as carbon taxes for energy use or the TPP deal, which Trump wisely removed the US from.
The UN had nothing to do with TPP. But now that the US is out of the way, China is extremely grateful. That really made Trump a popular figure for the People's communist party.
That list of ideals in a good idea, but maybe we ought to take some time and restore those principles for our own citizens for a while.
And this is not exclusive to the US, either. Nationalism is on the rise in many countries all over the world.
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Originally posted by aretood2 View PostLast time that happened, we got the rise of Fascism.If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.- Abba Eban.
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Originally posted by Womble View PostAnd the fall of absolute monarchy along with the abolition of serfdom.
I originally wrote a lengthy post going through the fate of serfdoms in different areas of the world but then realized I needed clarification. Do you mean nationalism as the pure definition of the word or nationalism as the phenomena discussed by historians that had its roots in the late 18th century but manifested itself in the 19th century? Because that's the one we are talking about.
Considering that much of what ended serfdom in Western Europe happened in the 18th century as a result of everything but nationalism. East Asia has a much different story (one of serfdom and a Japanese idea of a god leading the country and being #1 and having to spread the superior Japanese way to the lesser Asians, but that's neither here nor there.)
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostYou have no protection under the constitution or law to own whatever you want.
None, zip, zilch, nada, stuff all.
If trump pushes through the federal laws on pot, that will become illegal in states where it is currently legal and they can not just collect your pot, but put you in jail as well for breaking the law
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostExcuse me, anyone behaving like bigots can be sued into obscurity, the law does not target "Christians", it targets bigotry.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostAre you the home of the brave and the land of the free?
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostYou've watched for slightly over a month since he took office. It's far too early to make judgements.
Why?
And don't forget, despite you not believing that his agenda will be good for the country, he is moving rapidly to carry out his campaign promises, and this is good for the country in my and many other people's opinion.
And what has he rapidly moved on?
Obama rapidly moved on closing Gitmo, we know how well that worked.
The wall is not built, nor has funding been approved.
Banning people from coming? That went down well.
Bringing back jobs? Sorry, speak to the companies involved and his threats and bluster were not what motivated their decisions.
What else did he promise?
Winning? Making America Great?
I see no evidence of either.
Yes, there are problems and possible improper activity but we really don't know what is going on yet.
WikiLeaks proved it, but leaks proving trumps actions, from your own government, that's all just lies.........
The biased news media is grabbing onto every scrap of rumor and misinformation it can in hopes of being able to use it as a weapon against the administration. It's going to take quite a while before the truth comes out.
How will the "truth" come out, when you have already decided on what the truth is, absent of fact mind you.
A smaller, cheaper government which will result in lower taxes and less borrowing.
Expanding the police and INS/ICE
Expanding the military
Building up nuclear stockpiles (that's a good one, it broke the USSR before)
How are you paying for this? Smaller taxes?
Less government interference in business and personal matters.
Increased protection for the unborn
The reduction of the "nanny state", and an increase in personal responsibility as people realize that the government won't be picking up the tab for stupid choices.
Establishing control of our borders.
I could go on, but there are many reasons. Additionally, we can't simply use the textbook definitions of conservative principles, such as free trade because of real world concerns.
You would have to understand them first.
But overall, I think the right is better for us than the path the left offers.
As I've said, I don't really think the existence of the US as a superpower or even a nation are at risk.
But for the lower middle classes, who have been getting the shaft from BOTH parties for a long time now, which is where most of Trump's support comes from, a change or outright replacement of one or both of them is worth some risk, as opposed to just going down the same old path that has not been working for them.
I'm not saying that as some kind of "liberal elite", but an honest question. Do you think that they know what is best for your country?
Consider this. In 2008, your economy crashed, in 2009 a president brought you back from that, in 2010, republicans took over 2 parts of the government and made it clear that they would do whatever it would take to stop him from doing anything -even if it helped them-.
This is what middle America has done with it's control.
Those are nice ideals to aspire to, but the rest of the world has taken advantage of them.
They are the founding principles of American exceptionalism, the basis of patriotism, and now that they are "inconvenient", they are disposable?
I don't know exactly what to say to that.
How many people have taken advantage of lax immigration enforcement to sneak into or stay in the country illegally, many of them simply tapping the social service systems?
Again, no one really knows.
How many US citizens have seen the "American dream" become unreachable for them due to other nations taking advantage of "free trade" deals that we have been stupid enough to sign?
When it comes to international issues, the UN has become pretty much a US haters club, except when they have their hand out to us. They keep trying to come up with ways to establish the right to levy taxes on US citizens or otherwise intervene in our sovereignty with scams such as carbon taxes for energy use or the TPP deal, which Trump wisely removed the US from.
As for the TTP, it -was- essentially written by businesses, so of course they looked after their own interests first, but believe me, of all the countries willing to sign on, the US got the best deal of the lot. It won't matter that it died, another country will pick it up, modify it and just take your place, probably China.
That list of ideals in a good idea, but maybe we ought to take some time and restore those principles for our own citizens for a while.
And this is not exclusive to the US, either. Nationalism is on the rise in many countries all over the world.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by garhkal View PostFirst off, pot is already illegal along with crack, heroin etc BY federal law. IT just has not been enforced as such in those states who legalized it..
Then why have we NEVER seen these LGBTQ lawsuits, go after Islamic stores/muslim owned facilities?? IT only ever seems to be Christian ones. ERGO to me that IS targeting christians.
Just because you do not know, does not mean it does not happen.
WE were, but these days we seem to be the home of the perpetually offended and land of the "I will sue" generation.
Remind me again -which- generation is pushing this crap?
Remind me again -how- many lawsuits trump has filed.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostDoes everything boil down to "what group are we oppressing this week" to you?
Why else would I have said we're missing some muslims -- considering they are already banned from coming into your country.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostShe was referring to the various groups that are represented by the few here.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostNo country has a monopoly on stupid.
I was wondering about how that Iodine-131 got into our atmosphere.
Someone's been playing around with something nuclear up north.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostWhat is Russian for "oops"??
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...s-in-1.2988161
Originally posted by Ukko View PostMan i bet this plqce has been insane the past few months!!!
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostAnother factor is that unlike Democrats, Republican voters will hold their candidates accountable.
Mmm... yeah... working out great so far.
Originally posted by SoulReaver View Postfair enough besides the real naive innocent one here is FH
Cause I though he wouldn't get elected? I didn't factor in the stupidity of the american stupid sphere. Not going to make that mistake twice.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostIF your assumption that he is intending a takeover of this country or something similar, it might not. But really don't think that is what he intends. He is not likely to make the list of best presidents ever.
I'd say, it's a good bet, he really doesn't care about the country one bit.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostWhat is America now?
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostAre you the home of the brave and the land of the free?
Free --> nope, not so much.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostAre you the shining city on the hill?
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostAre you the beacon of light to the rest of the world to aspire to?
Not anymore.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostAre you the land of the American dream?
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostWhat ARE you now America?
It was a nice evenly spread out mix of Brexit and #45 yesterday at a friend's b'day party. The people from the UK (all voted remain) also discussed his impending visit -- wether it will be state or not is yet up in the air.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostDoes the snowflake need a safe space?
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/321...ondents-dinner
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostIf he truly supported the first amendment, he would go so that a comedian could roast him. But that's one thing he does not want. He doesn't want anyone to criticize him because he is so great, he's greater than Jesus. Next to him, Jesus is a nobody. (Note the sarcasm). So he supports the first amendment, but wont go and plans do do "something" about the press...yeah....
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostThe only modern president to miss it (as the article stated) was Reagan, and he only missed it cause he got shot.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostYou've watched for slightly over a month since he took office. It's far too early to make judgements.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostAnd don't forget, despite you not believing that his agenda will be good for the country, he is moving rapidly to carry out his campaign promises, and this is good for the country in my and many other people's opinion.
I just can't... it's so sad.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostThe biased news media is grabbing onto every scrap of rumor and misinformation it can in hopes of being able to use it as a weapon against the administration. It's going to take quite a while before the truth comes out.
You're fallen down the rabbit hole.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostA smaller, cheaper government which will result in lower taxes and less borrowing.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostIncreased protection for the unborn
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostEstablishing control of our borders
What about all those beaches?
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostAs I've said, I don't really think the existence of the US as a superpower or even a nation are at risk.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostBut for the lower middle classes, who have been getting the shaft from BOTH parties for a long time now, which is where most of Trump's support comes from, a change or outright replacement of one or both of them is worth some risk, as opposed to just going down the same old path that has not been working for them.
Originally posted by Annoyed View Post...the TPP deal, which Trump wisely removed the US from.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostFirst off, pot is already illegal along with crack, heroin etc BY federal law. IT just has not been enforced as such in those states who legalized it.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostThen why have we NEVER seen these LGBTQ lawsuits, go after Islamic stores/muslim owned facilities?? IT only ever seems to be Christian ones. ERGO to me that IS targeting christians.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostIf you paid attention you would have realized as I was actually referring to representation in this thread.
Why else would I have said we're missing some muslims -- considering they are already banned from coming into your country.
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostBannon has already openly admitted the heads in place of all the departments are there to destroy them.
I'd say, it's a good bet, he really doesn't care about the country one bit.
One of the things Trump said he was going to do was reshape the government of this country, reigning in its excesses that it has developed over the years.
He's just carrying out campaign promises. Why are you surprised?
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View Post
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-gay-rights-/
Just because you do not know, does not mean it does not happen.
Not sure you linked the right article because it seems to do more to make garkhal's point than it does to disprove it.
"But Ms. Loesch isn’t counting on it. “Waiting for the militant progressive supporters of gay wedding cake to start threatening and protesting these Muslim ran bakeries,” she said in a Facebook post. “I think we will be waiting a long time.”"
That pretty much sums it up.
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostMaybe because there have, as of yet, not been any complaints about it.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostDid you miss the part about I wasn't talking about racial/ethnic/whatever group? I was saying that the general intelligence level of this bunch of people is somewhat higher than the average in the U.S?
Or perhaps these departments, particularly the EPA, have grossly overstepped their authority over the years?
One of the things Trump said he was going to do was reshape the government of this country, reigning in its excesses that it has developed over the years.
He's just carrying out campaign promises. Why are you surprised?
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Originally posted by aretood2 View Post
Not sure you linked the right article because it seems to do more to make garkhal's point than it does to disprove it.
"But Ms. Loesch isn’t counting on it. “Waiting for the militant progressive supporters of gay wedding cake to start threatening and protesting these Muslim ran bakeries,” she said in a Facebook post. “I think we will be waiting a long time.”"
That pretty much sums it up.
The article told both sides of the story, no more. The fact is, someone running a "sting" would have no legal basis to sue as they were going in under false pretences. If a LGBT person did choose to sue, they could, so I utterly reject the notion that the law itself is biased. That no one may have -yet- is utterly irrelevant, and it's not like you to miss that distinction Tood.
Maybe you should read Gatefan's article...especially the last two paragraphs. It's pretty clear that people are going after Christians only and leaving Muslims alone.
About that. How exactly is he taking power from DC back to the people? By forcing states regarding pot? Or by forcing states to use state funds and resources to do the Federal government's job? Or by forcing states to abandon their own environmental policies? Or by forcing states to do XYZ to their education system? If anything, this looks like same old same old to me.
Government so small it can fit...............................sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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