Ayan's Evil Laboratory

[Lilith]

well so far, the material seems to stick to anything sentient with a pulse.... it's composed of antemantium, a light density naquada, and iron (III).... i'm not exactly sure why hot sause makes it volatile...

[Daryl Froggy]

My suggestion is to have several sensor systems all looking at a small globule of your liquid armor then throw some hot sauce on it to see in detail what happens.

[Lilith]

heh... good idea... you know what the really weird thing is? it's not just any hot sause, it's Louisiana Hot Sause.... i mean i've thrown acids, i've thrown bases, i've thrown radioactive materials at the stuff but nothing even so much as phases it.... but just a little drop of Louisiana Hot Sause and KABOOM!!

oh... here's a little discusion we had at the Wraith Defenders Club [( always accepting new members )] and since you and syera like to fiddle with genetic material, syera more than you, i figured you guys would be interested

Spoiler:

While I was watching last week The Ark an idea hit me:

We saw what is the Wraith society:

Leader of the Hive is a Queen / or a King, if we accept that the male Wraith in Sateda was a King /

She /He/ rules the Hive. All other Wraiths follow the Leader' orders.

Everything in the Wraith society is focused in Feeding. The main goal is to search and collect food - humans.
Or at least we think this is the main goal.

BUT...what if...

Imagine that Atlantis team or someone else finds an alternate food source or a way humans to recover from Wraith feeding. Then what will happen to the Wraith society??

Will the Wraith continue to live in Hives and be ruled by an absolute ruler? Or they will became more and more emancipated and individual? Will be there any Hives at all after they have a limitless food source??

interesting question FW... i believe there would still be hives b/c each hive acts a lot like a city-state, so logically, the hives would still function as primarily wraith dominated cities.... the Wratih leaders would loose power though, and so logically, they would fight the introduction of the new food source or whatever the solution may be.

secondly, i mentioned a long while back, that if the wraith were to feed off a human for short periods at a time, taking only a few years of life, the human could, and probably would recover those few years with a day or two of bed rest. remember, a wraith is a type of vampire, and as all vampires, they do not have to kill to feed. a "humane," and i use that term for lack of a better word, vampire would only feed a little and allow their prey to recuperate so as to draw out the prey's longgevity. why kill a human in one feeding when you could easily spend the rest of their lives feeding off of several humans? by doing so, the scarcity of prey is lessened. unfortunately, the wraith feed ll at once instead of baiting their hunger.

thirdly, if a wraith, such as Gabriel, would willingly help up, we could test the above theory as well as synthesise and test new theories. the humans' problem is that they do not have a live wraith to study.. now if they argreed to go about things a bit more humanely, some wraith may not feel threatened by these scientific experiments... like Gabriel said, there is much we don't know about them, and as Shep added, there is much they don't know about us.

I think the Wraith feed upon humans not because they like it but because there are no other option.
But ...another idea just crossed my mind.
In Rising the Ancient woman from the Hologram said that while the Lanteans explored the galaxy they met the sleeping Wraith. So I suppose that the Wraith had been in hybernation after feeding upon other worlds and may be another spieces different from humans. Or maybe they were fed upon humans that Ancients populated the galaxy and just had forgotten for them. So may be the Wraith have been feeding upon humans more than 10 000 years.

there's also McKay's theory that the Wraith evolved from Irratus bugs that fed off of the Alterans... he and Carson were able to isolate the Irratus virus which essentially, if you look at McKay's theory, was in the saliva of the irratus bug and infected the Alterans and mutated... also, in Poisoning the Well the poison was based on the componants of human blood which suggests, that though the Wraith feed on "youth" they do so through blood like the Irratus bug and sangius vampires do... by being able to isolate that specific componant from blood and combining it with the retro-virus, it is possible to concoct an addictive serum that over time, converts the wraiths' digestive system into something more humanoid and then the serum becomes a cooking herb for wraith diets

Very detail analysis, Lilith)) But I wonder is this theory right. Because if we look at the things from a distant point of view isn't it the whole life an infection. We humans for example have common parts of our DNA with that of the monkeys. And if we follow the way our favourite Atlantis team treated the Wraith then...we also have to develop a cure for our infection

ah yes, this is true... but we also know, thanks to Ellia that the wratih don't actually begin to feed on humans until a certain age... until then they find substance in human diets... my solution is more humane than the original retro-virus in that the wraith still retain who they are, they just slowly loose the need and want to on human life force.... think of it a quasi-evolution, forced and slightly necessary... just like the Alterran's ascention, forced and slightly necessary... tho, in the wraith's case, it may be qualified as a reverse evolution or a devolution, if you will... but the change will be gradual, possibly even spanning generations, which is another way that it is more humane than the original retro-virus

[Daryl Froggy]

I am wondering how humane it is to the humans to step the Wraith from their life-force addiction over generations.

[Lilith]

is it any more humane to mass breed life stock just to slaughter them? or chemically enhancing feed so that hens can produce bigger eggs in greater quantity? compared to some things that modern civilaztion does to animals for food, stemming the wraith's digestive system is a lesser evil

anyways, here, this isn't a moral debate, but a scientific one... so please, as the scientists we are, forego the moral aspects of the dissucion and focus on the science... i ask your opinion as scientist

[Daryl Froggy]

hmm... Fine, my opinion is that this may work, as long as the humans don't decide to take action with the lesser actions of the Wraith.

Militaristic Humans within the Pegasus Galaxy would seize this time of Wraith "weakening" as a way to commit genocide against them as their digestive system is regenerating and their abilities of regeneration are lessening.

One of the primary things to watch out for are Wraith with whom feeding on humans has become a psychological addiction. Wraith of this type would do their best to continue to feed on humans and indeed they might find a way to reverse the effects of this nifty little genetic modification. To respond to them I believe that we must execute them, especially if they begin to do research on how to reverse the effects.

I appologize for whatever confusing grammar I used in this little response.


P.S. If it is acceptable I think that I could make a faster acting method with the same general effects.

[Lilith]

that is acceptable... and i agree, those with a psychological addiction would cause the most harm... which hopefully would be reduced with the slowness of lasting effects...

[Daryl Froggy]

So you want a method of getting this substance/energy-field to the entire pegasus galaxy, and a little beyond just in case. But you don't want it to change them faster? I want to be clear on this part so that I won't make all of the Wraith go crazy with an insanely fast acting method.

[Syera]

Hm... methinks this is an interesting concept.

By the way, I think I know how I shall keep Carson Beckett safe from death: I shall turn him into a dragon. As a dragon, he shall naturally retain his Scottish accent, which shall in turn make him so ridiculously cute that no-one shall be able to kill him. I get the feeling this will interfere somewhat with his medical career, but on the bright side, he can breath fire on death-wielding PTB.

[Daryl Froggy]

That depends on how large of a dragon he is and how prehensile his fore-limbs are. If you make him nearly human height and give him fully prehinsle fore-limbs his medical career should go foreward with little if any hitch.

[Lilith]

So you want a method of getting this substance/energy-field to the entire pegasus galaxy, and a little beyond just in case. But you don't want it to change them faster? I want to be clear on this part so that I won't make all of the Wraith go crazy with an insanely fast acting method.

one of the reasons the original retro-virus is ineffective is that it acts too fast, not allowing the wraith psyche to adjust... to cope, the brain shuts down and reboots with total amnesia... the retro-virus then works as a memory suppressor as well as a "vaccination"... this in effect, "kills" the wraith, which would suggest, psychologically, why the wraith are so against the retro-virus.... with a slow acting agent, the wraith has time to both psychologically and physically adjust.... it is also felt, that if the agent was faster acting, there would those not willing to give up their heritage and then we have factions to contend with.... with a slow acting agent, the older fashioned wraiths have a longer time and better chance to adjust to a new heirarchy, a new way of life... it acts as a forced evolution than an unwanted cure.... remeber this idea centralizes along one key fact... as Michael once said, "We are not a disease you can cure." so why cure them? unstead, why don't we force them to evolve? it isn't exactly humane, but atleast it's a lot more respectful

[Daryl Froggy]

True, is there any way for them to keep their "superpowers" while no longer having to feed upon humans, or any other intelligent life? I can easily get you a system to affect the entire Wraith population both successfully and covertly.

[Lilith]

well, the purpose for my syrum isn't to destroy what the wraith are right now, but to evolve their dietary needs... they would essentially stay what they are... what the retro-virus fails to do is deal with psychological aspect that plays in the feeding process... feeding on humans is as much psychological as it is biological... by carefully weining them of that biological dependancy, we are weining them psycologically as well, which is what makes my proposed ideas more humane... so really, biologically, they will be the same with exception of having to feed on humans...

[Daryl Froggy]

Okay but how much normal food will they have to eat to achieve the same thing that feeding on one human would? We may accidentally make an even more locust like threat that eats everything, not just the human population.

[Lilith]

we're looking to make their dietary needs similar to humans... so the basic ammount of food that a humans needs per sitting would suffice... now to keep down fears of food shortages, we can tweak how much that basic amount contributes... one meal could easily last several days in the digestive process... as far as we know, the wraith do not feed every day, but rather, more like once every few days.... if the basic ammount of food as compared to the average human, could sustaine a wraith as long as feeding on one human to death would, then that would cut down to need for food sustance considerably... if we do succeed in changing wraith physiology to this degree, then we may want to look at a similar metamorphose for the human populace... a possible solution to end world hunger if you will... anyways, do as you feel would benefit the subjects best...