General Ship ( Relationship) Discussion

[Chrysalis]

After 8 long seasons of the "non-ship ship" between Jack and Sam, I solidly vote for NO SHIPS, other than ones that fly, float or are based on true friendSHIP.

Ha! I agree. Still a Sam and Jack fan, and hate the idea fo RDA not being there (am in Australia, will be a while before we see it one way or the other)
Am loving Sheppard and Weir on Atlantis, though.

[Shep'sSocks]

I think the name Shweir for the Sheppard/Weir ship sounds like a drunk. "I shweir, I shweir, I'm innocshent."

[Shipperahoy]

In all honesty, all of the name contractions make me giggle. I just can't take something called McWeir seriously. Same goes for Sheyla and all the others. If people have fun with them then more power to them but I just can't get my head wrapped around them.

[L-JADE]

I think the ship name in GW started with SMOR (Sam & Thor).. I was LOL at that and visiting the thread for some time, but then other thread keep popping up and it's just get ridiculous.
I'm an S/J fan, lurked at the thread daily, but after Moebius I just felt it's no use anymore, the last chance I gave TPB to settle S/J ship, and TPB can't even do a decent thing for that they rather do it in AU.
I DON'T WANT SHIP at the show anymore,, I rather stick with fan-fiction, FF are better & satisfying.

[Easter Lily]

In all honesty, all of the name contractions make me giggle. I just can't take something called McWeir seriously. Same goes for Sheyla and all the others. If people have fun with them then more power to them but I just can't get my head wrapped around them.

That's just it... how can one take seriously a discussion about a romance called McWeir, Shweir or Sheyla... I can't think of anything less romantic than to call a couple something sounding like food that I won't let my daughter eat more than once a month.
Consider:
McWeir whispered sweet nothings into one another ears
Shweir swore that they would love each other forever
Sheyla vowed that nothing would separate them

Euuuwwwww...

I detest these contractions... maybe I'm showing my age here... But how hard can it be for people to type a few extra letters...
Say, my name is Lily and my husband's John... imagine our friends going around the place calling us "Liohn" or "Jolil". Our 4-year old is never going to take us very seriously...

[Purpleyin]

I detest these contractions... maybe I'm showing my age here... But how hard can it be for people to type a few extra letters...
Say, my name is Lily and my husband's John... imagine our friends going around the place calling us "Liohn" or "Jolil". Our 4-year old is never going to take us very seriously...

Exactly, if people really want to save time/typing then M/W, S/W, S/T are alot better. On the other hand I occasionally use McWeir myself, sometimes because not everything ship is serious, and also because there are still plenty of people I know using it so I can't actually get away from it... I don't think any less of people for using it generally, and there do seem to be plenty of perfectly sane reasonable people using these terms who are over the age of 20. However, I really don't like the sound of Shweir - it isn't the nicest combination, just has no ring to it at all, nothing going for it - and can see why very very few shippers use that one, but it seems the Sheyla supporters are mostly happy to use their one despite the unpleasantness you get from typing said 'name' in google. I haven't tried doing that but I've heard what happens.

I think however I can defintely put up with Mcweir now and then or Smors for that matter, and just about stomach Sheyla if needs be but there are much worse appearing. Beckett/Weir - Weckett or Beir! Ford/Teyla - Teyden and ick...Tord! I'm quite sure these aren't worst ones either but really this needs to stop because names were never named with this kind of stuff in mind and its pure luck that a few ones don't sound too bad compared to the majority of possibilities.

[sueKay]

After 8 long seasons of the "non-ship ship" between Jack and Sam, I solidly vote for NO SHIPS, other than ones that fly, float or are based on true friendSHIP.

Yup

TPTB couldn't get Sam and Jack ship right...I've invested too much in that ship to back out of it now, but I'm not going to be shipping for anyone ever again.

For me, Atlantis and SG1 season 9 are all SHIP-FREE...

...and that suits me fine!

(It leaves more room for better stories and whatnot)

[hail_dorothy]

I think the name Shweir for the Sheppard/Weir ship sounds like a drunk. "I shweir, I shweir, I'm innocshent."

*Cringes* They're all so awful aren't they. I mean I laugh at their awfulness, and yet I wince when I see people using them.

Has anyone here tried sticking 'Sheyla' into google? Know what you get? Porn. No, really. Anything beginning with Mc sounds like some kind of Happy Meal reject (my fav being "McShep", which sounds like the McDonalds dog meat burger that never was). Shweir is just....No. And Tord? Sounds just a little too close to *another* word, if ya know what I mean.

Imagine if people actually start doing it to the characters first names:
John/Rodney - Jodney. Ron.
John/Liz - Oh. God.....Jiz. (My ship! My poor beautiful ship!)

And on that awful thought, I am going to go make my self a cup of tea.

[Shep'sSocks]

What gets me is that McShep is now being used for any sort of McKay-Sheppard interaction. They could speak two words to each other and it's labelled as a "McShep" scene. *cringe*

[ShadowMaat]

What gets me is that McShep is now being used for any sort of McKay-Sheppard interaction. They could speak two words to each other and it's labelled as a "McShep" scene. *cringe*

Actually, that's indicative of pretty much EVERY kind of ship. Two characters sharing the same room instantly makes it an "X/Y scene". Just be glad they exchange words. Wait until they don't even speak to each other and it's called a "McShep scene" because they "shared a look".

[Madeleine]

And then wait until there are enough 'looks' shared between them over the course of the ever-increasing number of episodes for the looks to be categorized: Poignant, Sweet, You're so not getting any tonight, or Full of longing.

[Oma-1]

Please no!!!!! I can't face smouldering looks between Shep and Rodney - its just ..... euwwwwww! Except for the ones where Shep's gonna kill him the minute they get out of the trouble Rodney's caused

Oh, and if anyone called me a Sack or Jam fan I'd have to pelt them with rotten tomatoes and abandon them in depths of cyber space. Just so that's clear

[ShadowMaat]

Looks like it's time for me to vent some more steam on the subject of ship on Stargate.

I think that most people who know me are aware that I despise the idea of main character ship. I hate it with a passion because, as far as I'm concerned, it's a trite, meaningless, desperate ploy by writers to try and grab the attention of the female audience. I resent the idea that, as a woman, I need to have a romantic element on the show (or any show) in order to find it interesting. I resent it being illustrated on the show and I resent being told that in fandom. I do not presume to speak for all women, everywhere, and I would appreciate it if the same courtesy were extended to me.

I like character-driven shows/episodes, yes, but I don't see why a character-driven episode has to translate into "these two should sleep together".

Do people who work together and who are pitted against impossible odds sometimes fall in love? Yeah, but not EVERY time. I don't think it's a necessary element to maintain believeability. It's also perfectly possible to work side by side with someone for years and never fall into bed with him/her. Even in life-or-death situations.

Forcing the main characters to get together is, IMO, lazy writing. It's cliche, it's trite, it's predictible. So many of the shows out there try to pair off the main leads that there is little if any meaning to it other than, "they're the leads, therefore they must love each other". Nevermind the fact that often the two have no romantic chemistry, nevermind that they are often at complete opposites because, you know, they're damned by the whole "opposites attract" rule.

Well ya know what? Sometimes opposites don't attract.

And why does it have to be between the leads? Why can't they form relationships with other characters? That way, instead of trapping two main characters in the same stupid storyline, you get two NEW characters who can unveil various aspects of the leads that we might otherwise never have seen. Damn Pete all you will for who and what he was, but he showed us a side of Carter that we never would have seen- particularly not with Jack. THOSE are the kinds of relationships I prefer, the ones that give us insights into the characters without detracting from the main plot.

And as I've said before, once you have two leads shipped, any sense of "team" goes right out the airlock because the Chosen Pair is instantly elevated to "more important than everyone else". Instead of getting character/plot development, you get mushy moments substituted in that we're expected to accept as plot/character development. Instead of a story about a team, you get the Chosen Couple... with a couple other people tagging along and taking away from their lovey-dovey moments.

Sorry, but that isn't my idea of a scifi action series. I want PLOT, not passion. I have other shows to go to if I want to see the characters "involved", but Stargate has, IMO, proven that they are completely incompetent in melding ship with story (especially since they tend to think that ship IS story) and I don't want to see Atlantis poisoned by the same problems as SG-1.

Atlantis doesn't need a shippy sub-plot to draw people in, it's good enough on its own merits.

My opinion, anyway.

[Linzi]

This is a great thread!
I have to say that I am not a ship fan.
It seems to me that as ShadowMaat says sometimes it's a convenient plot device to attract us needy females! Well I object to that! I don't watch Science Fiction for romance, I watch it because I love the science, the action and the most important aspect of a show, the characters! I don't object to physical attraction or flirting, that happens in RL, but throwing characters together when there is no spark is pointless in my opinion.
Surely major characters can like, respect and care deeply for eachother without wanting to 'do the funky monkey', as the great Deluise would say!
I enjoy seeing the characters care for eachother, and worrying for eachother's safety, but surely that doesn't have to have romantic undertones.
In SGA, for example, the only romantic situation Sheppard has been in so far is with Chaya, and from what I gather most people hate that episode.
So I vote for no ship, with lots of friendship and conflict between major characters thrown in!

[ShadowMaat]

There is a word that gets bandied about by some of the more ardent pro-shippers and it's a word that grates on my nerves: "unrealistic". It's unrealistic, they say, for men and women to live and work closely together for years and never get involved in a relationship. It's unrealistic they say, for men and women NOT to fall in love.

Shep and Weir HAVE to fall in love because it'd be unrealistic for them not to. And yet, Shep has to fall in love with Teyla, too, because it's unrealistic if they don't.

Tell me, how realistic is it for temmates to ALWAYS fall in love... WITH EACH OTHER?? Why can't Shep find a girl ELSEWHERE in Atlantis? Why can't Weir find a guy who isn't the lead of every single ep? And Teyla... *shakes head* Poor Teyla. She isn't allowed to have any choice at all, is she? She's supposed to fall in love with Shep because that's what sexy alien females do? Sorry, but I don't buy it. I don't buy ANY of it. And I HATE being told that I'm "unrealistic" for not liking certain pairings and I hate it being implied that chemistry is something so blatantly obvious that you HAVE to see it or you're blind.

Chemistry is in the eye of the beholder. Even I know that. It isn't something you can force between characters and it isn't something you can force fans to accept, either. And there is NOTHING wrong with ANYONE who can't see ship... and nothing wrong with those who CAN.

Learn the difference between OPINION and FACT.