General Ship ( Relationship) Discussion

[Anuna]

I think Vala is good for Daniel she brought passion back into his life which I haven't seen since Sha're

I tend to agree with that, althugh I think Vala could form an interesting relationship with almost everyone. There's something about Claudia Balck and her on screen presence and the way most other actors react to her character that makes me feel that.

As for Daniel, I shipped him with Janet. Of course, that wasn't stunningly overt and thrown into our faces, but there were little moments and I enjoyed those so much.

[Ashizuri]

As for Daniel, I shipped him with Janet. Of course, that wasn't stunningly overt and thrown into our faces, but there were little moments and I enjoyed those so much.

Weirdly enough, I totally shipped Janet with Jack. There was really absolutely nothing to go on, but the scene in the Broca Divide where Jack is all diseased but he breaks through and asks Janet to use him as a test specimen and she gets all teary eyed and happy that he was in there (this moment) just made my inner fangirl squee.

As for Vala...well, anyone but Daniel really. I love the idea of them as friends, but I don't think they're compatible at all. In fact, for me, Vala, and by extention D/V, killed a lot of my love Daniel. Teal'c/Vala would have been nice. I loved all the scenes she had with him. And I really liked Vala with Tomin. In my personal canon that's why she's not going to be in the third film; she's left the SGC to help Tomin with victims of the Ori and they're growing closer...

[VampyreWraith]

Butting in here, but I would have loved to have seen more of Sabrina Gosling. She had crazy amounts of chemistry with MS in the one brief scene they had together. Also, if Atlantis had never happened, Jessica Steen's Weir had a lot of potential and I really enjoyed her interactions with Daniel.

Sabrina Gosling? Was that Katherine Langford's neice? If so, I agree with you that they had nice chemistry in that one scene. I think that MS had good chemistry with both TH and JS. I think that Daniel and Elizabeth with either actress could have worked well. I thought the characters personalities worked well together.

I also really liked Daniel with Sha're and I pretty much like how that whole story arc went, even if it was sad; but I woundn't have minded if it lasted longer.

I tend to agree with that, althugh I think Vala could form an interesting relationship with almost everyone. There's something about Claudia Balck and her on screen presence and the way most other actors react to her character that makes me feel that.

As for Daniel, I shipped him with Janet. Of course, that wasn't stunningly overt and thrown into our faces, but there were little moments and I enjoyed those so much.

Claudia Black is a great actress and had great chemistry with everyone. I just preferred her in her more serious scenes on SG1. If Daniel/Vala had just had more subtle and serious scenes together I might have liked them.

I also liked Daniel and Janet because they had nice moments together and I thought the two characters personalities worked well together.
I guess in general I just prefer very subtle on-screen ships for me to actually like/approve of them.

Add: Bagpuss, thanks for moving the thread and making our conversations legit btw.

[VampyreWraith]

Weirdly enough, I totally shipped Janet with Jack. There was really absolutely nothing to go on, but the scene in the Broca Divide where Jack is all diseased but he breaks through and asks Janet to use him as a test specimen and she gets all teary eyed and happy that he was in there (this moment) just made my inner fangirl squee.

As for Vala...well, anyone but Daniel really. I love the idea of them as friends, but I don't think they're compatible at all. In fact, for me, Vala, and by extention D/V, killed a lot of my love Daniel. Teal'c/Vala would have been nice. I loved all the scenes she had with him. And I really liked Vala with Tomin. In my personal canon that's why she's not going to be in the third film; she's left the SGC to help Tomin with victims of the Ori and they're growing closer...

I liked Vala/Tomin best for both characters. I just thought their scenes together brought out all of Vala's best qualities. I could have seen Vala/Teal'c; and Vala/Cam or Vala/John(sga) could have been fun.(mostly for the character interaction)

[LadyGalaxyJ]

*walks in for the first time... joining the discussion* ^^

Daniel:
I think Daniel is the most developped character relationship-based. I loved how they played out the Sha're storyline. It was tragic, but believable (IMO). Although, I did find it a tiny bit too long, it was very good and it set something for this character, that loving someelse would be quite difficult. He had lived so many years searching and hoping he'd one day be able to hold his wife in his arms again.

Over the course of the show, as some have said, I paired him with Janet. They had a good chemistry and subtle (or not) moments between the two of them, if you knew where to look, that made me go "Awwwww". <3 (e.g Lifeboat) But I don't think Daniel really realized what was developping until it was too late.

Weirdly enough, I totally shipped Janet with Jack. There was really absolutely nothing to go on, but the scene in the Broca Divide where Jack is all diseased but he breaks through and asks Janet to use him as a test specimen and she gets all teary eyed and happy that he was in there (this moment) just made my inner fangirl squee.

I can totally see why someone would ship those two together. And I must admit, the thought had crossed my mind at first, I believe at the exact same moment you talked about. But then, the subsequent episodes proved me wrong and it didn't work for me anymore. But I can understand how they'd make a cute couple.

Vala:
I have a love-hate relationship with the whole Daniel/Vala arc (and Vala's realtionship in general I think). I still don't know if I liked it.

But I think I prefered Vala's relationship with Tomin. It was much more mature and controlled, IMO, and that's why I like it better. Daniel just seems like a girl crush for me, whereas Tomin would be someone she cared about (even if it took some time).

Ashizuri, I agree with your interpretation of Vala's absence in the third movie. It makes sense to me.

[Petra]

Add: Did you see anyone being good for Daniel?

I assume that the question was for me and I can still answer it?

Daniel (mostly)

Umm, yes and no. I have a soft spot for Daniel/Sha're (strong, smart Sha're from the movie and FIAD, not helpless, shy bimbo from CotG/Secrets). They are one of my favourite canon couples on any show. I loved their relationship and as much as I loved FIAD I regretted that she was killed off. I would have loved to see Daniel rescuing her and then them trying to deal with what happened to them together, to see how she changed and how Daniel would have coped with it and in turn how she would have coped with the man who, by mid-season 3, was very different from the man she'd left on Abydos and was changing even more with each following episode. Alas, it didn't happen.

So apart from Sha're, I could see him with pretty much every female on the show except Sam and Vala. I don't think I could have swallowed S/D 'ship under any circumstances, I find it so wrong on so many levels, LOL. D/V, as I mentioned previously, I could have accepted had they been written differently and additionally Vala got a chance to become a well-rounded character before being shipped with him. But we've been over that.

I must admit that I never saw Daniel/Janet ship on the show. Never, not even a hint. In the scenes in Rite of Passage, Lifeboat and Heroes that some see as shippy all I see is friendship (yes, I believe you can get deeply passionate/empathetic/depressed about saving, helping or death of a friend) and I don't see romantic chemistry between them. However, I don't have anything against that ship and if the show had gone down this road I wouldn't have minded. I could see them as a couple, but post-season 3 only.

Butting in here, but I would have loved to have seen more of Sabrina Gosling. She had crazy amounts of chemistry with MS in the one brief scene they had together. Also, if Atlantis had never happened, Jessica Steen's Weir had a lot of potential and I really enjoyed her interactions with Daniel.

Hmm, I don't recall any sparks flying (must rewatch) but Catherine's niece would have been a good choice. I agree about JS's Weir (interestingly, I could also see her with Jack... I'm so gonna get kicked out of S/J Ship Club ); TH's Elisabeth was too meek and agreeable for my taste. I could also see Daniel with Osiris-free Sarah.

Weirdly enough, Daniel is also the only SG-1 character I could see as being happy without any romantic relationship, just with his friends, books, and ever-lasting quest for knowledge.

*runs away to hide before other Daniel fans take out their pitchforks*

I think Vala is good for Daniel she brought passion back into his life which I haven't seen since Sha're

Which goes back to my previous questions to you and any D/V shippers. Do you think you could take a crack at them?

Janet

Weirdly enough, I totally shipped Janet with Jack. There was really absolutely nothing to go on, but the scene in the Broca Divide where Jack is all diseased but he breaks through and asks Janet to use him as a test specimen and she gets all teary eyed and happy that he was in there (this moment) just made my inner fangirl squee.

I could easily see Jack/Janet in the first 2 seasons (before I became S/J shipper ) and I believe that at the time Jack/Janet 'ship was seriously considered by TPTB. I recall some interview by RDA and/or the writers which basically said "watch out for it, it can happen". But eventually (and to my delight) TPTB decided to pair Jack with Sam. I still have a soft spot for J/J though (even if I would have prefered Jack/Kerry more)

As to the scene that clued me in on J/J, I'd point to the infirmary scene at the beginning of Fire and Water (coincidentally it's the same scene that foreshadowed Sam/Janet friendship). Janet was so...warm and understanding and patient with Jack and he seemed to want to open up to her for a moment...

Vala

And I really liked Vala with Tomin. In my personal canon that's why she's not going to be in the third film; she's left the SGC to help Tomin with victims of the Ori and they're growing closer...

That's my personal canon too

I liked Vala/Tomin best for both characters. I just thought their scenes together brought out all of Vala's best qualities. I could have seen Vala/Teal'c; and Vala/Cam or Vala/John(sga) could have been fun.(mostly for the character interaction)

Lol, I don't think I could ever see Teal'c/Vala. I like him too much with Ishta (or Drey'auc. Or Shan'ouc. T was very lucky to have interesting and fitting love interests IMO). John/Vala...no. Just no.

Vala/Cam on the other hand...I used to think they are totally incompatible, but I've come across a few fics which dealt with their possible relationship and made me look at them with fresh eyes and now I don't think it's so far out of realm of possibility. I could see them as a couple, properly written.

But then, I'm a canon girl and canon implied Cam got together with Amy.

But I think I prefered Vala's relationship with Tomin. It was much more mature and controlled, IMO, and that's why I like it better. Daniel just seems like a girl crush for me, whereas Tomin would be someone she cared about (even if it took some time).

Very well said. Vala/Tomin is another of my favourite 'ships on SG-1. I absolutely agree that they bring the best in each other and they give off this mature, serious vibe which I adore. They are equals, they've both been hurt and did some pretty awful things but at the end of the day they can forgive and are able to accept each other. I don't think that over the course of the series Vala was in love with Tomin, but I think she did love him and given time - post series - she could fall for him romantically as well. At least I like to think so.

I also think you are spot on with Vala having a crush on Daniel. He's handsome, nice, smart, he believes in her and gives her a chance to straighten up - which girl wouldn't crush on such guy? But I don't think that either one of them has any deep (romantic) feelings for the other and over time they'd realise it too.

[Linda06]

Over the course of the show, as some have said, I paired him with Janet. They had a good chemistry and subtle (or not) moments between the two of them, if you knew where to look, that made me go "Awwwww". <3 (e.g Lifeboat) But I don't think Daniel really realized what was developping until it was too late.


I can totally see why someone would ship those two together. And I must admit, the thought had crossed my mind at first, I believe at the exact same moment you talked about. But then, the subsequent episodes proved me wrong and it didn't work for me anymore. But I can understand how they'd make a cute couple.

Okay I reeeeeeeeeeeaaly need to go watch SG-1 again. I've heard about the subtle moments between Daniel/Janet but I must have missed them (well i'm not a very observant person usually ). Maybe someone could tell me a few places to look I miss Janet

[Southern Red]

I was at best a casual viewer of SG-1. I only watched most of the episodes once or twice and sometimes read while my husband watched and looked up occasionally for the humor. So from that perspective I can say the only possible ship I see for anybody were the most obvious and established. Daniel with his wife...I don't remember any other women in his life. LOL Jack and Sam but only in a subtle they like each other but it can never happen way. Teal'c and his wife plus what's her name who used to be on Star Trek. (told you I was a casual viewer) And finally Daniel/Vala but not in a good way. I started paying more attention when Ben and Claudia arrived because I love them from Farscape and I think they livened things up. (Please don't kill me.) It would have been a bad idea to ship them however. I always felt like Vala's obsession with Daniel was a bit OTT and wouldn't go anywhere and was very annoyed at him in the one where they lived a long time and he was so mean to her. I loved her when she was feisty and didn't want her to be serious. I wasn't quite sure what to make of Tomin and never thought that would last. Not because it wouldn't have been good but because I know TPTB and how they operate.

So there you have SG-1 from a very casual viewer.

It was only with SGA that I became the crazed shipper I am today. I've always looked at shipping several ways.

1. You see that a couple is going to be paired and go along with it.
2. You want a couple to be together and hope for it.
3. You know a couple will never be together but can see little hints that it would work.
4. You know a couple would never be paired in a million years but wouldn't it be great if they were.

All these ways work on different levels IMHO and if we're honest with ourselves we can see the possibilities. The intent of the writers is not always clear on screen and editing further muddies the waters so all these shipping scenarios are valid.

[KEK]

Eventually everyone will realise that Cam has been banging Sam for some time now. Tru dat.

[Anuna]

Eventually everyone will realise that Cam has been banging Sam for some time now. Tru dat.

LOL.

On a more serious note, I can see Cam and Sam together. Despite gazillion Sam/Jack hints over the course of ten seasons, somehow I lost the passion for this pairing. back in the season 3 and beginning of season 4 they were interesting, but then PTB decided to drag the "will they, won't they" forever and I just lost interest. I am aware that this is a quite unpopular opinion within the fandom, but what can I do. Personal tastes tend to be weird. I just don't see any sexual chemistry between Sam and Jack.

I can imagine Jack and Janet easily together, but I prefer Daniel/Janet much more. Of course, one can say you can grieve over a friend and care for one very deeply, but for some reason I can easily picture them as a pair.

The reason why I didn't fall madly in love with daniel/Vala lies probably in the fact that Daniel had changed so much, but IMO not in a way that made him better. I prefered him with bit of innocence, curious, willing to learn and give his best try to understand the complexity of universe and relationships. That's what I liked best about Daniel and I have a feeling that he lost almost all of that by the season 9. I have a feeling that the writers got tired of writing for old regulars, and when Mitchell and vala joined the show, to me it felt like a breath of fresh air. While that was probably an attempt to attract more audience, since Ben Brtowder and Claudia Black came from very popular "Farscape", I still loved their characters in Stargate. God, how I would have loved if Mitchell was paired with Vala - not because of Chricton and Aeryn, but because they were both new, interesting and exciting to watch.

Also, count me in as a fan of Vala's more serious moments on the show. The moment in "Crusade", when she says that part of her was hoping her baby didn't survive when she was held captive, and Mitchell answered "It's kind of surprising a part of you was hoping it did." is probably one of my ten favorite moments/scenes in the entire SG -1.

As Southern Red mentioned, there are several ways to approach the shipping and why people ship certain characters. many of the ships I enjoy fall under the category "I know it won't happen, but wouldn't it be great if it happened". I enjoy every scene they share, like the one I mentioned for Vala and Mitchell. I know it can be seen as friendship too, but I love the freedom of interpretation, it's so much fun.

[Linda06]

LOL.

On a more serious note, I can see Cam and Sam together. Despite gazillion Sam/Jack hints over the course of ten seasons, somehow I lost the passion for this pairing. back in the season 3 and beginning of season 4 they were interesting, but then PTB decided to drag the "will they, won't they" forever and I just lost interest. I am aware that this is a quite unpopular opinion within the fandom, but what can I do. Personal tastes tend to be weird. I just don't see any sexual chemistry between Sam and Jack.

I can imagine Jack and Janet easily together, but I prefer Daniel/Janet much more. Of course, one can say you can grieve over a friend and care for one very deeply, but for some reason I can easily picture them as a pair.

The reason why I didn't fall madly in love with daniel/Vala lies probably in the fact that Daniel had changed so much, but IMO not in a way that made him better. I prefered him with bit of innocence, curious, willing to learn and give his best try to understand the complexity of universe and relationships. That's what I liked best about Daniel and I have a feeling that he lost almost all of that by the season 9. I have a feeling that the writers got tired of writing for old regulars, and when Mitchell and vala joined the show, to me it felt like a breath of fresh air. While that was probably an attempt to attract more audience, since Ben Brtowder and Claudia Black came from very popular "Farscape", I still loved their characters in Stargate. God, how I would have loved if Mitchell was paired with Vala - not because of Chricton and Aeryn, but because they were both new, interesting and exciting to watch.

Also, count me in as a fan of Vala's more serious moments on the show. The moment in "Crusade", when she says that part of her was hoping her baby didn't survive when she was held captive, and Mitchell answered "It's kind of surprising a part of you was hoping it did." is probably one of my ten favorite moments/scenes in the entire SG -1.

As Southern Red mentioned, there are several ways to approach the shipping and why people ship certain characters. many of the ships I enjoy fall under the category "I know it won't happen, but wouldn't it be great if it happened". I enjoy every scene they share, like the one I mentioned for Vala and Mitchell. I know it can be seen as friendship too, but I love the freedom of interpretation, it's so much fun.

IMO the "will they/won't they" is good.....Up to a point. But do it too long and it can ruin the ship. Case in point Mulder/Scully, and to a lesser extent Bones/Booth (it's not ruined yet IMO but it is getting rather tiresome). IMO that is. You (not you you, general you ) can write they will tthey/won't they but it has to at least keep moving forward, continue developing and eventually have a resolution at the end of it. But do it for literally years without it seemingly going forward and you risk turning it into a farce that most people eventually lose interest in and don't care when they do eventually get together *shrugs*

One ship that did work very well after years of development from acquaintances to friends to best friends to eventual lovers is Odo/Kira. IMO it's one of the best written ships on TV

Well that's my take on it, not fact or anything

And I have no idea if that even made sense

[Southern Red]

IMO the "will they/won't they" is good.....Up to a point. But do it too long and it can ruin the ship. Case in point Mulder/Scully, and to a lesser extent Bones/Booth (it's not ruined yet IMO but it is getting rather tiresome). IMO that is. You (not you you, general you ) can write they will tthey/won't they but it has to at least keep moving forward, continue developing and eventually have a resolution at the end of it. But do it for literally years without it seemingly going forward and you risk turning it into a farce that most people eventually lose interest in and don't care when they do eventually get together *shrugs*

One ship that did work very well after years of development from acquaintances to friends to best friends to eventual lovers is Odo/Kira. IMO it's one of the best written ships on TV

Well that's my take on it, not fact or anything

And I have no idea if that even made sense

That makes great sense and ITA. I was crazy about Mulder/Scully for years and then just completely lost interest to the point where I don't even remember how the show ended. LOL

And this season of Bones is starting to feel almost the same. I'm at the "yeah, whatever" stage with them right now. Castle is my new fave because it's new and fresh but I fully expect them to muck that one up too.

Why, oh why can't someone come around and do what they did with Sheridan/Delenn? Even though I never saw any UST with them it was still a good well developed relationship. Not every ship has to be smokin' hot. In fact I'd rather they weren't because those tend to burn themselves out to the oh, now they have to talk....er...uh....stage.

They sort of wrote themselves into a corner with Sam/Jack with the USAF regs, but there was no reason they couldn't have gotten them together when he retired.

[Linda06]

That makes great sense and ITA. I was crazy about Mulder/Scully for years and then just completely lost interest to the point where I don't even remember how the show ended. LOL

And this season of Bones is starting to feel almost the same. I'm at the "yeah, whatever" stage with them right now. Castle is my new fave because it's new and fresh but I fully expect them to muck that one up too.

Why, oh why can't someone come around and do what they did with Sheridan/Delenn? Even though I never saw any UST with them it was still a good well developed relationship. Not every ship has to be smokin' hot. In fact I'd rather they weren't because those tend to burn themselves out to the oh, now they have to talk....er...uh....stage.

They sort of wrote themselves into a corner with Sam/Jack with the USAF regs, but there was no reason they couldn't have gotten them together when he retired.

I can't remember how it ended either

And I'm at the same stage as you with Bones/Booth. Like I sadi, the "will they/won't they" is okay but you can't keep it up for literally years without it moving forward or people do get bored with it.

Yes, Sheridan/Delenn is a prime example, even though I didn't ship them myself it didn't actually bother me because they did have a good understanding. Another good example of a relationship that is mature and well written and doesn't have to be smokin' hot to work is in "white collar" with Peter and Elizabeth. A husband/wife and doesn't end up all soap operaish and doesn't end up with numerous objects thrown at them to test their relationship. It's actually quite a refreshing change

They did have opportunities to finally get Sam/Jack together but they liked yanking our chains too much so they kept it going indefinitely

[LadyGalaxyJ]

I must admit that I never saw Daniel/Janet ship on the show. Never, not even a hint. In the scenes in Rite of Passage, Lifeboat and Heroes that some see as shippy all I see is friendship (yes, I believe you can get deeply passionate/empathetic/depressed about saving, helping or death of a friend) and I don't see romantic chemistry between them. However, I don't have anything against that ship and if the show had gone down this road I wouldn't have minded. I could see them as a couple, but post-season 3 only.

I don't even see them together until much more later. For me, it happens after Daniel came back from ascension, and not before, wich doesn't give them much time together, but that's how I see it. : )

Okay I reeeeeeeeeeeaaly need to go watch SG-1 again. I've heard about the subtle moments between Daniel/Janet but I must have missed them (well i'm not a very observant person usually ). Maybe someone could tell me a few places to look I miss Janet

Go ask on the Dan/Jan Shipper Thread in SG1 Characters and Relationship. You'll probably have more answer there. ;DD
But I can tell you my personnal favorite for Dan/Jan is Lifeboat.

On a more serious note, I can see Cam and Sam together. Despite gazillion Sam/Jack hints over the course of ten seasons, somehow I lost the passion for this pairing. back in the season 3 and beginning of season 4 they were interesting, but then PTB decided to drag the "will they, won't they" forever and I just lost interest. I am aware that this is a quite unpopular opinion within the fandom, but what can I do. Personal tastes tend to be weird. I just don't see any sexual chemistry between Sam and Jack.

I understand how you (general) could see Sam/Cam in the last two seasons. Honestly, hadn't the first 8 years happened, I probably would have gone with that pairing. But I never lost interest in Sam/Jack, so I was too much of an S/J shipper for that when I saw s9 and 10. ; )

One ship that did work very well after years of development from acquaintances to friends to best friends to eventual lovers is Odo/Kira. IMO it's one of the best written ships on TV

Absolutely! Hands down. Couldn't agree with you more.

Their story is incredible and I never felt like the writers rushed it. They went where they needed to go and dealt with the consequences later. I think my feelings towards that ship developped almost at the same time as the feelings between the two characters. IMO, that's one the things that makes this ship so well written.

[Linda06]

Go ask on the Dan/Jan Shipper Thread in SG1 Characters and Relationship. You'll probably have more answer there. ;DD
But I can tell you my personnal favorite for Dan/Jan is Lifeboat.

good idea. I might just do that Oh I remember Lifeboat, that's the one where multiple personalities kidnapped Daniels body, right?

I understand how you (general) could see Sam/Cam in the last two seasons. Honestly, hadn't the first 8 years happened, I probably would have gone with that pairing. But I never lost interest in Sam/Jack, so I was too much of an S/J shipper for that when I saw s9 and 10. ; )

huh, I didn't see anything shippy between Sam/Cam. I saw nothing but friendship there *shrugs* Maybe if I didn't already know that Sam was in love with Jack I'd have seen something. Just goes to show how we all perceive things.

Absolutely! Hands down. Couldn't agree with you more.

Their story is incredible and I never felt like the writers rushed it. They went where they needed to go and dealt with the consequences later. I think my feelings towards that ship developped almost at the same time as the feelings between the two characters. IMO, that's one the things that makes this ship so well written.

It was such a well written. well executed ship that IMO no other ship can even come close. I did think it was a little long in coming but overall I was satisfied with it. We even got a whole season after they got together. It wasn't a case of "oh they're together now...The End" like it normally is I liked how Odo dealt with it, he was patient, supportive when it came to Kira but in the end he got his reward A lot of shows could learn a thing or two about relationships not only from how they done Kira/Odo, but in DS9 in general.