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  • SnoggingPicard
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    Originally posted by Whistler84
    argh! You nailed exactly why I didn't like 'Suspicion.' Looking back at it, it doesn't feel quite right in terms of character voice and development. I know, for specifically Teyla and Weir interaction, it's a good example, but I rather show a good episode that will catch some interest in my class, than one that serves the purpose of 'Females interacting together.'

    I loved the Gift, but I'm avoiding that episode for the same reasons I'm avoiding 'Before I Sleep.' It focuses too much on one character, and I want (perhaps unrealistically) an episode that has good roles for both of them. Maybe I have to rewatch the Gift and focus on Weir for a change, because I cleary think only about Teyla in regards to that ep. I don't remember Weir much at all in the 'Gift,' even with her 'leadership-decision-making' scenes. I was too busy soaking up Teyla.

    Perhaps I should splice two episodes together? The Gift and Before I Sleep? Get the best of both worlds by just highlighting the main points. Tricky!!! Hmmm . . . until then, keep the suggestions coming!
    That was actually my next suggestion. Maybe show the best fifteen to twenty minutes of each character from two separate episodes. It's not perfect, but you'll really be able to pick and choose what sorts of things you want to show the class.

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  • Whistler84
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    Originally posted by SnoggingPicard
    "Hathor" is probably the best that you'll be able to do for Sg-1 since it does have both Carter and Frasier in really great roles. Vala...I don't know. I'm not a fan of her at all, so I don't even pay attention when she's on screen half the time. Maybe it was her lounging about the infirmary in her lingerie that turned me off...anyway, I'm not sure what you'd do for her.

    For Atlantis, I think I'd have to go with "The Gift" or "Suspicion". "The Gift" is a wonderful, wonderful episode for Teyla and like someone mentioned earlier, it does have okay Weir stuff as well -- the difficult decisions she has to make regarding Atlantis and those under her, her interactions with Shep and Teyla. You're right, it's hard to get the two of these together in an episode that does both of them justice. I know you don't like "Suspicion", but that might be your best bet. I think one of the reasons that it isn't my favorite as well is just because it is such an early show and the characters aren't as well-developed yet. Also, Weir's interaction with Bates got under my skin a bit, but that does have Weir and Teyla directly interacting -- quite rare for the series.
    argh! You nailed exactly why I didn't like 'Suspicion.' Looking back at it, it doesn't feel quite right in terms of character voice and development. I know, for specifically Teyla and Weir interaction, it's a good example, but I rather show a good episode that will catch some interest in my class, than one that serves the purpose of 'Females interacting together.'

    I loved the Gift, but I'm avoiding that episode for the same reasons I'm avoiding 'Before I Sleep.' It focuses too much on one character, and I want (perhaps unrealistically) an episode that has good roles for both of them. Maybe I have to rewatch the Gift and focus on Weir for a change, because I cleary think only about Teyla in regards to that ep. I don't remember Weir much at all in the 'Gift,' even with her 'leadership-decision-making' scenes. I was too busy soaking up Teyla.

    Perhaps I should splice two episodes together? The Gift and Before I Sleep? Get the best of both worlds by just highlighting the main points. Tricky!!! Hmmm . . . until then, keep the suggestions coming!

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  • SnoggingPicard
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    "Hathor" is probably the best that you'll be able to do for Sg-1 since it does have both Carter and Frasier in really great roles. Vala...I don't know. I'm not a fan of her at all, so I don't even pay attention when she's on screen half the time. Maybe it was her lounging about the infirmary in her lingerie that turned me off...anyway, I'm not sure what you'd do for her.

    For Atlantis, I think I'd have to go with "The Gift" or "Suspicion". "The Gift" is a wonderful, wonderful episode for Teyla and like someone mentioned earlier, it does have okay Weir stuff as well -- the difficult decisions she has to make regarding Atlantis and those under her, her interactions with Shep and Teyla. You're right, it's hard to get the two of these together in an episode that does both of them justice. I know you don't like "Suspicion", but that might be your best bet. I think one of the reasons that it isn't my favorite as well is just because it is such an early show and the characters aren't as well-developed yet. Also, Weir's interaction with Bates got under my skin a bit, but that does have Weir and Teyla directly interacting -- quite rare for the series.

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  • xkawaiix
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    No, I don't think that Weir had a big roll in it either.

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  • Whistler84
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    Originally posted by Purpleyin
    Obviously there is no solution to that problem of not having all 3 women, though you could do a condensed clip show for Vala maybe, or a music vid...? Er, or not.

    Only other episode I could suggest would be emancipation, but I know alot of people don't like that. Really Hathor sounds like the best one to me.

    Shame you can't show Rising... but condensing that into 40 minutes would be even more of a nightmare. I think The Gift has enough Weir in the merit showing, and I never felt LFP showed Teyla in a bad light, just that she had the guts to question her faith in Sheppard and his judgement/priorities.

    When is this class happening? Because it's possible one of the upcoming episodes might be good, like The Long Goodbye. Otherwise, what about The Eye - shows Elizabeth well and it does have Teyla coming to the rescue, not so much character but still good for both - and although it's the second of a 2 parter it does have a recap for the first part so it might not be that confusing at all.
    The class will start in Janurary, and all I'm doing right now is prep work. The adminstration wants this planned so they know you're not just 'foolin' around' in the class all semester long . . . I think I'm tentatively schedualing these two Stargate class for around beginning of Febuary (near my birthday - Feb. 8. A gift to myself!)

    And as for Teyla in 'Letters from Pegases,' I liked her in that episode, and never really got the problem most people had with her in that episode. But I am aware that people thought she was rude and disrespectful and etc . . . But I didn't get that at all.

    Anyway, so far I'm getting a concensus for Hathor and the Gift. Hmmm . . . I have to rewatch the Gift for better recollection, because I always focus so much on Teyla-development in that episode that I don't really remember how big a role Weir has. Anybody care to feel me in?

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  • Purpleyin
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    Originally posted by Whistler84
    okay, question. I'm splitting SG-1 and SGA into two days worth of discussion in my class.

    Day one - SG-1. I'll be talking about Sam, Vala, and yes, even Fraiser (you can thank NotAscended for that.) It'll be a 40 min discussion, with 40 minutes at the end dedicated to media. But I need an episode of SG-1 to air during that time, and I was thinking the episode "Hathor," which, if my recollection is correct, is when all the men of SGC are under the spell of Hathor, and Sam and Fraiser have to save the day. I'll have to do some editing for timing issues, but I should be able to play most of that episode.
    Obviously there is no solution to that problem of not having all 3 women, though you could do a condensed clip show for Vala maybe, or a music vid...? Er, or not.

    Only other episode I could suggest would be emancipation, but I know alot of people don't like that. Really Hathor sounds like the best one to me.
    Originally posted by Whistler84
    For SGA, another bind. Here's a question that's always got me in a pickle - WHY DO THE PTB FEEL IT NECESSARY TO DISTANCE THE TWO FEMALE CHARACTERS FROM EACH OTHER???

    I've been looking for an episode where it shows plenty of both Weir and Teyla, but it's difficult. My first thought was 'Suspicion,' because that's the first (and practically only) time that we have interaction between these two women. However, I'm not a fan of that episode, and would much prefer to show an episode that doesn't put me to sleep. So, then I though, 'Before I Sleep' - Great Weir ep, but PROBLEM, no Teyla. Then I thought 'The Gift' - Good Teyla ep, but Weir doesn't have a big part. Then I thought 'Trinity' - but I don't like that episode either. So, then I thought 'Letters from Pegasis' with has plenty of Weir and Teyla right? Not to mention its a clip show, so newcomers in my class will have an easy time following. But, I think, some people really disliked Teyla in that episode . . . So, I'm kinda confused.

    Suggestions, people? Help!!! I'll take suggestions for both shows, and then put up a poll. You can vote for whichever episode you think I should air. Thanks!
    Shame you can't show Rising... but condensing that into 40 minutes would be even more of a nightmare. I think The Gift has enough Weir in the merit showing, and I never felt LFP showed Teyla in a bad light, just that she had the guts to question her faith in Sheppard and his judgement/priorities.

    When is this class happening? Because it's possible one of the upcoming episodes might be good, like The Long Goodbye. Otherwise, what about The Eye - shows Elizabeth well and it does have Teyla coming to the rescue, not so much character but still good for both - and although it's the second of a 2 parter it does have a recap for the first part so it might not be that confusing at all.

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  • xkawaiix
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    I have no idea. Maybe someone could make a music video? Or you could maybe take snips of the characters alone. For example, Janet had a big episode in The Broca Divide. Then you could show snips of Sam and her as Major/Colonel Carter and another as just plain old Sam. And Vala could have snips of her seducing men to do her bidding. And For Weir and Teyla the same.

    Maybe you should just show Hathor anyway. Hathor was an episode which showed GIRL!Power while the boys were over there with the Goddess of rock, sex, and... something else. Just a suggestion.

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  • majortrip
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    I think "Hathor" is an excellent choice for the SG-1 section. Not only does it depict Sam and Janet working together to save the menfolk, it also shows them sharing the tribulations of being a female office surrounded by men. I personally don't think Vala is an important part of SG-1.

    I think "The Gift" would be nice for SGA. It has a lot of Teyla background and shows her concern for how people see her as an alien on the base and how her own people feel about her. Also, I think Weir has an important part in this episode, as it shows how she contributes her knowledge to the deciphering mysteries in Pegasus AND the uncomfortable decisions she is forced to make as leader of the expedition.

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  • Whistler84
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    okay, question. I'm splitting SG-1 and SGA into two days worth of discussion in my class.

    Day one - SG-1. I'll be talking about Sam, Vala, and yes, even Fraiser (you can thank NotAscended for that.) It'll be a 40 min discussion, with 40 minutes at the end dedicated to media. But I need an episode of SG-1 to air during that time, and I was thinking the episode "Hathor," which, if my recollection is correct, is when all the men of SGC are under the spell of Hathor, and Sam and Fraiser have to save the day. I'll have to do some editing for timing issues, but I should be able to play most of that episode.

    Problem is, there's no Vala in that one, and for people in my class unfamiliar with her character, they'll be at a disadvantage in regards to her character. Of course, the episodes *with* Vala have very little of Sam and absolutely none of Fraiser, so I think I'm in a bit of a bind. Does anybody have any better suggestions for an episode to watch? Something besides Hathor? I know it's inconcievable to have an episode with all three women, but if you have any suggestions or preferences for any one episode, I'm all ears.

    For SGA, another bind. Here's a question that's always got me in a pickle - WHY DO THE PTB FEEL IT NECESSARY TO DISTANCE THE TWO FEMALE CHARACTERS FROM EACH OTHER???

    I've been looking for an episode where it shows plenty of both Weir and Teyla, but it's difficult. My first thought was 'Suspicion,' because that's the first (and practically only) time that we have interaction between these two women. However, I'm not a fan of that episode, and would much prefer to show an episode that doesn't put me to sleep. So, then I though, 'Before I Sleep' - Great Weir ep, but PROBLEM, no Teyla. Then I thought 'The Gift' - Good Teyla ep, but Weir doesn't have a big part. Then I thought 'Trinity' - but I don't like that episode either. So, then I thought 'Letters from Pegasis' with has plenty of Weir and Teyla right? Not to mention its a clip show, so newcomers in my class will have an easy time following. But, I think, some people really disliked Teyla in that episode . . . So, I'm kinda confused.

    Suggestions, people? Help!!! I'll take suggestions for both shows, and then put up a poll. You can vote for whichever episode you think I should air. Thanks!

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  • Whistler84
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    I'm sorry I haven't been around much lately, but it's a general overload of work thing that's keeping me busy. I'll try to start posting in GW again sometime tomorrow, and especially in this thread with an update about my class. Sorry for the lapse in activity guys.

    But don't I get an excused absense, what with being the instructor and all?

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  • xkawaiix
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    Okay, I'm think I'm going to give a shot at Sam.

    When she came to the SGC, she tried hard to make her self seem equal; to seem as one of the guys. To act tough and be a soldier. But, she has also shown a motherly love like in Singularity (sp?) where she had grown attached to Cassy and refused to let her die alone. And her smarts. She's definately a genius no doubt. And spunky. And strong. She's also a lady looking for love... even though a lot of her men die... even though I have no clue as to why she would search when he's right there! Well, tecnically he's in DC now.

    Anyway, to sum this short paragraph, Samantha Carter was first a soldier fighting for equality, saying "Hey, I can't be smart, and spunky at the same time." Then as time passed, she started to drop her guard a bit more and showed more of a feminine side. She showed that she's a soldier but not a robot! That she has a motherly love inside her, that she's caring, she gets concered, she cries, and she, like everyone else, is searching for that special someone. So, in a way, Sam's like an eveyday person with an extraordinary and extremely dangerous job.

    They're all pretty much like everyday women with very important roles. Look as Master and Commander or whatever show has the woman as president. Some men think that because we're women, we can't lead a nation... or we can't lead at all! Some men think that because we're woman, our humanity and caring nature is a disadvantage! Maybe it's not, maybe it helps us see what's happening in someone elses shoes and there for, makes us want to do something about it! Maybe it's our advantage, maybe it's our weakness, maybe it's both.

    Scifi women have the gift of proving the people who think like that wrong. We can too lead a nation!
    -pouts-

    ... well that was a lot longer than I thought. Maybe I'm just over looking all of this or... or thinking too hard?

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  • SnoggingPicard
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    Whistler -- thought I'd pop in and say hi on your thread. Miss you and I hope everything's going well with your class. Keep us updated, kiddo!

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  • srg
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    I'm sure there are some whacky places in the US you could get degrees on this sort of thing. I'm sure I remember a guy getting a degree in star trek or something like that.

    srg

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  • Jeyla4ever
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    What...I found this all the way on page 6...this is too interesting to be way down there...
    I've already answer the question so...
    let's see...anyone else want to try it...

    Teyla is beautiful...(Joe Flannigan called her in the Rising DVD Ravishing Rachel)
    Weir is okay...she does have beautiful eyes....
    Sam is alright....strong, smart and attractive
    Janet is distinctively beautiful....intelligent, caring and elegant

    That is just my opinion....

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  • wikeja
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    IMO, Weir is captivatingly bea-u-ti-ful. I could look into those eyes forev....'til Stargate Infinity.
    Come on, she's got great eyes, ya gotta admit.
    I think Lexa Doig is drop dead gorgeous. Teyla is exotic and mysterious but I like her more based on character than appearance.
    Sam is a hotty sometimes and other times plain Jane.

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