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    Taboo question: What naqahdah and naqahdria are exactly?

    Put simlpy, those materials output amounts of energy that completely exceed what even reasonable densities of antimatter can do, by several orders of magnitude.

    At some time, people talk about a crystaline nature or something, I can't remember, but that doesn't explain much.

    So what's the most trendy technobabbled hypothesis in the clubs right now?
    Last edited by Mister Oragahn; 31 July 2007, 08:08 PM.
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    #2
    A heavy metal element with an atomic number higher than 200 probably, extremely dense so that a single brick maybe more than 300 ilbs. Naquadriah is either a different isotope or a new element with an even higher atomic number.
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      #3
      Im 99% sure Naqudria is an isotope.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
        So what's the most trendy technobabbled hypothesis in the clubs right now?
        I'm not sure if it's canon, but some speculated that it is energized by neutrinos.

        I'm guessing the element the asgard use - neutronium. also has a similar property and actually gets its name from its interaction with neutrinos, not the actual neutron matter that we call neutronium (which can not exist in atmospheric pressures).

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          #5
          I dunno. It probably is something like:

          "the crystalline structure of Naqahdah allows it to access subspace energy nodes"

          or some such stupid explanation. That is wild speculation of course.

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            #6
            See, a gatebuster, by the time of First Strike, can be as small as a sidewinder.

            Since the lowest estimated yield is 812 gigatons, it would require 18901.3 kg of antimatter to obtain that much energy.
            That said, due to neutrino waste (60%), you'd need 47253.25 kg of antimatter, and a perfect reaction, to obtain 812 gigatons of destructive energy.
            More than 47 tonnes of antimatter.

            So we're obviously looking at a material that is dense, sure, but which has a very exotic effect attached to it.

            Are we going to think about those exotic particles that throw the laws of physics, so E=mc² has no real use here?
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              #7
              Originally posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
              See, a gatebuster, by the time of First Strike, can be as small as a sidewinder.
              A sidewinder missile has a 12.7 cm (5 inch) diameter. The warheads in the horizon platform were about the same size as a MIRV found in a Trident missile, which are approximately .75 meters in diameter at the base and 2 meters tall.

              Originally posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
              Since the lowest estimated yield is 812 gigatons, it would require 18901.3 kg of antimatter to obtain that much energy.
              That said, due to neutrino waste (60%), you'd need 47253.25 kg of antimatter, and a perfect reaction, to obtain 812 gigatons of destructive energy.
              More than 47 tonnes of antimatter.
              Yeah, the math certainly doesn't add up. I mean, that's equivalent to more anti-matter than has been created by humanity.

              Originally posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
              So we're obviously looking at a material that is dense, sure, but which has a very exotic effect attached to it.

              Are we going to think about those exotic particles that throw the laws of physics, so E=mc² has no real use here?
              It's not like the writers/producers have a science adviser to tell them when they're dead wrong regarding physics, though they should. They have an Airforce adviser so they get the military aspects of the show correct (for the most part), so a science adviser on a science fiction show would make a lot of sense.

              Lets just call it 'bad physics'.
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                #8
                You do realize that E=MC^2 would yield a huge energy amount that probably exceeds whatever small amount of energy is required to vaporise a planet. One gigaton equals 4.184*10^18 joules or 4.18 exajoules. An object of only 100 Kg if perfectly converted into energy yields 8.98*10^18 or 8.98 Exajoules. Assuming, more than one hundred kilograms of material are used, you're talking about a huge amount of energy even when factoring in the inefficiencies.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Zatnikitelman View Post
                  You do realize that E=MC^2 would yield a huge energy amount that probably exceeds whatever small amount of energy is required to vaporise a planet.
                  I recall from a physics class that got out of hand that vapourizing a planet the size of Earth would take about 50 million gigatons. EDIT: Assuming I did this right, using your numbers for how much energy is released in one gigaton of TNT, it would mean you'd need about 230 thousand gigatonnes of Antimatter to vapourize a planet, assuming a perfect reaction, and a perfect energy transfer. I think. Planets are freaking huge things, and they don't like to be torn apart.

                  Well, assuming by vapouring you mean "overcoming the overall gravitational bonding energy of the planet as a whole". I don't think that would actually vapourize it, more like blow it into more manageable chunks.

                  Originally posted by Jarnin View Post
                  Yeah, the math certainly doesn't add up. I mean, that's equivalent to more anti-matter than has been created by humanity.
                  Are you crazy? We haven't even managed to create and stabilize a nanogram of antimatter, never mind 47 tonnes worth.
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                    #10
                    Now see, why do you care about this kind of stuff, if you can do these kind of calculations why are you using them to question the methods of 'writers' who aren't going to specialise in that kind of thing? Instead of using your ability for this evil, you should be using it to help the world. I can't really think of any specific ways right now, but I'm sure there are some practical situations where mathematics are useful.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gopher65 View Post
                      Are you crazy? We haven't even managed to create and stabilize a nanogram of antimatter, never mind 47 tonnes worth.
                      Isn't that what I said?
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Salas1 View Post
                        Now see, why do you care about this kind of stuff, if you can do these kind of calculations why are you using them to question the methods of 'writers' who aren't going to specialise in that kind of thing? Instead of using your ability for this evil, you should be using it to help the world. I can't really think of any specific ways right now, but I'm sure there are some practical situations where mathematics are useful.
                        1)I know that the writers don't specialize in this sort of thing. I just wish they'd hire someone, even someone like us, part time to do this kind of thing for them. Honestly, I wouldn't require much more than minimum wage. 10 dollars an hour and I'm good (and benefits). I'm sure that fans who are in a better financial situation than me would be willing to do it for free.

                        2) I have come across a handful of situations in real life where trig or geometry were useful, 2 situations where I needed to use very simple algebra, and none where calculus would be of any help whatsoever. Everything else was either addition/subtraction or multiplication/division. Really as long as you can add and subtract on your fingers you are set for life unless you get a job in an engineering, analyst, or science capacity. Which I don't have, and likely never will.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jarnin View Post
                          Isn't that what I said?
                          yeah, I guess that's what you said.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jarnin View Post
                            A sidewinder missile has a 12.7 cm (5 inch) diameter. The warheads in the horizon platform were about the same size as a MIRV found in a Trident missile, which are approximately .75 meters in diameter at the base and 2 meters tall.
                            I think you got things mixed up. The warheads are inside the MIRV. They can't be of the size of the MIRV.

                            Check out the AIM-9M's size.

                            Then consider those pictures:
                            Hanging down the roof, we can see the 6 gatebusters and 4 decoys sticking out of the Horizon MIRV.
                            The Horizon platform, ready for launch.. Check out the storing racks at the back of the room, and you'll get a nice idea of the size of those things. They are really that small now.
                            They open the ventral hatch.
                            A look at the size of the windows.
                            Side view ofthe Horizon.
                            We can see the 10 heads. Useful to estimate their width with precision.


                            Yeah, the math certainly doesn't add up. I mean, that's equivalent to more anti-matter than has been created by humanity.

                            It's not like the writers/producers have a science adviser to tell them when they're dead wrong regarding physics, though they should. They have an Airforce adviser so they get the military aspects of the show correct (for the most part), so a science adviser on a science fiction show would make a lot of sense.

                            Lets just call it 'bad physics'.
                            Huh, "bad physics" about two key elements that are behind everything about Stargate.
                            I would not shrugg it off like if it was a mistake in a filler episode.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
                              I think you got things mixed up. The warheads are inside the MIRV. They can't be of the size of the MIRV.
                              I considered the Horizon as the launch vehicle, since it has the propulsion system, and the MIRVs to be the warheads inside.

                              Originally posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
                              Huh, "bad physics" about two key elements that are behind everything about Stargate.
                              What two key elements? Special effects that don't take reality and science into consideration? I mean you already did the math, right? Your conclusion was that the Horizon cannot operate as advertised.

                              So it's either bad physics, or it's bad special effects (that looked really cool).

                              Originally posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
                              I would not shrugg it off like if it was a mistake in a filler episode.
                              Unless someone can make sense of the math, to explain how such a device can be be made so compact, then there's no other option.
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                              1. As a StarGate discussion grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning the Furlings approaches one.

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