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GateWorld
April 28th, 2019, 01:48 PM
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Skydiver
May 19th, 2019, 07:28 PM
So, Jon kills Dany - which really had to happen. Grey Worm is loyal beyond the end. Tyrion survives, we have confirmation that Cersei and Jamie are dead. Drogon takes his queen and heads off to parts unknown.

Jon gets send to the watch, and seems to say poo on that and goes with the wildlings. Arya takes off for her alleged spin off, Sansa is queen of the north, Sam is finally a maester, Bronn on the small council- now that is scary. But Brienne will hopefully keep him on a leash. And Bran is king of the six kingdoms. While they all agree to elect future kings - yeah donít see any future problems with that.

Gotta say, after Danyís death the rest seems like a really long epilogue.

No real wow moments, just a closing of plot threads and a set up of any spin offs.

Chaka-Z0
May 19th, 2019, 10:11 PM
The moment I saw Podrick in the Kingsguard I just lost it, thanks for the laugh.

Apart from the episode's highlight mentioned above, I bet the Ghost reunion was a setup to somehow get people on board with this episode.

I wish this series got cancelled instead of getting butchered in 6 strokes.

Teddybrown
May 19th, 2019, 11:36 PM
This is going to be a real marmite epsode, or tbh the season, either you love it or hate it...

Ive never tried marmite so Im in the middle, like with this episode haha!

Glad Jon finally came to his senses and killed Dany, Drogon melting the Iron Throne was nice. Bran as king, didnt see that coming but guessed Sansa would end up Queen of the North. The council scene at the end was a good callback, havent had one of those in a while but the members lol. Jamie finally got his book entry.

Arya sounds like its screaming spinoff, but we'll see...

Platschu
May 20th, 2019, 02:26 AM
This was easily the worst series finale ever. Simple, lazy, boring, unlogical, injustice. GoT would have deserved better. :(

lopo30
May 20th, 2019, 02:39 AM
Lots of pointless walking scenes and no talking what so ever.
Without all of the useless walking scenes maybe there is 40-50 minutes of story in it.


And then the dragon just melts the throne and not taking out Jon. Like why not ?
Were the dragon really that smart to understand that he's mother Dany was evil in the end or something ?
King of not explained it in the episode. Or is it just to leave room for a chance of spin off series ?

Teddybrown
May 20th, 2019, 03:26 AM
So who saw Bran ending up as king coming? haha

Whats everyones rating for the season?

Who Knows
May 20th, 2019, 04:53 AM
I didn't see Bran as King, because (1) he didn't want it (2) as the three-eyed raven I did not think he could do it, &(3) I thought the three-eyed raven lived as a hermit with the children of the forrest in the wierwood forrests.

I was not iimpressed with the ending. It was a real let down. Cersei is dead, nobody killed her, Kingslanding fell on her & Jamie (Where does this valonquer come in to it?)

Yes Jon killed Dany, & all Drogon did was melted the Iron Throne & carry Dany away. Doesn't seem to care his Mistress, his Queen is dead & Jon killed her.

Jon is banished to the Wall because Grey Worm says he should be? Who died & made him king?

So now everything has gone back to what it was when this Game of Thrones started, except it is new people heading the families & a new 'little council' as if nothing happened.

Skydiver
May 20th, 2019, 05:09 AM
I think Drogon didnít kill Jon because - first heís a Valarian, second, dontí underestimate the intelligence of a dragon. Perhaps Drogon didnít like slaughtering a whole city but had to on his mistressí command. Perhaps he recognized the madness and knew she was now going to conquer the world.

I think him melting the throne was very appropriate. Take away the Ďprizeí and you take away the reason to fight. (in an odd moment I thought he took away his mistress to go find some dwarves and gold buried under a mountain and to kidnap Benny Cumberpatch to get a cool voice ;) )

Jon wasnít just banished because Grey Worm thought he should be....the whole Unsullied and Dothraki army hated him, as did anyone else that thought Dany was great. He never would have been accepted. The only way he could have been king is if he had arranged for someone else to kill Dany, thus maintaining the illusion of him being the reluctant heir. But true to Nedís lessons, donít ask others to do something you canít/wonít do, he killed her and in doing that he killed his chance to be king too. He honestly seemed to expect to not live through it, but Drogon spared him.

I always expected the show to end Ďfull circleí....because the game of thrones is a game that never ends. It cycles and the players change, but as long as there is a throne - any throne - people will play the game to sit on it. Dany didnít break the wheel....she just gave the car a flat tire that they fixed and are trying to use that. Honestly in a few years when Bran dies there will still be the same jockeying for power and position, the same campaigning and deal making so someone else can sit on whatever the throne will be and be in charge....especially once Bran does all the hard work of fixing the damage from the war.

It will take a generation or two for the population to increase and memories to fade for people to again lust after power. The Game of Thrones is a game that never ends.

Gen. Chris
May 20th, 2019, 05:26 AM
This was easily the worst series finale ever. Simple, lazy, boring, unlogical, injustice. GoT would have deserved better. :(

Dexter says hello

SoulReaver
May 20th, 2019, 06:32 AM
and now my watch(ing) is ended

Skydiver
May 20th, 2019, 07:20 AM
Dexter says hello

LOL

and Xena waves from the sidelines.

Dexter was truly dire

P-90_177
May 20th, 2019, 07:27 AM
LOL

and Xena waves from the sidelines.

Dexter was truly dire

Hey look, there's Enterprise frantically wanting attention. Lost seems to be lurking in the shadows too.

Chaka-Z0
May 20th, 2019, 07:38 AM
Whats everyones rating for the season?


https://youtu.be/3sIYe74sczE

Platschu
May 20th, 2019, 08:24 AM
GoT is in the elite league with LOST and BSG for the three worstly written series finale ever. All 3 had good points and parts, but the final judgements are still huge disappointments.

P-90_177
May 20th, 2019, 09:18 AM
GoT is in the elite league with LOST and BSG for the three worstly written series finale ever. All 3 had good points and parts, but the final judgements are still huge disappointments.

I'd actually put BSG on my list of excellent finales, albeit a mediocre final season as a whole. On the whole I don't think the GoT finale was bad. I think the season as a whole has been bad and clearly terribly rushed but as finales go it was simply mediocre.

To be fair I don't even think there's really anything wrong with how the episode developed. Dragon melting the Iron Throne and carrying Dany's body away is a bit eye rollingly convenient but otherwise it's all fine. Where it falls down is the dialogue. GoT is effectively a show where people talk. It's never been about battles and sword fights, it's about the intrigue and how the characters are still affected by everything that has happened to them before whereas this season and particularly these last few episodes have only really scratched the surface of why the characters do what they do. Nothing any of them has done has been out of character, we just needed a little more richness to add a little depth to what was happening.

Skydiver
May 20th, 2019, 09:57 AM
It could have used a couple more hours to flesh things out. Like Grey Wormís intense anger and thirst for revenge. As someone that had to reconcile his youth and what happened to him all of a sudden go all Ďjaffa revengeí seemed a bit off.

Jamie leaving Brienne to go to Cersei when he seemed to genuinely care for Brienne. Arya giving up her revenge to save her own life. Bronn going from Ďpay meí to being on the small council seemed to just happen.

There is a lot that just happened with no real explanation (honestly some of this is very much like the books where it was quite common to read the end of a chapter, think a character si dead, to see them come back 18 chapters later fine and well.

Honestly I donít think anything they did would have met folksí expectations.

Gen. Chris
May 20th, 2019, 10:34 AM
It's not about meeting expectations, though. It's about writing the conclusion to an eight-year long show in a competent way.

They failed.

The final season had great directing (for the most part), cinematography, acting, CG/sets/costumes...etc. Hundreds of people giving it their all for this show. And they were all let down by the writers in a season that cost around 15 million dollars per EPISODE.

What a missed opportunity.

Dael
May 20th, 2019, 12:43 PM
I was not iimpressed with the ending. It was a real let down. Cersei is dead, nobody killed her, Kingslanding fell on her & Jamie (Where does this valonquer come in to it?)

.....

Jon is banished to the Wall because Grey Worm says he should be? Who died & made him king?


Valonquar prophecy, from what I've seen around the web, wasn't made in the show - just the books. I wasn't watching at that time to know, so can't confirm.

Grey Worm DIDN'T want Jon to go north - he wanted to kill him for treason. And to be fair, this isn't him acting entirely on his own initiative - Dany was clear about the punishment for treason. If anything, being willing to bring Tyrion to a council meeting was slightly odd - since the queen wanted him dead as well, Grey Worm would have been logical if he had carried out the sentences immediately. Not right - but logical. It would have been his queen's command.

lopo30
May 20th, 2019, 01:30 PM
Btw the part of the last episode where Bran have been a king for a week and have a meeting with the council.

Then Bran ask about Drago and say i will see if i can find him. Like for what you need to find the dragon for ?
That part of the episode was just useless. Why mention dragon and then not show what was it up to and so on in the end.

P-90_177
May 20th, 2019, 01:39 PM
Btw the part of the last episode where Bran have been a king for a week and have a meeting with the council.

Then Bran ask about Drago and say i will see if i can find him. Like for what you need to find the dragon for ?
That part of the episode was just useless. Why mention dragon and then not show what was it up to and so on in the end.

I don't think it needed explaining. It was Bran's way of having a slight dig at the Small Council by just saying "Well you guys go ahead and start running the country, I'm gonna go Warg for a few hours... Cos like... I can do that. And you guys can't... Just in case you ever think I'm not watching." To be honest I kinda felt like that was part of the whole conversation of having not having a Master of Whisperers and a Master of War, because who could you possibly find who would be better at gathering intel than the King himself.

Don't get me wrong. I think adding a quick scene of Drogon laying Dany's body down somewhere in Slavers Bay or such where she's still adored would have been nice. For all the bad she ended up doing it would have been a nice rounding off to show her somewhere where she will still be mourned. But I feel that's a separate complaint to the Small Council scene.

SoulReaver
May 20th, 2019, 02:28 PM
so turns out the leaks for the last half of the season were legit so HBO has a mole

question is why would an employee do this? disgruntled? didn't get a raise?

Teddybrown
May 20th, 2019, 03:44 PM
Wanted to warn us how bad it would be? We waited almost 2 years for this...

I joke, I joke, but when you have 2 episodes where things are just left (coffee cup episode 4, water bottle episode 6) you wonder where the care went for these things?

In my opinion although I enjoyed this last season while watching and think there were some awesome scenes/moments, now that its over I kinda feel a bit deflated about it. Its just not been up to the standard of previous seasons.

Darren
May 21st, 2019, 10:22 AM
Well, it's the end of one of the greatest and most ambitious series in television history. Game of Thrones will be remembered for its sprawling world (which is still just a sliver of GRRM's books) and its high points. It won't be remembered for its ending, which by the time we got here kind of had to go down the way it went down.

Dany is the Mad Queen, and Jon is the only one who can stop her (and her armies) from striding across the world. And note that he's only in a position to do so because they have fallen in love, and she (and Drogon) trust him enough to let him in. So at least in that regard the past two seasons have paid off, and were not squandered by a sudden left turn in the narrative.

Really, I think viewers and critics should regard the series finale as #805 and 806. The climax of the story is #805; episode 806 is "What do we do now?" and tons of (I think largely needed) denouement. And as a two and half-hour series finale, it's pretty epic and gut-wrenching. The hero becomes the anti-hero; the liberator becomes the butcher. Everyone else is left to pick up the pieces.

The theme of the show has been whether or not we can break out of the larger systems in which we find ourselves: houses and inheritance, family and legacy, prophecy and destiny. This is what the Iron Throne represents. Will Daenerys become like her father? Will she "break the wheel" of houses fighting over the throne, trampling the common people in the process? Turns out both of these are true: she did become the Mad Queen, and she also did break the cycle -- by pure force.

Until the next time. Until the next Robert's Rebellion deals a blow to her new Targaryen empire. In the end Dany embraced the throne because she hasn't broken the wheel at all; she's only managed to get on top again. She is a tragic heroine, in the classical sense of tragedy.

Dany's death is finally what breaks the wheel. Drogon's destruction of the Iron Throne symbolizes that the game is over.

There is now no heir -- no children, no legitimate heirs for Robert or for Cersei, and no way in hell that the Queenslayer is now going to be made king, even if he wanted it. There is no heir. The next king, and all future kings, will be chosen by the nobles. No more blood succession. No children born to rule. No long-standing family dynasties. That is a massive political shift in the history of Westeros. (If you know the history of western civilizations, you'll recognize this change as one of the primary signals for the end of the Middle Ages and the dawn of the modern world.)

Of course there will continue to be power plays, alliances, subterfuge, and betrayal (and in this respect the game does go on). This is still a monarchy. But the rise and fall of houses, and the domination of Westeros by fire and by sword, has ostensibly come to an end. The Game of Thrones is over -- tragically, despite Daenerys Targaryen and not because of her.

I find that satisfying enough.


Some other scattered thoughts:


Jon didn't desert the Night's Watch. He's no oathbreaker. I think he's just helping the Wildlings to resettle north of the Wall.


Jon living out his days at Castle Black is fitting. Putting him on the throne would have felt wrong, somehow. Exploiting his lineage to win support of the noble houses would have felt out of character. Either he ends the story by taking the black, or he ends up dead on the floor alongside Daenerys (and we have a truly Shakespearean tragedy).


#VarysWasRight T-shirts, please.


Grey Worm is on point here. He is loyal enough, and furious enough, that he's not going to walk away and have Jon and Tyrion simply have their victory because they murdered their own Queen. He's in control ... but he's also not going to force military rule, and regard himself as some sort of logical successor to Dany. He has all the might -- yet he still recognizes that the military needs a legitimate ruler to take orders from.


Uncle Edmure, sit the F down. We didn't come all this way for you.


While the choice makes sense, Bran didn't get enough post-Raven character work for his becoming king to be satisfying. He'll be a wise ruler ... and how do we know this? Because he's a cripple? Because he has the history of Westeros downloaded into his brain? Because he'll be incredibly difficult to fool and manipulate?


The people left sitting on the Small Council are a bit too convenient, a bit too "cute." All the characters we know and love. I understand the TV need for this sort of payoff, but find it unrealistic that the kingdom will now be governed by this group of numbskulls. I know most everyone else has been killed off by this point, but it makes the world of the show feel smaller.


And there's no way in hell that Podrick is named to the King's Guard. He's only been able to fight competently for what, a few months? Maybe I buy this if they specifically named him King's Guard In Charge Of Pushing The Wheelchair In Times Of Peace.


Water bottles! Come on, guys. Finish strong.



While on the whole I am satisfied with the final two seasons of the show, there's no question it felt extraordinarily rushed (especially in comparison to the pacing of Seasons 1-6). It feels as though D&D decided they were done with the series, had bitten off more than they could chew (who says No to infinite network renewals?), and looked for an exit strategy.

In the end, it's made me want to go back and finish reading GRRM's books. I suppose that's a win for an TV series -- to make you want to invest hundreds more hours in the world and the characters. But I'm also going back to A Song of Ice and Fire because I want to see that world and those characters given the full due they deserve. I'd like to see this story -- and this ending -- done in a way that is not merely satisfying, but right.

DigiFluid
May 21st, 2019, 10:53 AM
In the end, it's made me want to go back and finish reading GRRM's books. I suppose that's a win for an TV series -- to make you want to invest hundreds more hours in the world and the characters. But I'm also going back to A Song of Ice and Fire because I want to see that world and those characters given the full due they deserve. I'd like to see this story -- and this ending -- done in a way that is not merely satisfying, but right.

Take your time. It's been nine years since book 5 came out and we're still waiting on 6 (with no end in sight), never mind book 7.

Skydiver
May 21st, 2019, 11:34 AM
Take your time. It's been nine years since book 5 came out and we're still waiting on 6 (with no end in sight), never mind book 7.

Yeah, I honestly think fanfic will close out the series before GRRM will, but time will tell on that one. I honestly think heís finished with Westeros and just doesnít want to admit it. He got his fantasy of his books becoming a tv series and Iím sure is quite nicely rewarded with the royalties.

I didnít think it was dire, perhaps rushed and hurried. It was no Avengers Endgame. It was no Big Bang Theory - who just had their great series finale by the way.

Chaka-Z0
May 21st, 2019, 01:10 PM
Yeah, I honestly think fanfic will close out the series before GRRM will, but time will tell on that one. I honestly think heís finished with Westeros and just doesnít want to admit it. He got his fantasy of his books becoming a tv series and Iím sure is quite nicely rewarded with the royalties.

Agreed. I know he claimed otherwise but the way I picture it is *Martin applies dot on line, there! finished!*


I didnít think it was dire, perhaps rushed and hurried. It was no Avengers Endgame. It was no Big Bang Theory - who just had their great series finale by the way.

People keep using this as an excuse for the mediocre last two seasons we've been served, I don't think it is personally. It was clear as day that the show would take over the books considering Martin's trademark i take my sweet time. Why was it rushed in that case?

It was planned, foreseeable that this show would need some serious creative support for whatever came after S05. If the plan was to end it at season 8, as I'm sure it wasn't, S06-S07 should've set up the table for the finale season which wasn't by a long shot.

To me it looks like D&D woke up one day and either realized they couldn't do it or rather didn't feel like doing it anymore and decided to abruptly end this series in 6 eps. Platschu correctly mentioned Lost and (not sure I agree but I guess it fits in there) BSG finale as comparison, he's right except for one thing, Lost & BSG might have had bad endings but it was at least coherent (in a certain fashion).

There was no rush, no networks pulling the plug, etc. The fate of this finale is solely on the hands of D&D and their incompetence. That's probably why as a fan of both the show and the books I am so angry towards them. I honestly wish mercy upon all SW fans if those two clowns are to direct the upcoming SW movies.

Platschu
May 21st, 2019, 03:25 PM
Since 4 more spinoffs are coming maybe we get a direct continuation... :)

* * *

The best part of the episode was the shots when Dany looked like she has got wings.

The worst part was then Tyrion has found his siblings. If not the whole cellar has collapsed then Jaime and Cersei could have stood a few metres away. Not like this rubbish and they are killed by bricks, but there were plenty of place where they could have hidden. This is simply bad.

Not to mention Jon. What has he got at the end? Nothing. No reward... No family heritage, nothing. Okay, he and his parents played a major role in Dany's madness, but then this is all?! He goes back to the north. Meh.

The costume of Arya was ridicolous. Why would they make a cape which can not cover her in the front? Stupid design.

Bronn. Why would Bran keep that promise what the Lannisters brothers have made for him? How has he got High Garden? Even Sam would have more right as his family served the Tyrells.

Sansa has got her own kingdom. Meh. This was also weird. So basically the Starks siblings has won everything.... 1+6 Kingdoms + 1 Beyond the Wall. Brrr.

Talking about Wall. There is no Wall. And why would the wieldlings go to the tundra if the Winter can last for years? I know I can understand they don't like civilization and they want to be free and independent, but North is enough big to settle them down until spring arrives... So why would they suffer at a frozen wasteland? Even if there is no Night King, their survival should be more important then their pride.

* * *


By the way there would have been some other ways to create a WTF moments for the end:
- Arya takes her face off (Waif or Jaquen) so she has died long time ago
- Bran could stand up from the wheelchair and he was just playing it for the power
- Dany the Dragon really reborns as a dragon (as a mate or child for Drogon)
- or Dany could be resurrected by the other Red Priestess
- Or Dany could be brought to north where she turns to be the new Night Queen
- same goes to Jon : his eyes could have glown into blue while he is riding north
- Westeros is part of WestWorld
- the giant really dreams the whole series and it played in his eyes (they talked about it in season 1)
etc.

Chaka-Z0
May 21st, 2019, 04:37 PM
- Westeros is part of WestWorld

*Bran rips mask off, Anthony Hopkins rises*

Ha ha ha my dear Bernard.

Platschu
May 22nd, 2019, 12:00 AM
Imagine a mega-crossover between Game of Thrones, Rome and WestWorld. GoT could be the Mediaval World, while Rome could be the Roman park. Even the re-used actors could be easily explained. :cool:

Like this classic meme....
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P-90_177
May 22nd, 2019, 04:07 AM
The best part of the episode was the shots when Dany looked like she has got wings.

Oh yeah that was a damn good shot.


The worst part was then Tyrion has found his siblings. If not the whole cellar has collapsed then Jaime and Cersei could have stood a few metres away. Not like this rubbish and they are killed by bricks, but there were plenty of place where they could have hidden. This is simply bad.


Sometimes these things happen. I mean it would only really take just one of those stone slabs to hit them in the head to kill them. Otherwise I thought having them die, not in some grand moment but simply underground and running away was perfectly fitting. Certainly for Cersei. And while Jaime was more likeable thereís no doubt that he deserved it after many of the things heís done too.


Not to mention Jon. What has he got at the end? Nothing. No reward... No family heritage, nothing. Okay, he and his parents played a major role in Dany's madness, but then this is all?! He goes back to the north. Meh.


He has his freedom. Tormund always stood by the notion that Jon was more wildling than southerner in his heart. But it was never going to end well as far as Jon was concerned. Regardless of what he did, he loved Dany deeply and he would be no more happy sitting on the Iron Throne as he was being sent to the Nights Watch.


The costume of Arya was ridicolous. Why would they make a cape which can not cover her in the front? Stupid design.


Didnít even notice to be honest. Not to that extent anyway. In her final scene on the ship I did sort of think it looked half Stark and half Bravosi in a way. A sort of Spanish Pirate look.


Bronn. Why would Bran keep that promise what the Lannisters brothers have made for him? How has he got High Garden? Even Sam would have more right as his family served the Tyrells.


Why wouldnít he? If Bran can see the future then he may know already that Bronn will be an effective Maste of coin. Or he may have simply asked Tyrion to build the Small council as he saw fit. Bran strikes me as likely being a fairly hands off king.


Sansa has got her own kingdom. Meh. This was also weird. So basically the Starks siblings has won everything.... 1+6 Kingdoms + 1 Beyond the Wall. Brrr.


Really? Out of all the endings I found this one the most obvious. The whole series has revolved around the North trying to gain independence.


Talking about Wall. There is no Wall. And why would the wieldlings go to the tundra if the Winter can last for years? I know I can understand they don't like civilization and they want to be free and independent, but North is enough big to settle them down until spring arrives... So why would they suffer at a frozen wasteland? Even if there is no Night King, their survival should be more important then their pride.


Inuit tribes donít have to live in icy wastelands but they still do. Itís their home. Itís what they know. They know where to hunt and where to find resources. It may be a hard life but itís one they can live and as a culture they value that hardship and struggle for making them tough.

SoulReaver
May 22nd, 2019, 07:41 AM
Sansa has got her own kingdom. Meh.
that was another weird part
basically she's saying "the north will not be ruled by a Stark! (Bran)"

than she says "the north will be independent & ruled by a Stark! (Sansa)"

uh ok '_'

SoulReaver
May 22nd, 2019, 08:53 AM
btw anyone else lol'd at how Edmure was shown to be the same loser he always was?

Chaka-Z0
May 23rd, 2019, 07:57 AM
https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

1.5 millions now

DigiFluid
May 23rd, 2019, 08:15 AM
https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

1.5 millions now

1.5 million petty, entitled children.

Gen. Chris
May 23rd, 2019, 10:31 AM
I see it as more of a "**** you for letting this happen, producers"

I signed it myself. I know it won't happen, but it takes only seconds to extend the digital middle finger the writers deserve for what they pulled on this season.

Chaka-Z0
May 23rd, 2019, 10:59 AM
I see it as more of a "**** you for letting this happen, producers"

I signed it myself. I know it won't happen, but it takes only seconds to extend the digital middle finger the writers deserve for what they pulled on this season.

This is exactly how I see it and it's on record that 1.5M persons gave D&D the digital middle finger. I am literally boycotting any and all future material coming from these guys, these clowns showed the world they truly don't care about the fans.

SoulReaver
May 23rd, 2019, 12:36 PM
funny thing is how some of the actors are taking it as a jab against them or the crew they don't seem to grasp that the only target are those 2 ******s D&D
but like I said such a petition's a waste of time viewers should focus their efforts on ending the career of D&D instead - pressure studios into boycotting them starting with Disney

SoulReaver
May 23rd, 2019, 12:39 PM
btw am I the only one who thought Daenerys was even more beautiful in her evil version? https://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/krysalia.gif

Chaka-Z0
May 23rd, 2019, 12:54 PM
btw am I the only one who thought Daenerys was even more beautiful in her evil version? https://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/krysalia.gif

Correct, I confess I do love a little bit of crazy in my women :P

I wouldn't date her I mean her drelatives are a little bit too much and I'd be afraid dead of having them breath down my neck the whole time :)

SoulReaver
May 23rd, 2019, 01:11 PM
Correct, I confess I do love a little bit of crazy in my women :P

I wouldn't date her I mean her drelatives are a little bit too much and I'd be afraid dead of having them breath down my neck the whole time :)face of angel heart of demon - it's the contrast https://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/zebra33.gif
yeah that "guard dog" of hers could be a bit of a problem

SoulReaver
May 23rd, 2019, 01:13 PM
and anyone else get vibes from *a certain saga* during her epic victory speech?

I won't say which one but here's a hint: I imagined her saying "We stand on the threshold of a new beginning. In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the 7 kingdoms will be reorganized into the first Targaryen Empire, for a safe and secure society" https://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/nikolai.gif

Skydiver
May 24th, 2019, 07:24 AM
I had no issue with Aryaís costume because sheís a fighter, she doesnít want a cape getting in her way. She would gladly sacrifice warmth for mobility.

SoulReaver
May 25th, 2019, 04:28 PM
a picture and a word worth a 1000 words

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/21/4/1558644705-otyq003ciyz21.jpg

Platschu
May 26th, 2019, 04:32 PM
It is a correct picture.

Season 7 would have been good, but the alliance with the Martells and Tyrells have been closed way too quickly.

But back to season 8. I also don't like that nobody mentioned or questioned how the Red Woman has killed Renly. Sir Davos could have told about the dark magic to Brienne... I was expecting a scene about it especially when Gendry has started to talk to Arya about his role in the process...

Brienne has also not revealed what Jaime told him about the wildfire in King's Landing. Probably it would have foreshadowed Dany's future decisions.

SoulReaver
May 27th, 2019, 02:43 AM
Gendry was uninvolved in the summoning of the shadow being (that was between the witch & Stannis only)

but several other things went un-mentioned

like Jon Snow's true heritage why wasn't it brought up at the council
even Greyworm's attitude may have changed if he knew Jon & Dany were related by blood
so far only Bran Sam Tyrion Sansa & Arya know about it
and Arya's now irrelevant (btw what exactly was her purpose after the battle of Winterfell? she could've been killed at the same time as the Night King & it wouldn't have changed the plot)

P-90_177
May 27th, 2019, 05:03 AM
Gendry was uninvolved in the summoning of the shadow being (that was between the witch & Stannis only)

but several other things went un-mentioned

like Jon Snow's true heritage why wasn't it brought up at the council
even Greyworm's attitude may have changed if he knew Jon & Dany were related by blood
so far only Bran Sam Tyrion Sansa & Arya know about it
and Arya's now irrelevant (btw what exactly was her purpose after the battle of Winterfell? she could've been killed at the same time as the Night King & it wouldn't have changed the plot)

Greyworm wouldn't have cared about Jon's bloodline one iota. Even if Tyrion and the others had revealed it to the council it wouldn't have changed anything. Greyworm would not have released him and the council would have run the risk of prolonging the war. And that is in fact assuming the Council would have been any happier following him after the revelation too. They'd already seen one Targaryen wipe out King's landing and most of the lords were old enough to remember the Mad King threatening to do the same. They may have been willing to follow Jon as a Stark, but possibly less willing to follow him after the revelation that he is a Targaryen. That goes double for the North who were already wary of him after bending the knee to Dany.

I think Arya's arc, while rushed at the end is pretty clear. She is one of the few people who actively kills people for personal gain (revenge in her case) who does not then get killed herself. GoT is filled with characters who are obsessed with one thing or another and then usually end up killing as part of that obsession (a few exceptions. Ned Stark had an obsession with honour at all costs and got the same comeuppance). Arya had that obsession, and would have likely died if like Clegane had pursued her vengeance but then changed her mind at the last moment. Essentially breaking the cycle of violence that so many characters in Westeros are locked in.

SoulReaver
May 27th, 2019, 05:46 AM
Greyworm wouldn't have cared about Jon's bloodline one iota. Even if Tyrion and the others had revealed it to the council it wouldn't have changed anything. Greyworm would not have released him and the council would have run the risk of prolonging the war. And that is in fact assuming the Council would have been any happier following him after the revelation too. They'd already seen one Targaryen wipe out King's landing and most of the lords were old enough to remember the Mad King threatening to do the same. They may have been willing to follow Jon as a Stark, but possibly less willing to follow him after the revelation that he is a Targaryen. That goes double for the North who were already wary of him after bending the knee to Dany.

I think Arya's arc, while rushed at the end is pretty clear. She is one of the few people who actively kills people for personal gain (revenge in her case) who does not then get killed herself. GoT is filled with characters who are obsessed with one thing or another and then usually end up killing as part of that obsession (a few exceptions. Ned Stark had an obsession with honour at all costs and got the same comeuppance). Arya had that obsession, and would have likely died if like Clegane had pursued her vengeance but then changed her mind at the last moment. Essentially breaking the cycle of violence that so many characters in Westeros are locked in.but to Greyworm Jon's just an outsider right?

and why didn't Arya try to kill Dany after telling Jon she was a danger (when she sneaks up on him right after Dany leaves (that scene too felt pointless))

Platschu
May 27th, 2019, 05:53 AM
GoT is filled with characters who are obsessed with one thing or another and then usually end up killing as part of that obsession (a few exceptions. Ned Stark had an obsession with honour at all costs and got the same comeuppance). Arya had that obsession, and would have likely died if like Clegane had pursued her vengeance but then changed her mind at the last moment. Essentially breaking the cycle of violence that so many characters in Westeros are locked in.
Exactly. I have noticed the same that most of the characters suffer from such losses or death which were important for their character or story arc :

- Ned : man of honour - lost his life being betrayed his trust
- Tywin : dignity - dies on the toilet
- Theon : enjoying life - lost his favorite toy
- Ramsay : hunting people with dogs - killed by his own dogs
- Jamie : one of the best sword fighter - lost his hand
- Cersei : pride - she dies without pride
- Little Finger : master of conspiracy - being fooled with his own mind tricks
- Lady Olenna : poisining - died by poison
etc.

Sometimes I have felt that even the fate of their wolf puppets followed their owners:
- Sansa's wolf was killed in captivity as part of power play
- Jon's wolf is loyal, but also free
- Arya's wolf is released and nobody knows where she is
- Rickon's wolf was captured and killed
- Robb's wolf was killed in captivity as part of a conspiration

Chaka-Z0
May 27th, 2019, 07:49 AM
I agree with Platschu, the deaths in GoT are well thought out. Just adding my 2 cents to the list


- Ned : man of honour - lost his life being betrayed his trust

Also continues the ''North curse'' : Every Stark that voyaged south died in some way or another.


- Tywin : dignity - dies on the toilet

Also a reference to the common saying in Westoros ''Tywin Lannister is so rich he ****s gold''


- Little Finger : master of conspiracy - being fooled with his own mind tricks

Well for this one I thought it was a bit stupid how he died in the show, waiting to see his true faith in the books, I assume he'll die but perhaps not in such a stupid way.


- Arya's wolf is released and nobody knows where she is

Nymeria is in the Godswood leading a pack of frenzied wolves, it was briefly hinted in the show but this arc got discarded I guess due to lack of screen time (and CGI costs of course).

Platschu
May 27th, 2019, 08:25 AM
Yeah... So Nymeria's fate is similar to Arya, who also gone "berserk".

By the way... I have finished the story with a bit more dramatic ending:
- Arya tried to kill the face of Grey Worm to kill Dany, but she is knocked from behind. Her hands are tightened behind her head. Jon executes "him" as an order from Dany, so Arya would have died as noone. Jon has got mad when he realized he killed his own sister (cousin)
- Tyrion would have put wildfire under the main square, so as his final act he would have killed all the Dothraki and Unsullied instantly, so Dany would have left alone with her dragon
- Jon is killed by the dragon, but he managed to hurt Dany at least
- Dany would have flown back to destroy Winterfell and punish Sansa and the rebelling Jon
- Bran would have warged Drogon to fly him to Essos and to keep Westeros safe while Dany is on the back of the dragon. And when the dragon dies he also would have died
- Dany lands in the middle of the grassland of Essos where the "ghost grass" would consume her completly, but she would be reunited with Khal Drogo and her son

Skydiver
May 27th, 2019, 11:43 AM
WIth Nymeria and Arya, when they ran into each other last season I think, one way to interpret that encounter was the wolf going Ďyeah, itís you, youíre fine, you donít need me, bye nowí

SoulReaver
May 27th, 2019, 03:01 PM
yeah that scene was meant to provide closure (that's how I immediately interpreted it tbh)

Chaka-Z0
May 27th, 2019, 06:50 PM
WIth Nymeria and Arya, when they ran into each other last season I think, one way to interpret that encounter was the wolf going Ďyeah, itís you, youíre fine, you donít need me, bye nowí

Arya's character in a nutshell. That's what's cool about the wolves, like Platschu pointed out.

SoulReaver
May 27th, 2019, 08:01 PM
so why's Arya flying the wolf sail? it's like she's showing she's an envoy of house Stark or something - but this contradicts the fact she's getting away from house & family & not interested in titles ("that's not me")
so which is it?

Gen. Chris
May 27th, 2019, 09:01 PM
so why's Arya flying the wolf sail? it's like she's showing she's an envoy of house Stark or something - but this contradicts the fact she's getting away from house & family & not interested in titles ("that's not me")
so which is it?

It's bad writing.

Though I have no problems with her representing the Starks.

Platschu
May 28th, 2019, 03:22 AM
If Drogon is flying to the east, while Arya is sailing to the west, what if they meet soon it or later?! :D

P-90_177
May 28th, 2019, 03:52 AM
so why's Arya flying the wolf sail? it's like she's showing she's an envoy of house Stark or something - but this contradicts the fact she's getting away from house & family & not interested in titles ("that's not me")
so which is it?

Why is it so binary? She never said she didnít want to be a Stark. She never said she didnít want to have a title of some kind. She simply doesnít want to settle down and become a typical noble lady. She still loves her family and her House. She just feels her path is elsewhere, but sheís still proud of where she comes from. That was part of her arc in coming back to Westeros. A girl has a name. A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell.

Skydiver
May 28th, 2019, 05:49 AM
Exactly. She just isnít set to be the dignified lady of the house. SHeís not the kind to settle down, make a proper marriage, and pop out kids like expected. She wants to explore and adventure. So sheís not denying her heritage, just societyís expectations of how she - a female - should act.

Chaka-Z0
May 28th, 2019, 08:42 AM
Why is it so binary? She never said she didnít want to be a Stark. She never said she didnít want to have a title of some kind. She simply doesnít want to settle down and become a typical noble lady. She still loves her family and her House. She just feels her path is elsewhere, but sheís still proud of where she comes from. That was part of her arc in coming back to Westeros. A girl has a name. A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell.

Part would be the correct choice of word. Still unsure why they completely tossed the whole faceless man arc aside, I guess lack of time, they did wrap up three major arcs in 6 epi (Dany - NK - Cersei). But yea, Arya pretty much wanted to become ''no one'' only to get rid of the people on her list and get revenge for her house, the Starks of Winterfell. In the books it's quite clear that is the one thing she holds on to the whole time and has the hardest time to let go.

Arya - no one - can't stay no one - Arya - buh-bye

On another note, I've actually read the interview transcript (entertainment weekly and D&D). They claim they've been planning the ending since S03-4 and had it all planned out.

SoulReaver
May 28th, 2019, 09:50 AM
Why is it so binary? She never said she didnít want to be a Stark. She never said she didnít want to have a title of some kind. She simply doesnít want to settle down and become a typical noble lady. She still loves her family and her House. She just feels her path is elsewhere, but sheís still proud of where she comes from. That was part of her arc in coming back to Westeros. A girl has a name. A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell.between retaining her identity & proudly advertising her family name to the world, it's a leap. nothing whatsoever in this season or the previous seasons to indicate this
in fact she seemed to care about being a Stark barely more than 3eye raven Bran

SoulReaver
May 28th, 2019, 09:51 AM
incidentally anyone else caught on the sheer stupidity of the script when she says "I know a killer when I see one" (she says that to Jon, about Dany)

no **** Sherlock what was the clue - when Dany levelled an entire city?
lol

Platschu
May 28th, 2019, 10:13 AM
There was a youtube video which explained when Ary has joined that theatre group to make her assassin mission in Braavos, then she was talking about her dream to be an explorer and to sail to the west of Westeros. I believe it was in season 4, 5 or 6. I have to search back that scene. So technically her decision was based on that story plot.

Chaka-Z0
May 28th, 2019, 10:19 AM
incidentally anyone else caught on the sheer stupidity of the script when she says "I know a killer when I see one" (she says that to Jon, about Dany)

no **** Sherlock what was the clue - when Dany levelled an entire city?
lol

Wasn't that scene prior the attack?


There was a youtube video which explained when Ary has joined that theatre group to make her assassin mission in Braavos, then she was talking about her dream to be an explorer and to sail to the west of Westeros. I believe it was in season 4, 5 or 6. I have to search back that scene. So technically her decision was based on that story plot.

The ending for Arya is probably the only one that made sense to me, but Soul's got a point, if she's on a boat with the Starks emblem they should've shown a quick scene of say Sansa granting one boat to Arya for her adventures, which would explain why they would have the wolf on a flag.

SoulReaver
May 28th, 2019, 10:22 AM
Wasn't that scene prior the attack??that scene was in ep 6 the attack was in ep 5

Platschu
May 28th, 2019, 10:28 AM
They must have jumped in time as it must have taken time to construct a Start ship, then Jon must have gone to the Wall etc.

Back to Arya... I didn't like that no word was mentioned about Little Finger in season 8. I have expected that Varys will comment about his death. Then I didn't like how Arya was not celebrated after the Night King (but Gendry did it anyway...), then how she has left Winterfell without a scene with Sansa. Then she said "I am not coming back." WHAT?! Then there was no good-bye scene before she has gone to leave Westeros. I am guessing they wanted to make the Arya/Sansa/Jon montague so badly that they have skipped so many things in season 8.

SoulReaver
May 28th, 2019, 10:32 AM
Then she said "I am not coming back." WHAT?!almost forgot that one
this makes her final scene all the more puzzling

SoulReaver
May 28th, 2019, 10:33 AM
incidentally if the king's now elected by the paramount lords...shouldn't the paramount lords in turn be elected by their vassal lords? :tealcanime49:

Skydiver
May 28th, 2019, 05:23 PM
They must have jumped in time as it must have taken time to construct a Start ship, then Jon must have gone to the Wall etc.

Back to Arya... I didn't like that no word was mentioned about Little Finger in season 8. I have expected that Varys will comment about his death. Then I didn't like how Arya was not celebrated after the Night King (but Gendry did it anyway...), then how she has left Winterfell without a scene with Sansa. Then she said "I am not coming back." WHAT?! Then there was no good-bye scene before she has gone to leave Westeros. I am guessing they wanted to make the Arya/Sansa/Jon montague so badly that they have skipped so many things in season 8.

They did jump time, 3-4 months or so passed between the death of Dany and the Ďelectioní at the end.

The Starks ainít poor and Iím sure there are plenty of boats in Kingís Landing, that may or may not have live owners. Dany massacred so much of the population Iím sure there were a lot of Ďspoilsí...aka unclaimed goods.

Chaka-Z0
May 28th, 2019, 08:33 PM
And I'm sure our good ol' Master of Coin made sure the spoils got harvested before you even knew it was there and hid half of it in his castle at Highgarden.

SoulReaver
May 28th, 2019, 09:02 PM
Dany massacred so much of the population Iím sure there were a lot of Ďspoilsí...aka unclaimed goods.and both the dothraki & unsullied army would've been quick to claim those


And I'm sure our good ol' Master of Coin made sure the spoils got harvested before you even knew it was there and hid half of it in his castle at Highgarden.speaking of technically Highgarden no longer has any wealth right? the Lannisters & Tarlys took all the Tyrell gold after the attack
so Bronn basically got a bankrupt house & his only way of replenishing its fortune is by embezzling borrowing crown gold using his new position (and somehow Bran not finding out)

P-90_177
May 29th, 2019, 03:18 AM
incidentally if the king's now elected by the paramount lords...shouldn't the paramount lords in turn be elected by their vassal lords? :tealcanime49:

Why? Thatís no the system Tyrion described. Why choose to devolve power even more? Itís already a pretty big ask to get the Lords Paramount to select their king from among them and not out of a bloodline.


and both the dothraki & unsullied army would've been quick to claim those

speaking of technically Highgarden no longer has any wealth right? the Lannisters & Tarlys took all the Tyrell gold after the attack
so Bronn basically got a bankrupt house & his only way of replenishing its fortune is by embezzling borrowing crown gold using his new position (and somehow Bran not finding out)

The Dothraki maybe, but the Unsullied donít plunder and pillage without orders. In fact I wouldnít be surprised if the Dothraki were even prevented from doing so by the Unsullied as they know their Queen would not have approved.

As for Bronn, I have no doubt that as the new head of House Lannister Tyrion gave back a lot of that wealth to Highgarden. But regardless Bronn would have got rich off it. Highgarden and its holdings are essentially the breadbasket of the seven kingdoms. The grow produce to sell, thatís how they get rich. Casterly Rock meanwhile didnít have much in the way of farmland and agriculture. It had its mines which are now dry and thatís it. So probably in another decade or so Bronn would likely be the richest man in Westeros with no swindling or cheating needed.

SoulReaver
May 29th, 2019, 08:45 AM
Why? Thatís no the system Tyrion described. Why choose to devolve power even more? Itís already a pretty big ask to get the Lords Paramount to select their king from among them and not out of a bloodline. I meant this new system would give the lesser lords ideas
paramount lords are a bit like mini-kings on a smaller scale right? (before Aegon they were kings)
so the vassal lords could legitimately demand the exact same system for themselves: elect their liege lords just like the liege lords elect their king


The Dothraki maybe, but the Unsullied donít plunder and pillage without orders. In fact I wouldnít be surprised if the Dothraki were even prevented from doing so by the Unsullied as they know their Queen would not have approved. I didn't mean plunder for the sake of it like dothraki or ironborn do I meant they'd seize those goods as resources
for instance in anticipation of a conflict with the rest of Westeros

Chaka-Z0
May 29th, 2019, 09:12 AM
I meant this new system would give the lesser lords ideas
paramount lords are a bit like mini-kings on a smaller scale right? (before Aegon they were kings)
so the vassal lords could legitimately demand the exact same system for themselves: elect their liege lords just like the liege lords elect their king

The lesser Lords know their place, you can't just go full democracy without breaking the entire nobility and lineage system, it would tear Westoros apart. The elected king is already a huge step.

The final scenes of EP6 made little sense because there wasn't enough time to lead to those conclusions, not that the conclusions are bad in themselves. (Bronn being Lord of Highgarden could make sense since originally the Tyrells have never been nobility and were descended from a lineage of Stewards).


I didn't mean plunder for the sake of it like dothraki or ironborn do I meant they'd seize those goods as resources
for instance in anticipation of a conflict with the rest of Westeros

You're like 60 steps ahead of D&D, hold your horses Soul. As far as what we've seen, it looks like Greyworm had his standing orders of executing everybody and for the possible after-battle plunder, well Dany got killed pretty fast didn't she? Or maybe not, maybe it had been a week? Everybody's been teleporting around Westoros ever since S07 started and time jumps everywhere with no visible explanation other than plot holes.

SoulReaver
May 29th, 2019, 09:32 AM
The lesser Lords know their place, you can't just go full democracy without breaking the entire nobility and lineage system, it would tear Westoros apart. The elected king is already a huge step. ? this ain't full democracy the liege lords laughed at the idea of the commonfolk voting
but what I said ain't democracy it's about the lesser lords (they're still nobility not commoners) voting for the greater lords

in other words exact same system Tyrion proposed but on the next level (smaller scale)

Chaka-Z0
May 29th, 2019, 11:14 AM
? this ain't full democracy the liege lords laughed at the idea of the commonfolk voting
but what I said ain't democracy it's about the lesser lords (they're still nobility not commoners) voting for the greater lords

in other words exact same system Tyrion proposed but on the next level (smaller scale)

In other words, what I meant is that the liege lords are descendants (for the most part) of ancient and powerful families and houses, it's not something that can be changed as easily as lords of X and Y castles that changes hands every few years. They were there even before the Targaryens.

SoulReaver
May 29th, 2019, 11:54 AM
In other words, what I meant is that the liege lords are descendants (for the most part) of ancient and powerful families and houses, it's not something that can be changed as easily as lords of X and Y castles that changes hands every few years. They were there even before the Targaryens.one of the liege lords was just appointed ad hoc as part of a debt payment
kings themselves are for the most part descendants of former kings until Bran & Tyrion changed that. if this can be done for the "lord protector of the 7 kingdoms" then it can be done for the "lord protector" of each of the kingdoms

SoulReaver
May 29th, 2019, 11:56 AM
it's like if the lords of houses Karstark Umber Mormont Bolton Manderly Glover etc. had gathered together to choose the next lord of Winterfell after mad king executed Rickard Stark (instead of Ned Stark inheriting the title)

Chaka-Z0
May 29th, 2019, 12:11 PM
it's like if the lords of houses Karstark Umber Mormont Bolton Manderly Glover etc. had gathered together to choose the next lord of Winterfell after mad king executed Rickard Stark (instead of Ned Stark inheriting the title)

North is independent and much more old school than anywhere else in Westoros, that'd be an alien concept to them. I can buy a select group of liege lords choosing the next King, but the rest, meh.

I get what you're saying, I just personally think this would be a little bit too cheesy for GoT.

SoulReaver
May 29th, 2019, 12:20 PM
North is independent and much more old school than anywhere else in Westoros, that'd be an alien concept to them. I can buy a select group of liege lords choosing the next King, but the rest, meh.

I get what you're saying, I just personally think this would be a little bit too cheesy for GoT.not so alien anymore after one of their own pioneered the system (Bran's 100% northbred)

come to think of it the north's its own kingdom so if there's a sequel it'd be interesting to see if it puts in place the same system as the south
especially since the alternative would be for Sansa to marry which I don't see happening

Chaka-Z0
May 29th, 2019, 12:22 PM
I've read somewhere that it was clearly stated by HBO that they do not want ANY sequel of any kind. They want GoT to be ''its own thing''. There shall be only prequels.

SoulReaver
May 29th, 2019, 01:03 PM
oops I meant spinoffs

Chaka-Z0
May 30th, 2019, 07:59 AM
oops I meant spinoffs

Oh yes. Tons of those if the rumors are true.

Teddybrown
May 30th, 2019, 11:19 AM
5 being worked on with one confirmed I believe

Skydiver
May 30th, 2019, 07:45 PM
I too heard something on entertainment tonight about sequels and the ending of the show and they said, along the lines of, only prequels set before the time of the show, thousands of years before the time, are in the works. So yeah, GOT is the finale and now prequels....kinda like LOTR where the movies are done, then they did the Hobbit (and yeah, I know LOTR was never written to have any sort of follow up or sequel, just a case where the ending came before the beginning)

SoulReaver
June 2nd, 2019, 11:49 AM
what about spinoffs? (set not before/after but during the time of GOT)

Stargate Atlantis Girl
June 17th, 2019, 04:58 PM
Wow, what an ending. I know Iím a little late to the party but itís nice to know Iím not the only one disappointed. I understand that it was never going to be perfect and Iím not going to sit here and whine about it, but there were a few things that I thought they could have done more dignified.

I found Cerciís death to be really disappointing. For years they built her up as such the villain and glorified all her enemiesís desire to kill her and she died next to the one she loved the most. It just seemed very unfitting for such the hype they had built up all these years.

Along to the whole season feeling very rushed, I was also not a fan of Bran becoming king. I wasnít a fan of his storyline to begin with so it might just be my opinion, but I donít feel like he added much to the show and making him king seemed like a cop out for the writers.

Danyís ending was also sad, I think her character deserved better than to have that end. Anyway, just my two cents, it was a great show, sad to see it go but it was time.