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Skydiver
May 12th, 2019, 07:19 PM
So, quite the death toll

Varys
jamie
Cersei
the mountain
sandor
the evil scientist dude
And Euron, woohoo.

and it turns out Varys was right, Dany is nuts. She deliberately torched the city for no reason.

Now...will Jon be able to kill her? Be sure that’s what needs to happen.

unless of course the few surviving ‘good guys’ retreat to let her torch it all.

Oh and Sansa better watch out, cause Dany will come for her next.

Brother Freyr
May 12th, 2019, 10:08 PM
Now...will Jon be able to kill her? Be sure that’s what needs to happen..Jon will do it but not before Dany has Tyrion killed. Arya would gladly, eagerly do the deed, but this job is for Jon.

We'll (maybe) learn that Varys succeeded in sending messages to many of the more important destinations. Bringing Dany to justice will help persuade Westeros to accept Jon as king. At least, that's the way it would play out if we had two or three episodes.

P-90_177
May 13th, 2019, 01:35 AM
I think we’ll likely see Arya being the one to kill Dany. She’s already within the city walls (what’s left of them) while Jon retreated back outside. I’m also thinking Tyrion will may die now. It seems too convenient that Tyrion is otherwise the only Lannister left. Although we know Casterly Rock is all but destitute now so if Tyrion does live it may be a pauper of a house which I think he’d be perfectly happy with at this point.

With Kings Landing wiped out I think it’s fair to say Dany did what she said she was going to do and break the wheel of power that the great houses fight over. At a guess i’m Not sure they’ll bother rebuilding it. I am wondering if Jon will just refuse the throne all together and argue that the Seven Kingdoms can rule themselves and go back North as a Stark/Snow.

Skydiver
May 13th, 2019, 04:54 AM
I dunno, he has to be smart enough to know, without a single king, the 7 individual kingdoms will be involved in endless bickering and turf wars. the ambitious survivors will - once their forces build up - go raiding to expand. Someone will always be wanting to be ‘the king’ of the land and will not peacefully co-exist and be happy with what they have.

Tyrion learned a hard lesson, one Varys learned long ago - the good of the many outweigh loyalty to one.

Varys could see the madness, Tyrion was too blinded by loyalty to see it, so watched the murder of innocents because of it.

P-90_177
May 13th, 2019, 06:08 AM
I dunno, he has to be smart enough to know, without a single king, the 7 individual kingdoms will be involved in endless bickering and turf wars. the ambitious survivors will - once their forces build up - go raiding to expand. Someone will always be wanting to be ‘the king’ of the land and will not peacefully co-exist and be happy with what they have.

Tyrion learned a hard lesson, one Varys learned long ago - the good of the many outweigh loyalty to one.

Varys could see the madness, Tyrion was too blinded by loyalty to see it, so watched the murder of innocents because of it.

I can't decide if I like the direction Tyrion has taken over the last couple of seasons or not. In earlier seasons he was painted as being far cleverer than he is now but of course I think he always backed that cleverness up with wealth or power, neither of which he has any more.

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 06:33 AM
a bland Cleganebowl, Arya there for the sake of being there, Varys' death pointless as he was no martyr (no supporters), Jaime's evolution retconned, and the Mad Queen "just cause"
no need to elaborate just Dumb & Dumber living up to their nickname
trust that GRRM at least will get the books right

on the plus side Tyrion's now the tallest member of house Lannister

Chaka-Z0
May 13th, 2019, 06:54 AM
I liked the accent on the destruction and slaughter of the smallfolks, totally unwarranted violence.

I didn't like well, just like other eps, the justification behind it, this season really could've used a few more eps to at least wrap it up instead of rushing things. The Clegane fight had a very cheesy ending imo, I'm sad for Varys but he knew he was going to die this was a YOLO moment for him.

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 06:59 AM
they even recycled acts (collar around Jaime, Sandor's eyes gouged Oberyn style)

Chaka-Z0
May 13th, 2019, 07:19 AM
Anybody noticed the wildfire explosions when the dragon struck certain buildings? Seems like Cersei had planted jars all over the town, Mad King style.

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 07:23 AM
it's competition on who can be the maddest queen
except Cersei's at least makes sense considering all the previous character development

https://66.media.tumblr.com/fa852f5c39dd25853c19618e12700a7d/tumblr_n6wk6uMaRf1rdu0e4o1_500.gif https://66.media.tumblr.com/d08eb3d25760bd0ffee1d6a8a43a9c7b/tumblr_n6wk6uMaRf1rdu0e4o2_500.gif

Chaka-Z0
May 13th, 2019, 08:54 AM
:lol:

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 10:43 AM
btw I just figured out how the dothraki replenished their troops https://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/chacha1910.gif

during their journey from Winterfell to King's Landing they raped many women thus making new dothrakis

man I should've been in charge of the script (couldn't be worse right?)


https://66.media.tumblr.com/149c2ba5ac190d1d1cd1c31c538e7f22/tumblr_prfqcv96FH1ucuizvo1_1280.jpg

Teddybrown
May 13th, 2019, 11:31 AM
Aryas plot shield is strong...

Have to agree about Jamie, its a shame he went back to Cersei. At least Brienne can cry into Tormunds arms :lol:

Danys gone full mad queen and will turn on the North now. Where will the final battle be?

As for those scorpions that have been so useful up to now, they kinda sucked... But I suppose it shows how easy it is to take a city when you have a dragon on your side.

Interested to see how they end it and whos left standing...

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 11:55 AM
Danys gone full mad queen and will turn on the North nowthis would motivate Jon to kill her (but would also render Arya officially irrelevant since episode 3)

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 11:55 AM
hey if Tywin had been still alive he'd have told Cersei "you will marry the Night King and secure the North!"

Chaka-Z0
May 13th, 2019, 12:22 PM
Aryas plot shield is strong...

She went from elite magical assassin sorceress to let's play hide and seek in kingslanding.


Have to agree about Jamie, its a shame he went back to Cersei. At least Brienne can cry into Tormunds arms :lol:

Honestly Jaime practically gave up and broke up with Cersei, he came to his senses and now he just says well screw my char dev. I'm going back to crazy town. I was clinging on the hope that he went back to actually kill her, since he knew she wouldn't yield and many innocents would perish. He killed the MK for this very reason! And he was twice the douche that he is now! That would've been full circle with his story and awesome imo.




As for those scorpions that have been so useful up to now, they kinda sucked... But I suppose it shows how easy it is to take a city when you have a dragon on your side.

Interested to see how they end it and whos left standing...

That's why bad script makes everything that follows unbelievable. You pull a one in a million shot of a 1 dragon kill, from 50 miles in a very casual way, then you can't hit anything with dozens of them at point blank. Scorpions of ep4 became the Stormtroopers of SW in ep5

Skydiver
May 13th, 2019, 12:22 PM
And you know the scorpions are there so know how to avoid them. That’s what got them at first, they didn’t know there was a weapon. So this time she came down out of the sun and they couldn’t see her until too late.

Chaka-Z0
May 13th, 2019, 12:25 PM
On a positive note, the CGI was flawless. At least they made good of Ghost's cuts money.

JeffTate
May 13th, 2019, 12:25 PM
https://imgur.com/gallery/F7g5ZdJ

Chaka-Z0
May 13th, 2019, 12:26 PM
And you know the scorpions are there so know how to avoid them. That’s what got them at first, they didn’t know there was a weapon. So this time she came down out of the sun and they couldn’t see her until too late.

I agree and it could've been done that way but you got to ask yourself, how did she not see a freaking FLEET from the air?

Chaka-Z0
May 13th, 2019, 04:38 PM
I'm curious how they are going to handle her dragon when Mom gets beheaded.

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 04:40 PM
I'm curious how they are going to handle her dragon when Mom gets beheaded.it's not uncommon for dogs to accept new masters

lopo30
May 13th, 2019, 06:07 PM
I think we’ll likely see Arya being the one to kill Dany. She’s already within the city walls


Where did she ride with the horse in the end ? Cruise around the city to see sights ? :D

Skydiver
May 13th, 2019, 06:33 PM
Where did she ride with the horse in the end ? Cruise around the city to see sights ? :D
I would imagine for someone that’d been tossed around, trampled and almost fried, riding a horse was a quicker and easier way to get out of the mass of baked bodies she was surrounded with

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 06:55 PM
btw why tf did Tyrion betray Varys? https://forum-images.hardware.fr/icones/smilies/heink.gif

Skydiver
May 13th, 2019, 07:24 PM
btw why tf did Tyrion betray Varys? https://forum-images.hardware.fr/icones/smilies/heink.gif

Tyrion honestly believed Dany was the best queen and Varys needed to be stopped before he ‘ruined’ things by putting Jon in her place - or the civil war that would start.

Tyrion learned that he was wrong and Varys was smarter than he gave him credit for.

Varys looked at things dispassionately and logically, Tyrion let his emotions get in the way.

SoulReaver
May 13th, 2019, 07:28 PM
Tyrion honestly believed Dany was the best queenthen why did Tyrion reveal the truth about Jon to Varys

Skydiver
May 13th, 2019, 08:28 PM
then why did Tyrion reveal the truth about Jon to Varys

I think it was a ‘houston we have a problem’ moment. You always want to get ahead of the story, know what skeletons are in the closet.

SoulReaver
May 14th, 2019, 06:04 AM
I think it was a ‘houston we have a problem’ moment. You always want to get ahead of the story, know what skeletons are in the closet.
but of all people Tyrion knows Varys best he knew hell would break loose if he told Varys so if he really served Dany then Varys is the last person he'd have trusted with such intel

Chaka-Z0
May 14th, 2019, 06:37 AM
I think it was a ‘houston we have a problem’ moment. You always want to get ahead of the story, know what skeletons are in the closet.

A 'woops I've just told the office gossiper my most prized secret' moment? The guy is called the master of whisperer lol.

This is Tyrion we're talking about, you really think he would've done such a mistake?

As a fan of the show I honestly feel betrayed, it's almost if Season 8 was written during a bus commute and Michael Bay revised the whole thing adding random explosions scenes.

Do you genuinely believe that made sense or are you trying to find sense?

SoulReaver
May 14th, 2019, 11:05 AM
hey anyone else get Darth Daeneris vibes out of this?

"Daenerys! you were the chosen one! it was said you would destroy the Wheel no join it!"

Skydiver
May 14th, 2019, 11:40 AM
A 'woops I've just told the office gossiper my most prized secret' moment? The guy is called the master of whisperer lol.


Do you genuinely believe that made sense or are you trying to find sense?

I think Tyrion was trying to talk it out and deal with the info. Who else would he tell? Grey Worm? Nah, dude wouldn’t care or know the ramifications. Davos? no. Who else was there? He already knew how Jon felt and honestly if anyone messed up it was Jon. If Jon REALLY didn’t want the throne he should have sworn Bran to secrecy and kept his mouth shut. He already had enough to deal with figuring out he was getting jiggy with his aunt. But even there he either kept up the incest or told her. She was not going to understand why their blossoming relationship had to come to an immediate halt.

Jon was in a lose/lose, which put Tyrion in a lose/lose. Varys just gleefully reached for a better solution than the ‘roll the dice and see if she’s sane’ Targaryen.

You can blame Sansa for not keeping the secret but the initial blame is on Jon. And I think he was quite deliberate in telling people, even if it was unconsciously so. I think he saw her madness, saw her potential, but didn’t want to ‘see’ it. I think he was hoping others would take care of things for him, or that he could control Dany and that she’d pull it back and turn back into the woman he met at the wall. Instead she does dark side.

SoulReaver
May 14th, 2019, 12:33 PM
Who else would he tell?anyone but the world's top game player? (after Petyr)
that's still assuming Tyrion loyal to Dany & didn't want to compromise her of course

Chaka-Z0
May 14th, 2019, 05:46 PM
Tyrion knew he was busted bc Dany found out about Sansa telling him, could very well be she told others then others, making the culprit impossible to find.

Tyrion snitched Varys for no reason.

Platschu
May 14th, 2019, 06:32 PM
"The Bells" sounds right as a fitting title : :shame: :shame: :shame: :shame: :shame:

I am pretty sure this is not just a master troll episode, but it was also the biggest franchise killer ever in the history of television. There is no way that viewers will watch the spin-off after this.

And as I have read in a YouTube comment, try to imagine all those parents who named their daugters as Dany, Daenerys or Khaleesi.

Sandor is a Hungarian name and it is written as "Sándor" with "á" which is like "aa". His nickname is "Sanyi" in Hungarian. (János was also a Hungarian name what is equal to John.)

And these writers will write the next Star Wars movies. Oh dear... That franchise is also bleeding out without help.

SoulReaver
May 15th, 2019, 04:53 AM
There is no way that viewers will watch the spin-off after thisactually D&D wont be in charge of those

Skydiver
May 15th, 2019, 04:58 AM
I will give the writers some slack because they were given the impossible task of taking 7 years of story and wrapping it up in about 7 hours. It’d be like taking Harry Potter and making them condense Deathly Hallows into a 30 minute tv special.

but this will go down as yet another ‘rushed to the finish’ series finale.

Shame on HBO for boxing them into only 6 episodes. That’s where a good chunk of the blame lies. And HBO likely doesn’t care. they’ve made their money, even if fans find the last season dire, they still got paid and will make enough (probably already have) to offset the cost of the season.

SoulReaver
May 15th, 2019, 06:20 AM
from what I heard HBO was willing to spit out more money & it's the writers themselves who said they'd only need 6 episodes :tealcanime49:

P-90_177
May 15th, 2019, 06:22 AM
I will give the writers some slack because they were given the impossible task of taking 7 years of story and wrapping it up in about 7 hours. It’d be like taking Harry Potter and making them condense Deathly Hallows into a 30 minute tv special.

but this will go down as yet another ‘rushed to the finish’ series finale.

Shame on HBO for boxing them into only 6 episodes. That’s where a good chunk of the blame lies. And HBO likely doesn’t care. they’ve made their money, even if fans find the last season dire, they still got paid and will make enough (probably already have) to offset the cost of the season.

Unfortunately that's not quite the case, Sky. Benioff and Weiss were the ones who asked for the two final short seasons because they want to move on to other projects. HBO have even said that GoT could go on for ten seasons if they wanted but it's Benioff's and Weiss' choice to end it here.

DigiFluid
May 15th, 2019, 06:34 AM
I will give the writers some slack because they were given the impossible task of taking 7 years of story and wrapping it up in about 7 hours. It’d be like taking Harry Potter and making them condense Deathly Hallows into a 30 minute tv special.

but this will go down as yet another ‘rushed to the finish’ series finale.

Shame on HBO for boxing them into only 6 episodes. That’s where a good chunk of the blame lies. And HBO likely doesn’t care. they’ve made their money, even if fans find the last season dire, they still got paid and will make enough (probably already have) to offset the cost of the season.

HBO wanted 10 seasons. Benioff and Weiss said no.

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 06:58 AM
In short, they got rich and they got out. That's not going to leave a good impression on the fans for sure.

Skydiver
May 15th, 2019, 08:26 AM
well there we go. Laid on their laps then

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 12:35 PM
I just figured that Varys attempted to poison Dany via the kiddo he told to get back to the kitchen. Greater the risk, greater the reward.

P-90_177
May 15th, 2019, 01:23 PM
I just figured that Varys attempted to poison Dany via the kiddo he told to get back to the kitchen. Greater the risk, greater the reward.

Oh crap! Of course. That makes sense. Could... Could Tyrion be in on that? With Varys sacrificing himself so that Tyrion could prove himself to Dany for just a little longer?

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 01:28 PM
Oh crap! Of course. That makes sense. Could... Could Tyrion be in on that? With Varys sacrificing himself so that Tyrion could prove himself to Dany for just a little longer?

That'd be an interesting twist. Although I now recall Tyrion asking Varys "don't do it" when he implies Dany should be outted, I'd say unlikely. Tyrion is def. going down next episode though.

Dany's face looked very weird too when Tyrion tells her, maybe it's the poison?

Platschu
May 15th, 2019, 02:14 PM
He was also writing letters about the truth of John's real parents. I believe the child was meant to send away his "texts" with raven to everywhere, so the news would have been spread far away, so Dany has realised she has lost anyway.

By the way.... Varys was the one who hired that winemaker in season 1, who wanted to poison Dany if you remember. Later she asked him about it, but they have gone through this action really quickly.

The poision is a good idea as they have said she hasn't accepted any food. But I believe his real actions were the letters. And I am sure he has sent a few out already with ravens.

If the show would be realistic, then Varys would have been executed together with Tyrion. And maybe Dany would have tried to kill John as well. If he dies then her position couldn't be in danger at all with or without the truth of John.

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 02:53 PM
Well the 7 seasons of character dev were burned along the red keep so I half-expected to see Varys leading the vanguard on the final assault.

Besides, Varys acted on orders from Robert in season one, and, I theorized that he knew the plan would fail. Remember that it is Varys himself who along with Illyrio smuggled Dany and Viserys to Essox in the first place. Think about it, Jorah was his pawn he could've killed Dany anytime he wanted, but the Spider just wanted to keep eyes on her.
Edit: also quite convenient that Jorah saved Dany from drinking the wine eh?

Also it is canon that Targaryen and other Valyrians were different breed of men with their specific charastic traits. It is also canon that they are immune to most poisons AND illnesses that affect Andalos (the ppl of Westoros). Considering this was s01 stuff it has to follow Martin's canon. In 300 years of fire and blood Rhaena Targaryen loses all her friends and relatives on Dragonstone when her husband poisons the whole Garrison. Rhaena did not, it was flower of lys which was the same found in the wine in s01.

Teddybrown
May 15th, 2019, 04:07 PM
I think Danys face in that scene was just to mirror the mad king.

SoulReaver
May 15th, 2019, 04:14 PM
Besides, Varys acted on orders from Robert in season one, and, I theorized that he knew the plan would fail. Remember that it is Varys himself who along with Illyrio smuggled Dany and Viserys to Essox in the first place. Think about it, Jorah was his pawn he could've killed Dany anytime he wanted, but the Spider just wanted to keep eyes on her.
Edit: also quite convenient that Jorah saved Dany from drinking the wine eh?too convenient since there were many ways this could've failed (succeeded): what if Jorah had been held up & arrived just a few seconds too late to stop the wine merchant

when all Varys had to do was not send the order to poison Dany (and then pretend that he did send the order, but that it failed), or send the order to put a placebo in the wine (and pretend it was real poison but that it failed) etc. basically foolproof plans
instead of telling the merchant to put real poison where the risk of success was very real

also (in the books) when Robert does consider a failsafe way to kill Dany (faceless men) it's not Varys but Littlefinger who convinces Robert to drop it
it's as if Littlefinger was the real Dany supporter there


Also it is canon that Targaryen and other Valyrians were different breed of men with their specific charastic traits. It is also canon that they are immune to most poisons AND illnesses that affect Andalos (the ppl of Westoros). Considering this was s01 stuff it has to follow Martin's canon. In 300 years of fire and blood Rhaena Targaryen loses all her friends and relatives on Dragonstone when her husband poisons the whole Garrison. Rhaena did not, it was flower of lys which was the same found in the wine in s01.then why was Varys trying to poison Dany in s8

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 04:47 PM
then why was Varys trying to poison Dany in s8

Either that was his last resort move since there was no time and remember all the stories about Targs are mostly tales and legends so maybe he wasn't sure if it was true.

Or just bad writing so let's not discount that. Tyrion has been totally random since S7.

As for Robert, clearly simply lying wouldn't work, Kings have many informers, spies spying on spies. Varys isn't a fool and he's been playing the game since the very beginning.

SoulReaver
May 15th, 2019, 05:15 PM
As for Robert, clearly simply lying wouldn't work, Kings have many informers, spies spying on spies. and guess who's the chief spy of all spies

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 05:54 PM
and guess who's the chief spy of all spies

Varys and his birds of course. But dude everyone can spy on anyone, LF did for one.

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 05:54 PM
And I mean I could totally be wrong, just a theory

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 05:58 PM
BTW idk if anyone noticed but Varys is the only guy we've seen burned alive, silently.

I thought it was odd or maybe he just got cooked right off (he got shot point blank). Or perhaps he is... a GOD!?

SoulReaver
May 15th, 2019, 07:51 PM
Varys and his birds of course. But dude everyone can spy on anyone, LF did for one.
Varys is one of the few LF respects
and Roberts spends more time hunting & drinking than being a king safe to say he's not the type to keep an eye on the clockwork
if anything his hand would do that & guess who his hand was - Ned who opposed the assassination attempt on Dany



BTW idk if anyone noticed but Varys is the only guy we've seen burned alive, silently.

I thought it was odd or maybe he just got cooked right off (he got shot point blank). Or perhaps he is... a GOD!?other humans have been shot point blank they continued moving & screaming

for a moment I thought maybe he could be from a high valyrian house too hence his name ending in "ys"

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 09:32 PM
Well we saw Dragonfire is the new rail guns of GOT blowing up castles and stuff so fair to say getting a direct hit at point blank is on the level of a nuclear explosion.

Chaka-Z0
May 15th, 2019, 09:33 PM
(somehow Balerion only melted Harrenhal whereas Drogon has tomahawk missiles)

SoulReaver
May 16th, 2019, 04:12 PM
(somehow Balerion only melted Harrenhal whereas Drogon has tomahawk missiles)tomahawk missiles that don't melt stone

btw that fire should've at least thrown the Night King back with its kinetic effect (especially since NK was thrown off Viserion with just a kick from Jon lol)


btw ever since end of season 7 I've had my own theory on how GoT could end (suffice to say it's so farfetched outrageous subversive & overall hardcore even GRRM would never dare go there yet it's also plausible) now it's doubtful the show will have anything like that but it just so happens there's a petition to have HBO hire decent writers & rewrite season 8 - anyone signed yet? (if only to voice discontent)

Chaka-Z0
May 16th, 2019, 05:27 PM
but it just so happens there's a petition to have HBO hire decent writers & rewrite season 8 - anyone signed yet? (if only to voice discontent)

The d&d walking hams were willing to pull the plug bc they got bored. Not halfway, but like 2-3 seasons before end and 7 seasons in. If you think about it they didn't write anything until s06 and prolly realised they were two clueless seals unable to draw a stick figure.

I'd love nothing more, but you can bet they rigged that series with fineprints.

Brother Freyr
May 19th, 2019, 08:50 PM
from what I heard HBO was willing to spit out more money & it's the writers themselves who said they'd only need 6 episodes :tealcanime49:


Unfortunately that's not quite the case, Sky. Benioff and Weiss were the ones who asked for the two final short seasons because they want to move on to other projects. HBO have even said that GoT could go on for ten seasons if they wanted but it's Benioff's and Weiss' choice to end it here.


HBO wanted 10 seasons. Benioff and Weiss said no.

$#%@. I had accepted with equanimity a headlong rush toward the finish line because I believed it was driven by the "business" part of show business -- a financial decision. Somehow I found that easier to accept.

I'm minutes away from watching the finale, so I'll try to put this out of my mind.

P-90_177
May 20th, 2019, 12:43 AM
$#%@. I had accepted with equanimity a headlong rush toward the finish line because I believed it was driven by the "business" part of show business -- a financial decision. Somehow I found that easier to accept.

I'm minutes away from watching the finale, so I'll try to put this out of my mind.

Yeah I was the same before I read up on things a bit.

To a certain extent I still don't blame them. As a writer there's nothing worse than working on a project you don't have a passion for anymore. I think they ultimately handled it badly. For whatever reason. Chasing that next paycheck. Just feeling too enthused about their newer ideas. But at the end of the day it's a very rare thing to have a satisfying final season in any tv show. Most shows have mediocre final seasons and mediocre to disappointing series finales. It's just one of those things that seems too common in television. I actually think I can name the number of properly good planned finales on one hand(as opposed to shows that have been cancelled and didn't receive a proper send off) . Possibly ten at most without really starting to struggle.

SoulReaver
May 20th, 2019, 06:34 AM
$#%@. I had accepted with equanimity a headlong rush toward the finish line because I believed it was driven by the "business" part of show business -- a financial decision. Somehow I found that easier to accept.more of a reason to end their careers
if viewers can contribute to this