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Skydiver
May 5th, 2019, 07:15 PM
So one relationship seems to be on the rocks, another develops, but may face a tragic end. We lost another dragon and it seems loyalties are well and truly divided.

Jon canít keep his mouth shut and he canít learn one lesson of leadership - sometimes itís what you donít say that matters most.

We do have confirmation that Cersei is preggers - although whose baby it is may be anyoneís guess.

We see more of Danyís dark side, her insecurity may ultimately be her undoing.

Tyrion seems to be devoted, but I wonder if it blinds him to the truth?

Varys may ultimately be the greatest wild card - one with loyalty to the kingdom, not the person on the throne.

Poor Mesande. Ultimately all Cersei has done is really, really tick them off.

Teddybrown
May 6th, 2019, 02:52 AM
Feels like they're moving the pieces to their final positions. Is that the last we've seen of some characters...

Wasnt expecting to lose another dragon, that was a suprise. First Jorah, now another dragon and Mesande. How long before she goes full mad king? At least Jamies coming back South but is that the end of him and Brienne...

Only two episodes left :( and this will be the only episode Ill have to spoiler dodge all day and not watch as soon as I wake up...

Skydiver
May 6th, 2019, 04:52 AM
I wonder if weíre working back full circle....We have a new king slayer in Arya, what if Cersei dies in child birth and that child is spirited away to be the new storm born? We get a new king on the throne - Gendry is my pick personally, Arya the King Slayer as his hand. Jamie spiriting his (maybe) child off to save it, thus coming up with a tragic ending for Brienne. Jon goes up north to man the wall (ala Aemon Targaryen...whoever was the first commander when he got there) and the game is basically reset for the next round in 20 years or so (minus the white walkers)

Who Knows
May 6th, 2019, 05:06 AM
Opened well enough, honoring their dead, and you could actually see the whole episode.
But the celebrations/feast after the opening dragged on for too long in my opinion.

Jamie is off to see Cersei, so maybe he will be the one to kill her, as per the proficy.
But Arya & the Hound are also heading to Kingslanding separate from the main group, so could Arya, the faceless assassin, turn up as Jamie or Tyrion and be the valonquor? (The plot, like mother's gravy, thickens)

I was a bit confused by the loss of the dragon. Why didn't it go kamikaze after the first spear & go down breathing fire all over Euron? And didn't Tyrion's ships have any weapons to fight back against Euron? They are sailing to Kingslanding to fight a war unarmed?

SoulReaver
May 6th, 2019, 06:00 AM
serious aiming skills from Euron the king of the sea

Dany must seriously regret she locked up Viserion & Rhaegon back in Mereen if she hadn't they'd both be bigger & better armoured just like Drogon & would probably still be alive

lopo30
May 6th, 2019, 06:05 AM
Was Mesande teleported to Euron's chip ? They didnt get that close to them to get her.
This episode was just bad. 1 sex scene ends to start with other. Then we have long talks of useless text with people drama. The Jon talk with hes family and when the most interesting part comes out of that then they just flp the picture to some other drama and no reactions from these 2 girl to see what they say for knowing he's real name.

Tyrions ships looked like they were just transport ships and not made for sea battle.

SoulReaver
May 6th, 2019, 06:21 AM
here's for a good quiz: on a scale of Sansa to Eddard how good are you at keeping a secret?

Teddybrown
May 6th, 2019, 10:53 AM
Did anyone spot House Starbucks? :P

Those hits on the dragon were in quite quick succession and the placements meant it couldnt really fly anymore. Chest, wing and throat = pretty much taken out.

Brother Freyr
May 6th, 2019, 11:18 AM
There's a minute when Cersei stands beside Missandei and grasps her harm. I wish that Missandei could have shoved Cersei from the parapets and saved everyone the bother of more battles. (I don't really wish it. We need to fill two more episodes.)

SoulReaver
May 6th, 2019, 11:28 AM
Did anyone spot House Starbucks? :Pthat'd be Starkbucks


There's a minute when Cersei stands beside Missandei and grasps her harm. I wish that Missandei could have shoved Cersei from the parapets and saved everyone the bother of more battles. (I don't really wish it. We need to fill two more episodes.)Missandei episode 2: "our people are peaceful"

an understatement apparently (maybe her people are related to the Nox?)

Brother Freyr
May 6th, 2019, 12:23 PM
Did anyone else's thoughts snap to the following problem when Rhaegal died?

It would be difficult to convince the Westerosi nobility of Jon's claim to the throne (should he want it). There's little evidence to prove that Jon's parentage is anything but a convenient story. The high septon's journal is persuasive IF the Citadel validates and disseminates the septon's account. Bran's testimony is authoritative only to those who understand what Bran is and want to believe him. People who don't want to believe Bran will say that he's lying for his brother.

The dragons are different.

Rhaegal was visible, persuasive evidence of Jon's Targaryen blood. Both dragons liked him. Rhaegal accepted him as a lone rider. Rhaegal sensed what Jon wanted as a rider, just as Drogon does for Daenerys. (or so it appeared, and it would have been otherwise stupid to put Jon on Rhaegal for the Battle of Winterfell.) People could see Jon's ability with dragons as confirmation that he's a Targaryen. Now his most powerful evidence is gone.

These were my thoughts a few seconds after saying "Oh no!" "Oh f**k", "Oh, poor Dany."

Brother Freyr
May 6th, 2019, 12:25 PM
that'd be Starkbucks

Missandei episode 2: "our people are peaceful"Missandei episode 4: "dracarys"

Teddybrown
May 6th, 2019, 12:56 PM
Missandei episode 4: "dracarys"

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lopo30
May 6th, 2019, 02:10 PM
I am sure that there city civilians will be some magic Daenerys army as civilians that were packed in that city long ago to fight from the inside. There are so much about few of the last episodes where everyone have some crazy super powers.

SoulReaver
May 6th, 2019, 02:53 PM
People could see Jon's ability with dragons as confirmation that he's a Targaryen. Now his most powerful evidence is gone.at best it proves he's a valyrian not a Targaryen specifically
could be a Targaryen or Blackfyre or one of the greater valyrian houses

and he could still ride Drogon


Missandei episode 4: "dracarys"alrite so dragons ain't peaceful

SoulReaver
May 6th, 2019, 03:10 PM
btw why didn't Jon at least pet his doggy for a proper goodbye?

Skydiver
May 6th, 2019, 03:44 PM
btw why didn't Jon at least pet his doggy for a proper goodbye?

Bet itís budgetary. Cheaper to just have Ghost there, much more expensive to have Jon interact with him.

SoulReaver
May 6th, 2019, 03:57 PM
Bet itís budgetary. Cheaper to just have Ghost there, much more expensive to have Jon interact with him.if this were the first few seasons this would be a decent excuse but in season 8 they must've had a bigger budget

plus those cheap f's already offed Rhaegon for budget reasons

Teddybrown
May 6th, 2019, 04:25 PM
Yeah, that whole goodbye was a bit flat. Also, who has Sams valyrian steel sword as it was with Jorah last?

Chaka-Z0
May 6th, 2019, 08:59 PM
Great episode, the dragon's death was a surprise. Glad there's still a bit of unexpected left. Jaime will become the QueenSlayer.

Saddest goodbye was Ghost poor doggy lost an ear and then had to leave crumbled in CGI debts.

Brother Freyr
May 6th, 2019, 09:40 PM
at best it proves he's a valyrian not a Targaryen specifically
could be a Targaryen or Blackfyre or one of the greater valyrian houses My concern was how to convince people of who Jon's parents were. In Westeros, it was the Targaryens who flew dragons. Westerosi are more likely to believe that Jon's a Targaryen if they see him riding a dragon.


and he could still ride DrogonDaenerys might have something to say about that. :)

Skydiver
May 7th, 2019, 05:06 AM
Or not. One thing people may be discounting is the intelligence of a dragon. Drogon is certainly loyal to his Ďmotherí, yet he may decided he doesnít like how she is acting and choose another master.

Chaka-Z0
May 7th, 2019, 05:26 AM
BTW, anyone noticed the looks Qyburn and Cersei exchanged when Euron asked if the baby was his? I bet Qyburn pulled some shady magic trick and faked Cersei's pregnancy.

SoulReaver
May 7th, 2019, 06:33 AM
BTW, anyone noticed the looks Qyburn and Cersei exchanged when Euron asked if the baby was his?
would've been funny if Tyrion had just yelled "hey Euron the kid ain't yours!"

we didn't get to see Euron's reaction when Tyrion mentioned Cersei's kid: how could Tyrion have known about it unless it predated her relationship with Euron? (that's what should be going on in Euron's head - seeds of doubt & discord etc.)



btw anyone else got "Mouth of Sauron" vibes from Qyburn?

Chaka-Z0
May 7th, 2019, 06:53 AM
how could Tyrion have known about it unless it predated her relationship with Euron?

Don't forget that Varys has little birds everywhere in Westoros and Essox, I've heard some say he's useless Varys is one of the most powerful character of GoT. He's seeing straight through Daenerys' madness. He has no allegiance, love him.


btw anyone else got "Mouth of Sauron" vibes from Qyburn?

Totally. I think Qyburn is so cool, kinda like a necromancer using science. He always act like he's unimportant but in fact he's a magnificent bastard with an evil plan.

Platschu
May 7th, 2019, 07:31 AM
I have expected that Missandrei will brave and jump from the castle wall instead of giving them the privilage to execute her.

Poor Dany. I am not really a big fan of her character as she is getting more and more arrogant. But if you imagine her situation: she has done many good things in Essos, she raised 3 dragons, she freed the slaves, she has made alliances... Then she was listening to Jon and now she has lost two dragons, two of her close friends (Jorah and Missandrei), her enemies conspired against her. And even her biggest challenger became her lover. So basically she hasn't done anything wrong (except the crucifixations of nobels and execution of Sam's family members). She should not have listened to Tyrion, Jorah, Davos and Varys and now she would have King's Landing. Okay, the army of the Dead would have destroyed Winterfeel, so we know that she had done the right thing to help the North, but it feels a bit unfair how the writers weakened her now.

SoulReaver
May 7th, 2019, 08:17 AM
Don't forget that Varys has little birds everywhere in Westoros and Essox, I've heard some say he's useless Varys is one of the most powerful character of GoT. He's seeing straight through Daenerys' madness. He has no allegiance, love him.this goes against his depiction from the earlier seasons though doesn't it
he (and Illyrio) clearly supported Viserys the Mad King≤ even though he would've known it wasn't "the best for the people of the kingdom" - so did he suddenly have a revelation & become a man of the People or is it just more bad writing


Totally. I think Qyburn is so cool, kinda like a necromancer using science. He always act like he's unimportant but in fact he's a magnificent bastard with an evil plan.wanna bet if (for some reason) Cersei orders Gregor to kill Qyburn Gregor will disobey
no way Qyburn would relinquish total control of his masterpiece to someone else (Gregor obeys Cersei only because Qyburn tells it to)

Chaka-Z0
May 7th, 2019, 08:52 AM
I have expected that Missandrei will brave and jump from the castle wall instead of giving them the privilage to execute her.

Simply put, the writing has been terrible for a while and they had the difficult task to wrap everything up in 6 episodes, I would recommend not trying to find any sense in it. I do appreciate the show for what it is though.

The Dragon's death was a surprise, but horribly orchestrated. Dany couldn't see a bunch of ships from the skies? GRRM also said once a dragon took flight he's nearly impossible to hit, but this one somehow got sniped by Euron's Gatling Guns.


this goes against his depiction from the earlier seasons though doesn't it
he (and Illyrio) clearly supported Viserys the Mad King≤ even though he would've known it wasn't "the best for the people of the kingdom" - so did he suddenly have a revelation & become a man of the People or is it just more bad writing

Varys has been on a straight course since the beginning. The pawns he sent to kill Daenerys was because he didn't want another MK. While MK ruled, he's the one guy that was able to at least temper his actions to a certain extent. He provided cover to Tyrion so Tywin the evil bastard could be killed. He's pulling the strings and isn't afraid to resort to extreme measures to ensure peace in the Realm. Also his backstory explains why he's the man of the people, most of all.


wanna bet if (for some reason) Cersei orders Gregor to kill Qyburn Gregor will disobey
no way Qyburn would relinquish total control of his masterpiece to someone else (Gregor obeys Cersei only because Qyburn tells it to)

Most likely, Gregor is his creature. Qyburn's also in control of the alchemists and their wildfire production. Cersei's a perfect match to give him free reigns to conduct his ''research''.

SoulReaver
May 7th, 2019, 08:56 AM
Varys has been on a straight course since the beginning. The pawns he sent to kill Daenerys was because he didn't want another MK. then he flip flopped & supported her

Chaka-Z0
May 7th, 2019, 09:00 AM
then he flip flopped & supported her

When he saw her become the breaker of chains. Notice as soon as he saw her become a tad wonko about the Throne he implies to Tyrion that an assassination would be appropriate? Varys doesn't f*** around, to quote Doug ''it will keal''.

SoulReaver
May 7th, 2019, 09:22 AM
When he saw her become the breaker of chains. Notice as soon as he saw her become a tad wonko about the Throne he implies to Tyrion that an assassination would be appropriate? Varys doesn't f*** around, to quote Doug ''it will keal''.then why did he support Viserys in s1
that's like Aerys bis

Chaka-Z0
May 7th, 2019, 09:59 AM
then why did he support Viserys in s1
that's like Aerys bis

Because Lannisters & Starks were headed for a civil war, North vs South, that's no good for the realm. Also remember that they saved Aegon from death (in the show it's Jon) in order to re-establish a Targaryen Dynasty, so it was all part of the plan for Aegon to take over Vyseris or Dany eventually since he's got a better claim.

SoulReaver
May 7th, 2019, 10:16 AM
Because Lannisters & Starks were headed for a civil war, North vs South, that's no good for the realm. Also remember that they saved Aegon from death (in the show it's Jon) in order to re-establish a Targaryen Dynasty, so it was all part of the plan for Aegon to take over Vyseris or Dany eventually since he's got a better claim.
if Viserys got on the throne no way he'd give it to Jon he'd roast him alive first lol

Chaka-Z0
May 7th, 2019, 10:28 AM
if Viserys got on the throne no way he'd give it to Jon he'd roast him alive first lol

Obviously. Viserys was just a pawn to achieve the establishment of a Targaryen dynasty, which as Varys said is the only period of time that Westoros had solid peace for many years. Technically Aegon IV was to remain incognito until the timing was right to snatch the Throne.

(he's the son of Rhaegar and Elia Martell I told you about, and fun fact the Dornishmen never bent the knee to even Aegon the Conqueror, they always remained independent, so he was the key to subdue the whole 7 Kingdoms and not just 6 like Aegon the C. did).

Teddybrown
May 7th, 2019, 11:56 AM
Just a word of warning, apparently a clip from the final episode has been leaked.

Platschu
May 7th, 2019, 02:41 PM
It is nearly impossible to shot a flying dragon from a moving ship. I also didn't like how they killed Rhaegal, but he was clearly protecting Drogon and Daenerys from that angle as his body shielded them. Talking about shields. I hope they put some armor on the last dragon...

The distance was also weird in the CGI sequence. They were flying way too high up, then the ships were really far from each other, but then they have gone really close the walls of King's Landing. Probably Euron's tentacle shaped crossbow was much larger.

Just one more random thought. Are you aware that the Stark dynasty has died out? If Jon accepted as Targaryen if even Sansa or Arya will be married (what I doubt), then they won't be able to keep the Stark name. And I am guessing Bran has got ED after the spine injury.

Brother Freyr
May 7th, 2019, 07:24 PM
It is near impossible to shot a flying dragon from a moving ship.
Also, their velocity was crazy high. There was way too much energy behind them. They tore through ships (and Rhaegal) as if they were propelled by rocket fuel.

Platschu
May 7th, 2019, 11:28 PM
Not to mention three times in a row. Then they have missed Dany while she was in the near with Drogon. But anyway the story was still entertaining.

I can only hope the end won't be as bad as the LOST was.

SoulReaver
May 8th, 2019, 05:32 AM
a much closer range shot only did superficial damage to Drogon though he's bigger & better armoured than his brothers
(it almost killed Dany though she could've easily fallen off)

Chaka-Z0
May 8th, 2019, 06:54 AM
*Lifts finger in the air*

According to Fire & Blood - A history of Targaryen Kings in Westoros Rhaenys Targaryen, Aegon's sister and 2nd wife, died during the First Dornish War in 10 AC when her dragon Meraxes got struck in the eye by a lucky scorpion hit mounted on top of a tower with a bolt that was 1 yard long.

So yea, killing a dragon up in the air like that is quite unlikely.

SoulReaver
May 8th, 2019, 07:15 AM
Euron levelled up (again) since last season

+10 boost to Accuracy & Ranged attacks