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LtColCarter
December 12th, 2018, 10:04 AM
8 Questions Raised by "Crisis on Infinite Earths" Announcement (https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/12/12/arrowverse-crisis-on-infinite-earths-crossover-fall-2019-questions-theories/)

So, what do you guys think the announcement of Crisis on Infinite Earths being brought to the Arrowverse?

jelgate
December 12th, 2018, 10:59 AM
I think its ambitious

Teddybrown
December 12th, 2018, 12:55 PM
Im intruiged as Im unfamiliar with the storyline

LtColCarter
December 12th, 2018, 01:05 PM
Oh it brings up a lot of stuff. It was in comic books back in the day. I was surprised when I saw it...and as Jel says...it is quite an ambitious undertaking.

I just wonder if all of the characters mentioned in Crisis will be used? That will significantly expand the Arrowverse!

Gen. Chris
December 30th, 2018, 02:16 AM
I just wonder if all of the characters mentioned in Crisis will be used? That will significantly expand the Arrowverse!

Might be issues with that, but they have managed to make due with what they CAN use in the shows.

It will probably just be a mish-mash of all five shows (it would be cool if Black Lightning was involved in any capacity)

DigiFluid
September 19th, 2019, 09:29 AM
Already announced guests/crossovers...
- The Flash / Legends of Tomorrow / Supergirl / Batwoman
- Black Lightning
- Brandon Routh's Superman from Superman Returns
- Kevin Conroy as an older Bruce Wayne
- Burt Ward

And just half an hour ago, it was announced...Tom Welling will be appearing as Clark Kent as well! (https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/19/tom-welling-smallville-crisis-on-infinite-earths-arrowverse/)

jelgate
September 19th, 2019, 10:04 AM
This is either going to be the best crossover ever or its going to flop badly

DigiFluid
September 20th, 2019, 10:17 AM
And now Erica Durance as Lois Lane, too.

https://deadline.com/2019/09/erica-durance-reprise-smallville-lois-lane-role-arrowverse-crossover-the-cw-1202739723/

Gatefan1976
September 20th, 2019, 02:50 PM
And now Erica Durance as Lois Lane, too.

https://deadline.com/2019/09/erica-durance-reprise-smallville-lois-lane-role-arrowverse-crossover-the-cw-1202739723/

Just waiting for Michael Rosenbaum to be Lex!!

DigiFluid
September 21st, 2019, 04:48 AM
I'm actually kind of hoping for a Clancy Brown Lex Luthor appearance....

Mrja84
September 26th, 2019, 06:14 AM
As much I enjoy the reveal of the guests, I would prefer it if the news wasn't circling the webs like a batch of crabs. But it's hard to block all news of Crisis.

DigiFluid
September 27th, 2019, 03:26 AM
The actress who played Huntress in the short-lived Birds of Prey series (2002) will be reprising the role for Crisis

https://www.cbr.com/birds-of-prey-ashley-scott-huntress-crisis-on-infinite-earths/

LtColCarter
September 27th, 2019, 10:03 AM
I also saw that Lynda Carter was tapped to reprise her role as Wonder Woman.



Lynda Carter May Reprise Wonder Woman Role in Arrowverse's Crisis (https://www.cbr.com/lynda-carter-wonder-woman-crisis-on-infinite-earths-arrowverse/?fbclid=IwAR3GJNT8dB9tyrqCjoq4ZDM4nt4lkdM-y_5n96m5XZJVJ6-PJb7vDba3wjI)

LtColCarter
October 10th, 2019, 09:30 AM
Well...the new seasons have started! :-)

LtColCarter
December 3rd, 2019, 07:34 AM
This coming Sunday 12/8/19...the Crisis starts on Supergirl. I noticed that Batwoman was moved to 12/9 for part 2...and part 3 takes place on Flash (12/10).

DigiFluid
December 3rd, 2019, 07:59 AM
This coming Sunday 12/8/19...the Crisis starts on Supergirl. I noticed that Batwoman was moved to 12/9 for part 2...and part 3 takes place on Flash (12/10).

And there was a little tease at the end of Batwoman 108, too!

Teddybrown
December 3rd, 2019, 09:03 AM
I'm behind but have seen bits, I need to find out how to watch Batwoman here in the UK...

Trailer looks awesome though!


https://youtu.be/hwh1koMSlHY

Annoyed
December 3rd, 2019, 09:06 AM
I intend on watching this; I just hope it's not too much swiss cheese because I I don't watch all the arrowverse shows. I watch Supergirl, Batwoman and Legends. Also, I've gathered that "Crisis" is a freestanding story also existing in comics, etc.

I hope it's made so that it's self-contained, you don't have to have prior / existing knowledge of all the shows involved.

Teddybrown
December 3rd, 2019, 09:14 AM
My guess is it'll be Arrow heavy but contained as its one of the last episodes of Arrow

Gatefan1976
December 6th, 2019, 05:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9cZNSb7C6k

DigiFluid
December 6th, 2019, 06:52 PM
Marc Guggenheim on Twitter just now (https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/1203159939625058304?s=20) responding to the question "how many unannounced characters will be in crisis about?"

"At least 6 in the first three hours."

Gatefan1976
December 6th, 2019, 07:34 PM
The CW has never disappointed me with crossovers.
Some might be "meh" such as the first arrow/flash one, or flash/Supergirl one, but they have never been actually BAD. If they can pull off something better than Elseworlds, then I would be asking them to take the helm of the future of the DCMU.
Just don't do what marvel did and kill off it's Netflix shows. (CW equivalent) Daredevil and the punisher were damn brilliant and the actors really did not deserve to be killed in the marvel crossfire.

Teddybrown
December 7th, 2019, 04:21 PM
https://youtu.be/TKLb4eP0lvg

Another trailer, I'm not up to date on characters appearing so this trailer may reveal someone.

jelgate
December 8th, 2019, 05:13 PM
Part 1 was pretty great. Was surprised of his much action in part 1. Goodbye Earth 38. I refuse to believe Oliver is gone

Gatefan1976
December 8th, 2019, 05:20 PM
Part 1 was pretty great. Was surprised of his much action in part 1. Goodbye Earth 38. I refuse to believe Oliver is gone

I have to wait a few hours yet. :(

jelgate
December 8th, 2019, 05:21 PM
That is why I left the spoiler tags. I think you will be wowed

Annoyed
December 8th, 2019, 05:32 PM
I'm thinking about DVR'ing the 5 parts and waiting till next year to watch the whole thing.

Teddybrown
December 9th, 2019, 11:33 AM
Part one is great, cant wait for tonight's! So glad I've found a solution to my watching problem ;)

Annoyed
December 10th, 2019, 06:38 PM
I did start watching this now. Guess I'll rewatch 1-3 before they air 4-5 next year.

As I feared, it relies a great deal on the viewer being familiar with the other arrowverse shows. There's far too much backstory that I'm obviously missing.

But I am getting a kick from the numerous homages and lines outright lifted from the Alexander Salkind Superman movies back in the eighties and even before that.

Gatefan1976
December 10th, 2019, 07:11 PM
I did start watching this now. Guess I'll rewatch 1-3 before they air 4-5 next year.

As I feared, it relies a great deal on the viewer being familiar with the other arrowverse shows. There's far too much backstory that I'm obviously missing.

But I am getting a kick from the numerous homages and lines outright lifted from the Alexander Salkind Superman movies back in the eighties and even before that.

It's really only Arrow and flash you have to know, simply because they have been speaking about "the crisis" for their whole half seasons. (and sorta since elseworlds, off and on)
Legends skipped elseworlds, and batwoman was hardly in it. Supergirl has hardly mentioned crisis at all.
Even then, they are not really "required viewing", but Arrow certainly puts things into perspective.
If I were to choose something to keep up on, it would be Arrow as this is the last season.

Annoyed
December 11th, 2019, 04:11 AM
It's really only Arrow and flash you have to know, simply because they have been speaking about "the crisis" for their whole half seasons. (and sorta since elseworlds, off and on)
Legends skipped elseworlds, and batwoman was hardly in it. Supergirl has hardly mentioned crisis at all.
Even then, they are not really "required viewing", but Arrow certainly puts things into perspective.
If I were to choose something to keep up on, it would be Arrow as this is the last season.

I've never watched Arrow or The Flash. Only ones I ever got into were Supergirl, Legends and Batwoman.

jelgate
December 11th, 2019, 05:07 PM
Their is that risk of allienating some fans but I think the majority watch all the Arrowverse shows. And the ratings for crossovers speak for themselves

Gatefan1976
December 12th, 2019, 01:01 AM
I've never watched Arrow or The Flash. Only ones I ever got into were Supergirl, Legends and Batwoman.

Why?

Annoyed
December 12th, 2019, 05:18 AM
Why?
Overall, I don't like the modern trend of heroes being team efforts, rather than the story of the hero or heroine doing things pretty much on their own.

For example, in the eighties, there was a TV show called "Knight Rider". The opening narration was "Knight Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous world of man who does not exist. Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless in a world of criminals who operate above the law."

And that's what it was; he was mostly out on his own, fighting the bad guys and hitting on the damsel in distress of the week, with resources of an organization known as F.L.A.G. The only contacts he had with this group was Devon Miles, his handler, and either Bonnie or April as the hot chick mechanic who maintained K.I.T.T., the talking supercar.

in 2008, someone tried a remake of that, but instead of that formula, Micheal was now directly assisted by a group of people back at base and sometimes in the field with him. Totally destroyed the very nature of the show. It failed after 1 season, I think.

The Arrowverse shows are all the group effort types as far as I can tell. I began watching SG due to it being part of the Superman franchise, picked up Legends along the way, mostly 'cause of Mick Rory, and Batwoman when it started. I don't yet know which way BW is going to go, it seems to be keeping her circle of assistants to the modern version of "Alfred" to some degree.

PS: And K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac Trans Am, not a freakin' Ford. :D

P-90_177
December 12th, 2019, 06:24 AM
Overall, I don't like the modern trend of heroes being team efforts, rather than the story of the hero or heroine doing things pretty much on their own.

For example, in the eighties, there was a TV show called "Knight Rider". The opening narration was "Knight Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous world of man who does not exist. Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless in a world of criminals who operate above the law."

And that's what it was; he was mostly out on his own, fighting the bad guys and hitting on the damsel in distress of the week, with resources of an organization known as F.L.A.G. The only contacts he had with this group was Devon Miles, his handler, and either Bonnie or April as the hot chick mechanic who maintained K.I.T.T., the talking supercar.

in 2008, someone tried a remake of that, but instead of that formula, Micheal was now directly assisted by a group of people back at base and sometimes in the field with him. Totally destroyed the very nature of the show. It failed after 1 season, I think.

The Arrowverse shows are all the group effort types as far as I can tell. I began watching SG due to it being part of the Superman franchise, picked up Legends along the way, mostly 'cause of Mick Rory, and Batwoman when it started. I don't yet know which way BW is going to go, it seems to be keeping her circle of assistants to the modern version of "Alfred" to some degree.

PS: And K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac Trans Am, not a freakin' Ford. :D

At a bare minimum you should watch the first few seasons of Arrow. In season one he is nearly completely on his own and only starts getting an actual team together during season 3.

Teddybrown
December 12th, 2019, 09:27 AM
I'm getting a lot of Endgame vibes from this

Gatefan1976
December 12th, 2019, 10:35 AM
Overall, I don't like the modern trend of heroes being team efforts, rather than the story of the hero or heroine doing things pretty much on their own.

For example, in the eighties, there was a TV show called "Knight Rider". The opening narration was "Knight Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous world of man who does not exist. Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless in a world of criminals who operate above the law."

And that's what it was; he was mostly out on his own, fighting the bad guys and hitting on the damsel in distress of the week, with resources of an organization known as F.L.A.G. The only contacts he had with this group was Devon Miles, his handler, and either Bonnie or April as the hot chick mechanic who maintained K.I.T.T., the talking supercar.

in 2008, someone tried a remake of that, but instead of that formula, Micheal was now directly assisted by a group of people back at base and sometimes in the field with him. Totally destroyed the very nature of the show. It failed after 1 season, I think.

The Arrowverse shows are all the group effort types as far as I can tell. I began watching SG due to it being part of the Superman franchise, picked up Legends along the way, mostly 'cause of Mick Rory, and Batwoman when it started. I don't yet know which way BW is going to go, it seems to be keeping her circle of assistants to the modern version of "Alfred" to some degree.

PS: And K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac Trans Am, not a freakin' Ford. :D

Knight rider in the 80's did have a team, the foundation.
and PS, K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac firebird, not a trans Am. It's only called a trans am because it was famous for winning Trans-American races.

Annoyed
December 12th, 2019, 01:37 PM
Knight rider in the 80's did have a team, the foundation.

and PS, K.I.T.T. was a Pontiac firebird, not a trans Am. It's only called a trans am because it was famous for winning Trans-American races.

the Foundation for Law and Government was "F.L.A.G.", the supporting organization is what I referred to. Miles gave Micheal his assignments, and the tech maintained the car, but that was there was no group of people working with Micheal on each case, as was done in the failed reboot.

Regarding the car, the main model line was the Firebird (which Chevy had a version of also, the Camaro). The Trans Am (and Z-28) was on add-on optional equipment package including larger engines and various graphics, spoilers and such depending on the model year. You may remember the "screaming chicken" decal on the hood. K.I.T.T. was supposed to have that option package, although by the 1980's it was no longer used in quite so large a form.

I've got the entire series on DVD; next time I rewatch, I'll see if I can see where it is on KITT.

Gatefan1976
December 12th, 2019, 02:31 PM
KITT does not have the firebird decals.
All I was saying is that it's not called a "trans am" by the makers of the car.

Why do you hate teams so much?

jelgate
December 12th, 2019, 02:47 PM
I think you know GF. It's pretty obvious given Annoyed's hate

Gatefan1976
December 12th, 2019, 02:52 PM
Teams are for socialists?

Either way, let's not derail this thread with that stuff. The mods leave us alone there, I doubt they will be so charitable here.

3 eps in, I'm loving Crisis. it has some lumps and bumps, but you get that when you have multiple episodes to tell your story, but on the whole it is great.

jelgate
December 12th, 2019, 03:10 PM
I said earlier that I was cautious because of the hype but so far it's beating Crisis on Earth X which I thought was Arrowverse best crossover. Until now unless the conclusion is terrible

Gatefan1976
December 12th, 2019, 03:30 PM
I said earlier that I was cautious because of the hype but so far it's beating Crisis on Earth X which I thought was Arrowverse best crossover. Until now unless the conclusion is terrible

I think we will be fine
It's all about the story, and if the story works?
It works.
A giant furry saved the legends of tomorrow, and in absence of knowledge, it would seem stupid.
But it works.

knowles2
December 12th, 2019, 07:11 PM
I think the budget is the biggest problem. To much standing around doing nothing. To many stories that leads nowhere.

Bruce wayne was the best part so far.

Anyone else notice that a version of Black Lightning story is also happening on Earth 1, make you wonder why none of our heroes have intervene or why we haven't heard of the Markovia.

There have been far less show in each crisis so far than any of the other crossovers, none of the episodes so far have felt like you needed to watch supergirl or batwoman or arrow to understand what going on.

The only one that buck the trend was Black Lightning, where you did need to know some of the back story.

I do keep on laughing at them themselves mentioning cross over.

Would love to see more of Constantine and Lucifer in action and their back story.

Annoyed
December 12th, 2019, 07:25 PM
KITT does not have the firebird decals.
All I was saying is that it's not called a "trans am" by the makers of the car.

Why do you hate teams so much?
The "screaming chicken" hood decal as shown in "Smoky and the Bandit" (2nd generation of the model) was not used in the 3rd generation of the model line, which launched in 1982. That does not mean the Trans Am options/powerplant package was not available.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Firebird_(third_generation)


The 3rd Generation of Firebirds consisted of three models: Firebird, Firebird S/E, and Firebird Trans Am. The Firebird was the base model, equivalent to the Camaro Sport Coupe; the Firebird S/E was the luxury version; and the Trans Am, the high-performance version.

As far as teams go, there is nothing wrong with them in the proper environment. (With the exception of the cheating New England Patriots, they should be banned from the the universe, multiverse or any-verse.)

But in superhero stories, I don't think it's appropriate. First, only the hero has super abilities, kinda putting him in a class by himself. A mere mortal group might end up dead, or worse, the hero has to spend effort protecting them, rather than fighting the bad guy. A natural consequence of this was that they worked alone, mostly. There were some situations where lone heroes banded together, such as Justice League of America, Superfriends and so forth, but even those hero's own shows had the working alone, or nearly so. Batman, who had Alfred in the batcave, Superman had no one who knew his ID, his human cohorts didn't go into battle all that much.

Compare to the arrowverse on CW. On Supergirl, they have the DEO, which seems to be a large social club that welcomes anyone, even the like of Lena Luthor. And no one cares about their secret identities being revealed (really, in light of how many people know SG's identity, this year's Lena/Kara hissy fit doesn't seem to fit. It's not such a big secret.)

Another aspect is the sheer number of folks with super powers in the arrowverse. In classic hero shows, super abilities were very rare, usually one of a kind. In CW's world, you can't turn around without tripping over one of them.

It's a matter of preference; teams are fine for things like team sports. But the heroes ought to work alone.

Annoyed
December 12th, 2019, 07:32 PM
This may be obvious, I don't know enough about the overall arrowverse franchise, but I get the sense they are just going to use this a jackknife, whittling away the multitude of universes, reducing it to a more manageable single universe.

And having seen thru part 3, I'm thinking that since Legends is going to be wrapping this up, and that is a time travel show... they're just going to roll the clock back.

Mrja84
December 16th, 2019, 11:27 AM
I am loving it. I really enjoyed the first episode's tributes to Oliver. During Elseworlds I got the sense they were kicking him down, to the point where he feels Barry and Kara are the better heroes the world needs.

But that episode helped show the impact his journey has had and it effectively serves as a nod to Arrow and how it spinoff this amazing universe of shows and characters.

I liked the multiverse exploration in episode 2, but I wanted to see more interactions:

Lois (Smallville) and Kara, all three Supermen together, and at least one of the Supermen with Kate and Kara to meet Conroy's Batman.


It felt a little constrained to me.

Episode 3 was fun, but I HATE that:

It just felt like such a cop-out that they switched Barry with another speedster.

It just feels like they are pulling their punches.

DigiFluid
December 16th, 2019, 11:40 AM
A giant furry saved the legends of tomorrow, and in absence of knowledge, it would seem stupid.
But it works.

No, even as a regular viewer of LoT, it was still stupid :p

P-90_177
December 16th, 2019, 12:26 PM
No, even as a regular viewer of LoT, it was still stupid :p

But so much fun. And, so I'm told, an awesome episode to watch when high.

Mrja84
January 16th, 2020, 04:49 PM
Spoilers for part 4

Lex Luthor is just too damn much. I hope they don't overuse him, he felt a bit over used during Crisis. How did he give himself powers when all we saw him do was scratch out Superman and write-in his own name?

I like the meta-narrative of Arrow fighting the Anti-Monitor and telling him he failed this universe :)

I am very sad that Supergirl didn't get a chance to react to the uses of Oliver's choice, only Barry did.


Spoilers for part 5


I know they didn't have time to show all the universes, but I have to imagine that every universe we saw get destroyed is back in some manner. But what happened to the original Earth-2? Harry and Jesse Wells were central characters to The Flash, there has to be some investigation or grief on that show to address it.

I am disappointed that no one called out The Flash show's declaration that there were only 52 universes, Crisis has shown that before Crisis and after, there are more than 52 universes.

I LOVED seeing Sara Diggle back! And Lyla! Surprised Diggle didn't mention being unable to find Mia, Conner, or William.

Wished Barry and Ollie could have shared more about having an adult daughter from the future being in the present. I was looking forward to Barry reacting to Mia, but I didn't get that and now it's gone.

So glad to see Jefferson interacting with other supers. My favorite line is from Part 3: "The Superman thing is real?!".

Very excited to see what changes are coming. I hope the writers don't fail us.