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GateWorld
October 5th, 2018, 01:23 PM
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<SPAN STYLE="font-size:0.8em;">EPISODE NUMBER - 402</SPAN>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0; text-align:left;">As the country is rocked by a shocking revelation about the President, Mercy Graves targets the alien masking technology inside L-Corp. After Brainy and Nia feel the sting of anti-alien bias first-hand, Nia turns to James Olsen to intervene.</DIV>
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LtColCarter
October 22nd, 2018, 09:35 AM
Interesting episode. Not sure how I feel about some of the issues brought up.

Linda06
October 22nd, 2018, 12:39 PM
mmm badass Lena kicking some butt. Doesn't get better than that. Maybe they'll finally stop with the is Lena good or evil nonsense now. I think she's proven time and again that she's not like her Brother or Mother, that she's a good person. Eve thougth is a hoot, glad we're seeing more of her.

Also glad that Rhona Mitra is on the show. I was gutted they killed her character off on The Last Ship. She's been a good baddie so far. I thought when she got captured that it can't be over with her already. Glad it's not.

So now that the President was outed as an Alien and is no longer in power does that mean Linda Carter won't pop up from time to time now?

LtColCarter
October 22nd, 2018, 01:12 PM
mmm badass Lena kicking some butt. Doesn't get better than that. Maybe they'll finally stop with the is Lena good or evil nonsense now. I think she's proven time and again that she's not like her Brother or Mother, that she's a good person. Eve thougth is a hoot, glad we're seeing more of her.

Also glad that Rhona Mitra is on the show. I was gutted they killed her character off on The Last Ship. She's been a good baddie so far. I thought when she got captured that it can't be over with her already. Glad it's not.

So now that the President was outed as an Alien and is no longer in power does that mean Linda Carter won't pop up from time to time now?

Yes...I was wondering about Lynda Carter as well. I hope that they keep her on for a special appearance there and there.

Linda06
October 22nd, 2018, 01:32 PM
Yes...I was wondering about Lynda Carter as well. I hope that they keep her on for a special appearance there and there.

I really hope we haven't seen the last of her. I liked their interactions when she was on the show

LtColCarter
October 22nd, 2018, 01:41 PM
I really hope we haven't seen the last of her. I liked their interactions when she was on the show

Me too! Plus it is good seeing Lynda on TV.

Of course, I was impressed by Lena in this episode! She duked it out pretty well! :D

Linda06
October 22nd, 2018, 02:57 PM
I just realised I spelt her name wrong :o That's how I spell it :lol: But there can never be too much of Lynda carter :D But having Rhona Mitra on the show softens the blow a little :) I might have enjoyed that fight scene between Lena and Mercy a little too much :o

Annoyed
October 23rd, 2018, 04:25 AM
This episode was way too preachy for me, pushing a real world political agenda over and over. And the situation in the show is totally different from the real world situation, so it's not even an appropriate comparison.

CW has always had some content of this nature, but this was over the top even for them.

LtColCarter
October 23rd, 2018, 10:52 AM
Just enjoy it for the work of fiction that it is. Most shows I watch now days seem to reflect what is currently going on in the world.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2018, 12:32 PM
The Superman comics and by extension Supergirl have been "preachy"

aretood2
October 23rd, 2018, 04:44 PM
This episode was way too preachy for me, pushing a real world political agenda over and over. And the situation in the show is totally different from the real world situation, so it's not even an appropriate comparison.

CW has always had some content of this nature, but this was over the top even for them.

While I agree that they have been bad at the way they handle this (every other character dropping a quote or line...who talks like that?) I have to say that so far they have been better about it this season than in the past. And the questions they bring up makes perfect sense. What? You think actual aliens living among us isn't going to bring about these things? From where I am sitting, immigrants are now seen as a danger and a burden despite the evidence to the contrary. And before you say it is only illegals, it's not. Legal immigration is also being attacked in the US with terms like "Chain migration" and lies/stereotypes with little basis in reality about welfare usage and the practices that ICE has when dealing with legal immigrants have reached incredible new lows.

You're not an immigrant, much less one that isn't white. You don't see this. But I do.

Annoyed
October 24th, 2018, 04:27 AM
While I agree that they have been bad at the way they handle this (every other character dropping a quote or line...who talks like that?) I have to say that so far they have been better about it this season than in the past. And the questions they bring up makes perfect sense. What? You think actual aliens living among us isn't going to bring about these things? From where I am sitting, immigrants are now seen as a danger and a burden despite the evidence to the contrary. And before you say it is only illegals, it's not. Legal immigration is also being attacked in the US with terms like "Chain migration" and lies/stereotypes with little basis in reality about welfare usage and the practices that ICE has when dealing with legal immigrants have reached incredible new lows.

You're not an immigrant, much less one that isn't white. You don't see this. But I do.

I'm not going to discuss the real world issues in this thread, it's not what its for, I'm just saying this episode was way over the top in preaching its political views. I don't watch TV for this kind of thing, but as I come from the right side of the spectrum, I have to ignore most of it, or I would have almost nothing to watch but if the creators of this show keep up the way they're going, I'm likely to stop watching.

jelgate
October 24th, 2018, 11:35 AM
Its not like you matter in the ratings

Linda06
October 24th, 2018, 01:16 PM
I try and ignore some of the political stuff. Having selective memory helps though :D

jelgate
October 24th, 2018, 02:13 PM
Or no memory?

LtColCarter
October 25th, 2018, 10:54 AM
Or no memory?

Messin' with demons!

Linda06
October 25th, 2018, 11:18 AM
Or no memory?

That too :)

aretood2
October 27th, 2018, 09:38 AM
I'm not going to discuss the real world issues in this thread, it's not what its for, I'm just saying this episode was way over the top in preaching its political views. I don't watch TV for this kind of thing, but as I come from the right side of the spectrum, I have to ignore most of it, or I would have almost nothing to watch but if the creators of this show keep up the way they're going, I'm likely to stop watching.

My point is that things can get very nasty in the real world when dealing with immigration, even something like refugee caravans where people want them shot. So what makes you think that wouldn't be more magnified in a world where actual extraterrestrials are living in hiding amongst us all, and have often participated in near apocalyptic plots who were only foiled thanks to Superman or more recently Supergirl?

Yes, their writing is bad when it comes to this kind of thing making them overly preachy, it's gotten better though. But the concept of the plot is sound and a logical step. The world was, after all, almost invaded by the Daxamites on top of everything else.

Annoyed
October 27th, 2018, 10:21 AM
My point is that things can get very nasty in the real world when dealing with immigration, even something like refugee caravans where people want them shot. So what makes you think that wouldn't be more magnified in a world where actual extraterrestrials are living in hiding amongst us all, and have often participated in near apocalyptic plots who were only foiled thanks to Superman or more recently Supergirl?

Yes, their writing is bad when it comes to this kind of thing making them overly preachy, it's gotten better though. But the concept of the plot is sound and a logical step. The world was, after all, almost invaded by the Daxamites on top of everything else.

I don't know many who want the caravan members shot, I just want them denied entry, period. No BS, no excuses, no separation of families, no nothing. Just a plain, simple and enforced "Go away" is my suggested response. (But I will say I'm highly suspicious of the timing of that caravan, I think some political force is behind it.)

But in the universe of "Superman", extraterrestrials have given the population just cause to be suspicious of ET's. Granted, Superman & Supergirl have been overwhelmingly beneficial, aside from the occasional destructive ET that comes to hunt or fight them. Many of the ET's that have come to that world have had destruction on their mind, and it's reasonable for the population to be suspicious, particularly when the human population is basically defenseless against them. A Kryptonian who comes to earth can cause a great deal of harm, and unless the writers are cooperative, humans are powerless against them.

aretood2
October 29th, 2018, 04:54 PM
I don't know many who want the caravan members shot, I just want them denied entry, period. No BS, no excuses, no separation of families, no nothing. Just a plain, simple and enforced "Go away" is my suggested response. (But I will say I'm highly suspicious of the timing of that caravan, I think some political force is behind it.)

But in the universe of "Superman", extraterrestrials have given the population just cause to be suspicious of ET's. Granted, Superman & Supergirl have been overwhelmingly beneficial, aside from the occasional destructive ET that comes to hunt or fight them. Many of the ET's that have come to that world have had destruction on their mind, and it's reasonable for the population to be suspicious, particularly when the human population is basically defenseless against them. A Kryptonian who comes to earth can cause a great deal of harm, and unless the writers are cooperative, humans are powerless against them.

I see you have met my good friend. His name is "My Point".

Their failure so far is avoiding the dialog aspect of exploring this issue. The many aliens who are (though we don't know of any beyond the DEO, once again a shortcoming of the show's overly preaching approach) doing great deal of good out in the world. The ones who are motivating the Pro-Alien camp. The discussion of the costs versus the benefits. They expect the viewers to not care for that discussion and just spoon feed us what they want us to feel. Or rather, they simply preach to the choir.

I believe the X-Men have a lot to teach these writers.

Annoyed
October 30th, 2018, 04:20 AM
I see you have met my good friend. His name is "My Point".

Their failure so far is avoiding the dialog aspect of exploring this issue. The many aliens who are (though we don't know of any beyond the DEO, once again a shortcoming of the show's overly preaching approach) doing great deal of good out in the world. The ones who are motivating the Pro-Alien camp. The discussion of the costs versus the benefits. They expect the viewers to not care for that discussion and just spoon feed us what they want us to feel. Or rather, they simply preach to the choir.

I believe the X-Men have a lot to teach these writers.

This topic is obviously going to be a season-long arc, it was continued in 403, "Man of Steel".
With so many parallels to real-world politics, I don't know if we should continue discussions of these aspects here, or maybe start a Supergirl thread in the off-topic section. This week's episode painted Lockwood as a pretty sympathetic character, but I think that was their tendency to be over the top, rather than their intent.