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donutman925
February 19th, 2018, 10:27 AM
Does anyone know what happens after May 15th 2018 if you pay the $20 now? They really don't say too much on the FAQ.

What's the point to pay if we won't be able to access the 3 tv shows and stream them anymore?

http://faq.stargatecommand.co/

DigiFluid
February 19th, 2018, 10:41 AM
No, we don't. We've been asking this question for the last 5 months and they still haven't given an answer.

I want to support new Stargate, but screwing around with people's money is, frankly, is shady as all hell.

Krypton_Son
February 19th, 2018, 10:53 AM
I've been wondering that same thing. I have no problem with paying for a lifetime subscription (especially at $20), but until they decide what happens after May, I'm out.

donutman925
February 19th, 2018, 12:00 PM
I agree with you Krypton_Son, I have no problem paying a one time fee for a lifetime subscription. I just don't want to pay the $20 and then have to pay monthly. Hopefully they would grandfather people in or give them a discount for early payers.

I hate this separate system MGM is doing they should have left all the shows on Netflix and released the new Origins on there.

Does any know if Gateworld owner Darren Sumner can look into this or has any sources that can help us?

NickEast
February 19th, 2018, 01:30 PM
The only thing SGC is saying is that All-Access will be gone after May 15th, including all the "premium" material. What that means for Stargate Origins I don't know, which only adds to the confusion.

GateWorld
February 19th, 2018, 02:10 PM
MGM has only said that "some of the premium content" will go away after May 15. They have not clarified what that is, but regardless it does mean that the subscription cost is steadily decreasing in value by the day. It makes less sense to pay in March, or April, and almost no sense in May.

That means the studio's profit model has to be front-loaded. Once Origins has finished there won't be much point in people signing up.

We'll report on GW as soon as we have concrete info, but MGM is holding the plan close to its vest right now -- if it has even decided at this point.

~Darren

Falcon Horus
February 19th, 2018, 02:41 PM
I now that the free episodes will remain free until all-access goes away in May (*), so I have a feeling there's going to be a different approach.

(*) Came up in a reply on twitter.

And we'll still be locked out for the most part so no big loss there.

donutman925
February 19th, 2018, 02:56 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone. lets hope MGM doesn't screw us, but i have a feeling they will want their $$$

Platschu
February 21st, 2018, 02:02 PM
I am guessing they will order an other mini-series until that time for a premiere in May/June. I doubt that the budget was bigger than 1-1,5 million dollar (= 50 000 paying subscriber) for Stargate : Origins, so they can easily order more SG stories. If we could get 10-10 episodes every 4-6 months it would be amazing, so the Stargate : Command could prosper. As I said in the other topic, MGM needs the fans, but fans also needs MGM. So hopefully it will be really a new successfull cooperation for both side.

Falcon Horus
February 21st, 2018, 02:14 PM
I am guessing they will order an other mini-series until that time for a premiere in May/June. I doubt that the budget was bigger than 1-1,5 million dollar (= 50 000 paying subscriber) for Stargate : Origins, so they can easily order more SG stories. If we could get 10-10 episodes every 4-6 months it would be amazing, so the Stargate : Command could prosper. As I said in the other topic, MGM needs the fans, but fans also needs MGM. So hopefully it will be really a new successfull cooperation for both side.

You're overly confident and I wouldn't set your hopes too high, especially since literally no one can answer the question about what happens after May 15.

You seem under the impression that the subscribers are paying for Stargate Origins production costs, which they most certainly aren't. There were simply not enough people for it at the start, unless their budget didn't go above 500K -- the subscribers on Command are not paying for Origins. They are paying a fee to watch all series and films, a fee which for the most part goes to paying for hosting services, website maintenance, servers and streaming fees.

Platschu
February 21st, 2018, 03:06 PM
I am just happy that something has happened with the SG franchise after 7-8 years...

Falcon Horus
February 22nd, 2018, 01:10 AM
I am just happy that something has happened with the SG franchise after 7-8 years...

I think most of us are, but that doesn't mean the execution is all there.

NickEast
February 22nd, 2018, 04:58 AM
I think most of us are, but that doesn't mean the execution is all there.

Agreed, indeed!

Pragmatism
February 22nd, 2018, 10:29 AM
If you take what faq.stargatecommand.co states literally, you end up with a disappointing and seriously suspicious conclusion, first note:


What is the Stargate Command All-Access Pass?

All-Access is the membership tier of Stargate Command, offering fans ultimate access to Stargate Command. By purchasing the All-Access Pass, you will have exclusive content at your fingertips, which you may access and use on up to 3 devices over the entire access period.

All-Access starts on September 20, 2017 and ends on May 15, 2018. After May 15, 2018, the All-Access content will no longer be available through your All-Access Pass, but you will still be a member of the Stargate Command community, which will continue.


So All-Access is over after May 15, 2018. Now comes the telling part:


What do I get for purchasing the All-Access Pass?

* Stream the ultimate STARGATE library including all episodes of SG-1, Atlantis, Universe, as well as all three movies; Stargate (1994), Stargate: The Ark of Truth (2008) and Stargate: Continuum (2008).


Thus All-Access, AND ONLY ALL-ACCESS allows you to have Stargate content. Even though you may be part of Stargate Command, you will NOT have any access to the past Stargate library content!!

This is very bogus. I think if anyone is paying for this Stargate Command pass, is going to be very disappointed come after May 15. Furthermore, it is going to reinforce the message that MGM has been sending over the years, that their poor Stargate Fan/Science Fiction Fan base relationship is still being seriously ignored. MGM has once already gone through, recently too, bankruptcy, and of course, revenue is more a key concern to the suits in charge than managing any serious followership of their cinematic material.

I fear that MGM is not prepared to go beyond anything more than a very low financial risk, like Stargate Origins, while at the same time looking for what ever immediate profitable return, that is available.

Too much corporate obliqueness and faltering cinematic direction has, I presume, crippled MGM. Consider their big financial failures at the recent box-office, Hercules, The Magnificent Seven, Ben-Hur and Detroit. With such recent failures, the latest financial backers would indeed be getting nervous. This is unlike their post bankruptcy successes like the Hobbit films, and their James Bond Spectre (distribution only) outings which would suggest. But those are now fading far away. MGM is in desperate need of a win. I am afraid, as much as a Stargate fan as anyone else, that Stargate is not enough of a potential financial win as they would like. Hence, the arrival something as mild as Stargate Origins.

For the record I think Stargate Origins is just a sweetener, just to keep the fan base going, and nothing more. I find it too simplistic in its story telling, and as far as the acting is concerned, well it would help if Ellie Gall would smile less and act more to the situation (like Gadot in Wonder Woman, she never gets dirty, hair is always perfect, and has an irrevocable look - Mary Sues, it does appear now, includes perfect dry cleaning and body beautiful abilities - blaaaah.)

The major problem is that MGM doesn't have the personnel with the vision to make Stargate a success. That being said, the situation isn't made better, in fact it is made worse, when the major film studios are all into the comic book to cinema fad; something as a true science fiction lover, I detest. That's the real problem, science fiction is being usurped by science fantasy (which I include Star Trek and Star Wars, sadly).

Today we find ourselves in a world of poor science fiction writers, and science fiction film makers. I hate to say this, I really do, but the days of good science fiction may be over, or at least, passing though a science fiction dark ages.

In short, Stargate Fans, don't count on MGM much, they have bigger problems to attend to. I will keep on hoping like the rest of you, but the clear obvious facts, are not too sincere. It doesn't help matters also, that everyone around the Stargate project, more often than not is too positive, but then again, that's Hollywood!

We'll live and hope, Stargate friends, we'll live and hope.

Falcon Horus
February 22nd, 2018, 02:18 PM
So All-Access is over after May 15, 2018. Now comes the telling part:


What do I get for purchasing the All-Access Pass?

* Stream the ultimate STARGATE library including all episodes of SG-1, Atlantis, Universe, as well as all three movies; Stargate (1994), Stargate: The Ark of Truth (2008) and Stargate: Continuum (2008).


Thus All-Access, AND ONLY ALL-ACCESS allows you to have Stargate content. Even though you may be part of Stargate Command, you will NOT have any access to the past Stargate library content!!

This is very bogus. I think if anyone is paying for this Stargate Command pass, is going to be very disappointed come after May 15. Furthermore, it is going to reinforce the message that MGM has been sending over the years, that their poor Stargate Fan/Science Fiction Fan base relationship is still being seriously ignored. MGM has once already gone through, recently too, bankruptcy, and of course, revenue is more a key concern to the suits in charge than managing any serious followership of their cinematic material.

Actually, that's not true. You can still watch all of it, just not on Stargate Command. I believe Stargate is still available on Hulu, and iTunes in the US. In the UK, it's currently on repeat on what of their Sky-channels. And perhaps, Netflix can be convinced somehow to pay for another broadcasting license and bring it back to more countries for rewatching (not for creating new content).

And I assume most people will have the DVD sets or BluRays so you'll always have stargate in some form (in my case, DVD's cause I have no access to Stargate Command all-access, there's no stargate on TV, nor is it streaming on any digital media).

Pragmatism
February 23rd, 2018, 06:40 AM
Falcon Horus, read my post carefully, I was referring to Stargate Command, so you are false in saying that "That is not true" to what I stated. You yourself confirm my statement by saying that the Stargate material can be accessed on other commercial enterprises other than MGM's. So my comments stand.

Furthermore, there is no guarantee that HULU and iTunes will continue to provide the Stargate material. Especially that Hulu is being bought up by Disney. That means Stargate will no longer be offered by Hulu, because it will only have Disney content. That leaves Apples iTunes, and they are notoriously difficult to work with, relying on iTunes for content creators to make a profit, is like relying on Attila The Hun for mercy, I am told.

As for you saying that most people have the DVD sets or BluRays, well that's no comfort for people in the future who have never seen or heard of Stargate. After all, with the new streaming services coming from every which way, DVD and BluRay business is destined for extinction. Hollywood knows this, since they are the ones who've been hurt the most by the evaporation-no, more like sublimation- of the physical disc market. This all does not bode well, which ever way you cut it for Stargate, the demand and market is not there for a Stargate like franchise.

I fear come after May 15, there will be a deafening silence from MGM. As is it usually is the case with a company that is on the verge of bankruptcy, again! MGMs financial numbers are very poor, and so, like it or not, Stargate's destiny is also tied to MGM's. Furthermore, as I have stated in the last post, real science fiction is doing poorly in the market place, the craze is now science fantasy. Alas for Stargate and their fan base.

Falcon Horus
February 23rd, 2018, 09:41 AM
Falcon Horus, read my post carefully, I was referring to Stargate Command, so you are false in saying that "That is not true" to what I stated. You yourself confirm my statement by saying that the Stargate material can be accessed on other commercial enterprises other than MGM's. So my comments stand.

Yes, it stays available on other platforms, in HD quality and with the ability to pause and play where one left of -- even sometimes to download episodes (Netflix at least) to watch offline.

Stargate Command is but a temporary home -- they made that perfectly clear from the get-go. At least in the FAQ, but it is common practice for most all-access buyers to not read before paying for it. I know, of at least one who asked his money back because it wasn't properly advertised when buying the all-access pass (and he got it back with the help of Apple).

MGM has an entire digital library to license or if they are indeed planning their own digital library, chances are people will be able to pay a monthly fee to watch all the MGM content they want, including stargate.


Especially that Hulu is being bought up by Disney. That means Stargate will no longer be offered by Hulu, because it will only have Disney content.

Nope, they are not planning to do that -- Huluís Future: What Disney-Fox Deal Means for TV-Streaming Venture (http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/hulu-disney-fox-deal-future-tv-streaming-1202640711/)

The wrinkle here for Disney is that, under the terms of the JV agreement for Hulu, it wonít be able to make any major structural changes to Hulu without the agreement of Comcast/NBCU.

Disney only owns 30% of Hulu's shares.


After all, with the new streaming services coming from every which way, DVD and BluRay business is destined for extinction.

:lol:

Yeah, that's what they said about CD's and the music industry when Napster and iTunes started offering digital downloads -- and the illegal downloads and what not. The music industry is booming 15-20 years later, and we're still buying CD's and vinyls.


I fear come after May 15, there will be a deafening silence from MGM. As is it usually is the case with a company that is on the verge of bankruptcy, again! MGMs financial numbers are very poor, and so, like it or not, Stargate's destiny is also tied to MGM's. Furthermore, as I have stated in the last post, real science fiction is doing poorly in the market place, the craze is now science fantasy. Alas for Stargate and their fan base.

MGM is catering to the fanbase of stargate, at the moment, with Stargate Command. There has been zero marketing to outside viewers. This is completely aimed at the "fans" of the show.

And most of the all-access pass owners at the moment, got the pass to watch more stargate than is good for any human being. They forgot to come up for air -- more than once -- bingewatching their lives away. When all that goes away, they don't have use for that site anymore and it will die a quiet death, cause I can assure you, a free account is boring as hell in the grand scheme of things.

Shiner833
February 24th, 2018, 06:48 AM
Ummm as I know your not from the US so things may be different where you live but i havenít bought a cd/dvd/Blue-ray in at least 5-10 years. Everything is bought digitally (usually through Amazon) and downloaded to my devices or streamed. Yes those technologies are going the way of VHS. As for the feeling ripped off for $20 for having access since day one. I donít feel that way at all! I got a t-shirt, access to watch all the shows without commercials (my Hulu has commercials) and get to watch the new web-series in full all for the price of what I pay for 2 months Netflix. That was a great deal in my opinion. MGM is being proactive. Many companies, including Disney, are consolidating their assets to an individual streaming site. Obviously they see Netflix etc... making money on their creative properties and want to keep that money in house. Also, we have all complained for years we wish we could pay only for channels that we want instead of huge cable packages with content we donít watch. This is the beginning of that era and we are in transition so it feels clunky.

Falcon Horus
February 24th, 2018, 06:54 AM
@Shiner833

How nice you get to have all that -- we get nothing. All we get are people like you jumping up and down with excitement, raving about their T-shirt and their all-access while a lot of other people have no access and are left to the mercy of spoilers and images that spoil the frak out of SGO.

And yes, digital is possible here too... but I prefer hard copies to digital cause I have tendency to loose digital copies more often than I care to admit. I download music from iTunes but I much rather prefer the actual CD to the digital download.

I can watch all DVD's without commercials, and I don't even need internet for it -- just my Xbox (cause my DVD-player bailed on me a few weeks ago).

MGM isn't proactive -- they are hanging on by a thread. What will you be happy about when May 15 comes around, by the way? Or were you unaware your all-access pass ends that day, with streaming going away.

Shiner833
February 24th, 2018, 07:27 AM
Iíll be happy with my shirt, the shows I watched for 8-9 months from when it went live and access to the full web-series all for $20. Thatís how much I pay for only 2 months of Netflix, and less than what I paid for in drinks last night with dinner. So that was a great deal! I understand your preference for hard copies which totally makes sense. Donít have to rely on internet and all that. Personally, I have 2 young kids and DVDs tend to get scratched and then are useless. Same with my old cd collection. Luckily I had backed up most of the music years ago. I like the convenience of being able to watch a movie I bought, especially having the kiddos movies, accessible anywhere we go. So whether it be at home on the TVs in different rooms or on a long car ride on the tablet or phone, we have our movie collection. So that works best for us. Iím sorry your upset that others are excited about the web-series. It does suck itís not completely international. I donít know enough about distribution rights and costs to have an informed opinion on that other than Iím sure it was more expensive to do so which led to the limited availability.

Platschu
February 24th, 2018, 10:57 AM
Well said. I am also consider to pay the 20$ as a sign of support. If I go out to eat some junkie food I can easily spend the same amount of food on KFC, McD or pizza....

By the way we should open some "Stargate Command - suggestions and feedbacks" thread here. I tried to watch the website with my Samsung Galaxy S7 and I could simply not find how to post on their forum. Literally I have spent 40 minutes and I clicked every possible options now. But as soon as I have checked it on my PC, I could immediately see a "(+)" sign in the top right corner. Strange.

Falcon Horus
February 27th, 2018, 04:55 AM
Well said. I am also consider to pay the 20$ as a sign of support. If I go out to eat some junkie food I can easily spend the same amount of food on KFC, McD or pizza.

Then why haven't you? I've seen you on the message feed and it doesn't say all-access next to your rank.
Perhaps it's because all-access goes away after May 15?


By the way we should open some "Stargate Command - suggestions and feedbacks" thread here. I tried to watch the website with my Samsung Galaxy S7 and I could simply not find how to post on their forum. Literally I have spent 40 minutes and I clicked every possible options now. But as soon as I have checked it on my PC, I could immediately see a "(+)" sign in the top right corner. Strange.

Because the website isn't mobile device friendly, because they are trying to get you to install the app instead. Marketing 101. ;)
It also loads incredibly slow on mobile devices (same as the above, to get you to install the app instead).

Too bad the app crashes more than it actually works.

Platschu
February 27th, 2018, 11:14 AM
Well... I tried to pay it on my PC, but it would be too simple, so I have to install it on my mobile. If I check in on my mobile then the "all-access" option doesn't show up anywhere. Maybe I am blind. :( I will give on an other try on my PC. :S

edit. If I download it on my PC, then it will install it on my mobile, but the "all-access" sign is still nowhere. Grrr... :(

edt 2.: I have installed it on my tablet as well, but the "all-access" option is nowhere. :S

Az'ryel
February 27th, 2018, 01:38 PM
Either it is a bug or you are in a country that does not get all access...then that option will be nowhere

Platschu
February 27th, 2018, 02:20 PM
Well... I am Hungarian, but I live in the UK. So technically it should be there. :(

photoglyph
February 27th, 2018, 02:30 PM
We would watch SG-1 on Netflix, than it moved to Amazon and we couldn't watch it. It showed up on Hulu and was unwatchable, Hulu at the time was streaming low-quality signals. We cancelled Hulu and someone said that Hulu improved/is improving their stream but we decided we weren't interested.

Falcon Horus
February 28th, 2018, 12:45 AM
Well... I tried to pay it on my PC, but it would be too simple, so I have to install it on my mobile. If I check in on my mobile then the "all-access" option doesn't show up anywhere. Maybe I am blind. :( I will give on an other try on my PC. :S

edit. If I download it on my PC, then it will install it on my mobile, but the "all-access" sign is still nowhere. Grrr... :(

edt 2.: I have installed it on my tablet as well, but the "all-access" option is nowhere. :S

The Great and Powerful Pharaoh K. Hamenthotep asked me to convey the following message to you:

Tell Platschu he needs to click watch series and try to watch an episode. It doesn't matter which one, as long as it's not a free to view one, then the "get all-access" message will appear.

I'd like to add that you can only buy all-access from the mobile app. Only the USA can buy on the website.

Platschu
February 28th, 2018, 03:46 PM
I will try. The support team also responded and they asked more details about my Android version, my mobile. Once I have seen an ad to buy all-access,but as soon I clicked on it, it started to offer to download it again from GooglePlay. Why is this payment so overcomplicated? :S

WraithTech
March 3rd, 2018, 06:45 AM
Besides the episode streaming and mission files, what other extras are there for All-Access only?

Falcon Horus
March 3rd, 2018, 06:55 AM
Besides the episode streaming and mission files, what other extras are there for All-Access only?

The Dial Home interviews are all-access only. The first two, are free for all too though.
There are Behind-the-scenes videos for Origins which are AA only. Interviews, like the Philip Alexander one.
There are DVD-extras which are also all-access only.
When Origins finishes next week, they'll be able to download it in full.

It's easier to list what is free:
* the message feed
* the quizzes
* most of the articles
* gifs (but there hardly are any)
* photo sets (but they're old ones)

WraithTech
March 3rd, 2018, 09:07 AM
* photo sets (but they're old ones)

From the photos in the quizzes for SG1, SGA, and SGU, they seemed to be the ones from the old Stargate site. I wonder if there are SGO ones like those.

The All-Access Mission Files and such seem like they would be wiki writers' nightmares. In SG1, SGA, and SGU, fans treat the side material, such as from the magazines, usually as not canon, because it didn't occur on screen, sometimes contradicts what is on the screen, and the citations can't be verified by everyone.

NickEast
March 3rd, 2018, 11:10 AM
The All-Access Mission Files and such seem like they would be wiki writers' nightmares. In SG1, SGA, and SGU, fans treat the side material, such as from the magazines, usually as not canon, because it didn't occur on screen, sometimes contradicts what is on the screen, and the citations can't be verified by everyone.

I would call that bad storytelling anyway. Why would we need to read additional text to be able to understand the story on the screen? A good writer makes sure that the whole story on the screen, whether a movie or TV show, can be understood. Supplementary material, like magazines, wiki, character bios, or these mission files, simply flesh out some of the backstory or dive deeper into character backgrounds and particular events, but are never required to understand the story itself.

I just see it as an excuse by the writers to come up with solutions to the continuity issues and inconsistencies, something that fans usually do, to justify their decisions.

WraithTech
March 3rd, 2018, 11:32 AM
Great point, nivao. If the audience has to refer to additional texts to understand the story, it is not storytelling in the traditional sense, but something else and maybe needs to be called something else, such as an interactive experience, rather than a just a movie. Printed nonfiction books are starting to get into side material somewhat, with QR codes to direct readers to YouTube videos of the authors talking or doing demos, and that is poor writing if the demos are needed to understand the text.