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mooseman
March 8th, 2018, 06:50 PM
So, which guy in the back was Cameron?

lightsyder
March 8th, 2018, 07:04 PM
The mission file mentions his ancestor Captain Mitchell and the Achilles which is just awesome

DigiFluid
March 8th, 2018, 07:49 PM
I uh...wow. It's pretty much the ending I was expecting, but I was still floored by how lazily they did it.

mooseman
March 8th, 2018, 07:50 PM
I knew that Beal was going to buy it, but dang that was tragic.

gatearchaeologist
March 8th, 2018, 08:34 PM
That was a pretty sad ending for those characters. Poor Wasif, Motawk, and James. I expected the memory wiping and maybe a little death but I didn't expect pretty much everyone dying or being enslaved.

dosed150
March 9th, 2018, 02:46 AM
was all wrapped up a little too neatly really

Supergater
March 9th, 2018, 03:53 AM
This whole ending and storytelling reminds me of a scene in "200" - "Isn't it a little too convenient?". Now that the shows ended and full judgement can be given, the whole thing is like trying to make a 10 episode show of how Ernest Littlefield trying again and again to dial and disappearing with no real consequences/substance-to-add to the Stargate myth. The ONLY consequence of substance seems to be the destructive of the 7th symbol, aanndd that's it! Sure the subliminal had consequence but to me, it could be simply replaced by determined curiosity.

With this ending, it was expected with Aset, Harcesis, Ra and Nazi. But with Wasif and Motawk, that was a genuine twist. So they died in the movie? Who know. How would I change the ending for the better? Beal interrupts the mind wipe on Kasuf and Catherine. Then when they get home, drop some obvious clues that she remembers vaguely, something like:


"what do you remember of the last few days dear? Its a total blank for me"
"I remember bits and pieces of it. The slightly less vague parts seems like I saw a cave with constellations. Some giant pond and Egyptian gods..."
"Sound like we visited a dig in a cave by invitation of your prospective boss (Museum curator)"
"Yeah, that must be it. Let's go"
<As they leave, Catherine turns to see the Stargate and make a face saying "And yet it all still seems to tie to that thing" and turns and leaves. Roll credits here>

This way it give audience more satisfaction knowing that she knows. That sooner or later she'll start questioning her own memories. By the time of the movie, (implied) she will feel a deja-vu moment when the Stargate opens again and becomes certain that those memories are certainly tied to the gate. But she can't say anything in the movie as they'll think she's crazy and the military will instantly seize control from her, hence keeping it in continuity with the lack of mention in the movie.

moy
March 9th, 2018, 06:02 AM
I agree with DigiFluid, that ending was really lazy. Even if the 3 last episodes were better by far than most of the 7 first, both in tone and in storytelling,

But one thing bothers me... Maybe I did not pay sufficiently attention, but what was that all about with the harcesis child? What happened to the little girl? And why the hell introduce that story element if there doesn't seem to be a point about it??
Or maybe I really missed an essential part somewhere...

lightsyder
March 9th, 2018, 06:41 AM
The mission files explain a lot about the kids origins. Im assuming she was with Aset when Ra nuked the temple

Kilgharrah
March 9th, 2018, 09:52 AM
I knew they'd forget one way or the other. That was the only way it can all fit with canon.
I wanted to wait till it ended, but now that it did, I can say it was a total mess. There are so many things I hated. I don't even know where to begin.
But still, I applaud them for trying. I know it was a low budget thing. Maybe they couldn't afford decent writers.

jerem
March 9th, 2018, 11:58 AM
The mission files explain a lot about the kids origins. Im assuming she was with Aset when Ra nuked the temple

I agree that there's a lot in the Mission Files. For example it explains why Aset was so attached to this child (her last link to Osiris).

But how did it served as a plot device for the current story? Haven't a clue. Remove the child and the story is pretty much the same, no?

EDIT: Unless the writers thought that was the only thing with enough motivation to justify Serqet's betrayal which prematurely brought Ra back on Abydos?

lightsyder
March 9th, 2018, 12:22 PM
Oh yeah, very true. Just serves as another reason for Ra to take her out and her bodyguard to betray her I guess

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
March 9th, 2018, 01:44 PM
I think we were all hoping for something better than a mind wipe....

Also, given how light heated and comedic this show was in tone - most of the characters ended up with pretty dark fates.

DigiFluid
March 9th, 2018, 02:57 PM
One minor thing that gave me pause: was the term “AWOL” common parlance in the 30s? I mean, it very well may have been—it just struck me as odd, that it would’ve been more believable if the guy had said something like “deserter.”

knowles2
March 9th, 2018, 07:15 PM
This show was all over the place. I kinda hope it works better as one film, we shall see. But there just seem to be a huge amount missing from this film to tell a cohesive story.



One minor thing that gave me pause: was the term “AWOL” common parlance in the 30s? I mean, it very well may have been—it just struck me as odd, that it would’ve been more believable if the guy had said something like “deserter.”

It a American term as well, you wouldn't think that a British official with a very british accent would be using that terminology.

Also found it strange that are already transferring it to the US, keeping it as a British project at the end of the film would have more sense. We know it gets transferred to America eventually but the war hasn't started yet, so the Brits have no need to trade the stargate for war materials.

A mention of the wound on the German being like nothing they have ever seen and what ever cause it could aid their coming war with Hitler. With London ordering that every effort be made to find out what cause would have made more sense. Her dad sending her off to America to keep her safe, with scenes of British soldiers securing the site, would set it up nicely for her being denied access to the stargate and the mind wipe and reprogramming explain nicely why she fought so hard to regain access.

Plus no British official would be talking about being able to intercept and decoding cables from Germany in such a public place either. It should have been phase differently, a friend in berlin for example or London just inform me that sources say that Germany are interested in capturing this object.


An one wonder why RA, knowing the earth is out there, heavily populated with billions of people and have clearly advance technology would just leave it alone to further advance.

Supergater
March 10th, 2018, 06:02 AM
This show was all over the place. I kinda hope it works better as one film, we shall see. But there just seem to be a huge amount missing from this film to tell a cohesive story.

Also found it strange that are already transferring it to the US, keeping it as a British project at the end of the film would have more sense. We know it gets transferred to America eventually but the war hasn't started yet, so the Brits have no need to trade the stargate for war materials.

An one wonder why RA, knowing the earth is out there, heavily populated with billions of people and have clearly advance technology would just leave it alone to further advance.

To be fair, only the Langfords "own" the stargate. No one was funding them anymore, hence no sponsors can claim the stargate. Possible reason the British were involved was because the government funded the original dig ten years ago and pulled funding as the war closes in and/or the only facility in Cairo large enough to house the stargate is an airplane hanger (British hanger since the former sponsors..). Therefore the Langfords can choose to ship the Stargate to US via old man Mitchell, LOL. (Remember the political and social tension in Europe was already very high and unsafe and therefore logically safer to continue research in US)

I too agree that maybe the British official were a bit cavalier talking about German cables in public. As for Ra, it is questionable as to why Ra would ignore us, although I doubt he knows Earth has billions of people but the guns are obvious signs for advance tech of Earthlings. Maybe the alluded Goa'uld-Asgard war means his focus is elsewhere or lack disposable resource to subjugate Earth?

Supergater
March 10th, 2018, 06:31 AM
Speaking of Asgard-Goa'uld war, here's a theory. Since we don't know the extend or duration of war, one way to connect so know points in history is:



Ra leads the System Lords in war all the way up until the movie.
In between SGO but closer to the movie, in trying to bolster war efforts, the Asgards find the Replicators, thus beginning the Asgard Replicator war (the wars overlap at the ends)
Meanwhile as their non-existent butts get handed to them, the collective System Lords wants to negotiate but only Ra wants to fight. Since he is the Supreme System Lord with the bulk of the fleet, the war continues.
Then Ra gets killed out of the blue on Abydos by O'Neill and Jackson, the Supreme System Lord goes to Lord Yu/Apophis and begin negotiating with the Asgard.
The Asgard, now secretly having to fight a losing war in their home galaxy while committing resources in our galaxy, bluffs an excuse (something like we don't want to exterminate you..) and signs the Protected Planets Treaty to end the war.
System Lords honor the treaty, not knowing of the plague of the Replicators, and with their regular squabbles, lead up to SG-1 pilot. The Asgard, like the Ancient in Pegasus, dedicated more and more resources to the war until Replicators were strong enough to attack Othala in "Small Victories"


What do you think? Plausible history filler between SGO and Stargate movie?

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
March 10th, 2018, 08:36 AM
I always thought that the PPT was older than that, but I don't think we ever knew for sure.

The mission files have something to say about Ra not ever returning to Earth. Essentially he had a fear about returning to the place of his greatest defeat/embarrassment. Though "publicly" the reason was that it wasn't worth the man power for a planet with no naquadah

thekillman
March 11th, 2018, 12:06 PM
I uh...wow. It's pretty much the ending I was expecting, but I was still floored by how lazily they did it.

I liked certain aspects of it, though the convenient brainwashing is very convenient. I was afraid they were going to go with that.

jerem
March 12th, 2018, 03:34 PM
I think we were all hoping for something better than a mind wipe....

Also, given how light heated and comedic this show was in tone - most of the characters ended up with pretty dark fates.

Very true, the contrast is pretty shocking actually. It's like everything was wrapped-up in a hurry after slowing down the narrative in episodes 3-7.


An one wonder why RA, knowing the earth is out there, heavily populated with billions of people and have clearly advance technology would just leave it alone to further advance.



The mission files have something to say about Ra not ever returning to Earth. Essentially he had a fear about returning to the place of his greatest defeat/embarrassment. Though "publicly" the reason was that it wasn't worth the man power for a planet with no naquadah

Yeah, although a big "shaky" for an explanation, I believe everything resides on the fact he doesn't know Earth's population. Had he known we were 2 billions, I'm sure he would have shifted his priorities a little bit. We would have turned out to be worthy of his interest.

sci-fi fanatic
March 13th, 2018, 07:05 AM
I'll agree with the group that the brainwashing was predictable and the easiest way out of the corner to save continuity. I also was stunned at how dark the finale was for everyone, including the Langfords. I still feel like the show would have been better without the Nazis at all; I was relieved when all were finally dead. Origins was an interesting experiment and had its moments, but I'm hoping for a lot more if we get another series at some point in the future. Still, it did get us all talking about Stargate again!

I also wrote a review of the last three episodes on my blog (plus a little bit on #StargateRising) in case you're interested:

http://www.ptsnob.com/2018/03/stargate-origins-episodes-8-10.html

Ian-S
March 14th, 2018, 05:24 PM
Well slightly predictable, but I'm still glad to watch new Stargate even if it did feel like watching fan fiction.

Is that the first f bomb in Stargate history too? Seems to be the in thing nowadays, take these family type shows, turn them really dark and throw in an f bomb or two to keep in with the kool kids. Maybe the baby is for a future storyline should the show be renewed, but continuous mind wipes to keep continuity is going to get old pretty quick.

What happened to the Nazi women film maker, did she cop it too off screen?

lightsyder
March 14th, 2018, 07:34 PM
Aset’s Bodyguard shot her before Ra showed up I think.

Pretty sure the baby was in the temple with Aset with Ra nuked it too

Ian-S
March 15th, 2018, 05:03 AM
Yeah I thought that too, doesn't mean the baby didn't survive though.

Major_Griff
March 17th, 2018, 01:21 PM
1. Why wouldn't Ra - with the knowledge that the Tau'ri have reopened their stargate - send an army though the gate to retake Earth? Or why wouldn't he send a couple of mother ships to Earth to wipe them out? Opening the gate shows humanity is becoming a threat. Why wouldn't Ra do something about it?

2. This episode is the prime example of why prequels aren't good. It spends most of its run time lazily and sloppily trying to justify everything with continuity and connect things to the movie and it feels so completely forced. Also Catherine having her mind wiped during the climax is bad writing straight up. Making your main character completely passive during the climax is not something you want to do.

3. Are we to believe that Wasif and the other guy become Anubis and whatshisname from the movie? Lol, okay.

4. What a waste of time. I hate to be so negative here, but there's nothing really for me to like about this. It's poorly written, poorly made, and it was made with little regard to established continuity. The mind wipe doesn't even solve the continuity issues completely as I pointed with Ra knowing Earth's gate is open but does nothing about it.

lightsyder
March 17th, 2018, 09:51 PM
Ra was supposed to be busy keeping the other System Lords in line and fighting with the Asgard.

I think Wasif and the other guy are the first of his human guards, not necessarily the ones from the movie though

The mission files cover some of this

Major_Griff
March 20th, 2018, 03:12 PM
Ra was supposed to be busy keeping the other System Lords in line and fighting with the Asgard.

I think Wasif and the other guy are the first of his human guards, not necessarily the ones from the movie though

The mission files cover some of this

I admit I haven't been reading the mission files, but their existence and the fact that they seem to 'explain' a lot of the inconsistencies and whatnot tells me that the PTB were aware of some of the more problematic elements and chose not to care. They could explain it away in supplemental material so why bother doing it right?

As for Ra being too busy with the Asgard and the other System Lords, he could have sent a naquadah bomb through and took care of any potential threat from Earth forever. No muss no fuss. So I don't buy that at all.

jerem
March 21st, 2018, 02:49 PM
As for Ra being too busy with the Asgard and the other System Lords, he could have sent a naquadah bomb through and took care of any potential threat from Earth forever. No muss no fuss. So I don't buy that at all.

Why would he want to do that?
He's just postponing for later... He doesn't want to destroy, he want to take advantage of. More slaves!

Major_Griff
March 22nd, 2018, 10:25 AM
Why would he want to do that?
He's just postponing for later... He doesn't want to destroy, he want to take advantage of. More slaves!

For the same reason he plans on doing that in the original movie…

Major_Griff
March 22nd, 2018, 10:30 AM
Which, yes in the movie Earth possessing the power of nuclear weapons makes it more urgent for Ra to wipe us out, but still I think having guns and opening the gate show that Earth has become a threat. Also, even if he wanted to use Earth for more slaves/hosts, in the 50 something years betwixt the events of Origins and the movie you're telling me he couldn't do something about this? He just let it go until it came back to bite him? Also you can lob a bomb through the gate to burry or possibly destroy it to keep Earth from causing any trouble until you can get to it.

It's ridiculous that Ra wouldn't do anything about this.

jerem
March 22nd, 2018, 03:36 PM
Perhaps 50 years is a short time for somebody who lives thousands of years.

I agree it doesn't seem likely nothing would happen over the 50 years now that we've revealed ourselves, but not strictly impossible either.

I mean, you could make the same argument as to why we've been left alone since 3000 B.C. Hasn't anyone taken the time to check upon us during ALL that time?

At this point, perhaps it's better to continue the same plothole :D

Major_Griff
March 31st, 2018, 07:05 AM
It's weaksauce. They should have kept Ra out of this completely. I could almost swallow the memory wipe filth if they didn't create such a glaring issue.

As for why Earth was left alone since 3000 BC, Ra didn't see us as being worth the trouble once the rebellion happened. With the gate out of action, there was no way for Earth to cause any problems, and I think at least in the Stargate universe, it's not a given that humans will advance as far as Earth did when left alone. We see plenty of planets in SG-1 who have been left alone by the Goa'uld but that don't advance to Earth level or beyond.

But once you're confronted with the fact that Earth has figured out the gate and has advanced beyond bows and arrows for weapons, I think they'd have your attention.

I mean we can go back and forth on this all we want, at the end of the day they should have never brought Ra into this, or at least kept him in the dark about the visitors from Earth.

WraithTech
April 3rd, 2018, 08:35 AM
Everything after Ra’s arrival happened waaaaaay too quickly. Blink and you might miss something—not that you will be missing much of anything pleasant to what happened to the majority of characters. :P

On another note, here is a wiki photo name and caption which made me chuckle: http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/File:Serqet%27s_crazy_maniacal_look.png
"Serqet's crazy maniacal look before murdering Beal" A bit editorial and spoilery for those looking at the wiki, but true. I liked the costumes of the Goa’uld, but am glad I made sure to make the costume thread I made about them be about their costumes and not them.
:lol:
Serqet was no friend to Aset and Aset should have seen that coming (but didn't seem to think twice with Brucke either).
EDIT: Also, now we know what the hook was for at the end of Serqet's staff-- to keep Beal from going through the gate.


What happened to the Nazi women film maker, did she cop it too off screen?
I interpreted the camera coming to a stop as symbolic of the story of her life being over. It was one of the eerier moments I will remember about the movie.


Yeah I thought that too, doesn't mean the baby didn't survive though.
That would be pretty bad to not have had some sort of plan to get her baby to safety. I kept waiting for her to send her baby through the gate with her quiet human attendant. She had so many plans for everyone else.


I think Wasif and the other guy are the first of his human guards, not necessarily the ones from the movie though
The ones from the movie had different ethnic looks, didn’t they? If they were not Jaffa, I figured he must just churn through the guards.

EDIT: One more thing: I sure hope Professor Langford's memory wipe didn't take away too much of his knowledge of the old language. He kind of needs some of that for his job. :lol:

Voxyn
April 4th, 2018, 03:09 AM
I really disliked the series as a whole.

Being a prequel it was obvious that everything would have to be reset to the movie starting point.
Which started me off with nice negative feelings.

I really disliked Catherine. She was so antagonistic towards everyone, even the man she is romantically involved in. They're trying to get her to slow down and come up with a plan but she bites their heads off.
I suppose it's normal to want to get your father back but somehow threatening the people with guns to your head doesn't seem like the way to go.

As others have said the fight choreography was a joke.
The bad humour was wrong.
It made me feel like it was a Dr Who episode.
Nobody seemed the take their situation seriously.

Why was the baby in so many scenes?
Is it normal to take your baby to a negotiation with a man who is clearly nuts?

The shots from Ra's ship at the end made me laugh.
His guns are THAT weak?
He made two tiny holes in the roof and blew up a tent.
He should be leaving two smoking craters like a meteorite hit.

Eight out of ten if it was a fanfilm.
One out of ten for a studio production.

TheVoidDragon
May 7th, 2018, 05:06 AM
1. Why wouldn't Ra - with the knowledge that the Tau'ri have reopened their stargate - send an army though the gate to retake Earth? Or why wouldn't he send a couple of mother ships to Earth to wipe them out? Opening the gate shows humanity is becoming a threat. Why wouldn't Ra do something about it?


I don't see the issue with Ra not considering Earth a threat. It's the same thing Apophis does despite Apophis going there himself and seeing the level of technology the Tau'ri have. In the pilot episode for the series Ra goes to Earth himself, gets a look around the gateroom and encounters several SGC guards - and he actually looses one of his personal guard to them - but he doesn't at any point show any actual interest in Earth from what i remember. Even after capturing SG1 he shows absolutely no interest in them, it isn't until they directly interrupt him as he's leaving (and with Teal'c betraying him) that he finally decides to send some Jaffa and then eventually just gives up after a few days. It isn't until after SG1 captures him on the Nox planet and they go on to do all sorts of other things that he finally decides to send 2 ships to Earth.

If Apophis, who was a quite powerful system lord, wouldn't consider them a threat after encountering the more advanced (than 1930s Earth) military personnel and seeing their level of technology himself, then i don't see why Ra would consider them a threat before the movie. Ra was the most powerful system lord, he probably had more important things to do than rush off and deal with them when they weren't a problem right away, and 70 years probably isn't a huge amount of time for a creature who's thousands of years old.

The Goa'uld are arrogant, self-centred and pretty much always underestimate their enemies. I don't think there's much chance he considered them worth any significant attention at the time.

Falcon Horus
June 24th, 2018, 06:21 AM
Since there doesn't seem to be a feature cut thread, I'll just leave this lengthy review of my viewing of it in here ... in the thread of the last episode.

I watched it friday and with the lowest expectations I could muster, .... I kinda like it....

...and by "kinda liked it", I mean that I didn't think it was all crappy as hell... cause damn... the story, no -- no. Nope, definitely no. I've seen fanfiction that is far better than this story.

They ruined the Goa'uld. They obviously never saw a ring transporter up close. It's like those rings never stopped coming. There are FIVE rings (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Transportation_rings), no more, no less. I mean, they even use rings in the 1994 film so if this story was really written by Stargate fans, they should have known this.

Also, Au Set or Aset, who was indeed an Egyptian Goddess, could never have been on Abydos at the time of this happening for it is established in SG-1's canon that Isis (as the Greeks called Aset) was stuck in a jar, at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean (as told in season 4 -- The Curse).

Do your damn homework!

However, they do get points for, more or less, doing their homework on Serqet. In the myths (http://ancientegyptonline.co.uk/serqet.html) she protected Isis/Aset and Osiris from Setesh, and saved Horus when he was poisoned by his uncle. Obviously as a Goa'uld she's not above betrayal as she clearly demonstrates when she calls in Ra.

The gate looked like ... well, we build a gate with our prop group and honestly that looks ten times better. It at least feels halfway real, and looks halfway real. Even our DHD looks more real -- at least the big red button in the middle does. And it's made out of styrofoam (the DHD, not our gate).

Ra looked like he had shrunk in the wash. Or like a bobblehead... not entirely sure which. Nevertheless, if Funko Pop needs inspiration for their next Pop, I say Ra should be a contender.

Mohawk and Wasif -- :nox: <3
Such a beautiful story those two were given. That budding relationship. Such a beautiful story as it meanders through the rest of it, little touches here and there. But then of course, they are dealt the tragic ending. (%$&^!) you too!
The masks were wicked thought -- my inner propbuilder was squeeing with delight!

They use a sequence from Stargate (1994) in the beginning which I think set the story on track, but when they "land Ra's ship" they use a crappy 3D shot that made me cringe. Seriously, if they ran out of money, they should have used more footage from 1994. At least, that would have made it look epic. The crappy 3D, however, gave it a ridiculous look and gone was the tension. Just facepalming...

Talking about cringeworthy backdrops -- that window view in the temple/gateroom/throneroom (jail must have been next door, just around the corner from the cave where Catherine smashes the 7th glyph much to Kasuf's horror). If it looked even more fake than it did, it would have literally looked like actual wallpaper. It looked like a bloody painting -- something painted by René Magritte (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Magritte) perhaps.
Don't make backdrops look like static paintings that lack any depth... *cringe* -- the low budget was felt. It hurt. :teyla30:

The story leaves much to be desired, like a lot... like a lot lot lot. It's not complete. Whole chunks of it are clearly missing and it's annoying to say the least. Come on, it's a disjointed piece of work, that jumps from one chapter into the next. Maybe it's because it's just an edited version of sticking 10 episodes together but by the goddesses, if they had put in a little more effort, spend just a little more time on the galore of the franchise with more attention to detail, we could have had a miniseries of 4 episodes with a runtime of 180 minutes. They should have taken Tutankhamon (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5193662/?ref_=ttep_ep_tt) as example -- that could have worked perfectly.

The miniseries is about how Howard Carter finds the boy king's tomb. It has 4 episodes and runs 180 minutes. I'm sure the production costs were much higher, considering who's in the cast and where it was filmed (entirely on location in South Africa) but if that had been the template on which Stargate Origins: Catherine had been built. By the gods, MGM would have set the franchise up for a revival that could have opened a whole new set of stories, and would have definitely brought in a whole bunch of new fans to the franchise.

Individually, I liked most of the dialogue that took place. Liked Catherine -- Ellie Gall does a very good job. Daniel Rashid as Kasuf -- he was phenomenal. I really liked Kasuf and Catherine's scenes together. Wasif and Beal -- British finest -- sort of. Wasif, I like. Beal, I'm not sure about.

I also really liked the effort to speak Egyptian, even though we still have no idea what the correct pronunciation is really.
And whenever the Goa'uld opened their mouths, I half expected Imhotep from The Mummy to make a guest appearance. I mean, what was up with those voices. Wha...?!? :confused:

And then ... that Deus Ex Machina at the end, to set the record straight again so that it would at least fit in with established Stargate 1994 canon... :rolleyes: ... fail!

*sigh*

To summarize, if MGM actually had some believe in their own franchise, and given this the proper attention it so very much deserved, perhaps this could have been a major success and could have opened a whole new set of incredible stories. But alas, it shows their budget was limited and they had to make do with what they were given. They tried to make the best of it, and well... I hate to say it but... this was sad. MGM clearly doesn't believe in Stargate, and it shows. It's absolutely and truly sad.

My sister made the comment that if this is the only thing they were willing to put forth, than they should have left well enough alone. And I agree.

There is also no chance in hell, or anywhere else, that I'm going to pay the equivalent of 20 dollars for this as a digital download. That is literally seriously overpriced. I don't want to give MGM the impression that this is the kind of stargate I'm okay with paying for. After the way they have treated the fanbase -- no (%$&^!)ing way!

For reference, the digital download available from iTunes, the Microsoft Store, the Playstation Store and Google Play, would cost me 16,99 euro (which is approx. 19,99 US dollar). Allow me to give you a comparison as to why I will not spend that kind of money on ONE digital download of 104' of stargate:

(missing from my collection at this point)
Stargate Atlantis season 4 -- 14,99 €
Stargate Atlantis season 5 -- 12,26 £
Stargate Universe season 1 & 2 -- 36,99 €
Stargate SG-1: Ark of Truth & Stargate Continuum -- 5,99 £

Stargate Infinity season 1 -- 16,85 €

I can buy quality for the same amount as I would have to pay for a poor quality digital download (story-wise, not HD-wise).
Infinity aside, perhaps (as far as story-quality goes, I don't know).

I'm also not paying the same amount of money for the feature cut, which only gives me access to the Origins when every premium member gets every mission file and behind the scenes and dial home interviews for the same amount of money. All the series for streaming (which I care less about) and a free download code (even if most are disappointed it's for iTunes only).

lightsyder
June 24th, 2018, 07:38 AM
The whole Aset jar situation is covered in one of the mission files on the Stargate command website

Platschu
June 24th, 2018, 08:42 AM
The whole Aset jar situation is covered in one of the mission files on the Stargate command website
It was unnecessary to use that Egyptian Goa'uld as the story hasn't given any other details why they needed so desperately Isis/Aset. They could have chosen any other one for the nursing purpose. Even the cloning was not introduced until Anubis downloaded informations from Thor's brain at the end of season 5. So the Goa'uld was not aware of this technology before...

Even the whole Harsiesis subplot was unnecessary as well, because we don't know anything about the baby. I can only assume that the "caring" nature of Isis saved the Langfords at the end, because she knew that Earth will revenge her later. So I am guessing that was the only reason why have they chosen a mother type Goa'uld.

So anyway I have to treat this Origins story like an Alternative Universe story what could have happened.

lightsyder
June 24th, 2018, 01:16 PM
I'm not disagreeing that the choices could have been much better. Just pointing out that they tried to explain the Aset/Isis plot hole.

Platschu
June 24th, 2018, 02:22 PM
I know.... But her name hasn't added anything to the story. They could have introduced any other unknown minor Goa'uld.

It is already an interesting question why the Goa'uld spared their enemies in the past : Osiris and Isis, then Sahmet, then even Egeria. These merciful actions don't pass to the violent nature of the Goa'uld. I would rather imagine that they have served and eated their enemies, not just simply lock them up as punishment. ;)

Falcon Horus
June 24th, 2018, 04:10 PM
The whole Aset jar situation is covered in one of the mission files on the Stargate command website

Tiny problem with those Mission Files -- they are, as of yet, still all-access only and therefore not accessible for every non-6-country member.

However, a friendly all-access member at Stargate Command (the count is up to four who offered a glimpse behind the scenes) copied and pasted the mission files text in private messages so that's how I know that they indeed try to cover the Aset/Isis issue.

However, the mistake they make, even in their cover-up, is that Aset was the original name of the goddess in Egyptian mythology and Isis was the name the Ancient Greeks gave to her. So, she didn't switch from Isis to Aset, but from Aset to Isis but was never any different, just went by different names in different times.

Osiris was known as Uris in Ancient Egyptian mythology (again Osiris is the Ancient Greek naming).

lightsyder
June 24th, 2018, 04:48 PM
Maybe they just didn't want to use the name Isis

Colonel Rebel
June 24th, 2018, 05:18 PM
I was finally able to watch this now that the feature cut was out. Overall, I thought it was a lot of fun. The actors were great (especially Ellie Gall and Connor Trinneer), and the premise was entertaining if a bit predictable. The ending was bittersweet, but I still liked it. It was amazing to see some new Stargate content after so long.

Falcon Horus
June 25th, 2018, 01:55 AM
Maybe they just didn't want to use the name Isis

Why wouldn't they?

It's an Egyptian goddess, in their mythology. I have no issue with their use of Aset but Aset and Isis are one and the same deity. And considering SG-1 canon states Isis and her mate Osiris were at the bottom of the Atlantic, that makes for a poor break in canon galore. So either, this is not, as MGM claimed series canon, but instead movie canon.

The other is IS -- completely unrelated to Ancient Egypt.

lightsyder
June 25th, 2018, 11:30 AM
I know it's unrelated, just thiught they might not want the negativity associated with it now. Just speculation on my part

Falcon Horus
June 25th, 2018, 12:34 PM
I know it's unrelated, just thiught they might not want the negativity associated with it now. Just speculation on my part

Isis was first -- :p

lightsyder
June 25th, 2018, 01:07 PM
Lol! Very true!

Osiristi
June 29th, 2018, 05:49 AM
Well, it's a fair point. No one wants to be associated with the IS, and unfortunately Isis as a name does have negative connotations in that department. Even Downton Abbey apparently killed a character's dog named Isis. They claim it was not because of the IS but you just know it was.

Falcon Horus
June 29th, 2018, 06:28 AM
Well, it's a fair point. No one wants to be associated with the IS, and unfortunately Isis as a name does have negative connotations in that department. Even Downton Abbey apparently killed a character's dog named Isis. They claim it was not because of the IS but you just know it was.

I don't associate IS with Isis because they are two different things. One is a terrorist group that is actually named ISIL, and the other is an Egyptian goddess.

If you are incapable of distinguishing between the two, then the problem lies with you (general) and not the character in question.

However, in relation to Origins, it doesn't actually matter since they don't follow series' canon but movie canon. The Steward expedition is an SG-1 invention. In the film all gods and goddesses were fair game.

Osiristi
June 30th, 2018, 12:08 PM
I don't associate IS with Isis because they are two different things. One is a terrorist group that is actually named ISIL, and the other is an Egyptian goddess.

If you are incapable of distinguishing between the two, then the problem lies with you (general) and not the character in question.

However, in relation to Origins, it doesn't actually matter since they don't follow series' canon but movie canon. The Steward expedition is an SG-1 invention. In the film all gods and goddesses were fair game.

Please, no need to turn this into a personal attack. I'm not saying I think of IS when speaking about Isis but that people in general do so. Just google Isis. Most of the results are not about the Goddess. Please try to understand this without attacking other users.

lightsyder
June 30th, 2018, 12:32 PM
Yes, that is what I meant. The general public is not going to tie the word to Egyptian mythology.

Granted Stargate fans probably know better but all won't and it's probably MGM'S view that simply avoiding potential negative ties is the best option

Platschu
June 30th, 2018, 01:09 PM
Maybe Hathor could have been a better choice then, but then it could have been harder to close story how she ends up in Latin America. :P

Taurt could have been a good candidate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret
But since they have used "her" in the LOST, I doubt that they wanted to introduce her in the SG as well.

A little off. While I was studying the fertility goddess, I was not aware that Qetesh had mythological connection too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qetesh
Hmmm. Shame on me. How can I be a Vala fan if I don't know such informations. Anyway the "she was a fertility goddess of sacred ecstasy and sexual pleasure"... fits perfecty. :D :D :D So maybe Claudia Black could have played her as Quetesh, but then she would have told the team that actually she managed to meet the Langfords long time ago on Abydos. Then it would be also not logical why Ra would keep Quetesh/Vala alive, so just ignore this little mini fan fiction. :P

Falcon Horus
June 30th, 2018, 03:27 PM
Please, no need to turn this into a personal attack.

I was not attacking anyone -- I was talking about the "general" you. Perhaps, I should have been more clear.


Yes, that is what I meant. The general public is not going to tie the word to Egyptian mythology.

Granted Stargate fans probably know better but all won't and it's probably MGM'S view that simply avoiding potential negative ties is the best option

That's BS. If the general public hasn't a clue, they should have paid better attention in history class, or read a bit more. Isis and Osiris aren't unknown Egyptian gods either. And pretty common knowledge.

lightsyder
June 30th, 2018, 05:02 PM
I can assure you no history class I ever had covered Egyptian mythology. I learned what I did by reading up on it on my own.

We have our differing opinions on the subject, end of story.