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February 9th, 2018, 11:55 PM
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jerem
February 14th, 2018, 07:47 PM
I'm smelling a nice possible tie-in with SG-1's "The Curse", since the Goa'uld is revealed to be Isis/Aset in the Mission Files. :zelenka25:

Maelum
February 14th, 2018, 08:53 PM
really? weird, but Isis is dead in the curse, put in the canopic jars with Osiris thousands of years ago??

Osiristi
February 15th, 2018, 12:28 AM
In addition to having Isis there breaking the SG-1 canon, I think it would be very unwise to use that character in a modern production considering the current connotations of the name.

And so much for the canon. It's going to either be AU or memory wipe, if they want to call it canon. The next 70 minutes will tell, I guess.

tomaso88
February 15th, 2018, 12:41 AM
I paid for the subscription to support but this is pretty bleh. Not because it's low budget but because the story just isn't that thrilling and is fairly generic. A short episode of sg1 or atlantis characters talking in a room would have been more entertaining even. Canon has already been ruined as well seems like they were trying to combine the movie and series ideas in to one.

The only thing I do like is the music they use as it's still they great music we came to love when watching stargate.

rockerlad
February 15th, 2018, 04:54 AM
What makes people think it's Isis

Elite Anubis Guard
February 15th, 2018, 12:28 PM
Still trying to keep an open mind but I'm a little worried now she's actually gone through the Stargate. My hopes for a neater and less "mindwipey" ending have gone out the window. The Goa'uld planet set looked cheap too. The ribbon device effect also looked on the cheap end. They're showing the budget a bit.

Still gonna keep watching, though. Hopeful it'll pick up a bit more.

ultimateneeb99
February 15th, 2018, 02:44 PM
What makes people think it's Isis

According to the Mission Files on Stargate Command, it's not Isis, but it is Aset.

jerem
February 15th, 2018, 02:58 PM
According to the Mission Files on Stargate Command, it's not Isis, but it is Aset.

And according to Wikipedia, Isis/Aset is the same goddess, just a different name. Apparently Aset is her Egyptian name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis

jerem
February 15th, 2018, 03:07 PM
really? weird, but Isis is dead in the curse, put in the canopic jars with Osiris thousands of years ago??

If my memory is correct, the assumption was that the jar was broken during transport at a later time... But reading back from transcript of "The Curse":


SARAH

Every member of the original expedition in 1931 died within a year of the dig. Then the ship transporting these artifacts to American sank off the coast of New Jersey six months later.
DANIEL

The Steward Expedition.
SARAH

Yes.
DANIEL

Those deaths were attributed to mold spores that were released from the unsealed chamber.
SARAH

Mold spores aren't exactly front page material.
DANIEL

No, I guess not. Er…if these things went down with the ship in 1931, how'd they wind up here?

So 1931 is still before 1939. Yeah, screw the potential tie-in I was hoping for.

And again, a continuity issue I don't see how they can resolve now, as Isis/Aset is supposed to be inside a canopic jar at the bottom of the ocean in 1939.

GateWorld
February 15th, 2018, 06:00 PM
Since she's only called "Aset" on the show, the apparent way to reconcile this with canon is that in the Stargate universe Aset and Isis are simply two different Goa'uld -- who eventually came to be confused by Egyptian culture.

What's more intriguing to me is that, when I look up "Isis," she's depicted as holding a baby:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Isis-Egyptian-goddess

The baby depicted in this figure is Horus, who SG-1 fans will recognize as another name for Heru'ur (https://www.gateworld.net/wiki/Heru'ur). Teal'c identified Heru'ur as the son of Ra and Hathor ("Thor's Chariot"). But what if he was wrong about his heritage?

So my research continues with the Britannica entry on Horus:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Horus

He's associated with Ra on the one hand, and also in the story of Isis and Osiris on the other. But here's the kicker: One of many names associated with Horus (a.k.a. Heru'ur) is Harsiesis (Har-si-Ese, “Horus, Son of Isis”).

Harcesis ... "Son of Isis."

There'd been fan speculation for years that Heru'ur himself might have been a Harcesis, because Teal'c identified him as having two Goa'uld parents. If true that would mean that his Goa'uld parentage refers to his human host, and not merely his symbiote (as, say, Klorel was the "son" of Apophis and an unnamed "Queen Mother" -- possibly Amonet -- but not a Harcesis).

jerem
February 15th, 2018, 06:45 PM
Since she's only called "Aset" on the show, the apparent way to reconcile this with canon is that in the Stargate universe Aset and Isis are simply two different Goa'uld -- who eventually came to be confused by Egyptian culture.

Sure OK... There could have been confusion among the old Egyptians, or even miss-interpretation by historians who studied ancient Egypt. Or better yet, just lost in translation as it went from egyptian to Coptic, Greek and eventually the modern Isis name. I sorta can buy that, even though it sounds a bit like a scapegoat. Thanks, that helps. Not sure why writers would choose to make it look as if our History was entirely wrong on this point instead of simply following it but whatever...



But what if he was wrong about his heritage?

Teal'c is never wrong! :P

Seriously though, I like this story/theory you dug up on Isis's, especially Heru'ur pedigree. Interesting speculation! Sadly it doesn't connect with anything SGO related if we accept the "Aset and Isis are simply two different Goa'uld" explanation.

Now, if only we could explain all other inconsistencies this easily ;)

Supergater
February 15th, 2018, 08:11 PM
See the "Mission Files" on StargateCommand.co feeds/news. It says that the female Goa'uld is Aset and they gated to Abydos. Apparently, she's a minor Goa'uld "relaxing" on Abydos, subservient to Ra. I guess by the time SGO ends, Aset (historically aka Isis, Osiris' mate) is killed/captured by Ra with Ra fully taking control of Abydos, maybe start constructing the pyramid atop the palace (noted the missing pyramid in this episode).

Supergater
February 15th, 2018, 08:29 PM
Ever since I watched and re-watched Stargate series multiple times, I also (amateurishly) research real life Egyptian/Greek/Norse mythology. Based on what I roughly understand, which Egyptian gods is parents to which changes multiple times over time. This is attributed to one new cult gaining popularity over another over time and the new cult copy aspects they like of the previous god. Example are like Ra + Hathor = Horus and later changing to Isis + Osiris = Horus; cult of Anubis god of underworld losing popularity to Osiris god of underworld.

So it is merely a matter of the SG1 writers cherry picking which mythology they like to adapt for the show. Hopefully this clears up some things. Cheers.

Supergater
February 15th, 2018, 08:40 PM
Btw, if anyone here read the SG-1 novel "Moebius Squared", where current SG-1 meets time-stranded SG-1 from "Moebius, Part 2", stranded Teal'c and his human Egyptian girlfriend Aset flew off into the "sunset"(space) because his symbiote was the immature queen Egeria, founder of the Tok'ra. Wild theory here but could be she was captured and implanted with a new matured symbiote who took her name.

Maelum
February 15th, 2018, 09:59 PM
well. as more parts come out and more Mission files are written, we might be able to piece it all together at the end, with that final mission file on episode 10 :)

Kilgharrah
February 16th, 2018, 04:15 AM
Major problem here. The stargate stayed on for so long without anything or anyone going through. How is this possible???

And according to Wikipedia, Isis/Aset is the same goddess, just a different name. Apparently Aset is her Egyptian name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
That's not correct BTW. Her Egyptian name is Isis with a different pronunciation.She's called Ezees in Egypt.

jerem
February 16th, 2018, 06:58 AM
Major problem here. The stargate stayed on for so long without anything or anyone going through. How is this possible???
There has always been some story-telling leeway from episode to episode as far as how long a gate stayed opened with nobody going through.
Granted, they kinda stretched it a little. But it's not like there's an exact time either.

Same thing with getting shot with a zat gun... Sometimes you're out for a long time, some times you're not even loosing consciousness.



That's not correct BTW. Her Egyptian name is Isis with a different pronunciation.She's called Ezees in Egypt.

I was referring to *ancient* egypt, but I could have been wrong about that too. Either way, encyclopedia Britannica event starts their article by saying the following:

Isis, Egyptian Aset or Eset, one of the most important goddesses[...]

sci-fi fanatic
February 16th, 2018, 07:02 AM
I was already concerned with continuity, and after reading this thread, I realize that I missed a lot of it. I found that scene with Aset to be so weird. I understand that they have limited budget to create sets, but it felt strange that she was standing right near the gate with the baby. With that said, this was the most interesting episode of the three (not a ringing endorsement), so we'll see how it goes.

jerem
February 16th, 2018, 07:38 AM
Got provided provided with another theory that could keep Isis and Aset the "same" Goa'uld.... Cloning!

Aren't we told she's a scientist/engineer/inventor? Perhaps she'll have developed similar technology to what BAAL will be doing many decades later.

Just imagine the following: What if the canopic jars from the Stewart expedition were containing clones of both Isis and Osiris? Like a "backup" in case Ra would kill them. After all, theses jars were designed to keep the Goa'uld alive indefinitely.
But then the gate on Earth got buried ~5000 years ago and nobody came back to reclaim/revive them. And somehow Isis and Osiris (the real ones) got killed between then and now. We may even get to see Isis/Aset's death in SGO.
To think that Osiris/Sarah Gardner was a clone all along... Mindboggling ;-)

Sniforge
February 16th, 2018, 12:05 PM
I wanted to support SGOrigins, i was exited at first to see it, but 3 episodes and a tone of continuity issues Its an insult to every stargate fan, its like the writers just gave us all a big middle finger right in our faces.

I have watched sg1, atlantis and universe at least 3 times each, SG1 is my all time favorite tv show.
I am forced to watch origins because im a big fan, and i wanted it to succeed and to be good.
I was not expecting SG1;Atlantis or universe quality, i was ok with that even with the fanfic feeling of it.

BUT the continuity trashed is so INSULTING its insane, 18 seasons just trashed.
Stargate became great because they had fans watching and buying their stuff, these fans made stargate what it is with their love and support, for the writers and producers and directors and actors that did an amazing job with it and it became great.

I really hope that before this first season of SGO is finished we see something happen that deletes all knowledge of the gate, or amnesia or time changing ANYTHING!

but.. with the fact that they traveled to a world that is not abydos destroyed continuity already, because in sg1 abydos coords worked because it was the closest gate in the gate network to earth..

And since im talking about the gate... REALLY ? you can power it with a car ?
This is a direct quote from General Hammond : "It costs nearly a billion dollars just to turn the lights on around here."

im guessing the lights were REALLY OLD and required a tone of power right ?
not to mention all the times SG1 had to find power sourced to power the gate ... because it required ALLOT.
Maybe they were not plugging them right.... RIGHT?

All and all. out of 10 i would give this a week 3. I hope the next episodes are better.
I want to support this but... i dont want more of this. Sell the license to someone who will take good care of it pls.

Sniforge
February 16th, 2018, 12:11 PM
why not ? continuity has already been ruined... so it could well be her. or anyone for that matter. could be Baal for all we know lol continuity means nothing to origin.

Sniforge
February 16th, 2018, 12:12 PM
cannon has been destroyed on multiple occasions during these 3 episodes. This being isis.. would not break anything that isent broken already. I wish they never made SGorigins..

Darren
February 16th, 2018, 12:17 PM
it felt strange that she was standing right near the gate with the baby.

The Stargate is located in the Temple of Aset, which does make some sense. By the feature film there are no Goa'uld presently living (and ruling in Ra's stead) on Abydos, so the team ends up gating into an empty structure.


Got provided provided with another theory that could keep Isis and Aset the "same" Goa'uld.... Cloning!

Interesting theory! Though in Baal's case, didn't he get cloning technology from what Anubis had stolen from the Asgard? I had the impression during Season 9 that cloning was far beyond the level that the Goa'uld were at. (And ultimately even the Asgard couldn't get it right.)


BUT the continuity trashed is so INSULTING its insane, 18 seasons just trashed.

I'm not sure why you would draw this conclusion preemptively. Because the Langfords went through the gate? The story isn't over. Lots can happen in another 70 minutes.


but.. with the fact that they traveled to a world that is not abydos destroyed continuity already, because in sg1 abydos coords worked because it was the closest gate in the gate network to earth..

Why do you suppose they are not on Abydos?


And since im talking about the gate... REALLY ? you can power it with a car ?

SG-1 did so in "1969." Granted the truck batteries likely had greater output, but nothing in canon has suggested that this is not possible. In fact there's some evidence that the gate requires relatively little power: remember when they dialed it using Linea's juiced-up plants ("Prisoners")?

jerem
February 16th, 2018, 01:30 PM
Interesting theory! Though in Baal's case, didn't he get cloning technology from what Anubis had stolen from the Asgard? I had the impression during Season 9 that cloning was far beyond the level that the Goa'uld were at. (And ultimately even the Asgard couldn't get it right.)


Asgard technology? Perhaps... Although I was more under the impression that Baal learned of cloning while he was having fun on our small planet. In some ways, I had always assumed it was our own technology all along, perhaps combined with whatever the Asgard gave us while we were trying to help them with their cloning problem (in "Covenant").
Take SG-1 episode "Nightwalkers" where a bunch of Goa'uld symbiotes were cloned by this company before the town was taken over. I would think this was done only with Earth's technology and know-how.

And let's not forget that in the real world, cloning animal has been around for at least a quarter century already, without help from aliens (conspiracy theorists cue here :P). So one could assume it can easily be developed independently by the Goa'uld, since they supposedly are more advanced than us.



SG-1 did so in "1969." Granted the truck batteries likely had greater output, but nothing in canon has suggested that this is not possible. In fact there's some evidence that the gate requires relatively little power: remember when they dialed it using Linea's juiced-up plants ("Prisoners")?

Yes, they obviously designed that scene around what was seen in "1969". However it seemed much weaker in SGO making it less believable. I agree it felt like a "cheat", to the point I would probably have preferred the Nazi to fly down their DHD from Berlin or pull-out an old Goa'uld dial-out thingy artifact like what BAAL used in "Continuum". They could have unearthed it at the same place all their equally unbelievable parchment documentation came from for all I care ;)

That said, I would like to point out SG1 episode "Nemesis" where they dialed the gate with absolutely no direct source of power. They explained it by saying the gate had enough energy "stored" internally already to dial out once, from being connected in the SGC.
One could perhaps explain the 1969 case by saying a residual charge was still left from the experiments done in 1945, and the 3 (and way bigger) trucks had only provided whatever power was missing.
Perhaps same thing somehow could be said for SGO too? Although the gate was left unpowered for ~5000 years.



Interesting theory!

I thought so too, wish I could claim it as my own, but it comes from a Facebook friend I was exchanging with earlier today.
Now I'm really hoping that the baby shown might be the future host for Heru'ur, an Harsesis (meaning "Horus, son of Isis"). Kinda is why I'm hoping that Isis and Aset are the same!

NickEast
February 17th, 2018, 01:36 AM
SG-1 did so in "1969." Granted the truck batteries likely had greater output, but nothing in canon has suggested that this is not possible. In fact there's some evidence that the gate requires relatively little power: remember when they dialed it using Linea's juiced-up plants ("Prisoners")?

Carter said the plants created "cold fusion", and if real-world theories are anything to go by, they should generate significantly more power than a normal generator.

Ilana
February 17th, 2018, 09:40 AM
I watched all three episodes...yeah, cheap production values, story telling seemed on point... very claustrophobic set on the alien planet -- Abydos??? I find Catherine a bit too jarring and earnest and hope that if this continues they will ramp her down a bit...too anachronistic.

I am hopeful that like a lot of projects, this will even out. I kept telling myself this is a webcast and so allowances must be made.

Platschu
February 18th, 2018, 11:59 AM
German soldier wears a female panties. This is also a wrong joke what has nothing to do with Stargate.

Callie
February 20th, 2018, 06:29 AM
Agreed - the underwear 'joke' was completely out of order. Someone needs to remind the production team that they're filming in the 21st century, for crying out loud. The only thing distasteful about a man wanting to wear women's underwear is that he took it without her permission.

Daniel.
February 22nd, 2018, 05:08 AM
Do you know How stupid it sounds for a German ... What the Nazis are saying?

Low Budget is no reason to do work like a Student.

Finally origins destoyed soundness from the Point of view of fans.

The MGM Management Needs to say sorry to the Fan base.

After that big mistake they will not get a Second chance which means stargate is killed for ever.

The license will become very cheap After that.

WraithTech
February 26th, 2018, 09:42 AM
Agreed - the underwear 'joke' was completely out of order. Someone needs to remind the production team that they're filming in the 21st century, for crying out loud. The only thing distasteful about a man wanting to wear women's underwear is that he took it without her permission.

Excellent point. Similarly, the lead antagonist being given a gratuitous facial scar is outdated. Accidents and surgeries do not mean anything and modern cinema has lead characters who recovered from major accidents, such as Deadpool.