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August 22nd, 2017, 08:09 PM
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<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Daenerys and her allies arrive in King's Landing for a tense negotiation with Cersei, hoping to convince her of their common threat in the north. Sansa passes judgment in Winterfell, while at Dragonstone Theon stands up for his sister. Elsewhere, Eastwatch comes under attack.</DIV>
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Skydiver
August 27th, 2017, 07:22 PM
So, Cersei remains true to form....a nutcase.

ALthough this is probably the first time the whole cast has ever been together.

Sansa and Arya prove that blood is thicker than water. and Bran is the keeper of all truths.
Sam is where he needs to be to help Jon and to prove Jon's lineage.
Littlefinger gets his just rewards....finally

Jon and Dany.....are working on little Dany's and Jons

ANd the nice ominous last scene, the dead come for hte wall and we get to see just what an ice dragon can do.

Tyrion summed it up, they're frakked

Teddybrown
August 28th, 2017, 01:28 AM
Slow start, but a very good episode none the less.

Jamie has finally left Cersei, finally realising how mad she is. That last scene though...

Season 8 cant come fast enough!

SoulReaver
August 28th, 2017, 03:03 AM
hail the Night King, First of his kind, King of the walkers and the dead men, Lord of the frozen kingdoms and Destroyer of the Realm

Long may he reign http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/soggoth.gif

fems
August 28th, 2017, 04:17 AM
hail the Night King, First of his kind, King of the walkers and the dead men, Lord of the frozen kingdoms and Destroyer of the Realm

Long may he reign http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/soggoth.gif

You forgot raiser of the dead and rider of dragons.

SoulReaver
August 28th, 2017, 05:23 AM
and Maker of Chains

Skydiver
August 28th, 2017, 06:02 AM
I loved Jamie finally breaking with her. 'yeah sorry guys, I don't have an army but I do have me'

Cersei is more and more alone and will probably have that baby with nothing but her lady in waiting.
I can see either it being a dwarf that kills her (her mother's fate), or the sand snake getting out of the dungeon and killing her, or she's not pregnant at all, it's a tumor, her hate is literally eating her alive.

Arya has settled into a role she's well suited for. And she and Sansa turned to each other instead of each other. I'm guessing Sansa was smart enough to go to Bran and say 'dude, what's going on?'

We have not just vague canon, but blatant canon that Jon is the true king.

fems
August 28th, 2017, 06:51 AM
Maybe Cersei simply thinks she's pregnant but is entering menopause? Or the stress of her losses, actions and the war is getting to her and her body is reacting to it. Or maybe she'll have a miscarriage. I'm glad Jaime left and didn't stick around for the sake of their unborn child. He's right, that kid wouldn't live to be born if the army of the dead comes for them.

Does anyone know why Tyrion was loitering in the corridor to Dany's room? I get that he may have wanted to talk to her or whatever, then for viewer's purposes he had to witness Jon going into her room and obviously coming to the conclusion that they're going to have sex (because then someone other than them will know they slept together once they find out they're related). But why was he standing there for so long? He could have just turned around and left, yet he kept loitering.

Skydiver
August 28th, 2017, 10:27 AM
Maybe waiting to see how long they 'talked', or maybe to run interference if anyone else tried to go into the room to keep them from walking in on it all.

Skydiver
August 28th, 2017, 10:35 AM
Presuming characters survive

I can see Jamie taking the black. He knows what's beyond the wall and he'll dedicate himself to stopping it

Sam will run his family with Gilly as his wife

Gendry will become Hand to the Jon

Arya may very well end up lady of Winterfell.

Bran is going to meld with that tree

I honestly don't know if I see Dany surviving. Cersei won't, or if she does she'll be in a nuthouse. If she's not killed I can see her jumping from the red keep if she doesn't die in child birth or from her illness

If Cersei has a child I can see Tyrion taking it and raising it somewhere to try and break the Lannister family cycle of violence (but as some have said, a prophecy suggests she'll not have more than 3 children)


For a lot of the others their chances are 50/50 at best.

One of the bigger questions is if the night king has any real motivation or if he's just a zombie plot device.

P-90_177
August 28th, 2017, 03:45 PM
Never considered that Jaime might take the black but that actually seems very likely doesn't it? He hates being known as a King Slayer and Oath Breaker. What better way to repent than to take the black and take an oath that he can keep for the rest of his life. Possibly as even as Lord Commander. Assuming they don't destroy the Night King and Walkers outright. But then again they may want to keep the Night's Watch as a ceremonial unit anyway, given how it also functions as a punishment / means of redemption for criminals.

Cersei has to die which would leave Tyrion as the heir to House Lannister and Warden of the West which would be a perfectly good ending for him, particularly if he gets to stay as hand to the King / Queen.

As for Dany and Jon I get the feeling that they won't end the show with them together. I suspect that either one of them will die, leaving the other one free to take the Iron Throne, or one of them will step down and renounce the throne.
At the moment my best guess is that once the truth is revealed it'll put a wedge between them. Dany will consider stepping down but will ultimately choose not to and Jon will probably say that he has no interest being King of the Seven Kingdoms but there will still be some distrust, particularly if Dany becomes more erratic and Jon starts to second guess her. Personally I think Dany will die. But Jon won't take up his role as a Targaryan easily. After all in his heart he is still a Stark. He still has his own Direwolf. He may even choose to become King but with the Stark name still.

Skydiver
August 28th, 2017, 04:12 PM
My impression with the wights is that it's cyclical....you can't kill them all. ALl you can do is beat them back and keep them on the other side of the wall for a period of time. People still die and will find their way under the night king.

Now I can see them altering the nights watch to make it less priest like and more warrior like...in other words if Brienne wants to join the watch she can. WHich will make Jamie happy.

I too do not see a happy ending. ANd I also see Dany being the likley death. I mean how many times has Jon died :)

P-90_177
August 28th, 2017, 04:34 PM
My impression with the wights is that it's cyclical....you can't kill them all. ALl you can do is beat them back and keep them on the other side of the wall for a period of time. People still die and will find their way under the night king.

Now I can see them altering the nights watch to make it less priest like and more warrior like...in other words if Brienne wants to join the watch she can. WHich will make Jamie happy.

I too do not see a happy ending. ANd I also see Dany being the likley death. I mean how many times has Jon died :)

Not a 100% true. We have seen that when a White Walker is killed some of the Wights just disintegrate. So, although it's not a certainty, if you kill ALL the White Walkers then you destroy all the Wights. That's likely the reason why we saw Walkers turning new born babies into new Walkers in the past. The only way they can keep commanding an ever expanding army of Wights is by maintaining the number of White Walkers.

Skydiver
August 28th, 2017, 06:10 PM
Right. My point is, if even one walker survives he'll just retreat to the north and wait it out, slowly getting an army. And since he's immortal he can wait generations.

Gen. Chris
August 28th, 2017, 07:51 PM
I'm assuming that the series will end with all the White Walkers dead. It would be too much of a loose end to leave them alone.

The first time they arrived was a world changing event so having them arrive again should just be the end of it.

Who Knows
August 28th, 2017, 09:38 PM
I'm assuming that the series will end with all the White Walkers dead. It would be too much of a loose end to leave them alone.

The first time they arrived was a world changing event so having them arrive again should just be the end of it.

But then, what if the twist in the tail is that the White Walkers actually win & kill everybody and the Night King becomes King Night King, first of his name, etc. and all the seven houses come back as wights?

fems
August 29th, 2017, 04:41 AM
But then, what if the twist in the tail is that the White Walkers actually win & kill everybody and the Night King becomes King Night King, first of his name, etc. and all the seven houses come back as wights?

In Cersei's words: for many it would be an improvement.

Skydiver
August 29th, 2017, 05:00 AM
THat would be one of the most unsatisfying endings ever

although the one character did say death always wins

maybe the wights and humans kill each other and the dragons survive to rule the world?

Gen. Chris
August 29th, 2017, 11:13 AM
Keep in mind that Essos and the other continents of the world (There's possibly four total) is pretty much safe unless NK gets ships. It wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world.

Essos is also very, very large so it would be difficult for the NK and his army to conquer them, especially the empires in the Far East. I imagine Asshai alone would be too depressing for the Night King to even go to lol.

fems
August 29th, 2017, 11:58 AM
Who says how far winter will go? Maybe ice will form and the wights and White Walkers will use it and stranded ships/debris to cross over.

Skydiver
August 29th, 2017, 12:23 PM
True. Just cause they cannot swim doesn't mean they can't freeze over the seas or get ice rafts.

SoulReaver
August 29th, 2017, 04:18 PM
killing a WW kills the undead he raised, but we still don't know if killing the NK kills the other WWs he sired (or just the undeads he raised)


anyway, questions

1- am I the only one who thinks Bran gave LF a warning & a chance to escape (a few episodes back)? :tealcanime49:

otherwise it's an underwhelming death: the master of well-kept secrets so skilled that only magic can defeat him, so *boom* let's bring in an magic omniscient boy to expose his secrets - basically a dirt cheap deus ex machina

2- if Sansa & Arya really meant to lay that trap for LF, what was the whole point of the scene where Arya threatens Sansa in the previous episode?
was it pretense? but then why didn't the camera show LF listening? so we have to assume he wasn't there & the whole convo was legit. so why the sudden U-turn in the next episode with Sansa siding with Arya? was it because Bran revealed LF's big secrets somewhere in episode 7 ? but then they'd have shown it onscreen

so, was Arya really threatening Sansa in episode 6 or not?

Skydiver
August 29th, 2017, 06:46 PM
It is a bit of a plot hole. Or were they playing the game all along? Because Arya certainly knows not to trust LF.

It's almost like an important scene was left out. Accidentally or deliberately to build suspense and not give away that they were in on the game. Because they certainly insinuated that Sansa was going to kill Arya. Yet they were both in on it.

Of course, all Sansa needed to do was ask Arya 'where did you get the note' and once she realized LF orchestrated it, she would know he was playing both sides against the other.

Did one of them go to Bran? Or did he see what was coming and call them both on the carpet?

SoulReaver
August 30th, 2017, 01:53 AM
plus even Sansa knew long ago not to trust LF (back in season 6 finale when he says he declares for house Stark & she says he tends to betray those he supports)

if LF hadn't given Sansa to the Boltons things would've been different maybe


BTW people saying Jon/Aegon has higher claim than Dany to the throne how's that so?

Aerys is Jon's father's father : 2 generations separate them
Aerys is Dany's father: only 1 generation separates them

so Dany is "closer" to Aerys wouldn't that give her still more legitimacy? :tealcanime49:
(much as Jon would be a better ruler of course)

fems
August 30th, 2017, 04:23 AM
Jon is the trueborn heir of the heir to the throne, Dany is the daughter of a king. That makes him second in line to the throne, before any siblings of the heir to the throne. Similar to say, Prince William of the UK being second-in-line rather than any of his uncles or aunt, and his son and daughter (since the law was changed to allow female succession shortly before the birth of his eldest) being third and fourth over PW's uncles or aunt or even his own brother.

SoulReaver
August 30th, 2017, 06:38 AM
so who's got the strongest claim Dany or Jon?

Skydiver
August 30th, 2017, 07:14 AM
Jon.

although it could be 50/50 really

Jon is male. He is the son of the king, so he's a prince. However he's the legitimate son of a secret marriage that was never officially acknowledged by the king. But he has support of the north.

Dany is female. She is the daughter of the king's brother. Her lineage is not in question. But shes' on her second marriage, she is the daughter of the 'mad king' so some would fear her succumbing to the family madness. She could also stand for chaos with her dragons and conquering, as well as executing heads of families. And she's leader of the Dothraki and other groups so some would fear her having too much power. ANd if she is the QUeen of the Iron Throne, they would also have to deal with her husband recognizing that he's not the king, he's just King Consort....he's Prince Phillip, powerless and subservient to his wife. (as lineage and ruling goes anyway)...so while her lineage is not in question she comes with a lot more baggage than Jon does.

(The whole royal lineage thing can be amusing. I remember reading a US news report saying if Megan Marple married Prince Harry she could be Princess of Wales and I'm like 'umm, no. Prince of Wales is the title for the immediate heir to the throne. Charles has it now. When Charles becomes king, William will be Prince of Wales, and when William adcends to the throne, George will be Prince of Wales, or if something horrible happens, Charlotte will be Princess of Wales. The only way Harry could ever be Prince of Wale is if William and his children all die. So Megan Marple will most likely, never be Princess of Wales)

But, as folks know, royal lineage passes from oldest to youngest sibling as long as they. dont' have children, but if they do have children, oldest sibling, his/her children, second oldest, his/her children, third oldest, his/her children, etc. Beatrice and Eugenia are like what? 10th or 11th or something like that? Because they have to run through Charles' children, then isn't his sister and her family next? then Andrew and his children.

P-90_177
August 30th, 2017, 07:55 AM
Jon.

although it could be 50/50 really

Jon is male. He is the son of the king, so he's a prince. However he's the legitimate son of a secret marriage that was never officially acknowledged by the king. But he has support of the north.

Dany is female. She is the daughter of the king's brother. Her lineage is not in question. But shes' on her second marriage, she is the daughter of the 'mad king' so some would fear her succumbing to the family madness. She could also stand for chaos with her dragons and conquering, as well as executing heads of families. And she's leader of the Dothraki and other groups so some would fear her having too much power. ANd if she is the QUeen of the Iron Throne, they would also have to deal with her husband recognizing that he's not the king, he's just King Consort....he's Prince Phillip, powerless and subservient to his wife. (as lineage and ruling goes anyway)...so while her lineage is not in question she comes with a lot more baggage than Jon does.

(The whole royal lineage thing can be amusing. I remember reading a US news report saying if Megan Marple married Prince Harry she could be Princess of Wales and I'm like 'umm, no. Prince of Wales is the title for the immediate heir to the throne. Charles has it now. When Charles becomes king, William will be Prince of Wales, and when William adcends to the throne, George will be Prince of Wales, or if something horrible happens, Charlotte will be Princess of Wales. The only way Harry could ever be Prince of Wale is if William and his children all die. So Megan Marple will most likely, never be Princess of Wales)

But, as folks know, royal lineage passes from oldest to youngest sibling as long as they. dont' have children, but if they do have children, oldest sibling, his/her children, second oldest, his/her children, third oldest, his/her children, etc. Beatrice and Eugenia are like what? 10th or 11th or something like that? Because they have to run through Charles' children, then isn't his sister and her family next? then Andrew and his children.

Slight correction there Sky. Jon is the son of Prince Rhaegar. Dany is the daughter of King Arerys. But regardless, Jon has the stronger claim for the reasoning you described. Even if the rebellion hadn't occurred and the Targaryens remained in power Jon would still be in line for the throne before Dany.

Skydiver
August 30th, 2017, 09:26 AM
Thanks. I get the names confused even before they started changing them

So she is the direct descendant but if Westeros recognizes male lineage not female lineage, he'd beat her with his gender...the rest is the rest.

Now him and her having a child would create an undeniable heir of the throne.

Which, as some speculate the couple will not survive. One of them may but not both. Well if they have a child and Dany dies in child birth, then Jon would be king and regent/guardian of the undisputed heir to the throne. (he'd just need to never have another child or make it clear that any other child is second behind his and Dany's....presuming they have one)

fems
August 30th, 2017, 09:51 AM
So she is the direct descendant but if Westeros recognizes male lineage not female lineage, he'd beat her with his gender...the rest is the rest.



Either way, offspring trumps sibling regardless of gender.

Skydiver
August 30th, 2017, 11:07 AM
Not always.

In the case of the British royal family, yes. BUt only when there's been no other choice, such as Elizabeth I and II and Victoria.

But in the case of the aristocracy, those titles pass to the next male heir. Which was the whole plot behind Downton Abbey, Robert had 3 daughters, his title was going to a male cousin (?) until that person died on the Titanic then it went to Matthew....an even more far flung male heir. The girls would have been at the mercy of whomever they married or if the new earl chose to let them live in the house.

I can't recall how things work in the Westeros world. If it is strictly male or if it is child, preferably male but female if there's not a male.

Teddybrown
August 30th, 2017, 12:51 PM
Interestingly, in all of Littlefingers scenes this season you can hear ravens in the background. Bran watching perhaps?

How would everyone rate this season?

SoulReaver
August 30th, 2017, 01:26 PM
Interestingly, in all of Littlefingers scenes this season you can hear ravens in the background. Bran watching perhaps?

How would everyone rate this season?btw now that LF's dead shouldn't they change the series' name?

it's no longer 'game of thrones' it's just 'thrones'. lol

(or maybe 'war of thrones')

Gen. Chris
August 30th, 2017, 03:16 PM
In the world of ASOIAF, Jon has the true claim. He would have had it over Viserys as well. Because Rhaegar was the Crown Prince so any of his heirs, even a bastard, would probably still have a better claim.

Keep in mind, in this world Targaryens are looked on with suspicion and hatred for the most part. So if the people had to "choose" they would probably back someone raised as a Stark sooner than Danaerys. It has (almost) nothing to do with gender in this case.

Who Knows
August 30th, 2017, 05:12 PM
btw now that LF's dead shouldn't they change the series' name?

it's no longer 'game of thrones' it's just 'thrones'. lol

(or maybe 'war of thrones')

I am sorry, I do not see why Littlefinger's death should make any difference to the title.
"in the game of thrones you win or you die" "You are playing a dangerous game and it could cost you your life if you get caught" are sayings that spring to mind. So the survivors are still playing a cat and mouse game with the Night King and his White Walkers

SoulReaver
August 31st, 2017, 05:32 AM
I am sorry, I do not see why Littlefinger's death should make any difference to the title.
"in the game of thrones you win or you die" "You are playing a dangerous game and it could cost you your life if you get caught" are sayings that spring to mind. So the survivors are still playing a cat and mouse game with the Night King and his White Walkers
you remember who those quotes are from? Cersei spoke the 1st one, the 2nd I'm not sure but this was all during the game period Cersei obviously wasn't talking about the night king she was talking politricks to Ned (who unlike Tyrion was no player/schemer)

LF's gone & the last bit of gaming with him; other players like Varys & Tyrion stopped long ago
the time for political intrigue is over now it's just fantasy & action & war till the end

there is no "cat & mouse" game with the walkers they just march south & kill everything
now if Cersei or Euron were to make some sort of deal with the night king (they're the only ones crazy enough to think of it at this point) things could get interesting but that's doubtful

Skydiver
August 31st, 2017, 05:55 AM
I think game still applies, simply because once they are done with this open battle the game will recommence.

Presuming anyone is still alive that wants to play.
ANd honestly, I see most of the survivors simply wanting to end playing and live their lives and will probably realize that the game itself is stupid.
The war will change their perspective. ALso, I'm thinking the population in general will be diminished enough that none of them have the armies to wage any war on each other or to play any game.

It'll be like post plague europe....they all just want to pick up the pieces and move on and it will be a generations or two before anyone wants to play the game again.

Looney
August 31st, 2017, 02:51 PM
Okay I guess it is time for Looney to chime in. So many questions and so many unanswered posts.

Tyrion - I believe someone asked earlier why Tyrion was lingering in the hall. I think A. he might be in love with Dany, but that is trumped by B. he thinks them having sex is a mistake.

Essos - And as far as Essos being safe from the Night King. Ummmm. . . .he has a dragon that flies and he can raise the dead. And as we have seen, a dragon can carry more than one person/White Walker.

Sansa and Arya - I don't think there was much pre-planning. I think Sansa just woke up when she played Littlefinger's game using him as the subject. She then came up with a plan to finally be rid of him. The real question is was that a satisfying enough death. I loved the scene, but I feel like there were other ways he could die - like say for instance flying through the Moon Door to the joy of a little boy who's mother he killed. I might have liked to see him returned by Lord Royce to the Vale so the Lord of The Vale could dispense justice. But it was VERY satisfying to see three Starks get to deliver his justice.

Jon and Dany - I hate the Dany and Jon thing. It seems WAY too much like it was done for the 'Soap Opera' of it. I certainly hope they don't continue. My guess is Jon is doomed after or as he defeats the Night King. Ask yourself what has been his purpose? Jon's purpose has always been to stop the Night King, not be a ruler. Dany's purpose has always been to be a ruler. I think he will learn the truth of his lineage and in the end want to keep it a secret until his death, especially considering what just happened. :o ;) Jon would have the stronger claim to the throne, which would make him a threat to Dany, but I honestly don't think he wants it and, as I said above, I think he won't survive Season 8.

How it all ends - Well I hope all of the White Walkers are defeated, but I think if they are planning prequels and sequels that won't happen. The reality of the show has always been that 'The Game of Thrones' means nothing because the real threat is the White Walkers. Remove them completely and the story just becomes the power struggle it has always been. What makes the show great is the audience has always known that the power struggle is just a Game ... of ...Thrones. :jack_new_anime18: With no overall looming threat it isn't as interesting and I don't think they can come up with a different overall threat to match and better the White Walkers.

So there is some off the top of my head stuff. I can't wait to get the Blu-Ray set and watch it again to look for what I missed.

SoulReaver
August 31st, 2017, 04:24 PM
Jon doesn't want to rule but sometimes that's what makes the best rulers

Littlefinger's death may have been justice but it was underwhelming & cheap (basically he was beaten by a Deus Ex Machina)

P-90_177
August 31st, 2017, 05:45 PM
Jon doesn't want to rule but sometimes that's what makes the best rulers

Littlefinger's death may have been justice but it was underwhelming & cheap (basically he was beaten by a Deus Ex Machina)

To me it was a bit sudden, but I wouldn't call it underwhelming. Littlefinger has played his game by setting houses, allies and families against each other. This was put to a close by the Starks who despite everything that has happened have proven to be unbreakable.
Thematically it makes sense too. Littlefinger epitomises the conflict around Westeros. He started the War between the Starks and Lannisters which led to the War of the Five Kings. But that all has to come to an end now if everyone is to survive.

Skydiver
August 31st, 2017, 07:26 PM
The other obvious fate would have been for him to survive to next season adn get walkerified. Which is a bit terrifying. Maybe the actor didn't want to be around for next season, especially if he only had a couple of episodes.

But, like you said they need to send the symbolic message of blood being thicker than water and families standing together. The way to win the game is not to play.

Tossing him out the moon door would be nice but likely added thousands to the cost along with a dangerous trip to the Aerie on winter roads. and it also affirmed Arya's skill and allowed Sansa to acknowledge her sister.

Gen. Chris
August 31st, 2017, 07:37 PM
Killing off Jon only to kill him again would be ridiculous. I doubt that is Martin's overall intention.

SoulReaver
September 1st, 2017, 03:35 AM
To me it was a bit sudden, but I wouldn't call it underwhelming. Littlefinger has played his game by setting houses, allies and families against each other. This was put to a close by the Starks who despite everything that has happened have proven to be unbreakable.
Thematically it makes sense too. Littlefinger epitomises the conflict around Westeros. He started the War between the Starks and Lannisters which led to the War of the Five Kings. But that all has to come to an end now if everyone is to survive.underwhelming in the sense it was cheap

basically the message is that LF is so skilled at keeping secrets that only magic can beat him
conveniently Sansa & Arya have a Bran Ex Machina (if not for him the truth would've never come out & Sansa would've had Arya imprisoned or banished)

Skydiver
September 1st, 2017, 04:55 AM
When all sansa had to do was ask arya where she got the message and, presuming LF hadn't killed him, used that other person to confirm that yeah, LF asked for the letter, not Arya

SoulReaver
September 1st, 2017, 07:37 AM
what about the real big one (betraying Ned Stark) and the other one (accomplice to Jon Aryn's assassination) not to mention who the original owner of the dagger (meant to kill Bran) those were the things that would've really pissed off Sansa & there was no way anyone could've found out about these things by conventional means

if Sansa had known only about the letter thing & nothing else then she'd still have been mad but not that much she'd probably have had LF banished

kingslayer
August 20th, 2018, 02:57 AM
I am waiting for season 8 so bad. The wait is excruciating.

SoulReaver
August 28th, 2018, 09:39 PM
a man must be patient