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GateWorld
August 17th, 2017, 08:17 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 706</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Jon Snow leads a ragtag team north of the wall in hopes of bringing back proof of the threat that the dead pose to the Seven Kingdoms -- but the group soon finds itself besieged by the Night King. In Winterfell, Littlefinger continues to press tensions between Sansa and Arya.</DIV>
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Skydiver
August 20th, 2017, 07:23 PM
holy frijoles that was intense.

On one hand, Sansa and Arya tension grows. And little finger's end game is revealed, to get rid of Brienne.

ANd the rest, ice zombies. So we now knows what can kill a dragon, the Ice King's lance. but we also know what can decimate ice zombies....not a surprise, a dragon.

the Dany and Jon romance.....well it seems to be progressing, and she sees that the 'stabbed in the heart' comment was factual.

BUt at the end....a zombie dragon????

Infinite-Possibilities
August 20th, 2017, 09:50 PM
I think people have been expecting one almost since dragons first appeared on the show.

Gen. Chris
August 20th, 2017, 11:49 PM
I think people have been expecting one almost since dragons first appeared on the show.

They have been rumored in some of the books. Legends of ice dragons in the far north of the world.

Skydiver
August 21st, 2017, 03:22 AM
I did almost laugh at BenJen...the season 1 plot device resurfaces.

SoulReaver
August 21st, 2017, 03:55 AM
with all those spoilers I reckon we all expected a dragon to fall & Viserion was the "ideal" choice being the smallest he's the runt of the litter, was named after Viserys also the runt sort of, basically Dany marked him for death by giving him that name ^^

now why didn't at least one of the dragons attack the white walkers & their king :tealcanime49:
could've ended it right there (unless Viserion was about to attack the walkers; it's not clear)


now dragons are supposed to be immune to fire but Viserion's no longer a dragon he's an undead ice-spewing creature so it's safe to assume he lost his resistance to fire?

Who Knows
August 21st, 2017, 05:23 AM
That was interesting. Sansa's confrontation with Arya. Arya can be scary, mysterious even, but she did give Sansa the dagger & showed she had no intention of harming her. So maybe they will watch eachothers backs, & with all those 'faces' I expect Arya to take care of Littlefinger.
Now what is on the agenda next for Dany & Jon? Try to get Cersei on side first, and then go chasing White Walkers, or go straight after the White Walker King before he gets any more dragons?
Where has Benjen been till now, & what has he been doing? (inquiring minds want to know) how did he manage to be in the right place at the right time?.

SoulReaver
August 21st, 2017, 07:35 AM
with all those 'faces' I expect Arya to take care of Littlefinger.Littlefinger's not exactly a veteran fighter so Arya doesn't need stealth to kill him

heck even a newbie like Meryn f* Trant could kill him easily lol

Teddybrown
August 21st, 2017, 09:45 AM
Called the dragon, but was a good episode.

Need to rewatch it. Some of the plot devices are getting a bit funny though...

Cant wait for next week, even though its going to be a long wait after...

SoulReaver
August 21st, 2017, 02:02 PM
Some of the plot devices are getting a bit funny though...apparently they bumped up the teleporting a notch

https://i.imgur.com/iPdU77t.jpg

Skydiver
August 21st, 2017, 07:15 PM
Where has Benjen been till now, & what has he been doing? (inquiring minds want to know) how did he manage to be in the right place at the right time?.

If I'm remembering right with benjen, he vanished beyond the wall years ago. I think it's been hinted that he was alive and surviving. Can't recall if that was only in the book or if it was also in the show. I haven't rewatched the dvds in a few years so my recollection is a bit foggy.

But the whole 'just in the nick of time to rescue jon then fall'....hence Uncle Plot Device. Out of the whole wilderness he pops up just then? After being gone for so long?

Gen. Chris
August 21st, 2017, 09:55 PM
Benjen (and his book counterpart) listen to the commands of the Three Eyed Raven. Bran is now the Three Eyed Raven. It's possible that Bran sent word to Benjen to watch over the expedition. I hope it is explained later.

Skydiver
August 22nd, 2017, 07:19 AM
Ah,that pesky raven.Cool.

So that is one aspect of the show that may line up with the books, BenJen's time and actions beyond the wall

Now we just need to get littlefinger out of winterfell

SoulReaver
August 22nd, 2017, 08:19 AM
I got the sense LF ain't going anywhere anytime soon

Bran can't control his new vision power ("do you know who this dagger belonged to?") so he's a potential but not certain threat to LF

HarrenHaller
August 22nd, 2017, 04:05 PM
Hi. I am a newbie here. :)

I just signed up today to this forum because I needed to find a group of hardcore GoT fans to help me sort out a Season 2 claim made by a friend of mine just two night ago while she and I were watching Episode 6. (BTW, she read the books, while I did not. So she definitely knows a lot more than I do about the whole GoT world.) She made a claim this past Sunday night about an allegedly important scene from HBO's GoT Season 2 which I honestly do not recall ever happening, and which multiple Google searches by me came up empty. (I am worried my friend is just silly in the head.)

Here's what happened.

She and I were watching Episode 6 together the other night (Sunday, August 20th), and at the end when Jon and Dany were talking on the ship heading back to Dragonstone, I made a comment about the lingering need for Jon Snow to show a White Walker to Cersei. There is no longer a need to capture a White Walker and show it to Dany because Dany has now seen with her own eyes. But they still need to convince Cersei.

But then my friend said "No, Cersei knows already." My friend went on to explain that back in Season 2, someone brought a severed White Walker hand to Cersei in King's Landing, and the hand was still animated, crawling, scratching, etc. I looked at my friend in complete surprise because I honestly did not recall such a scene. I said to her: "I recall Jaime's hand getting chopped off, and it was never recovered. And I also recall a severed animated hand crawling around in the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie. But I have no recollection of someone bringing a severed, animated zombie-ish hand to Cersei." She insisted it happened. So I said "Well then I'll scan YouTube for the exact film clip of that exact moment."

I went to YouTube the next day and searched for "Game of Thrones Hand" and "Game of Thrones Severed Hand" and so many other searches, and I came up with nothing. Can anyone help me? (Or was my friend getting her wires crossed the other night?)

Thanks! :)

-- HarrenHaller

Gen. Chris
August 22nd, 2017, 05:50 PM
In season 1 Jeor Mormont sent Aliser Thorne from the Wall towards King's Landing with the hand of one of the Wight's that attacked Mormont. It was a play to convince the crown that there WAS a major problem at the Wall and to send as many men as possible to man the wall (not necessarily take the black). Mormont also hoped that sending him would relieve some of the tension at the wall between Thorne and Jon, because Mormont was grooming Jon to be Lord Commander.

Thorne reached King's Landing but by the time he did the hand/arm had rotted too much (from being out of the cold) to really be of any use as evidence.

Skydiver
August 22nd, 2017, 07:02 PM
Which is why the wights are only a danger when winter comes. When it's summer they decompose too fast to be a real threat...just a skeleton too soon.

BUt when winter comes they can go further south and his army can grow larger because the dead last longer.

SoulReaver
August 23rd, 2017, 02:14 AM
Hi. I am a newbie here. :)

I just signed up today to this forum because I needed to find a group of hardcore GoT fans to help me sort out a Season 2 claim made by a friend of mine just two night ago while she and I were watching Episode 6. (BTW, she read the books, while I did not. So she definitely knows a lot more than I do about the whole GoT world.) She made a claim this past Sunday night about an allegedly important scene from HBO's GoT Season 2 which I honestly do not recall ever happening, and which multiple Google searches by me came up empty. (I am worried my friend is just silly in the head.)

Here's what happened.

She and I were watching Episode 6 together the other night (Sunday, August 20th), and at the end when Jon and Dany were talking on the ship heading back to Dragonstone, I made a comment about the lingering need for Jon Snow to show a White Walker to Cersei. There is no longer a need to capture a White Walker and show it to Dany because Dany has now seen with her own eyes. But they still need to convince Cersei.

But then my friend said "No, Cersei knows already." My friend went on to explain that back in Season 2, someone brought a severed White Walker hand to Cersei in King's Landing, and the hand was still animated, crawling, scratching, etc. I looked at my friend in complete surprise because I honestly did not recall such a scene. I said to her: "I recall Jaime's hand getting chopped off, and it was never recovered. And I also recall a severed animated hand crawling around in the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie. But I have no recollection of someone bringing a severed, animated zombie-ish hand to Cersei." She insisted it happened. So I said "Well then I'll scan YouTube for the exact film clip of that exact moment."

I went to YouTube the next day and searched for "Game of Thrones Hand" and "Game of Thrones Severed Hand" and so many other searches, and I came up with nothing. Can anyone help me? (Or was my friend getting her wires crossed the other night?)

Thanks! :)

-- HarrenHallerThorne taking the hand to KL is never shown onscreen but maybe it's mentioned somewhere in the script of one of the episodes

(since the hand was severed it had long since stopped twitching by the time he reached KL?)

HarrenHaller
August 23rd, 2017, 08:14 AM
In season 1 Jeor Mormont sent Aliser Thorne from the Wall towards King's Landing with the hand of one of the Wight's that attacked Mormont. It was a play to convince the crown that there WAS a major problem at the Wall and to send as many men as possible to man the wall (not necessarily take the black). Mormont also hoped that sending him would relieve some of the tension at the wall between Thorne and Jon, because Mormont was grooming Jon to be Lord Commander.

Thorne reached King's Landing but by the time he did the hand/arm had rotted too much (from being out of the cold) to really be of any use as evidence.

Thanks to everyone for clarifying. :) This post here in particular helped me do a more precise search in YouTube. I found this 2-minute video clip from (I think) Season 2. We see Jon Snow battle the lone White Walker, and then Ghost bites off the Walker's hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI



And then I found a scene from a fan compilation video of all of Ser Aliser's story line moments. There is a scene where Lord Mormont explains to Jon Snow that he has sent Ser Aliser to King's Landing with the hand that Jon Snow's wolf bit off of the White Walker. "The hand that your wolf tore off that thing's wrist, I've ordered Thorne to lay it at the feet of this boy king. That should get young Joffrey's attention, and it puts a thousand leagues between you and Thorne." I will post THAT video here, but be forewarned that this video compilation is 48 minutes long! The scene in question happens at 00:11:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvFXvvkb9f8

And then ... I tried to find the actual moment when Ser Aliser goes to King's Landing with the severed hand. As has been stated above it appears that story point was never an actual onscreen part of the TV series, only the books. (And my friend read the books while I did not.)


So .... My original assertion remains. Cersei STILL needs convincing!! :)

Skydiver
August 23rd, 2017, 09:37 AM
Which is why they were trying to take one back. To drop it at cersei's feet and say 'see, ice zombies are real'. But will they suceed and even if they do, will she believe it? She's the mad queen now. She is fetched in the head and a wee bit off her rocker and totally unpredictible.

Even if she happens to agree to help i can see her only doing it if Jon AND Dany bow the knee and admit that she is the ruler of them all. Or she may happily let Jon and Dany fight the wights and sit back to easily conquer what few survivors there are.

Her obsession is to rule. And even if she were to set it aside and join forces, her end game would still be to rule them all....and I would not put 'death on the battlefield' beyond her actions (aka murdering Jon and Dany then blaming it on the fog of war or have an assassin kill them for her)

fems
August 23rd, 2017, 10:42 AM
I think she'll agree, send a part of her troops to join Jon and Dany's army and then sneak in for the kill (on the battlefield) and use the remained of her troops to get Dragonstone and possibly Winterfell back while everyone else is fighting the wights and white walkers.

HarrenHaller
August 24th, 2017, 05:34 AM
I came upon a lot of fan theories yesterday, guys as I was researching this. I was especially focused on Uncle Benjen in my research. And then I developed my own fan theory. I am very late in the game coming up with a theory (millions of people have been theorizing every day for years now). So if greater minds than mine have already thunk this one up before me, I apologize for being slow. And if my theory is silly, by all means, let me know where the holes are to be found (I am at a disadvantage for trying to theorize since I have not read the books). Here's my hunch (and here below you will see me use a "spoiler formatting" I learned at a film web site years ago):
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It was 25 years ago that the Mad King was slain, and then Robert took over the throne. But when the Mad King's died, he took a very important State Secret to his grave with him. And either the new King Robert was never told about this important State Secret, or else when he was told, he disregarded it completely, and so now that very very VERY important secret project / secret practice / State Secret is no longer being carried out.

The deep dark secret is that ....

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... the White Walker and the First Men used to be at war many thousands of years ago. But a truce was called and peace negotiations were worked out. The Wall was part of the truce. And the true duty of the Night's Watch is actually two-fold. Only half of the Night's Watch's responsibilities is to keep the White Walkers to the far far North. The other half is that they act as agents of human sacrifice to the White Walkers.

A select few of the highest ranking Night's Watch officers (including Uncle Benjen Stark!) are these agents. They aid and abet the regular sacrifice of humans to the White Walkers. The original terms of the armistice fro thousands of years ago are that on a regular basis (like maybe once every year), the Realms of Men will send a batch of humans are are deemed "undesirables" to the Wall. They get shuttled through the Wall to be offered as human sacrifices to the White Walkers. The White Walkers do not "eat" these humans. Instead they "assimilate" them, like the Borg --much like the discarded baby boy sons of Craster from Craster's Keep. This arrangement is convenient for both the humans and the Walkers. The humans get to dispose of "undesirables" while the Walkers get to "procreate" via this Borg-style form of assimilation, because (as has been suggested) Walkers cannot actually procreate the way humans can. Walkers need either to copulate with humans to have half-human children by them, or else need to Borg-assimilate humans into White Walkers.

The human sacrifice terms of this truce have been honored for thousands of years. But when the Targaryen Dynasty came to an end, the human sacrifices stopped. (Once again, either Robert never knew, or else disregarded it as total nonsense.) The truce has been broken. The White Walkers are in danger of dying out now for lack of human fodder for their population. So they have no other choice but to go to war against the humans all over again.

Over the past 25 years since Robert's Rebellion, the White Walkers have been amassing their Army of the Dead, and they have also been awaiting a new winter to arrive. Now that Winter is here, they will march on the Realms of Men, conquer them and enslave them. The Walkers will also bring an endless winter with them, covering the whole world with a permanent Winter, enslaving all humans for their purposes. This will be the end of Men. Unless the Walkers can be stopped.


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