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GateWorld
July 7th, 2017, 12:23 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 701</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">With enemies on all sides Cersei looks for new allies in the battles to come, while Samwell seeks to gain access to the secrets of the maesters inside the Citadel. Jon and Sansa disagree about how to reunite the North, and Daenerys arrives at the Targaryen ancestral home of Dragonstone.</DIV>
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Teddybrown
July 17th, 2017, 01:22 AM
Pretty good start to the season. Quite a lot of setup for the next few episodes and a bit to speculate on too!

Who Knows
July 17th, 2017, 01:33 AM
Yes, sort of 'the calm before the storm'. The battle lines are being drawn, who is with whom.

I did not see Ayria's revenge coming, although as soon as I saw Waldo standing there, & giving away wine I guessed what was next. But I thought Aria had moved on straight after getting her revenge on Waldo.

Not sure what the hound, Beric & his cohorts place will be in all this. Good to see the hound has a vivid imagination, I saw nothing in the flames.

Bring on the next episode I say.

Skydiver
July 17th, 2017, 04:06 AM
I had an idea with arya just when Walter wouldn't drink and the line about 'all the Freys'
So good on her. seems she'll be the wild card for a while at least.

So we have bad zombies, wight walkers, good zombies, Clangor and his companions, the last of the Lannisters, the people of the North and Dany's folks

And Dany is sitting on top of a huge hoard of Dragonstone, which will be vital to stop the wight walkers, but Sam is the only one that knows that at the moment.

So it's very likely that it can come down to 'we fight amongst ourselves or we fight the wights'

I can see Dany and Jon seeing the bigger threat... Cersei.....well she's crackers so can't count on her for anything but chaos. I have a funny feeling Jamie may have to add fratricide to his list of 'accomplishments'

Teddybrown
July 17th, 2017, 08:39 AM
Yeah, I guessed Arya pretty early on. What do you guys think of the Ed Sheeran cameo?

Skydiver
July 17th, 2017, 09:13 AM
It fit. It was a cameo but not a 'center of attention let's put a useless scene around you' cameo

I did wonder about Arya stopping for the soldiers. Being the only woman surrounded b y that many men I'd be spooked. But either she got a vibe from them that she could trust them or she's confident enough in her abilities to protect herself. (or we'll get a very nasty surprise next week, but I didn't get that vibe from them so I don't think so)

fems
July 17th, 2017, 11:45 AM
I was a little surprised with the scene with 'Walder' and wondering if we were going back in time, before 'he' started speaking and I realized it was Arya. Have to say, I thought she was making them all drink Walder's blood and they'd spew it out before she'd kill them (somehow, maybe set the place on fire or something) but it was simply poisoned wine. I was expecting her to tell the girl that she was Arya Stark, but 'the North remembers' works too.

Sansa and little Lady Mormont had some great lines tonight. I agreed with Jon though about Sansa's interference. She made him look like an idiot and if she wants him to take her seriously, she should talk about such things before they go public with announcements. Also, while I understand her reasoning, his is smarter as those two families are bound to still have people who can fight for them and they need every body to fend off the white walkers. And if he removed the families and their people and put others in their place, then another place would be empty and they'd be down some bodies.

I was wondering when someone was going to tell Jon and Sansa that Bran is back, though. Was kinda expecting it. But if they do, would he be expected to become King of the North instead of Jon or they did choose Jon because of his work rather than his 'father'? And would Bran accept even as three-eyed raven?

I'm also still worried about the consequences of Bran crossing the wall after the Night's King touched him. For a moment I feared the wall would start cracking or something.

Skydiver
July 17th, 2017, 05:23 PM
I agree with Sansa. I know she must be sick and tired of being submissive or appearing that way, but she shoudl be smart enough to know yeah, true power isn't always obvious but just there. Her being equal to Jon will be real, but she can't disagree with him in public. HOneastly they shoudl have discussed how to handle things before the meeting.

I do agree with Jon, if they are to survive the winter they have to leg go of old issues and. move forward.

On the other hand, having been betrayed by so many, I can totally get Sansa's distrust and intolerance of betrayer.

As to Bran, well I'd wonder if having his 'sight' disqualifies him from being king, or being paralyzed and the impotence that usually entails would accomplish the same thing. He'd be a king with no heirs.
NOt to mention a particularly vulnerable king unable to defend himself.

SoulReaver
July 18th, 2017, 01:47 AM
"two good hands" Euron being Euron lol

Cersei & Euron was predictable but I imagined Cersei proposing to Euron not the other way

Who Knows
July 18th, 2017, 04:00 AM
Cersei & Euron was predictable but I imagined Cersei proposing to Euron not the other way

I do not know how Cersei feels about Jamie now, that is if she has 'feelings' for anybody but herself, but if Cersei did the proposing in front of Jamie she might be in trouble.
What she does when & if she is alone with Euron is unknown.

I am surprised that Jamie seems to still be in love with Cersei after all she has done, & the tyrant she has become.
If it was a case of "We will be king & Queen & share the Iron Throne (or even get a second one made so we have one each)" then maybe Jamie might be OK.

SoulReaver
July 18th, 2017, 05:05 AM
I do not know how Cersei feels about Jamie now, that is if she has 'feelings' for anybody but herself, but if Cersei did the proposing in front of Jamie she might be in trouble.
What she does when & if she is alone with Euron is unknown.

I am surprised that Jamie seems to still be in love with Cersei after all she has done, & the tyrant she has become.
If it was a case of "We will be king & Queen & share the Iron Throne (or even get a second one made so we have one each)" then maybe Jamie might be OK.won't be the first time Cersei marries for political reasons & Jaime knows it's all about politics

Gen. Chris
July 18th, 2017, 04:34 PM
I think jaime's love for her is waning, quickly.

I wouldn't be surprised if he adds Queenslayer to his title by the end of his season.

Skydiver
July 18th, 2017, 04:39 PM
I think also, she's his sister, as well as his lover, he's giving her the benefit of the doubt, looking through rose colored glassed.....in other words there may be a part of him that knows she's gone around the bend, there's still a part of him that isn't read to accept it. After all, other than Tyrion, she's all he has left.

SoulReaver
July 18th, 2017, 11:33 PM
very doubtful he'll kill her (I'd bet on Euron taking care of that)

on the other hand I can imagine Jaime reconciling with Tyrion

P-90_177
July 19th, 2017, 04:52 AM
Jaime is almost certainly going to kill her. Remember the prophecy. Jaime is the younger twin.

Anyway I agree with Chris that their love is waning fast. Jaime never wanted the Seven Kingdoms. Never even wanted Casterly Rock. He just wanted Cersei, but that's not all Cersei wants. She loves power more than anything else, and she doesn't accept that even though she's queen she currently holds very little.

Skydiver
July 19th, 2017, 09:32 AM
Getting power and keeping power are two different things. Sure she can try to keep it by force, but that way makes you more enemies and their allies are few and far between.

SHe will soon stand alone.

I can almost see Arya helping Cersei do a swan dive off the Red Keep or the general towers of the castle. Jamie would then claim the crown and he is smart enough to ally with Dany and Jon

although some have suggested that Dany is the true bad guy in all this, because she holds the power to kill the Wights. If she places power over compassion and sense, she can just let the wights kill everyone, THEN drive them back, having a relatively bloodless (on her hands anyway) coup

Of course she will be ruling an empty kingdom....so can she control/conquer the family insanity?

THat's what some of this seems to be, can members of a family rise above expectations to become or do what is needed, not what tradition demands?

P-90_177
July 19th, 2017, 10:14 AM
I hadn't imagined it before but I think that there is a strong possibility of a potential conflict between the North and Dany. If Sam sends word back about Dragonstone then it's the first place Jon will go, thinking that it is deserted as Stannis left it, only to find it defended by the Dragons.... oops.

Who Knows
July 19th, 2017, 04:57 PM
Yes, I think Jon will go to Dragonstone if he gets Sam's message (still have not worked out how these ravens know where to go every time) But finding Dany there, with her Dragons, and her army, I think he will try to talk to her about the problem & the pile of dragonglass she is sitting on.
Somewhere down the track Bran will catch up with Jon, and/or Dany & let him/her/them know they are family & should work together.
Jon, I think, is quite happy to be King in the North & does not want the iron throne for himself.

Everybody who gets the Iron Throne dies, so it is much better to be the power behind the throne, makes one less of a target.

SoulReaver
July 20th, 2017, 01:04 PM
Jaime is almost certainly going to kill her. Remember the prophecy. Jaime is the younger twin. I made a thread on this (basically the witch chose her words carefully she said "the valonqar" but she didn't specify whose valonqar it is)

P-90_177
July 22nd, 2017, 10:25 AM
Yes, I think Jon will go to Dragonstone if he gets Sam's message (still have not worked out how these ravens know where to go every time) But finding Dany there, with her Dragons, and her army, I think he will try to talk to her about the problem & the pile of dragonglass she is sitting on.
Somewhere down the track Bran will catch up with Jon, and/or Dany & let him/her/them know they are family & should work together.
Jon, I think, is quite happy to be King in the North & does not want the iron throne for himself.

Everybody who gets the Iron Throne dies, so it is much better to be the power behind the throne, makes one less of a target.

Ravens are intelligent birds. In theory you can teach them the same way you do messenger pigeons. But that being said they are also a little bit more... wilful. However the books also shed some light on the subject:

"It was the Children of the Forest who taught the First Men to send messages by raven... but in those days, the birds would speak the words. The trees remember, but men forget, and so now they write the messages on parchment and tie them round the feet of birds..."

In other words... It's a kind of magic. :P

Brother Freyr
July 23rd, 2017, 10:27 PM
Bit of trivia:
This is the only episode that begins with a scene instead of the title sequence.