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GateWorld
May 8th, 2017, 10:23 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 323</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Following a shocking loss Barry decides to do the one thing Savitar would never expect: help him recover his humanity. But when things go awry, Team Flash must rely on each other to survive a final showdown with the evil speedster.</DIV>
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garhkal
May 23rd, 2017, 10:43 PM
That was a twist i didn't see coming, that HR had mimiced Iris's face onto him and took her place.. Pity i actually LIKED HR..
I also liked how Cisco got saved by Gypsy (you idiot, we are linked!).. Didn't like the "we defeat him with love" crap.. BUT i did like him vibing into the armor then shattering it!

So any bets that within 3-4 eps in the new season he will be back??

Infinite-Possibilities
May 23rd, 2017, 11:54 PM
I couldn't help but feel Barry was extremely irresponsible. If he hadn't turned his back on Savitar and casually walked away from a guy he knew had superspeed and was dangerous, Iris wouldn't have been forced to shoot somebody. I don't know about you, but I would think that unnecessarily forcing your significant other kill somebody is being a bad fiance. All he had to do was pay attention to Savitar for a few more moments.

jelgate
May 24th, 2017, 05:55 AM
So any bets that within 3-4 eps in the new season he will be back??

The S4 premiere

Infinite-Possibilities
May 24th, 2017, 10:51 AM
Oh Wally should have no speed again, right? Because that how it should work now that Savitar never existed if we're following the stupid version of causality that the Arrowverse works on.

tomstone
May 24th, 2017, 11:15 AM
I dont understand the whole speedforce trap thing. That cant be how its supposed to be, after all its not like they freed something when they put him in there the first time. It was created for him, so why is it crucial to the speedforces balance?

Teddybrown
May 24th, 2017, 11:34 AM
HR dying Id guessed, but didnt see that ending coming.

I too believe this isnt the last we've seen of Barry Allen...

garhkal
May 24th, 2017, 08:32 PM
Oh Wally should have no speed again, right? Because that how it should work now that Savitar never existed if we're following the stupid version of causality that the Arrowverse works on.

That is a good question. WILL this erasure of Savatar from the timeline, mean he never existed to trap those who were his 'voices' and thus mean all those who GAINED powers from him (and the philosopher's stone) no longer have them>>


I dont understand the whole speedforce trap thing. That cant be how its supposed to be, after all its not like they freed something when they put him in there the first time. It was created for him, so why is it crucial to the speedforces balance?

No damn clue myself. You would think if savatar's erased, then the trap would also be gone..

Jeffer
May 25th, 2017, 05:31 AM
I figured it was HR last week the way he looked at the piece of Savitar's armor was pretty telling. I didn't see that ending coming tho. And it was awesome to see Jay back.

My best guess for the stuff Savitar did not getting erased is the same with Thawne he technically got erased but because he went back in time past the point of his own creation that stuff remained if he had went forward in time and did things those things would be erased but because he did that stuff in the past it stays.

And the speed force exists outside of normal space time. So when Barry created it even tho what he created it for is gone it still remained there.

Roach
May 26th, 2017, 08:07 AM
1. I liked how they tried to turn pizza face, and for a min I thought it would work. Kindof felt bad for him... But I'm a wuss, so... :)

2. I thought Barry agreed to go into the SF way too easily. Like he had to have a plan in the back of his mind already on how to get out of it or something. (Kindof like how Kyle agreed to go with the people pretending to be his real parents in Kyle XY.)

I don't really care for the way they deal with time travel. None of it makes any sense... Like the hunters or whatever they are called that only seem to care about time being changed when they are needed for the story. All other times it's not a problem. :shrugs:

Ian-S
May 26th, 2017, 11:48 AM
I dont understand the whole speedforce trap thing. That cant be how its supposed to be, after all its not like they freed something when they put him in there the first time. It was created for him, so why is it crucial to the speedforces balance?


Plot requirements lol


Oh Wally should have no speed again, right? Because that how it should work now that Savitar never existed if we're following the stupid version of causality that the Arrowverse works on.


In theory it shouldn't affect Wally because Savitar was killed, he wasn't erased from existence, as silly as their previous story about Wally loosing his speed because Barry had his mind wiped was, it's not the same scenario.

What is going to be more interesting is if the writers remember this plot in the future and have Barry create a time remnant to try and defeat a Savitar (perhaps the real Savitar from the comics) in a future season, have that remnant be burnt and then shunned by the rest of Team Flash and then disappear without a trace so as to tie back to this storyline, or whether they'll just forget this storyline exists come 2018. That is the kind of story you write now and put in the can for a later season, perhaps one of your last, to bookend the series, like what Eureka did with their final episode.

I saw the whole plot coming a mile off unfortunately, apart from the reason for him going into the speedforce at the end, I though that would be as punishment for his continued meddling in the timeline, not to use him as a cork.

Infinite-Possibilities
May 26th, 2017, 12:57 PM
But Savitar vanished into nothingness the same way Thawne did. Either he was erased from existence or that was sure an kind of unbelievable gun that Iris shot him with.

Jeffer
May 26th, 2017, 01:46 PM
But Savitar vanished into nothingness the same way Thawne did. Either he was erased from existence or that was sure an kind of unbelievable gun that Iris shot him with.

Yes but thawns actions before he was erased still happend I.e. Barry's mom getting killed

Infinite-Possibilities
May 26th, 2017, 09:02 PM
Savitar's actions before getting amnesia also still happened, but Wally still nonsensically lost his speed.

Jeffer
May 27th, 2017, 03:11 AM
Savitar's actions before getting amnesia also still happened, but Wally still nonsensically lost his speed.

Yeah I agree that that doesn't make sense. Just because he didn't remember doing it doesn't mean he didn't.

garhkal
May 28th, 2017, 10:39 PM
It's.. Plot holium..

Linda06
May 31st, 2017, 08:09 AM
Dammit, what a cop-out. I really thought Iris was dead. That sucks

Harrison Wells: these are good people. Really? His idea of good people and mine are a little different. Good people don't risk time itself to save one person, don't sacrifice one life for another. Supergirl is a hero (spoiler for Supergirl finale) she sacrificed the one she loved to save Earth and everyone on it. Barry would sacrifice time itself to save the one he loves

And now Barry has become stupid *facepalm*

jelgate
May 31st, 2017, 09:29 AM
It's a different plot. Savitar was never after destroying the whole city. It was always more personal

Infinite-Possibilities
May 31st, 2017, 10:35 AM
Dammit, what a cop-out. I really thought Iris was dead. That sucks

Harrison Wells: these are good people. Really? His idea of good people and mine are a little different. Good people don't risk time itself to save one person, don't sacrifice one life for another. Supergirl is a hero (spoiler for Supergirl finale) she sacrificed the one she loved to save Earth and everyone on it. Barry would sacrifice time itself to save the one he loves

And now Barry has become stupid *facepalm*

You really thought they were going to kill off the main character's love interest?

Well, far be it from me to defend all the bad decisions Barry has made but he did give up his life (or something to that effect) to stop the Speed Force from destroying the city.

Plus, Supergirl didn't actually kill Mon-El to save the city. He just had to leave the planet.

garhkal
May 31st, 2017, 12:15 PM
Well, far be it from me to defend all the bad decisions Barry has made but he did give up his life (or something to that effect) to stop the Speed Force from destroying the city.


But that wouldn't have been necessary if he had not created flash point, kept time traveling even AFTER being warned not to by several people (inc the speed force) AND making that prison..

jelgate
May 31st, 2017, 12:32 PM
I believe that was after Flashpoint though

Infinite-Possibilities
May 31st, 2017, 09:57 PM
But that wouldn't have been necessary if he had not created flash point, kept time traveling even AFTER being warned not to by several people (inc the speed force) AND making that prison..

Well yeah, that goes back to those bad decisions that I won't defend. In fact, I thought it was BS that Cisco, Diggle and the others forgave him for it all afterward (or at least so easily). But I was talking just in terms of what he was willing to sacrifice afterward compared to Supergirl.

Linda06
June 1st, 2017, 09:05 AM
You really thought they were going to kill off the main character's love interest?

Well, far be it from me to defend all the bad decisions Barry has made but he did give up his life (or something to that effect) to stop the Speed Force from destroying the city.

Plus, Supergirl didn't actually kill Mon-El to save the city. He just had to leave the planet.

Well I had hope she'd die. No such luck though *shrugs*

You mean he paid the price for screwing everything up in the first place. If he didn't mess with the timeline none of this would have happened, and to make matters worse the more he tried to fix it the bigger the mess he made. And H.R. paid with his life because of Barry's mistakes. He was told not to time travel numerous times, he even said he wouldn't time travel. We saw how long that lasted when he went back to get Snart. Totally disregarding what could happen if Snart got killed or something else happening. He could have irreversibly damaged time itself. He just didn't care about anything else other than saving Iris

And Supergirlthat thing with the pod seemed like an afterthought to me, I don't know if the writers intended it that way or if it was poorly written. But at the time she didn't seem to think of the pod till later. She was ready to sacrifice him to save billions of people and that's the difference between Kara and Barry

jelgate
June 1st, 2017, 10:13 AM
It's like Oliver said, we are not gods. We make mistakes with the best of intentions. And our mistakes have consequences. Talk to a first responder or a military leader. They have to make decisions all the time that could affect other people's lives. It's not that he doesn't care but as the future shows us, Iris's death affected more than one person

garhkal
June 1st, 2017, 02:11 PM
Well I had hope she'd die. No such luck though *shrugs*

You mean he paid the price for screwing everything up in the first place. If he didn't mess with the timeline none of this would have happened, and to make matters worse the more he tried to fix it the bigger the mess he made. And H.R. paid with his life because of Barry's mistakes. He was told not to time travel numerous times, he even said he wouldn't time travel. We saw how long that lasted when he went back to get Snart. Totally disregarding what could happen if Snart got killed or something else happening. He could have irreversibly damaged time itself. He just didn't care about anything else other than saving Iris


I agree. I would have actually LOVED it had it actually been Iris, not JR in disguise who got killed. That way he would have a personal stake in the ramifications of his own idiocy..


It's like Oliver said, we are not gods. We make mistakes with the best of intentions. And our mistakes have consequences. Talk to a first responder or a military leader. They have to make decisions all the time that could affect other people's lives. It's not that he doesn't care but as the future shows us, Iris's death affected more than one person

True, people make mistakes. BUT its pure idiocy or ego, when someone KEEPS making the same mistake over and over, AFTER already seeing that doing so has negative ramifications, AND MAKING a promise to not do so again, but continuing to do so, just 'cause its his loved one in jeopardy'...

jelgate
June 1st, 2017, 05:33 PM
The future shows us that ultimately Iris death is bigger than one life

Mrja84
August 25th, 2017, 11:37 AM
Only because the writers wrote it that way. How they can write Barry being wrong all the time, but still being written as a hero. They are just not making a living breathing world. The cast are toys being played with by a kid with no idea what consistency is.

jelgate
August 25th, 2017, 06:00 PM
Because it's more realistic. Even people who try to do the right thing screw up more times then they succeed