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GateWorld
May 8th, 2017, 10:06 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 222</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">After Rhea pits Kara against Superman himself, she takes the only option she can see: challenging the alien queen to single combat to save the planet. When the Luthers offer a deadly back-up plan, Supergirl faces the possibility that her future with Mon-El may be the price of saving her world.</DIV>
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garhkal
May 22nd, 2017, 10:37 PM
Nice ending.
Supe vs supe.. Really LIKED the battle, but HATED the explaination given for WHY clarke was under Rhea's spell (Silver kryptonite, really??)
Loved the quips between Cat and kara about "tell supergirl to get on olson about his guardian role.. "
AND loved her quip to herself at the end "You go get em, supergirl".. SO SHE does know but is ok keeping it a secret.

Really hated that Mon-el had to leave like that, but was surprised that Kara actually pushed the button.. Especially as we've seen time and time again when it comes to family/loved ones, they often WILL not do the RIGHT thing.

And yet another 'escape pod with a baby in' really???/

Starsaber
May 23rd, 2017, 07:31 AM
Nice ending.
Supe vs supe.. Really LIKED the battle, but HATED the explaination given for WHY clarke was under Rhea's spell (Silver kryptonite, really??)


Not the first time silver kryptonite has been used. In Smallville, Brainiac used it to make Clark paranoid. And as they kept mentioning, Daxam was in the same system, so it makes sense that a lot (relatively speaking) of chunks of Krypton would have ended up there.

Linda06
May 23rd, 2017, 12:35 PM
I thought they said we were to get our hankies ready? For what exactly?

Thank you mummy Luthor and Lena for making that Lead contraption :D I would pardon Lillian for all crimes just for this alone :D Lena getting one over on her mum is always good to see :lol: Liked seeing Winn and Lena working together again. Would like to see them interact more and be all nerdy.

How come Kara is stronger than Clark? I'm not sure how Kryptonians work but I would have thought maybe Clark would have been stronger with him being on Earth longer and soaking up the rays of the yellow sun longer and also fighting as a super much longer too. And I thought Daxamites couldn't fly, just leap really really far.

They could have done without the bit at the end with Alex and Maggie, seemed like they just shoved it in there last minute to fill up space.

Well bye bye Mon-El :D Now maybe just keep Kara single for a while instead of having every guy that looks at her fall for her, or if you want to give her a love interest maybe go for someone that actually trusts and respects her and listens to what she says that would be great.

Oh how did the kryptonite get into the bloodstream? And does it have to be visible for it to have an affect?

Oh and what's the story with the baby at the end?

garhkal
May 23rd, 2017, 01:10 PM
They could have done without the bit at the end with Alex and Maggie, seemed like they just shoved it in there last minute to fill up space.

AND yet again, NO mention of any ramifications coming Alex's way for REFUSING to fire when she was ordered to do so, giving the Daximites time to shoot up the gun...

Annoyed
May 23rd, 2017, 01:52 PM
AND loved her quip to herself at the end "You go get em, supergirl".. SO SHE does know but is ok keeping it a secret.
That's twice I've missed something at the end of this show 'cause when they start the relationship crap I head for the kitchen.

Linda06
May 23rd, 2017, 02:14 PM
AND yet again, NO mention of any ramifications coming Alex's way for REFUSING to fire when she was ordered to do so, giving the Daximites time to shoot up the gun...

Oh yeah, no ramifications for refusing to obey the president herself. So they can pretty much do what they want without any repercussions

jelgate
May 23rd, 2017, 03:38 PM
I thought they said we were to get our hankies ready? For what exactly?

Thank you mummy Luthor and Lena for making that Lead contraption :D I would pardon Lillian for all crimes just for this alone :D Lena getting one over on her mum is always good to see :lol: Liked seeing Winn and Lena working together again. Would like to see them interact more and be all nerdy.

How come Kara is stronger than Clark? I'm not sure how Kryptonians work but I would have thought maybe Clark would have been stronger with him being on Earth longer and soaking up the rays of the yellow sun longer and also fighting as a super much longer too. And I thought Daxamites couldn't fly, just leap really really far.

They could have done without the bit at the end with Alex and Maggie, seemed like they just shoved it in there last minute to fill up space.

Well bye bye Mon-El :D Now maybe just keep Kara single for a while instead of having every guy that looks at her fall for her, or if you want to give her a love interest maybe go for someone that actually trusts and respects her and listens to what she says that would be great.

Oh how did the kryptonite get into the bloodstream? And does it have to be visible for it to have an affect?

Oh and what's the story with the baby at the end?

Not everyone has such a blind hate for Mon-El. I actually thought it was a little sad as their was a sacrifice to save the planet

Linda06
May 23rd, 2017, 04:03 PM
Not everyone has such a blind hate for Mon-El. I actually thought it was a little sad as their was a sacrifice to save the planet

I hate the way they wrote him, with no redeeming qualities, I also dislike the way they started writing Maggie and even James. For some weird reason I think the writing is much poorer in season 2 than it was in season 1

jelgate
May 23rd, 2017, 04:10 PM
I've been here for almost a decade. I am well versed with fans like you who passionately hate a character matter what

Linda06
May 23rd, 2017, 10:56 PM
If Kara has to be with someone I'd hope it was someone who respected her and trusted her and not treated here like a damsel needing to be saved, who would also respect her as Supergirl

garhkal
May 23rd, 2017, 11:48 PM
Oh yeah, no ramifications for refusing to obey the president herself. So they can pretty much do what they want without any repercussions

Now i know Jon didn't know of that as he was comatose for it all, but you would think the OTHERS would know about it..

Linda06
May 24th, 2017, 01:44 AM
After the lead got released the Daxamite soldiers got beamed back up to the ships. Why didn't they beam up Rhea? And why did it take longer for t to hsve an affect on Mon-El? Was it because he was under the yellow sun for longer? Also wouldn't the lead have some kind of effect on humans? Will the lead eventually dissipate or is it in the atmosphere for good?

As much as I dislike Mon-El, Kara had to sacrifice him to save earth. I would have thought the last thing she'd want to hear is how proud they all are of her. The man she loved had to leave Earth with maybe no possibility of ever returning, If it was me I wouldn't want to be hearing that from everyone. Then Maggie telling Alex she'll be okay or something along those lines. Maybe in time she will but right now she's hurting badly and she needs support. Not people telying her she done the right thing

Annoyed
May 24th, 2017, 04:26 AM
After the lead got released the Daxamite soldiers got beamed back up to the ships. Why didn't they beam up Rhea? And why did it take longer for t to hsve an affect on Mon-El? Was it because he was under the yellow sun for longer? Also wouldn't the lead have some kind of effect on humans? Will the lead eventually dissipate or is it in the atmosphere for good?
I rather suspect they are going to be fighting with their version of the EPA for quite some time. :D

Linda06
May 24th, 2017, 04:44 AM
I rather suspect they are going to be fighting with their version of the EPA for quite some time. :D

Uh what's EPA?

I'd like to see Lena /Winn working together more

jelgate
May 24th, 2017, 05:39 AM
If Kara has to be with someone I'd hope it was someone who respected her and trusted her and not treated here like a damsel needing to be saved, who would also respect her as Supergirl

What show are you watching? He wouldn't make the sacrifices he made if he didn't respect her

Starsaber
May 24th, 2017, 09:22 AM
After the lead got released the Daxamite soldiers got beamed back up to the ships. Why didn't they beam up Rhea? And why did it take longer for t to hsve an affect on Mon-El? Was it because he was under the yellow sun for longer? Also wouldn't the lead have some kind of effect on humans? Will the lead eventually dissipate or is it in the atmosphere for good?


They specifically said it was too low a concentration to effect humans and that Mon-El would be able to last longer because of the yellow sun, but I'm not sure about why Rhea stayed behind.

Linda06
May 24th, 2017, 11:01 AM
What show are you watching? He wouldn't make the sacrifices he made if he didn't respect her

The only sacrifice he made was right at the end when they had to release the lead. Every other time his first thought was to run


They specifically said it was too low a concentration to effect humans and that Mon-El would be able to last longer because of the yellow sun, but I'm not sure about why Rhea stayed behind.

Ah right, there was so much going on I didn't catch some things. I figured he lasted longer because of the length of time he's been on Earth compared to the others. Rhea staying behind was kinda odd.

But at least Mon-El is gone, that pleases me :D and there will be some angsty Kara for a while.

Who is that baby at the end of the ep?

jelgate
May 24th, 2017, 11:19 AM
That's BS. At the beginning yes but Mon-El hasn't been a coward at all in the back half.

garhkal
May 24th, 2017, 11:27 AM
I rather suspect they are going to be fighting with their version of the EPA for quite some time. :D

Well being we have not seen any evidence of repremands for all the other things they have done illegal (IMO) what makes you think they will fear anything the EPA does/says>?

Starsaber
May 24th, 2017, 12:46 PM
Well being we have not seen any evidence of repremands for all the other things they have done illegal (IMO) what makes you think they will fear anything the EPA does/says>?

Especially since Lillian, the head of a terrorist organization, claimed responsibility. The EPA probably won't be able to find her.

Annoyed
May 24th, 2017, 02:24 PM
Uh what's EPA?
A U.S. federal level regulatory agency, charged with creating laws that protect the environment. They would have a field day going after something that spews lead, known to be quite harmful in the atmosphere.

Linda06
May 25th, 2017, 01:41 AM
A U.S. federal level regulatory agency, charged with creating laws that protect the environment. They would have a field day going after something that spews lead, known to be quite harmful in the atmosphere.

Thanks. I'm not from the U.S. so not familiar with some of the organisations

At least the Mon-El thing is a mute point now that he's gone, thankfully

jelgate
May 25th, 2017, 05:56 AM
For now. Nothing has been sad about how long and if it's permanent

Gatefan1976
May 26th, 2017, 09:57 PM
What I want to know is, who let the SuperGirl team raid the StarGate prop room, cause those daxamites were using Ma'Toks.............

jelgate
May 27th, 2017, 08:53 AM
A wizard did it

Linda06
May 28th, 2017, 04:12 AM
Well he can't return to earth now it's toxic for Daximites

jelgate
May 28th, 2017, 05:53 AM
You assume their is no way to fix that

pjt
May 28th, 2017, 11:51 AM
That's BS. At the beginning yes but Mon-El hasn't been a coward at all in the back half.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but Mon-El listened to what Kara wished only twice: when she told him to get of the ship, and when she told him to get off the planet. Usually he dismissed her wishes since she's a woman.

pjt
May 28th, 2017, 12:12 PM
Well he can't return to earth now it's toxic for Daximites


You assume their is no way to fix that

I think the writer's seriously mucked up Manuel's redemption arc. To me it just didn't feel sincere. One episode he'd just been his misogynistic self, and "two seconds later" [apply French accent] he's a changed man.

Not to me. To me he didn't seem less of a self centered misogynist he was before, he just accepted Kara for being stronger than him. And even that took him a lot of persuading to accept that.

So there are enough people who dislike his character, so the methods of de-leading the atmosphere will basically depend on the dislike of his character. (Even if CW the Prince of CW can be in any show he wants)

jelgate
May 28th, 2017, 02:34 PM
I think you are falling for the trap of thinking fans opinion matter in a TV show. My time on the Stargate board proves that is not true

pjt
May 28th, 2017, 11:04 PM
I think you are falling for the trap of thinking fans opinion matter in a TV show. My time on the Stargate board proves that is not true

I don't know who do you speak of in Stargate, or which Stargate show, but there were other shows where this did happen. Like Nikki and Paulo who were introduced in Lost, people hated them, so they were killed off. Or Felicity Smoak on Arrow who was so well received, first by the producers and then by the fans, that she became first recurring then a regular.

So it does happen. Also not even the actors like Mon-El, not even CW if the rumors are true. (There was a convention the other day when they asked Mehcad Brooks what he thinks of Mon-El's back story, and his microphone suddenly lost power.)

Finally the comics, that Supergirl is based on has a character Mon-El who
gets lead poisoning, the put in the Phantom Zone, until the 30th century when he joins the Legion of Super-Heroes.

which means the writers/producers can decide if they want to bring him back. And if they do, it won't be because the general audience wants him, but because Chris Wood has obviously something over the CW execs* :D


*Don't get me wrong, he is a nice guy, he was great in the Vampire Diaries, but he is practically in every CW show ;)

jelgate
May 29th, 2017, 05:30 AM
It's called experience. I have been here a long time?. I can't speak for Lost but I know she didn't go from guest character to regular because of fan reaction. Networks use more statstical reliable methods. Pooling a bunch of fanboys and fangirls from the Internet or even a convention is skewed to say the least

pjt
May 29th, 2017, 05:49 AM
but I know she didn't go from guest character to regular because of fan reaction
Then Berlanti must have lied.


Pooling a bunch of fanboys and fangirls from the Internet or even a convention is skewed to say the least
There are more reliable ways to poll the GA about characters and the show. And Mon-El is conflicting at best. I don't know if the advanced screening was "fanboys and fangirls" only, but their reaction was quite explicit.
Other than the "Karamel" shippers on Twitter I didn't see a lot of people praising his character. I must be moving in the wrong circles then.

Linda06
May 31st, 2017, 08:51 AM
I hope they don't find a way to fix it. He's a terribly written character and I don't want to spend another season watching him.

Also he never acted like any kind of hero. He pretty much done nothing to stop what was happening. His first instincts were to run. He hardly ever listened to Kara. It took Supergirl to stop the invasion after Mon-El had multiples opportunities to stop it

jelgate
May 31st, 2017, 10:27 AM
Also he never acted like any kind of hero. He pretty much done nothing to stop what was happening. His first instincts were to run. He hardly ever listened to Kara. It took Supergirl to stop the invasion after Mon-El had multiples opportunities to stop it

That made no sense when you first said it. It still makes no sense