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GateWorld
April 14th, 2017, 09:50 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="500" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/the-flash/s3/i-know-who-you-are/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/i-know-who-you-are-300x225.jpg" WIDTH="225" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">THE FLASH - SEASON THREE</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 320</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The team seeks to recruit speed force scientist Tracy Brand to their cause, knowing that in the future she will find a way to trap Savitar. While Joe weighs his future with Cecile, Barry unmasks the truth of his enemy's identity.</DIV>
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tomstone
May 3rd, 2017, 05:46 AM
Uhm, what the heck is going on? Is that a Future future Barry or how is this possible?

Ian-S
May 3rd, 2017, 10:40 AM
I rather gather they are trying to imply he went insane after present Barry met future Barry in 2024, a kind of self fulfilling prophecy, remember the newspaper article mentioning missing Flash is dated a few weeks AFTER the events of episode 19 so is not referencing hobo future Barry hiding in Star Labs watching holograms but what happened after present Barry's visit.

Part of me hopes they're pulling a fast one and Savatar is actually Barry's son or there is some other warped twist, because I can't for the life in me ever see anybody considering travelling through time to kill the love of their life as being a solution to their problem when they know full well that the death of said loved one is the very event that started them off down the insanity path..... but I suspect that's to much work for them to actually try and explain logically so send Barry insane and send him back to kill Iris is the logical storyline they've phoned in instead.

Teddybrown
May 3rd, 2017, 11:08 AM
Wait, what??? Haha, I thought we had all worked that out anyway...

Infinite-Possibilities
May 3rd, 2017, 11:17 AM
I have a feeling there's going to be some nonsensical paradox in this season's story, even though once again it would be inconsistent with the rules of how time travel works in the show, which would make it inconsistent even with the beginning of this season.

I mean, Savitar remembering how things played out and therefore knowing what Barry would do already doesn't make sense, because he's now changing how they play out. Presumably things are already different because Barry knows who he is while his other future self did not. Thinking back, I don't think they've ever bothered to actually try and make sure any of their big bads' stories ever fully made sense.

garhkal
May 3rd, 2017, 11:53 AM
Uhm, what the heck is going on? Is that a Future future Barry or how is this possible?

I think he is.. Remember back in S1 when Eobard had that time vault we kept seeing "FLASH DISAPPEARS" as the headline on that news paper from 2040 or so.. SO maybe some villan Trapped him using what's her names formula. And eventually he became savatar from being trapped there...

Maj. Tahn
May 3rd, 2017, 02:57 PM
I think Savitar is one of Barry's time remnants that somehow didn't die. The time remnant's memories would end at the time point Bar created it at. He needs the suit to contain his energy. Without it, he would disipate. This is why Savitar says YOU took everthing away from me.

Infinite-Possibilities
May 3rd, 2017, 03:58 PM
The more I thought about this, the less sense it makes. The reason that Killer Frost kidnapped Joe's girlfriend was so she could kill the doctor, which itself was something she tried to do because Savitar told her to. She has no interest in Tracy Brand otherwise.

The entire confrontation only happened because Savitar caused caused it to happen, so how could he remember living through it as Barry if it was only created by his time traveling interference?

Jeffer
May 3rd, 2017, 04:24 PM
Is this a different time line Barry it's really the only explanation. Why would he want to kill Iris tho the is so confusing.

Infinite-Possibilities
May 3rd, 2017, 05:04 PM
Presumably the implication is that Iris' loss eventually turned him into Savitar, so he wants to kill her to make sure that he comes to exist. The problem is that it doesn't explain how he became Savitar the first time, unless history is immutable, which we know it isn't.

tomstone
May 3rd, 2017, 05:50 PM
Presumably the implication is that Iris' loss eventually turned him into Savitar, so he wants to kill her to make sure that he comes to exist. The problem is that it doesn't explain how he became Savitar the first time, unless history is immutable, which we know it isn't.

Okay, so we are apparently in Time Travel paradox hell. Then there is only enjoying the story and not even bothering with how this is possible.

It certainly was a nice finale and I was fevering for Cisco every time he went against Killer Frost and freezed. He could have lost his hands then and there, but I guess it happened somewhere in the Woods in a flashback if I am not wrong.

Jeffer
May 3rd, 2017, 06:03 PM
Is this maybe earth 2 Barry? Did earth 2 Iris die or just Joe? If it was Iris maybe this is revenge eye for an eye type of thing. I really hope they do a good job explaining it before the end of the season

Infinite-Possibilities
May 3rd, 2017, 07:35 PM
If it was Earth 2 Barry, then why would he know or care about Earth 1 history? Also Earth 2 Iris didn't die and Earth 2 Barry doesn't have speed.

garhkal
May 3rd, 2017, 10:29 PM
The more I thought about this, the less sense it makes. The reason that Killer Frost kidnapped Joe's girlfriend was so she could kill the doctor, was because Savitar told her to. She has no interest in Tracy Brand otherwise.


And in the College scene. WHY DIDN'T barry just speed up to Frost and KO her, rather than running to that bunsen burner thinggy, kick it in and snap his fingers? which imo would hve taken LONGER than jsut a quick straight line KO punch would have..

Infinite-Possibilities
May 4th, 2017, 12:21 AM
If you stopped to complain about everytime a speedster in the Arrowverse didn't use their superspeed to easily solve a problem they should have been able to, you'd never finish an episode of either show they were in.

It happened so many times in this episode alone, from both Savitar and Barry. I'm mostly just numb to it now.

Jeffer
May 4th, 2017, 01:06 AM
If it was Earth 2 Barry, then why would he know or care about Earth 1 history? Also Earth 2 Iris didn't die and Earth 2 Barry doesn't have speed.

He could have gotten speed somehow if Iris died maybe he started to research it but since she didn't die it kills that theory

tomstone
May 4th, 2017, 02:30 AM
He could have gotten speed somehow if Iris died maybe he started to research it but since she didn't die it kills that theory

Well, it seems like they are going the "all of this already happend" route. So an alternate timeline and whatnot should be out of the question. Again, Paradox Hell.

Ian-S
May 4th, 2017, 04:36 AM
Glad I'm not the only one thinking wtf?

I wish they'd just stick to the Grandfather paradox and be done with it, or use the Back to the Future / Continuum solution to it all (even though the former broke the Grandfather Paradox in Season 1, it was still a better time travel story than most).

Jeffer
May 4th, 2017, 08:40 AM
Not sure they would do this but H.R. has that device that can change your face

Ian-S
May 4th, 2017, 04:56 PM
That's what I mean by "twist", something like that, but I suspect they are going to explain this away as a time remnant or simply hoboBarry turned into crazyBarry.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 9th, 2017, 12:27 PM
Have Killer Frost and Savitar been watching The Incredibles?

Teddybrown
May 10th, 2017, 02:15 PM
have killer frost and savitar been watching the incredibles?

:d (meant to be the grinning face...)

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 11th, 2017, 10:49 AM
:D (meant to be the grinning face...)

When she started gliding around the city on the ice all I could think of was The Incredibles. It's so similar it has to be based on it..

jelgate
May 11th, 2017, 03:30 PM
I was thinking of Iceman from the X-Men

Ian-S
May 12th, 2017, 10:18 AM
I was thinking it would make a great theme for a rollercoaster.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 12th, 2017, 01:18 PM
I was thinking of Iceman from the X-Men

:eek:!!

..So they all do it...